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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Legion on April 09, 2012, 10:24:05 PM
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If McLeish were to go or get the push before the end of the season (and I personally believe neither scenario will happen), who would you like to see in the hot-seat and why? Or who do you think the Board would appoint?
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Neither here or there who I would like, but I reckon the fuckwits in charge would go for Mick McCarthy or Alan Curbishley.
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They'd probably ask Mac, Sid and Tony to look after it.
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I would like to see a director of football to take over all larger footballing matters with Faulkner concentrating on business only and Brendan Rodgers or Paul Lambert appointed manager. Maybe Andre Villas Boas.
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They'd probably ask Mac, Sid and Tony to look after it.
If it happened before the end of the season (which it wouldn't) then I don't really see there would be any alternative to the above.
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If my Aunty had bollocks etc etc etc
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Lambert or Rodgers. Lambert probably has the edge because Aston Villa fans, in my opinion, are too stupid and don't have the patience to watch us play how Rodgers has set up Swansea. For this reason, I think Lambert would have more chance of being successful.
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Another vote for the youth coaches to see us until the end of the season.
As for the next permanent manager I'd like to see someone from the Championship or a lesser league abroad. A young coach with fresh ideas, a promising record and a desire to play attacking football. I genuinely don't think we are in a position to attract someone who might look like the finished article or even close to that kind of manager especially after the hit our prestige has taken recently.
As for who they will appoint, it won't be anyone as McLeish is here to stay. If by some miracle he is given the push the replacement will be someone willfully awful. Think Curbs, Bruce or someone like that.
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Jose Sandoval, the crazy manager of Vallecano.
Obviously, not really, the circumstances would never work out, but his is the kind of thinking which would stand us in good stead (frankly, if he happened to speak English and was allowed to ship out the poisonous seniors, it actually might work).
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I'd leave it with Sid and KMac and prepare a proper search for the right sort of manager in the summer. The attendance today should indicate how bad we are.
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Can you imagine Rodgers here!! It would be hilarious to see the first few training sessions, teaching professionals about pass and move, it would be like the Houllier revolution all over again, I can almost hear thr whining from Dunne, Collins, Warnock and numerous others from here.
Picking up on CBBB's point about Villa fans stupidity I hear those comments on a regular basis
"Don't fanny about with it there" "Get it forwards, it don't matter how" "Get it in the mixer" "Too many passes Villa, get it forwards" etc etc
;-)
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On CBBB's and AV82EC's point I think what it would take for people to stop being like that about us playing passing football would be for a sustained run of us playing that way and doing well doing it. If that happened the whinging about it would soon stop.
I'd also say that not all of us, or even most of us are like that, in spite of CBBB's general 'Villa Fans...' claim as if we are that impatient.
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Can you imagine Rodgers here!! It would be hilarious to see the first few training sessions, teaching professionals about pass and move, it would be like the Houllier revolution all over again, I can almost hear thr whining from Dunne, Collins, Warnock and numerous others from here.
Picking up on CBBB's point about Villa fans stupidity I hear those comments on a regular basis
"Don't fanny about with it there" "Get it forwards, it don't matter how" "Get it in the mixer" "Too many passes Villa, get it forwards" etc etc
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The guy next to me shouts st them to hoof it forward because when we lose it at least it's in their half.
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He'll be here until the end of the season without a shadow of a doubt. And almost certainly will start next season as well.
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He'll be here until the end of the season without a shadow of a doubt. And almost certainly will start next season as well.
Completely agree. It was a hypothetical scenario.
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On CBBB's and AV82EC's point I think what it would take for people to stop being like that about us playing passing football would be for a sustained run of us playing that way and doing well doing it. If that happened the whinging about it would soon stop.
I'd also say that not all of us, or even most of us are like that, in spite of CBBB's general 'Villa Fans...' claim as if we are that impatient.
I'd agree with that, stick with it and we'd be converted but he'd have to put up with some brickbats in the meantime. I don't know where you sit Zogman but there are numerous people around me like that.
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In a similar vein to Rodgers I would plump for Brian McDermott.
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I'd like to see a young up and coming manager like Rogers from Swansea or McDermott from Reading, someone who wants to play the game the right way and have a desire to be successful.
But with our board you never know, its more likely to be someone who is out of work like Bruce or McCarthy.
