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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: Legion on April 06, 2012, 07:00:28 PM
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Available Saturday evening.
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Odd one. Effort was great, but the actual performance was poor.
Considering the circumstances I thought we did OK, with that team out. Thought McLeish's subs were good too.
Happy with the point.
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Would have taken that at 3pm.
Teams below us lost, a point extra for us. Three points on Monday and we're sorted.
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Magnificent defending. I'll take that considering how other results went. Let's now build on this and win our home games
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Credit to Given, Lichaj, Baker and Warnock in particular for keeping focussed in the second half onslaught.
Don't know why Herd was taken off; asking for trouble when your holding MF is subbed.
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A good point against a poor Liverpool side. Roll on May.
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Fuck me that was stressful. A point in a game where the vast majority thought we would be battered. Could be a vital point. Great results for us elsewhere.
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Good point.
We will be o.k this season.
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A win would have probably seen us go 8 points clear of the drop zone. Still, a good day given other results.
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Brilliant. Displayed a fighting spirit I never knew we possessed. Considering how certain I was we would lose, gotta be happy.
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Players worked their bollocks off. Given the amount of senior players out the lads that went there did us proud. Long way from being perfect, but that's a good result.
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Can't complain. But I will. We shouldn't have let that ****** score. Oh well.
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Got to be happy with a point.
Special mention to Given.
Still annoyed at our lack of ball retention though.
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Ps Chelsea first goal is the worst offside you'll see. We'll take it!
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Some heroic stuff and considering the circumstances, a huge point. Really impressed with some of the youngsters - Baker, Lichaj & Herd all did great.
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If the post match from AM includes:
Unlucky
Excellent Game Plan
Inexperienced
Or any of a number of other similar things he shouldn't be our manager by the morning.
We had an excellent opportunity to win at Anfield today and have ended up clinging on to a draw.
Regardless of the team we put out if he thinks defending deep and punting it clear for 80minutes is is any way going to bring success in this league then he's deluded and a long way out of his depth.
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Has us down for a defeat so the point is more than welcome. Couldn't face watching it but sounds like the defence deserve a huge amount of credit. 3 points Monday please.
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Just about recovering from the nervous wreck I was during the 2nd half. A point well deserved for the lads who were out there. Thankfully results elsewhere have helped us a bit today.
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Got to be seen as a point gained given the way it's panned out elsewhere. Bit disappointed with their goal as it looked like it was going to be our day. Hopefully there will be some fresh faces back for Monday and we can add some more points to the board.
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Excellent and very valuable point. Players worked hard and defended well but why did we sit so deep for 80 minutes?
And since when did Sir Brian become a Liverpool fan?
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difficult to watch the last few minutes - I was sweating.
Sir Brian gave the MOM award to Suarez....
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Better. Still flaws. We need to keep possession..
But we had some young kids out there today and they did us proud. Samir Carruthers shoulda had a penalty. Ref is an idiot. Disgusting, really.
But hey, good point.
Shame Suarez is playing and healthy when far, far better men are out of the game ill is proof that the world is a shit place.
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great point with all our injury problems at the moment,bonus of all the teams below loosing aswell.got to build on this now and get 3 points monday!
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Same old bollocks. After the goal it all went downhill.
Spending 77 minutes defending the inevitable is not my idea of a decent game.
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Almost the perfect day...almost
The most significant results today were Bolton and Blackburn losing, both in games they would have fancied getting something from, particularly the former. To lose 3-0 to a team like Fulham at home at this stage is a devastating result, imagine if that were us what the reaction would be on here. A win against Stoke Monday and I reckon we are almost there
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How poor were Liverpool. They look a worse version of us under MON.
That's what happens when you buy British.
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Job done, well done Villa, it wasn't pretty (is it ever) but we did it!
Well done to the youngsters for doing quite well in a tough game, and well done to the seniors for working with the youngsters to scrape a valuable draw.
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we were wasteful going forward though. 2-3 times we had really good opportunities which amounted to absolutely nothing. gabby held the ball up well today, he is maturing as a striker....
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We've really performed above my expectations in the last two games against Chelsea and now today. McLeish seems to be becoming more tactically aware and has shown it in both games with god subs such as Albrighton coming on last weekend and Gardner for Heskey today.
A promising result.
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Will 37 points see us safe? I think we can get three more points from the remaining games.
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A good point for us I thought the team defended well I was a bag of nerves towards the end.
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I loved it when KKK took off Downing at the same time bringing on the Carrol lump; all the good crossing from the left immediately dried up!
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How poor were Liverpool. They look a worse version of us under MON.
That's what happens when you buy British.
Ain't that the truth. Given the expense they'll be handcuffed by those deals for a good while
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Let's get 3 points against Stoke now.
Fingers crossed that McJism sends them out with an attacking intent.
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Regardless of the team we put out if he thinks defending deep and punting it clear for 80minutes is is any way going to bring success in this league then he's deluded and a long way out of his depth.
Thank christ someone else thinks that, I was beginning to think I was watching a different game.
Glad for the point, but it should have been all three against a piss poor Liverpool team.
Yet again we get the first advantage and do sod all with it but invite the other side back in.
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Id have taken a point before the game, but we should have won.
The early goal has saved McLeish from a lot of stick, it's embarrassing the way we play like that.
But ow well, good effort and Samir looks like he could be really good. Monday night here we come, if we show same effort we should win.
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Decent point I suppose, made better by the other results. I thought Collins, barring one or two misplaced passes was immense today.
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Will take that. Will be a good week-end for us so long as QPR don't do anything silly like win at Old Trafford tomorrow.
One more point towards survival.
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Will 37 points see us safe? I think we can get three more points from the remaining games.
Think it will be enough this season. Beating Bolton will see us safe, and I think we'll get something off Sunderland before then
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I don't think Herd is fully fit.
Hats off to Baker, Collins Eric, Hutton and Warnock at the back.Great/Lucky defending at times.Ireland again played well, as did Gabby.