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Paul Lambert please.
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Hatstand choice would be Moyes, the guy we should have had instead of MON. Realistically it will be someone like Curbishley who's got nothing to lose. The likes of Lambert and co will stay put for now- why go from one club with no money to another one? at Norwich they'd be estatic at finishing 9th, here they call for your head
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On CBBB's and AV82EC's point I think what it would take for people to stop being like that about us playing passing football would be for a sustained run of us playing that way and doing well doing it. If that happened the whinging about it would soon stop.
I'd also say that not all of us, or even most of us are like that, in spite of CBBB's general 'Villa Fans...' claim as if we are that impatient.
I'd like to sit where you do because where I am very few are patient people. Your seat sounds like a nicer place to be. I'd ask where it is, but I'm not renewing next season.
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i thought the question was about no until the end of the season,
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Villas-Boas is out of work... A man can dream (sigh)
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Villas-Boas is out of work... A man can dream (sigh)
Such a shame that we were linked with him before AM came along.
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Still think our man should be Martinez (Wigan). Young,refreshing,good attacking passing football and a stylish dresser. Everything AM is not, wot more could u ask for?
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Paul Lambert .
He wants to win every game . He does not care who he is playing .
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Can't stand Moyes. He's so fucking dull. Never understood the love for him.
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If the question is - who would you like to manage us? Then the answer should be Mourinho or Guardiola. Those suggesting villa boas, Rodgers, moyes aren't setting their sights high enough in this fantasy world question. Realistically we couldn't attract Martinez last year and were debating mclaren or mccleish so to suggest managers above us in the table is fanciful at best and possibly delusional.
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I still rate Lee Clark, his win record at Huddersfield was extraordinary, so I still don't know why he got the push, but I think he is an up and coming manager, probably too big a gamble though. AVB for me.
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John Beck is starting to look like an attractive alternative option.
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Slaven Bilic for me. I said the same before Mcleish, disapointed we made no inroads for him
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If the question is - who would you like to manage us? Then the answer should be Mourinho or Guardiola. Those suggesting villa boas, Rodgers, moyes aren't setting their sights high enough in this fantasy world question. Realistically we couldn't attract Martinez last year and were debating mclaren or mccleish so to suggest managers above us in the table is fanciful at best and possibly delusional.
yep. But Managers of smaller clubs will take a step down to a potentially bigger club if the resources are there. a lots been said about Martinez's relationship with Whelan but clearly if he'd been offered the same terms Mcleish was, he was never going to take the job unless he was mad, and we'll have the same problem when/if Mcleish goes. No one employed currently in the premiership is going to tear a path to our door if he's asked to rebuild the side with free transfers or what money Randy decides to give him if we flog Bent
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I would go for Clark or Poyet. My 3rd choice would be to give Zola another shot. Rogers and Lambert are going to cost huge amounts to get out of their contracts and although doing great, I would want to see them go through that vital second season.
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Lambert first choice, AVB or Quique Flores second choice. Lee Clark, McDermott and Poyet are fantastic shouts.
I'd even plump for Grayson over the usual dross of Bruce, Curbs, McCarthy, etc.
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Di Matteo will probably be free in the summer with a better record than both poyet or Zola. Plus we can have a protest in the summer again about employing someone who's managed one of our close neighbours
*runs off*
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Lambert or rodgers would be my choice but if managing in the current climate of cutting costs and shoestring budget i doubt either would be interested.
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Can't stand Moyes. He's so fucking dull. Never understood the love for him.
Did you see the Everton v Sunderland highlights? I can't remember the last time we played exciting, free-flowing attacking football like that. The fact that it was O'Neill on the end of a pasting was just an added bonus.
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I'm pretty tired of reading that we couldn't attract a manager from a much smaller club simply because we're struggling this season. I think even football managers have more imagination than some of our supporters.
Randy will provide funds this summer, I just hope there is somebody worthy to spend it.
We will still be in this division, we will still be a big club and we will be able to attract the kind of managers we should be going for if the intent is there from the board. There is plenty to work with at Aston Villa for the right man/men.
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Anyone who tries to play proper football based around passing, movement, and keeping possession. Anyone who tries to win, and believes he can win, every game regardless of the opposition. Anyone who knows how to organise a defence for corners and set pieces, who's team doesn't shit itself and try (and fail) to shut up shop for 60-80 minutes if they manage an early goal.
Young British coaches like Lambert and Rodgers seem to get found out and fade quickly, so I'd go for someone forinj. But I've no idea who. Maybe that Athletic Bilbao coach,I loved the way they played against Man Yoo, spanked their arses and gave them a footballing lesson as well. But I doubt he'd come to us and he's meant to be a bit mental as well.
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I'm pretty tired of reading that we couldn't attract a manager from a much smaller club simply because we're struggling this season. I think even football managers have more imagination than some of our supporters.
Randy will provide funds this summer, I just hope there is somebody worthy to spend it.
We will still be in this division, we will still be a big club and we will be able to attract the kind of managers we should be going for if the intent is there from the board. There is plenty to work with at Aston Villa for the right man/men.
When you say randy will provide funds maz , just how much do you expect to be made available and do you expect bent to be part of the money raised for transfers?
Id say we would need £25m plus just to compete in mid table.
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We already have a mid table side. We just happen to have a Championship manager.
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We already have a mid table side. We just happen to have a Championship manager.
i think we have promising kids and a lot of overpaid pros who are not delivering , we need a huge overhaul on the playing side akin to when graham taylor arrived in 87 and a clean sweep , new manager , new coaching staff and new team and if we can getr the right manager who knows - but randys past record on managers hardly leaves a lot of confidence in him choosing right next time around.
This squad is not as good as some people think and it needs a total revamp.
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Di Matteo should, but probably won't, get the Chelsea job in the summer, so he'd be a strong option. Poyet too. I like what both coaches have done so far in their careers.
I just want someone who I feel can make his mark at VP, and build something sustainable over the next few years. What I still do not understand about McLeish's appointment is that, it was made in the knowledge that there would be certain limitations on squad investment, and yet McLeish has demonstrated nothing at all on his CV so far that indicates he would have been the right man in those circumstances. I've said it before that KMc would have far more comfortable in this situation.
As for those fans who are impatient and want the players to get it forward quickly - bear in mind where we are, the desperation for a win, the general gloom around the club. A fresh start, a fresh ethos and approach, and the understanding and patience will come.
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Does anybody at all still want McLeish here at the start of next season ?
I think amongst fans now it is simply a debate whether it is best he goes immediately or the day after we have played Norwich away.
The last poll on here showed over 80% wanting him gone - I bet its a lot more now.
I am confident that if another poll was called, with our usual tremendous and vocal criticism of the scottish twat, it would be 110%.
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I wouldnt mind seeing Lambert, Rodgers or Martinez but the problem is, they would have to buy their own players and we dont know how much money would be available to them to rebuild.
I wish we had Houllier as a technical director of football but again, we would of needed a manager who would employ that style of play which Mcleish clearly isn't
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I'm pretty tired of reading that we couldn't attract a manager from a much smaller club simply because we're struggling this season. I think even football managers have more imagination than some of our supporters.
Randy will provide funds this summer, I just hope there is somebody worthy to spend it.
We will still be in this division, we will still be a big club and we will be able to attract the kind of managers we should be going for if the intent is there from the board. There is plenty to work with at Aston Villa for the right man/men.
When you say randy will provide funds maz , just how much do you expect to be made available and do you expect bent to be part of the money raised for transfers?
Id say we would need £25m plus just to compete in mid table.
I wouldn't want to put a figure on it but more than the likes of Norwich or Swansea will have available for instance and it's their managers some of us are advocating. There is a point now where anything less than an overhaul of this busted up squad is negligence and risking his own assets value. So whether he wants to or not, it will have to happen.
However gloomy things are now, a new man with some fresh ideas and impetus and some shrewd transfer dealings would see everybody's mood change. It seems pretty straightforward to me.
Whatever it costs to be rid of the current regime has to happen. If it means not being able to sign a striker or whatever, so be it. It's the most important issue at the club.
McLeish has had a tough task and I do sympathise but the truth is he's not up to it and was never the right man to begin with. There is no point in compounding the error now.
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I'm pretty tired of reading that we couldn't attract a manager from a much smaller club simply because we're struggling this season. I think even football managers have more imagination than some of our supporters.
Randy will provide funds this summer, I just hope there is somebody worthy to spend it.