2 mins to go counter attacking, 4 against 2 , we give the ball away far too cheapley, again, their last chance came from Carruthers miscontrolling the ball.If we worked harder at creating space/passes when going foward we would have won a lot more games, the final ball into the box needs to be a lot better.
For all the money they have spent, they are just a long ball team.Not his biggest fan, but hats off to McL today he got the team, and the subs spot on as far as i was concearned.
Happy with the point, and a lovely well made goal by Herd.
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I actually fancy a couple of wins in the games we have left and don't think we need to worry too much. There's no way the teams below us are good enough to bridge a 6 point gap, beat our GD and then go above us. One team maybe at a push but not enough of them to see us relegated.
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Samir Carruthers shoulda had a penalty.
Thought so too.
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Another 1-1 win, McLeish must be ecstatic,
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I think one of the big pluses today was the kids fighting out for a point. The recent results must shatter their confidence
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Terry Wigan, Vernon Kay's Bolton and The chicken stranglers all losing did us a massive favour.
I assume that Stuuuurk will put the final nail in Wolves coffin.
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Regardless of the team we put out if he thinks defending deep and punting it clear for 80minutes is is any way going to bring success in this league then he's deluded and a long way out of his depth.
Thank christ someone else thinks that, I was beginning to think I was watching a different game.
Glad for the point, but it should have been all three against a piss poor Liverpool team.
Yet again we get the first advantage and do sod all with it but invite the other side back in.
yeah because we always do that every year dont we???
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Samir Carruthers shoulda had a penalty.
Thought so too.
Agreed.
Knowing MOTD, they won't even show it.
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Samir Carruthers shoulda had a penalty.
Thought so too.
Agreed.
Knowing MOTD, they won't even show it.
To be fair, I thought that it was almost identical to the Suarez incident in the first half. Contact, but nowhere near enough to warrant going down like he did.
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Some of these comments im reading, i'm finding hard to believe did you actually watch the game. It was not excellent, having 0 shots on goal in the second (how many time have we heard that) against their stand-in keeper is not acceptable.
I'll agree it is a valuable point earned considering.
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Will 37 points see us safe? I think we can get three more points from the remaining games.
Think it will be enough this season. Beating Bolton will see us safe, and I think we'll get something off Sunderland before then
The three points comment is my worst case scenario. I think we can beat Stoke and Bolton, draw Sunderland and go to Carrow Road and win on the final day. That would give us 44 points. I'd still want Mcleish out though. look at how crap Liverpool are? Only nine points ahead of us. If we used our squad properly earlier in the season, supplied Bent the way at £20m striker should be supplied we'd have challenged top 8.
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great goal by Chris herd
well done the kids for hanging on in there under some heavy liverpool pressure-shame we couldn't catch them on the break for a second goal.
but I'm happy with the point-very nerve racking at the end there!
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Some of these comments im reading, i'm finding hard to believe did you actually watch the game. It was not excellent, having 0 shots on goal in the second (how many time have we heard that) against their stand-in keeper is not acceptable.
I'll agree it is a valuable point earned considering.
We had at least one.
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The replay showed it. Definitely more contact than Suarez. And if the case is they're the same then WHY is Suarez not booked for that? Then, of course, booked for the second one - and not on the pitch to score the winner?
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Important point, the youngsters showed more fighting spirit than the seniors have all year. Having said that, we clearly don't practice ball-retention of any sort, and with a bit more of that (see Wigan and QPR) we would have won today. Liverpool are really, really bad at the moment.
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Beat Stoke and we're almost home, trouble is, do you expect this Manager to play for the win?
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The replay showed it. Definitely more contact than Suarez. And if the case is they're the same then WHY is Suarez not booked for that? Then, of course, booked for the second one - and not on the pitch to score the winner?
Winner? Am I alone in this parallel universe where we got a point?
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Watched the game on the net and it must of taken a year off my life, considering the players available it was a great point and we defended like lions, I am very proud of the players tonight.
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Good point.
We will be o.k this season.
Your probably right, but I really don't want this next season though and I'm not even a regular at Villa.
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The replay showed it. Definitely more contact than Suarez. And if the case is they're the same then WHY is Suarez not booked for that?
The Ref was worried they'd then be wearing t shirts of support for Suarez in the next game.
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Can't complain. But I will. We shouldn't have let that c*** score. Oh well.
Well I'm sure it was only his 8th of the season. Another good £25m purchase from Kenny.
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i know we've got some good kids coming through, but god our overall squad is weak, i think that was the weakest bench i've ever seen at the villa in the top flight, randy's gotta do something about the squad depth or do one, a few injuries shouldn't leave a team in this position, that said thought the kids were triers today and collins was MOM brian
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I predicted a draw and I'm content with a draw. Probably more than we deserved. A nice little unbeaten run of 3 or 4 games would be nice.
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McLeish was clearly seen to be urging the players to sit ten yards further forward towards the end in fairness and he moved Ireland back to the central role with instructions to keep the ball. We should not forget how inexperienced our team that finished the game, it was natural that they would retreat.
Special mention to two senior players who have been rightly maligned at times this season but stood up to be counted for the youth around them today - Warnock who worked his bollocks off and Collins who put in his best performance since MO'N left. Collins has looked so much better without Dunne alongside him and he seems to relish being the senior centre half alongside Baker who also stood firm. Gabby led the line brilliantly as well I thought, Ireland didn't have his best day on the ball but he ran further than any one else by some distance according to the stats. Given was great.
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Will 37 points see us safe? I think we can get three more points from the remaining games.
Think it will be enough this season. Beating Bolton will see us safe, and I think we'll get something off Sunderland before then
The three points comment is my worst case scenario. I think we can beat Stoke and Bolton, draw Sunderland and go to Carrow Road and win on the final day. That would give us 44 points. I'd still want Mcleish out though. look at how crap Liverpool are? Only nine points ahead of us. If we used our squad properly earlier in the season, supplied Bent the way at £20m striker should be supplied we'd have challenged top 8.