We will still be in this division, we will still be a big club and we will be able to attract the kind of managers we should be going for if the intent is there from the board. There is plenty to work with at Aston Villa for the right man/men.
When you say randy will provide funds maz , just how much do you expect to be made available and do you expect bent to be part of the money raised for transfers?
Id say we would need £25m plus just to compete in mid table.
I wouldn't want to put a figure on it but more than the likes of Norwich or Swansea will have available for instance and it's their managers some of us are advocating. There is a point now where anything less than an overhaul of this busted up squad is negligence and risking his own assets value. So whether he wants to or not, it will have to happen.
However gloomy things are now, a new man with some fresh ideas and impetus and some shrewd transfer dealings would see everybody's mood change. It seems pretty straightforward to me.
Whatever it costs to be rid of the current regime has to happen. If it means not being able to sign a striker or whatever, so be it. It's the most important issue at the club.
McLeish has had a tough task and I do sympathise but the truth is he's not up to it and was never the right man to begin with. There is no point in compounding the error now.
Agreed , if we need to use available cash to pay off mcleish then so be it , he must go!
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I'm pretty tired of reading that we couldn't attract a manager from a much smaller club simply because we're struggling this season. I think even football managers have more imagination than some of our supporters.
Randy will provide funds this summer, I just hope there is somebody worthy to spend it.
We will still be in this division, we will still be a big club and we will be able to attract the kind of managers we should be going for if the intent is there from the board. There is plenty to work with at Aston Villa for the right man/men.
There aren't any funds to provide, and any money spent will be a smaller proportion of that incoming from player sales. I don't think you realise just how bleak our financial state is. We'll have less money to spend than the likes of Norwich, and if McLeish stays, crowds of a similar level. How does that make us a "bigger club" than them?
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I wouldnt mind seeing Lambert, Rodgers or Martinez but the problem is, they would have to buy their own players and we dont know how much money would be available to them to rebuild.
Thing is, look at the players Lambert and Rodgers (not so much Martinez, I really have my doubts he's going to be as good as people believe, he hasn't managed to lift Wigan above the bottom three in two or three seasons) have signed, and developed into Premier League standard players. Very very few with any particular top-class or top-flight pedigree. Total transfer fees - minimal.
That's quality coaching and management for you. It can be done, with the right coach.
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I'm pretty tired of reading that we couldn't attract a manager from a much smaller club simply because we're struggling this season. I think even football managers have more imagination than some of our supporters.
Randy will provide funds this summer, I just hope there is somebody worthy to spend it.
We will still be in this division, we will still be a big club and we will be able to attract the kind of managers we should be going for if the intent is there from the board. There is plenty to work with at Aston Villa for the right man/men.
There aren't any funds to provide, and any money spent will be a smaller proportion of that incoming from player sales. I don't think you realise just how bleak our financial state is. We'll have less money to spend than the likes of Norwich, and if McLeish stays, crowds of a similar level. How does that make us a "bigger club" than them?
£25m is a fantasy.
McLeish has already stated that it will be 'Bosmans and 1 or 2 for £2-£3m'
There will be no decent money spent until we get new owners and that might not be a possibility anyway.
Our financial situation is dire.
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Nothing will change untill the purse strings are loosened IMO. Everyone was saying similar about Houllier last season - basically anyone was a better bet and look who we got. We all know Mcleish wasn't our 1st choice but was he 2nd? 3rd? 4th? I remember that flim-flam from the board about not wanting Hughes because the way he left Fulham, but its pretty obvious it was more about money and the fact he could, given the funds, attract bigger names, which was certainly not the way the board wanted to go. Mcleish may stay or go, but as for the overall penny pinching strategy - that won't change as the recent free signing has shown. We lost 54m last time. Even given the pay-offs to the managers, and the loss of another 3 players not replaced last summer, i thinks its unlikely we'll be anywhere near on a solid footing next accounts - 20-30m loss i reckon.
Top managers who'd want to work under those conditions? erm.....
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Ozzie Guillen, he could be available soon.
When you're manager of a team in Miami, there's one thing that you don't say and that's how much you "love" and "respect" Fidel Castro
http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/04/10/2739843/miami-marlins-ozzie-guillen-in.html
We might think that Eck says some strange things or that Houllier expressing his fondness for Liverpool was bizarre, but those remarks didn't come close to causing the trouble that Guillen has.
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I'm pretty tired of reading that we couldn't attract a manager from a much smaller club simply because we're struggling this season. I think even football managers have more imagination than some of our supporters.
Randy will provide funds this summer, I just hope there is somebody worthy to spend it.
We will still be in this division, we will still be a big club and we will be able to attract the kind of managers we should be going for if the intent is there from the board. There is plenty to work with at Aston Villa for the right man/men.
There aren't any funds to provide, and any money spent will be a smaller proportion of that incoming from player sales. I don't think you realise just how bleak our financial state is. We'll have less money to spend than the likes of Norwich, and if McLeish stays, crowds of a similar level. How does that make us a "bigger club" than them?
With respect, you have no idea what Randy is willing to provide this summer or what other plans are in place and I do realise the situation with the finances, more than you think. But the club is owned by Lerner and the Lerner trusts and they can take any action necessary to protect their investment. This isnt a plc.
Not that I'm expecting grand investment or that I have all of a sudden found new faith in a board I think are making a bollocks of things in the main. But I do believe we will spend decent money again this summer and that's also backed up from conversations I've had with somebody who should know. I was very skeptical too but time and only time will tell.
Apart from that, I dont know where you're getting the likelihood we'll spend less than Norwich from and I'm not even going to discuss how or why we're a bigger club than the likes of Norwich no more than I'd discuss why the sun rises. We agree on McLeish, that's why I'm suggesting going after Lambert so McLeish wouldn't be a factor. He'd be gone.
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Hodgson, Martinez, Lambert, Rodgers or Hughes.
In that order of preference.
Hodgson has had no contract security since he's been at the Baggies. He's had two short-term contracts I believe. He's got one season left as it stands. We can get him.
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Hodgson, Martinez, Lambert, Rodgers or Hughes.
In that order of preference.
Hodgson has had no contract security since he's been at the Baggies. He's had two short-term contracts I believe. He's got one season left as it stands. We can get him.
Id take anyone from 4 out of those 5 but no thanks to martinez.
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I dont want Woy "Frank Spencer" Hodgson either.
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Having gone through our squad there, it is so thin. £25m is an optimistic assessment of what needs to be spent. A new centre back, a new left back, a new central midfielder, a new winger and a couple of squad players urgently needed.
Of our youth players, the only ones I'm confident of are Weimann, Baker and Ciaran Clark. Bannan, Gardner, and even Albrighton still need to prove themselves PL quality players in my view. We'd need a manager who could quickly take those players to the next level.
We need a manager to come in and quickly start the rebuilding process. A third season of transition should not be an option. We also need somebody who can get Albrighton, N'Zogbia, Gabby and Bent all playing tot heir full potential as a lack og goals this season nearly relegated us.
My gut tells me our prestige has taken a big hit since May 2010. Even if Randy had money to spend again, I'm not sure we could get who has a proven track record at the top. I'd say an up-and-coming manager like Rodgers or Lambert is the best we can hope for. I wouldn't even approach Martinez. Not after this. He inflicted McLeish on us by turning us down last year.
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I bet Jol wouldve jumped at the chance of coming here last summer,he gets his team playing some good stuff,and they actually try and compete against the better sides.
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Hodgson, Martinez, Lambert, Rodgers or Hughes.
In that order of preference.
Hodgson has had no contract security since he's been at the Baggies. He's had two short-term contracts I believe. He's got one season left as it stands. We can get him.
Id take anyone from 4 out of those 5 but no thanks to martinez.
makes me laugh the disregard of Martinez,
it'l be a miracle if he keeps Wigan in the prem league again,
it is probably easier to win the league with Man City than keep Wigan in the top division, they are the smallest club by a mile, punching way over there wieght, and trying to play some decent football at the same time, dont always achieve it but at least try, unlike us.
if we havent got much money to spend, and we have to rely on bringing the young players through who have come through the academy with Sid and kMac, i cant think of a much better option than Roberto,
who will at least harness the footballing principles taught in the academy and get the best out of what he's been given whilst trying to play some decent stuff, its a win win in my book
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Johne, Martinez had his chance to manage us, let's not humiliate ourselves by asking a second time.