Our goal difference is an extra point
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Looked lively Carruthers when he came on, nice trick to beat Gerard, and he was clipped, but no more than Suarez in the 1st half if i'm honest.
Yes Lplop were/are poor, but at the moment, with the lack of choices, so are we.Ball tretention was not good enough, but Baker looks a star in the making to me, as does GG.Weimann looks as if he has a future, as does Eric.We would'nt have learned that under MON or probably GH.
The good thing about this season, is we will learn if some of the youngsters have "it".The signs are looking good.I would rather watch Baker/Clark play instead of Dunne/Carlos, GG instead of Stan, and Weimann instead of Heskey.We need to have a look to see if they are going to be any good.Going to Anfield and getting a result is agood experience for the kids, and they stood up to it.
Heskey put in a shift as well.
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I'm starting to wonder if Warnock might be better employed left midfield till we fuck him off at the end of the season, his judgement is terrible on the defensive side.
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Will 37 points see us safe? I think we can get three more points from the remaining games.
I recon we will get 37 points by monday evening! Stoke have only scored 10 away from home but conceded 28!
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I'm happy with the draw, the kids battled well.
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Considering the lack of quality in our side at the moment, a point is a decent return from Anfield. We started pretty well and scored a good goal. Lacked the courage to get on the ball though and take the game to an equally poor Liverpool side. Ireland in particular disappointed me in this regard. Can't fault the effort shown though. Hutton wasn't fully fit. Herd or Heskey obviously not either. So in the circumstances a point is very welcome.
Collins was best I thought and Gabby held it up well. Baker was solid in the main. Much improved from the Chelsea game. Lichaj gave it his best but is much better at
right back. I don't like the guy but Warnock put in a fair effort today.
Hopefully a couple of the older players can make it back for next week. We need them.
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Regardless of the team we put out if he thinks defending deep and punting it clear for 80minutes is is any way going to bring success in this league then he's deluded and a long way out of his depth.
Thank christ someone else thinks that, I was beginning to think I was watching a different game.
Glad for the point, but it should have been all three against a piss poor Liverpool team.
Yet again we get the first advantage and do sod all with it but invite the other side back in.
yeah because we always do that every year dont we???
Take an early lead and then sit back until the inevitable late goal arrives? Yup, we certainly do.
I couldn't give a monkeys who the opposition are or what pre-match expectations were reasonable.
After 10 minutes there were three points for the taking and we chose the most likely way of saying 'no thanks'.
We probably won't pay the big price for the two points we spurned, but that excuses nothing.
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I'm starting to wonder if Warnock might be better employed left midfield till we fuck him off at the end of the season, his judgement is terrible on the defensive side.
The season he came from blackburn he played there an in the center of middle field. Prefer him there than at the back
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The replay showed it. Definitely more contact than Suarez. And if the case is they're the same then WHY is Suarez not booked for that? Then, of course, booked for the second one - and not on the pitch to score the winner?
Winner? Am I alone in this parallel universe where we got a point?
My bad. Replace the word with goal and my point stands.
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Well I predicted 1-1 in the pre-match thread, so i'm in shock I actually got one right!
All that matters between now and the end of the season is results.
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Collins was outstanding today. Also Baker and Given. Ball retention is terrible. How come Swansea recently a championship side can retain the ball against anyone in the premiership. Surely the coaching staff should be working on this. Great result ........
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We didn't deserve more than what we got but even so there was some solid shifts out there. Given and back four, Warnock, Herd and Gabby did very well. Some nice touches from Ireland and Bannan at times.
If only we could get the best out of Gabby again. He works so hard and is so committed to us and holds it up so well but his confidence has gone in front of goal. He has played so many times out of position for us it is quite understandable.
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What was the point of bringing Weiman on?
A good word for the ref, it that had of been Dowd, they would have had 2 penalties at least.
A valuable point even though we were battered.
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Liverpool had twenty shots on goal but our lot persevered and deserved that point.
I thought Collins was excellent as he often is when its backs to the wall time.
Young Carruthers looks to have something.
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McLeish was clearly seen to be urging the players to sit ten yards further forward towards the end in fairness and he moved Ireland back to the central role with instructions to keep the ball. We should not forget how inexperienced our team that finished the game, it was natural that they would retreat.
Special mention to two senior players who have been rightly maligned at times this season but stood up to be counted for the youth around them today - Warnock who worked his bollocks off and Collins who put in his best performance since MO'N left. Collins has looked so much better without Dunne alongside him and he seems to relish being the senior centre half alongside Baker who also stood firm. Gabby led the line brilliantly as well I thought, Ireland didn't have his best day on the ball but he ran further than any one else by some distance according to the stats. Given was great.
This deserves a repeat as I completely agree with it. Not much more that McCleish could of done. Made the right subs at the right time. With the inexperience in the team it was a great game to get them experience and they naturally sit back like was said and sore McCleish trying to move them forward.
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McLeish was clearly seen to be urging the players to sit ten yards further forward towards the end in fairness and he moved Ireland back to the central role with instructions to keep the ball. We should not forget how inexperienced our team that finished the game, it was natural that they would retreat.
Indeed, but a) that's the kind of thing you have to work on in training, and I'm far from convinced Eck does that and b) they wouldn't be so inexperienced if they'd been playing earlier in the season, when they should have been.
Also, Collins got in the way of a lot but he still gave the ball away too much and got caught a couple of times positionally (following the ball a bit too much). Given also hoofs it too much. Liverpool are god awful. Whinge whinge whinge.
Very proud of the younger players especially today. Proved, in the main, that hard work is more important than the physical strength they lack quite a bit. I still think there's enough talent there to make really quite a good side with a better manager, but a point's a point, and one I didn't think we were going to get. I feel a bit more comfortable about staying up tonight, especially after the other results went our way today, but I think in general my views about the manager and the squad - sadly - are unaltered. Still, take the point!
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Collins was outstanding today. Also Baker and Given. Ball retention is terrible. How come Swansea recently a championship side can retain the ball against anyone in the premiership. Surely the coaching staff should be working on this. Great result ........
Because they have bought players that are comfortable with the ball and encourage that. We still have mostly MON players who were more defend deep and counter attack which often means ball retention isn't the biggest priority. I works when your outlets are Young and Downing. I'm convinced that had GH remained you'd have seen an end to the kick it long era.
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Liverpool may of had 20 shots but really they only had 5 on target against our 3. Bet the bbc statistician was a liverpool fan and classing some crosses as shots! For example that Herderson shot need the end was went miles up in the stands but was still classed as a shot. We defended well why can't people accept that... Also according to the bbc the possession was 50/50 so can't really say we were dominated!
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I find it hard to see people annoyed we didn't win. Liverpool pummelled us for a lot of the game, we weren't able to hold onto the ball to any great extent in midfield so the defence worked their arses off and everyone else ran themselves into the ground. With a bit more composure and quality (Petrov and Zoggy on-form for example) we would have picked Liverpool off on the counter-attack. I don't think they are as bad as everyone is saying - they create plenty of chances per game and I wouldn't be surprised to see them go on a strong run if it clicks for them. If we were Pool fans we would bemoan our lack of luck - they hit the woodwork every game and often miss sitters like Kuyt's one today.
Really proud of the kids today though. Given the squad we had a point against Liverpool, even if they are in poor form, is decent going.
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Is it just me, or is Dalgleish just a detestable bugger. ?
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Liverpool may of had 20 shots but really they only had 5 on target against our 3. Bet the bbc statistician was a liverpool fan and classing some crosses as shots! For example that Herderson shot need the end was went miles up in the stands but was still classed as a shot. We defended well why can't people accept that...
Yes we did defend well. But we did fuck-all attacking.
They had plenty of possession, forced a couple of good saves from Given, hit the post and Kuyt missed a sitter. We had nothing clear-cut. Even our goal was a beautiful strike, but a half-chance a best.
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Liverpool may of had 20 shots but really they only had 5 on target against our 3. Bet the bbc statistician was a liverpool fan and classing some crosses as shots! For example that Herderson shot need the end was went miles up in the stands but was still classed as a shot. We defended well why can't people accept that... Also according to the bbc the postion was 50/50 so can't really say we were dominated!
I agree, we limited their shooting very well, but the way we sat back was going to invite them to score eventually.
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Is it just me, or is Dalgleish just a detestable bugger. ?
No
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Wow. A very good point that, especially in light of the other results at the bottom of the league, and one that I didn't expect at all. A very impressive show of fight and resolve that I thought we'd lost. Good stuff from the young'uns.
I thought Ireland was excellent today....doing exactly the sort of stuff you don't expect him to, really! He was everywhere, getting a foot in here, closing down space there, very good indeed.
Lichaj, Herd and Baker all played their parts well, and I am coming round to thinking that they can hold their own as first-team players - but will need better seniors around them, I think.
Collins had his best game for us in absolutely ages, although I do think he is a fine 'all hands to the pump' sort of defender, rather than a composed one. Warnock was also very good, and based on this I would stick with Lichaj at left-back and let Warnock play left-midfield.
On the downside, it is still frustratiing how easily we give the ball away, although I can see that Liverpool really were going for it today. One of my mates who I watched this with commented "All you have to do is keep the ball a bit better and you're home and dry!" Indeed!
And as an aside, Liverpool really look a LONG way off the likes of Man City, Arsenal etc. All that money spent just to turn into...well, us, a few years ago. I suspect Dalglish may be offered a hero's retirement this summer.
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Is it just me, or is Dalgleish just a detestable bugger. ?
No
Dalgleish gives people other than Liverpool fans a lot to dislike.
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An unexpected point so well done Villa boys.
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Possession was 70/30, according to espn.
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Samir Carruthers just been on twitter to confirm he recons we should of had a penalty towards the area for a foul on him in which he was booked for diving!
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Is it just me, or is Dalgleish just a detestable bugger. ?
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Dalgleish gives people other than Liverpool fans a lot to dislike.
He's a cock on a magnificent scale. Just heard him say Suarez book was scandalous. He gives a new meaning to dour Scots. A bitter, bitter man.
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Is it just me, or is Dalgleish just a detestable bugger. ?
It's not just you - I really dislike the guy.
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Samir Carruthers just been on twitter to confirm he recons we should of had a penalty towards the area for a foul on him in which he was booked for diving!
@SamirCarruthers Why don't you post a photo of today's ref in a Liverpool shirt?
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I'll take the point, however ugly and desperate the performance.
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Collins was outstanding today. Also Baker and Given. Ball retention is terrible. How come Swansea recently a championship side can retain the ball against anyone in the premiership. Surely the coaching staff should be working on this. Great result ........
Because they have bought players that are comfortable with the ball and encourage that. We still have mostly MON players who were more defend deep and counter attack which often means ball retention isn't the biggest priority. I works when your outlets are Young and Downing. I'm convinced that had GH remained you'd have seen an end to the kick it long era.
Agree. It has to be decided what type of approach to football you want to install into the team. Makoun should of had longer but was sent packing. I think if Houllier was still manager we would now be similiar in terms of football to Swansea, Arsenal etc. Think some two touch five a sde is required at Body moor .................
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If the post match from AM includes:
Unlucky
Excellent Game Plan
Inexperienced
Or any of a number of other similar things he shouldn't be our manager by the morning.
We had an excellent opportunity to win at Anfield today and have ended up clinging on to a draw.
Regardless of the team we put out if he thinks defending deep and punting it clear for 80minutes is is any way going to bring success in this league then he's deluded and a long way out of his depth.
Give it a rest.
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Samir Carruthers just been on twitter to confirm he recons we should of had a penalty towards the area for a foul on him in which he was booked for diving!
@SamirCarruthers Why don't you post a photo of today's ref in a Liverpool shirt?
His leg was taken away from him in the area. Definitely a penalty
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If the post match from AM includes:
Unlucky
Excellent Game Plan
Inexperienced
Or any of a number of other similar things he shouldn't be our manager by the morning.