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I'm pretty tired of reading that we couldn't attract a manager from a much smaller club simply because we're struggling this season. I think even football managers have more imagination than some of our supporters.
Randy will provide funds this summer, I just hope there is somebody worthy to spend it.
We will still be in this division, we will still be a big club and we will be able to attract the kind of managers we should be going for if the intent is there from the board. There is plenty to work with at Aston Villa for the right man/men.
There aren't any funds to provide, and any money spent will be a smaller proportion of that incoming from player sales. I don't think you realise just how bleak our financial state is. We'll have less money to spend than the likes of Norwich, and if McLeish stays, crowds of a similar level. How does that make us a "bigger club" than them?
With respect, you have no idea what Randy is willing to provide this summer or what other plans are in place and I do realise the situation with the finances, more than you think. But the club is owned by Lerner and the Lerner trusts and they can take any action necessary to protect their investment. This isnt a plc.
Not that I'm expecting grand investment or that I have all of a sudden found new faith in a board I think are making a bollocks of things in the main. But I do believe we will spend decent money again this summer and that's also backed up from conversations I've had with somebody who should know. I was very skeptical too but time and only time will tell.
Apart from that, I dont know where you're getting the likelihood we'll spend less than Norwich from and I'm not even going to discuss how or why we're a bigger club than the likes of Norwich no more than I'd discuss why the sun rises. We agree on McLeish, that's why I'm suggesting going after Lambert so McLeish wouldn't be a factor. He'd be gone.
I'm sure you still owe me for a bet on the latest set of accounts. There is no chance on this earth that we'll spend big this summer, none whatsoever.
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Johne, Martinez had his chance to manage us, let's not humiliate ourselves by asking a second time.
i reckon if we sacked AM and went straight in for RM, he would come,
i dont think we know the full story about what happened with RM last time,as our board seemed to go about things in an unorthadox sort of complicated way
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I'm sure you still owe me for a bet on the latest set of accounts.
I do? You'll have to remind me of that one.
There is a chance we will spend decent (subjective) money. Firstly because the financial situation should start to improve now after player sales and two record (for us) commercial deals plus further revisions to the wage issue and secondly because it needs to happen to protect the investment the Lerner trust (a multi billion dollar organisation) has made in the club. Otherwise we will be relegated and the financial situation will be guaranteed to worsen.
For what its worth, I would have agreed with you a week or two ago. But after speaking to a man about a dog, I am better informed. No guarantees but we'll see what happens.
In any case the initial point was that we could go after the likes of Lambert and Rodgers with confidence and present them with a project they would be interested in. I am absolutely certain that is realistic.
Unfortuantely I dont think this will happen and they will give McLeish the backing instead.
It's not even that I dont trust McLeish to do some decent dealing. Just that I dont trust him to make best use of whatever dealings he did.
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I dont want Woy "Frank Spencer" Hodgson either.
Really? I think he's a great coach.
Infact I'd rate him as fourth best in the country at the minute.
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I dont want Woy "Frank Spencer" Hodgson either.
Really? I think he's a great coach.
Infact I'd rate him as fourth best in the country at the minute.
Christ, really?
Fergie
Wenger
Lambert
Rodgers
Moyes
Redknapp
Pardew
Jol
All comfortably ahead of him I think and thats just PL based.
Dont get me wrong, I'd have him over McLeish any day of the week but we could do better.
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Moyes who wont come to us would be my first choice other than that Rodgers or Lambert.
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I'd like to see a long term solution implemented next time, one that complements our excellent youth system. So a DoF accompanied by one of the younger up and coming managers mentioned in previous posts...
If we're going to stay with the current system then I think hodgson would be a good choice, he did wonders at fulham with limited resources, got shafted by Liverpool and has done well with the baggies so far...
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For what its worth, I would have agreed with you a week or two ago. But after speaking to a man about a dog, I am better informed. No guarantees but we'll see what happens.
That sounds like the usual basesless in-the-know bollocks that means precisely nowt. You were saying that you'd heard Lerner was selling earlier in the season, now he's only not selling, he's going to spend money he doesn't have. Chinny reckon.
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If we are playing devils advocate can i suggest Rodgers and Lambert need more time to prove themselves in the PL than one season. Remember George Burley??
Re Martinez if your criteria is working miracles on a shoestring then why not Alan Curbishley?