We had an excellent opportunity to win at Anfield today and have ended up clinging on to a draw.
Regardless of the team we put out if he thinks defending deep and punting it clear for 80minutes is is any way going to bring success in this league then he's deluded and a long way out of his depth.
Give it a rest.
With all due, he's entitled to he's view. I certainly think he's being harsh, but if that's how he saw the game then fair enough.
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I was so nervous about the game I had to pretend it wasn't happening.
A big defeat - which many were predicting - would have had an awful effect. A point is a point.
Next
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Mac, my point is, whingeing on the internet won't change anything.
Oh.
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http://www.skysports.com/video/inline/0,,16461_7657055,00.html Post match interview
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Good praise for the kids by McCleish credit were credits due.
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Is it just me, or is Dalgleish just a detestable bugger. ?
It's amusing to see the stcik that KKK is getting in the comments section of this match report:
http://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/scotsol/homepage/sport/football/4244425/Liverpool-1-1-Aston-Villa-Match-report-pictures-video-highlights.html
I just saw Dalglish's interview on SSN and he is in denial/blame mode just like our own out-of-his-depth Scottish manager,
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An excellent point that few would have backed us to get. Not a champagne performance by any means but we came away with a point that our relegation rivals didn't get today and will as a result help us pull away from the mire.
Something that really struck me today and against Chelsea was the fighting spirit we showed. We seem to have much more of that with the younger players in the team, even if we are putting in performances of no better quality, we are still going down fighting. For me, this stands us in better stead.
Oh, and I say this very often, but Dalglish is a total ******. I hope he falls down a sinkhole.
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I couldn't care less what McLeish says. He's just put out one of the most inexperienced Villa teams ever and got a point at a ground where better managers than he have been turned over.
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Samir Carruthers shoulda had a penalty.
Thought so too.
Agreed.
Knowing MOTD, they won't even show it.
To be fair, I thought that it was almost identical to the Suarez incident in the first half. Contact, but nowhere near enough to warrant going down like he did.
Your wrong mate, watched the game online and had the advantage of a close up replay of both incidents. The Suarez one was not a penalty he kicked Huttons calf then went down. Samir was clearly tripped just inside the box admittedly whilst trying to bring the ball out of the box but even so it was a clear foul and should have beena penalty technically. To book him for being tripped was absurd.
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Samir Carruthers shoulda had a penalty.
Thought so too.
Agreed.
Knowing MOTD, they won't even show it.
To be fair, I thought that it was almost identical to the Suarez incident in the first half. Contact, but nowhere near enough to warrant going down like he did.
Your wrong mate, watched the game online and had the advantage of a close up replay of both incidents. The Suarez one was not a penalty he kicked Huttons calf then went down. Samir was clearly tripped just inside the box admittedly whilst trying to bring the ball out of the box but even so it was a clear foul and should have beena penalty technically. To book him for being tripped was absurd.
It was a foul, he should have had a penalty.
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I couldn't care less what McLeish says. He's just put out one of the most inexperienced Villa teams ever and got a point at a ground where better managers than he have been turned over.
Quite right, he made some brave substitutions too.
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I think Ireland was excellent and showed today that he can play in a two in midfield, which is good news in terms of us becoming a better footballing side.
And these kids are proving to be valued and worthy members of the first team squad.
Spending this summer should be well-targeted, no need for a scattergun approach aimed at getting lots of bodies in.
Didn't think AM had any motivational skills at all, but there was evidence of it amongst the seniors today.
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I was so nervous about the game I had to pretend it wasn't happening.
A big defeat - which many were predicting - would have had an awful effect. A point is a point.
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What? That is another 'win' in McL world. Away at a big venue, against a big team and get a draw!..definitely worth a win in McL's book! Roll on the end of season tension. Survival will merit an open top bin lorry round the TH and down New St, up Corporation st and enter the ground bathed in sh..... stoppp!
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I couldn't care less what McLeish says. He's just put out one of the most inexperienced Villa teams ever and got a point at a ground where better managers than he have been turned over.
Correct Dave. I'm a GH supporter, but he had a much better side last year and went there and got murdered. Say what you want about McLeish but this lot played hard for pretty much 90 minutes.
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Ps Chelsea first goal is the worst offside you'll see. We'll take it!
I think the second was also.
Anyway, Liverpool had all the possession, the vast majority of the chances, missed a few sitters, and for most of the game were well on top. But, they could only do the important thing as many times we could. With the stats they will probably think they should have won but poro finishing good defending meant the score was what it was.
So credit to everyone - even him - for getting us set-up well defensively. Ball retention was poor but I'll take the point.
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Decided this morning that I was going to act as if the match wasn't taking place. So when we were out this afternoon, turned phone off, avoided radio etc, just came on here at 5 to see how it went.
I see Herd scored, which is pleasing, and that we got a point. I have no idea what else went on, and to be honest, don't care.
All I care about at this point is that we got a point more than I thought we would, and other results went well for us, and not the tonking I thought we would, which would have set things up for Stoke abysmally.
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Collins was outstanding today. Also Baker and Given. Ball retention is terrible. How come Swansea recently a championship side can retain the ball against anyone in the premiership. Surely the coaching staff should be working on this. Great result ........
This - multiplied by a million. Today probably wasn't a good example, as the squad is down to the bare bones and the kids did ok, but it happens in every game. We gift the opposition so much possession, they're bound to score sooner or later. We make every game all about the opposition - are they good enough to break us down? It's like watching a plucky League 1 team playing at Old Trafford in the FA Cup 3rd round every week...
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If the post match from AM includes:
Unlucky
Excellent Game Plan
Inexperienced
Or any of a number of other similar things he shouldn't be our manager by the morning.
We had an excellent opportunity to win at Anfield today and have ended up clinging on to a draw.
Regardless of the team we put out if he thinks defending deep and punting it clear for 80minutes is is any way going to bring success in this league then he's deluded and a long way out of his depth.
Give it a rest.
Sorry, I'm disappointed that we had a great chance to win against a team that has lost 7 in 8 and who we don't get many chances to beat and we decided to sit deep instead. For me it sums up the problems at the club. For me, for all that we played well in defence and looked willing to fight, we played like a lower league team in the cup, got a good goal early on and then didn't have the guts to carry on playing.
We've been like this all season today it worked ok and we got a point but I think we could've got more with better ball retention and bit more willingness to test them.
At least I'm consistent, I hate the football we're playing and don't see any long term success from it.
I'd have taken a point today before kick off but it's another case of dropping points from a winning position which we've done far far too often in the last couple of years.
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A good point that I certainly didn't expect us to gain. Our ball retention was again poor but didn't expect any different and we hugely rode our luck but I will certainly take it. On a positive note it was good to see the players fighting for the point and the team and closing down the opposition.
Another point on our road to safety and I think we will just about manage to draw ourselves to above the watermark. Once that has happened hopefully we can concentrate on purging our club of McLeish.
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We started brightly, scored a cracking goal, and then basically stopped playing. I had to skip the second half as I couldn't face watching another 49 minutes of last ditch defending , with Liverpool players throwing themselves down in the box every 5 minutes accompanied by much baying and ref baiting from the crowd, and waiting for the inevitable equaliser (which duly arrived) and winner (which thankfully didn't). I know it was an inexperienced team and they battled and defended really well by all accounts, but can't help thinking with Liverpool's fragile state it would have made more sense to carry on taking the game to them.
Ball retention still a major issue, but I'd have taken a point before the game, and at least we showed we may have some stomach for the fight, which I wasn't sure about before today.
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I'm happy and relieved because I thought we might get a hiding that would shatter any confidence we have for the remaining games. I totally agree with the concerns about ball retention and taking the game to the opposition more but let's be honest, it's all about just staying up now. As Damon said - a point is point, next.
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I still think this was a far from convincing performance. We must be careful not to get carried away by the setting: Liverpool are not what they were, and in particularly rocky form. Also, these juniors have more fight and natural instinct for football, in my view, than many of the seniors keeping them out of the team this season. The fight was good to see, but it's a point which could easily have been naught at a side really struggling for form and a cutting edge. I'll take the point, but we treated them with a reverence they did not deserve and did not display any evidence of training ground work towards keeping possession.
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We started brightly, scored a cracking goal, and then basically stopped playing. I had to skip the second half as I couldn't face watching another 49 minutes of last ditch defending , with Liverpool players throwing themselves down in the box every 5 minutes accompanied by much baying and ref baiting from the crowd, and waiting for the inevitable equaliser (which duly arrived) and winner (which thankfully didn't).
LOL. Same here. Reading this I thought you were me! I actually watched Bolton-Fulham 2nd half and they were really dreadful. Its a shame that we're not playing them on Monday as there's no way they'll pick themselves up for their next game after that performance. Truly, happily, woeful.
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I still think this was a far from convincing performance. We must be careful not to get carried away by the setting: Liverpool are not what they were, and in particularly rocky form. Also, these juniors have more fight and natural instinct for football, in my view, than many of the seniors keeping them out of the team this season. The fight was good to see, but it's a point which could easily have been naught at a side really struggling for form and a cutting edge. I'll take the point, but we treated them with a reverence they did not deserve and did not display any evidence of training ground work towards keeping possession.
Sums it up better than i was attempting to.
I'm glad we got the point but I see nothing as having changed.
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At the end of the day most people didn't give us a chance of anything so the fact we played so badly (as some say) and still got a point is surely a bonus. At this stage of the season and the situation we're in then performances come second to points.
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Couldn't watch the game. Buzzing we got a point, well done the kids!
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A very good point considering the players we had out and the fact that the ref gave us nothing (his booking of Carruthers was ridiculous). It's a game we should have lost in fairness and let's face it, the majority of us would have taken a draw before the game.
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Well i think people should give him a break. If MON had got a result at anfield with a battling performance playing 7 youngsters everyone would be patting him on the back. I get it, you want Mcleish gone but please try and show some perspective.
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I still think this was a far from convincing performance. We must be careful not to get carried away by the setting: Liverpool are not what they were, and in particularly rocky form. Also, these juniors have more fight and natural instinct for football, in my view, than many of the seniors keeping them out of the team this season. The fight was good to see, but it's a point which could easily have been naught at a side really struggling for form and a cutting edge. I'll take the point, but we treated them with a reverence they did not deserve and did not display any evidence of training ground work towards keeping possession.
Quite right but beforehand everyone was saying we were the ideal team for Racist FC to be playing to stop their rot of poor form and predicting a 3-0 or 4-0 thrashing. I've seen far better footballing Villa teams than this go up to Anfield and be 3 down in the first 20 minutes, game over, so I think we should be pleased. Also, we've always seemingly wanted to throw the kids in for the last few games of the season and now we are doing so, even if borne of necessity rather than idealism. You never know, we might be witnessing a quiet revolution...probably not but we have to cling onto something!
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The highlights are on Irish tv right now.
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Good point I didn't expect, Suarez provides more evidence that he is a fetid polyp on the ever increasing arsehole of PL football, the kids did good and anything that makes KKKenny further embarrass himself by stuttering through interviews like an angry backwater drunk is a good thing
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Well i think people should give him a break. If MON had got a result at anfield with a battling performance playing 7 youngsters everyone would be patting him on the back. I get it, you want Mcleish gone but please try and show some perspective.
Ahh Greg mentions MON.
Again.
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We were robbed. Carruthers was clearly fouled.
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A good result made even better by the results of those teams below us.
Credit to Big Eck and the players for a battling performance and hope we can carry some positivity into the match with Stoke on Monday
Oh and for all those waxing lyrical about Houllier and his great brand of football please cast your minds back to this fixture last season...
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Well i think people should give him a break. If MON had got a result at anfield with a battling performance playing 7 youngsters everyone would be patting him on the back. I get it, you want Mcleish gone but please try and show some perspective.