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Personally i'm not so worried about what style of football we play under a new guy. The main thing is we have someone with a forceful personality who will pull the club up from the scruff of its neck - like GT Mk1. Thats half the problem IMO, the malaise and sense of drift thats permenated downwards from the board. A new guy HAS to be able to go into the dressing room and say "buck yer idea's up or you're gone". ATM under Mcleish he can't do that because we can't sell them and can't bring in replacements. Houllier could have done it and would of, but again i reckon the cost of doing that was a factor as much as his illness in the club letting him go.. Bottom line is we need investment and if Randy can't afford it, then he shouldn't have bought us and opted for a Wigan or a Bolton instead. If you want economy don't buy a rolls royce.
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For what its worth, I would have agreed with you a week or two ago. But after speaking to a man about a dog, I am better informed. No guarantees but we'll see what happens.
That sounds like the usual basesless in-the-know bollocks that means precisely nowt. You were saying that you'd heard Lerner was selling earlier in the season, now he's only not selling, he's going to spend money he doesn't have. Chinny reckon.
Re: takeover. I'd heard some rumours that I passed on as did others. So what? I haven't said he isn't selling by the way. I hope he is.
I'm not in the know nor have I claimed to be and as I said, before this last week would have agreed with you.
But I spoke to somebody fairly close to matters that has made me think twice at least, that is all.
Please stop pretending you know Lerner's financial state or the state of financial reports that dont exist yet when you don't. I dont know what's going to happen in the summer and neither do you.
I know I dont want McLeish spending any money that will be availble, that's for sure.
Now, what's this about a bet?
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Paolo DiCanio is doing a great job at Swindon, sitting at the top of the table, playing some good football with confidence. He is a real character who wears his heart on his sleeve and tells it like it is. I would love to see someone like him in charge at VP. It won't happen as it would be a massive gamble, plus I believe we won't get relegated, so Randy will stick with McLeish, but I reckon DiCanio has the drive and determination to be a great manager.
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I'd have been happy with Martinez.
The football would've been better for a start and he would've got more out of N'zogbia.
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Said it before I would like to see Flores, based on the fact he said he wanted the Villa job
http://www.talksport.co.uk/sports-news/football/premier-league/7310/4/atletico-madrid-manager-flores-aston-villas-shortlist
I think what the board would go for is bread and butter stuff.
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Said it before I would like to see Flores, based on the fact he said he wanted the Villa job
http://www.talksport.co.uk/sports-news/football/premier-league/7310/4/atletico-madrid-manager-flores-aston-villas-shortlist
I think what the board would go for is bread and butter stuff.
I'd question his mental health for that comment..... ;D JK
He'd be a breath of fresh air, and WANT{ed} the job, Athletico play decent football, have a good strong squad, and are always pushing for silverware in the spanish version of the SPL... don't see the love in for Moyes though. Everton are similar sized club to us, similar fan base and income etc., and he's done jack all up there.... they stagnate between 6th and 9th for the last millenia or so..... {I said similar, not exact or close.... :-\}
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Hodgson would have been ideal for us when O'Neill bailed - he would have stabalised the club. Now? I'd take a punt on a younger manager I think - Lambert, Rogers et al.
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I too would like Lambert and I do think the Villa would still be an attractive proposition for someone like him. Failing that, there is one manager that I can think of who is currently out of work, but I am sure his name would divide opinion amongst most fans. I anticipate some stick for this, but I think Sven Goran Eriksson could be a good appointment. He would definitely be interested in the job (he recently showed interest in the Leeds job) and has experience at all levels of the game. He has coached all over the world so would have knowledge of global transfer markets and different systems and ways of playing. I know the last few years have not been too clever for him (though I was really impressed with his Leicester side last season) but this would give him the opportunity to get back into top level football, an opportunity which I'm sure he would relish. Despite the last few seasons (which again haven't been that bad), he has an excellent record at club level and although not everyone would welcome him, I'm sure he would bring a buzz back to Villa Park.
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Thank you for the letter of recommendation Tord. We'll be in touch.
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Said it before I would like to see Flores, based on the fact he said he wanted the Villa job
http://www.talksport.co.uk/sports-news/football/premier-league/7310/4/atletico-madrid-manager-flores-aston-villas-shortlist
I think what the board would go for is bread and butter stuff.