Ahh Greg mentions MON.
Again.
well seeing we got turned over 5-0 at anfield under MON with his strongest side i thought it was a valid point
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We were robbed. Carruthers was clearly fouled.
Gerrard and Suarez both went down in the box in the first half without being touched and neither were booked, but i suppose it takes more bottle to book a 17 year old who'd only been on the pitch for 2 minutes than a Liverpool player at home.
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Well i think people should give him a break. If MON had got a result at anfield with a battling performance playing 7 youngsters everyone would be patting him on the back. I get it, you want Mcleish gone but please try and show some perspective.
Ahh Greg mentions MON.
Again.
well seeing we got turned over 5-0 at anfield under MON with his strongest side i thought it was a valid point
It is. McLeish has made numerous errors this season but given what he had to work with he got it right. The players worked their balls off for him today, and Collins, Warnock and Lichaj were superb the back. Baker was very solid and even Hutton put in a display. Given was simply spectacular at times.
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Well i think people should give him a break. If MON had got a result at anfield with a battling performance playing 7 youngsters everyone would be patting him on the back. I get it, you want Mcleish gone but please try and show some perspective.
Ahh Greg mentions MON.
Again.
well seeing we got turned over 5-0 at anfield under MON with his strongest side i thought it was a valid point
We also won there 3-1 under MON but let's forget that one.
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Sour grapes from Daglish after the game. It would take an 'assassination' for his side to win a penalty apparently.
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Though the fighting spirit shown today was great, I think it may be a sign of how low our standards have got that we get overjoyed at the sight of it even though it really should be the bare minimum, and there were still such great failings in the performance, but that's just me.
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We were pretty awful today except for the first 10 nminutes, Lpool missed sitter after sitter.
Credit to the guys than ran themselves into the ground.
We got lucky, we got a point.
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Well i think people should give him a break. If MON had got a result at anfield with a battling performance playing 7 youngsters everyone would be patting him on the back. I get it, you want Mcleish gone but please try and show some perspective.
Ahh Greg mentions MON.
Again.
well seeing we got turned over 5-0 at anfield under MON with his strongest side i thought it was a valid point
We also won there 3-1 under MON but let's forget that one.
We bloody should have done with the money he spent. anyway my main point was if Mcleish wanted to put in a gutless negative performance against liverpool then he only has to watch the video to that game
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I couldn't care less what McLeish says. He's just put out one of the most inexperienced Villa teams ever and got a point at a ground where better managers than he have been turned over.
Agree with this.
It's a hard worked for, valuable point for us.
Last 10 to 15 minutes were watched peeping through my fingers or biting my nails.
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I wish we didn't end up discussing pubehead at every opportunity. I dislike him as much as the next man but I'd just like to forget about him and not end up reading about him every fucking day.
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anyway my main point was if Mcleish wanted to put in a gutless negative performance against liverpool then he only has to watch the video to that game
he could have just cast his mind back to White Hart Lane this season....
We had a good result today against a Liverpool team who are bottom 3 in terms of premier league form in 2012.
More of the same required on Monday
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I'm happy and relieved because I thought we might get a hiding that would shatter any confidence we have for the remaining games. I totally agree with the concerns about ball retention and taking the game to the opposition more but let's be honest, it's all about just staying up now. As Damon said - a point is point, next.
Same here. I just wonder what would have happened if we had kept attacking in the second half instead of parking the bus.
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Went for a walk with the dog for 90 mins. Got two texts early on so I had a feeling we'd scored. Got no more texts for the rest of the walk, I feared a loss, at best a draw as I switched on the TV at 5pm. Happy with the point. Happy I didn't have to go through the torture and stress of hanging on for the point for 10 minutes.
Beat Stoke and we can relax.
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I'm happy and relieved because I thought we might get a hiding that would shatter any confidence we have for the remaining games. I totally agree with the concerns about ball retention and taking the game to the opposition more but let's be honest, it's all about just staying up now. As Damon said - a point is point, next.
Same here. I just wonder what would have happened if we had kept attacking in the second half instead of parking the bus.
To be fair i heard Mcleish was gesturing them to get forward 2nd half so i don't think that was his intention, more how the younger players reacted which is only natural given thier inexperience
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Happy with the point & how the team battled, would have settled for that before the game. The only thing that matters at the moment is getting the points required to stay up as soon as possible.
Tactics would have been the same even if we had a full strength team.
We should be safe for this season.
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Just got back, so here's a few quick thoughts.............
How come it takes at least three dives for Suarez to get booked, yet Samir goes over once at gets carded ?
Kuyt ............. wow, how did he miss that early chance ?
Steeeeeevie Geeeeeee ............. I actually started to feel sorry for him being stuck out wide. And we think that our manager has strange tactics.
Even allowing for Carroll and Downing, Jordan Henderson might be the biggest waste of money of the lot.
I haven't seen video of the Liverpool goal yet, so I don't know who was to blame. If it wasn't Baker, then I'd make him my MOTM
People take the piss out of Man Utd for having fans from outside the area but they've got nothing on the Red-Scouse. I was amazed at the number of buses that I passed this far south. There was even a bus load of Liverpool fans from the Forest
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agree about baker. Thought he was arse last game but really stepped up today.
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The more I hear about it the more I want to see the Samir penalty incident. Bet MOTD don't show it. Bastards.
P.s. If Samir ever goes to the Mailbox I hope someone has warned him of the dangers of canals.
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There was contact but he did dive.
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I'm starting to wonder if Warnock might be better employed left midfield till we fuck him off at the end of the season, his judgement is terrible on the defensive side.
Warnock played really well at times for Blackburn in midfield, really surprised we haven't tried him out in midfield before. He is a dope defensively but can run his heart out in that position.
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I'm starting to wonder if Warnock might be better employed left midfield till we fuck him off at the end of the season, his judgement is terrible on the defensive side.