I'd question his mental health for that comment..... ;D JK
He'd be a breath of fresh air, and WANT{ed} the job, Athletico play decent football, have a good strong squad, and are always pushing for silverware in the spanish version of the SPL... don't see the love in for Moyes though. Everton are similar sized club to us, similar fan base and income etc., and he's done jack all up there.... they stagnate between 6th and 9th for the last millenia or so..... {I said similar, not exact or close.... :-\}
He's had a lot less money to spend than at B6 and his buys have in the main been better value for money than at Villa Park.
He wont come anyway, and I wouldn't pick either Hodgson or Curbishley either. Time to be taking a calculated risk with a less experienced manager who has an ethos of playing football and has cut his early teeth at a club elsewhere.
Don't see either Rodgers or Lambert leaving their current jobs, but there must be younger managers who would fit our requirements, rather than people like Hodgson or Curbishley.
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I find it curious that so many think Rodgers and Lambert are so immovable from jobs at Swansea and Norwich. No disrespect to those clubs but whilst their names are valued (and football is so cruel and fickle) they will want to progress. It will probably not get any better for them with notoriously difficult second seasons coming up.
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I find it curious that so many think Rodgers and Lambert are so immovable from jobs at Swansea and Norwich. No disrespect to those clubs but whilst their names are valued (and football is so cruel and fickle) they will want to progress. It will probably not get any better for them with notoriously difficult second seasons coming up.
Rodgers will end up in a much better job than villa but i believe lambert might be tempted,brian mcdermott seems a decent up and coming manager too.
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Really? Rodgers will go from Swansea to one of the top jobs in the country will he? I doubt it.
Lambert and McDermott are good alternatives though, yes. And probably deserve equal billing at the moment. Especially Lambert.
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Really? Rodgers will go from Swansea to one of the top jobs in the country will he? I doubt it.
Lambert and McDermott are good alternatives though, yes. And probably deserve equal billing at the moment. Especially Lambert.
Having thought about it, I think both Rodgers and Lambert are risks. Let them experience a 2nd season in this division first before they can be judged. from what I heard, Rodgers has flopped at the other clubs he was at but seems to have got it right at swansea. He can be properly judged next season as will lambert.
McDermott seems like a good manager but again, needs to be tested in the PL or the top divisions in europe. Also, Reading look like getting taken over by some russian billionnaire so I doubt he would leave them to come to us where the purse strings have been tightened.
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Second season syndrome...
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Second season syndrome...
exactly!
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Second season syndrome...
exactly!
I reckon both Swansea and Norwich will stay up next season. They're well run clubs with a plan and good managers, like Stoke, as opposed to chancers like Blackpool or Hull. If we retain McLeish we'll be amongst the favourites for relegation I'm sure.
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Second season syndrome...
exactly!
I reckon both Swansea and Norwich will stay up next season. They're well run clubs with a plan and good managers, like Stoke, as opposed to chancers like Blackpool or Hull. If we retain McLeish we'll be amongst the favourites for relegation I'm sure.
I tend to agree with all of this.
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We'll definitely be candidates for relegation if Mcleish remains in charge next season. Randy needs to have a long hard think about what he's doing.
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Having thought about it, I think both Rodgers and Lambert are risks. Let them experience a 2nd season in this division first before they can be judged. from what I heard, Rodgers has flopped at the other clubs he was at but seems to have got it right at swansea. He can be properly judged next season as will lambert.
With Rodgers, Swansea had been building the footballing philosophy that's now bearing fruit for quite some time, so I'm not totally convinced by him yet.
Of the two, I'd be looking at Lambert as a much more valid candidate if McLeish does go.
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We'll definitely be candidates for relegation if Mcleish remains in charge next season. Randy needs to have a long hard think about what he's doing.
I think whoever is in charge, Randy firstly needs to back them in the transfer market.
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And I believe he will.
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If he does decide to back a manager I hope he'd have the good sense of getting rid of our current manager, so he's not wasting his money.
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Can't argue but I'd rather McLeish was backed if he is staying, otherwise we are fucked.
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Anybody but usual crew of misfits. No to Hughes, Moyes, Bruce, Big Sam etc. For me its the Swansea fella, Sid or some pot luck crazy foreign manager. Oh and I would take Big Ron back.