Warnock played really well at times for Blackburn in midfield, really surprised we haven't tried him out in midfield before. He is a dope defensively but can run his heart out in that position.
The one thing about Warnock is that he does throw himself about. I don't think he has a good football brain which is why he gets himself into so much trouble, and is a liability defensively. But his bravery helped set up the goal today, and maybe as an attacking option in midfield where his mistakes might be more hidden, he can provide us with some much needed energy.
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Should be noted today that Lichaj played very well.....at Left back. I like this kid, played pretty well in two different positions in a week.
That gives us the option of Warnock and Herd in midfield on Monday. Dogs of war but will be needed against Stoke. Ireland can still play as the most advanced in the trio.
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Where's me keys?
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Samir Carruthers sounds like one of those made-up player names you get generated on Football Manager.
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Well done the kids as well as the old pros in Given and Warnock, shame we retreated a bit but a vital point!
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A point is more than I thought we'd get, so hats off. Points are all that matter now.
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Should be noted today that Lichaj played very well.....at Left back. I like this kid, played pretty well in two different positions in a week.
That gives us the option of Warnock and Herd in midfield on Monday. Dogs of war but will be needed against Stoke. Ireland can still play as the most advanced in the trio.
Agree, I have been impressed every time I have seen him, a couple of times today they showed close ups of him closing down, gets just the right distance and body shape, he is quick and comfortable with both feet, really looks the part.
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Not sure what the relevance is of comparing previous visits to Anfield and especially under GH last year. One on one comparisons are pointless, circumstances change. If we're going to go there then GH went there with a more experienced team, but none of them were his signings, and some were already rebelling against his methods. And he wasn't up against a Liverpool side on its worst run since 1954. It's team that recently lost to QPR and Wigan. A point is more than welcome but I'm not sure we should get too excited about a draw that owed a lot to desperate defending and some woeful Liverpool finishing, even allowing for the inexperience of the team.
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Not sure what the relevance is of comparing previous visits to Anfield and especially under GH last year. One on one comparisons are pointless, circumstances change. GH went there with a more experienced team, but none of them were his signings, and some were already rebelling against his methods. And he wasn't up against a Liverpool side on its worst run since 1954.
We lost 6-1 at Klanfield that season.
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The more I hear about it the more I want to see the Samir penalty incident. Bet MOTD don't show it. Bastards.
P.s. If Samir ever goes to the Mailbox I hope someone has warned him of the dangers of canals.
Hope they show Stan's 19th minute of applause too.
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Not sure what the relevance is of comparing previous visits to Anfield and especially under GH last year. One on one comparisons are pointless, circumstances change. GH went there with a more experienced team, but none of them were his signings, and some were already rebelling against his methods. And he wasn't up against a Liverpool side on its worst run since 1954.
We lost 6-1 at Klanfield that season.
Oh well that's alright then, McLeish is a genius after all.
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you're right i suppose about comparing different teams and results, but at the end of the day in 9 out of 10 seasons getting a result at anfield is good is it not? and given the team we fielded was threadbare and inexperienced, I would say that overall its worth more than the grudging acknowledgement most people can manage because of who's in the dugout. The kids at least deserve a bit better IMO
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Happy with todays results.
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And he wasn't up against a Liverpool side on its worst run since 1954.
We lost 6-1 at Klanfield that season
Eric Houghton Out!!
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Just watching MOTD - you can tell how Liverpool have done just by the expression on Hansen and Lawrenson's face. Funny thing is as they get older they become more not less one eyed about their beloved though I suppose with their mate in charge it is hard to stomache. Then again Hansen did describe Downing as a potential world beater after he played well v Cardiff. Tool!
They are a (much) poorer version of us under MON.
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Never heard an Anfield crowd so quiet,says it all.
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Samir Carruthers sounds like one of those made-up player names you get generated on Football Manager.
To me the name Carruthers conjures up images of Agatha Christie characters.
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PWS: it's...
A weh mi keyz? A weh mi fone?
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I like how the commentator was sure the Racists penalty shouts were all penalties, while the Carruthers one "could" have been one. Knob jockey.
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Whereas Lawrenson says that Carruthers' was the most likely.
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PWS: it's...
A weh mi keyz? A weh mi fone?
Watched BGT tonight? I had to watch it. Freaking relatives who like programmes I don't.
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This Pro-Scouse MOTD bullshit is farcical. Unfortunately for them they had to admit that we should have had a penalty at the end or else they'd have slaughtered the ref.
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PWS: it's...
A weh mi keyz? A weh mi fone?
Thought i'd got away with sneaking that into the post-match thread.
Annoyingly catchy though.
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PWS: it's...
A weh mi keyz? A weh mi fone?
Thought i'd got away with sneaking that into the post-match thread.
Annoyingly catchy though.
It's been all over my facebook. Pisses me off no end.
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Number 1 soon?
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The first one on Suarez was a penalty but when you've got a reputation for being a diving cheating horrible little ****** then there'll be doubts in the referee's mind every time the little twat goes down, the Lichaj handball was never a penalty, he was'nt even looking, ours was a blatant penalty but we were never going to get it after the Scousers had been crying self pity all game long, shame the ref booked the young lad though as he definately was'nt cheating.
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Number 1 soon?
Novelty hit of the summer I would have thought.
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That was very rude of Linekar to break up Hansen/Lawrenson debate on Liverpool by asking a opinion on Villa.
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That was very rude of Linekar to break up Hansen/Lawrenson debate on Liverpool by asking a opinion on Villa.
Watch out for Hansen & "Lawro" t-shirts worn by the players as they warm up at Wembley.
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That was very rude of Linekar to break up Hansen/Lawrenson debate on Liverpool by asking a opinion on Villa.
Damn right, should be replaced by Robbie Fowler.
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Why didn't they ask Kenny about all the potential penalties?
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Why didn't they ask Kenny about all the potential penalties?
I'd have loved it if a reporter had the balls to ask "were you lucky to get a point today after the blatant penalty for Villa was turned down at the end?"
I reckon the reaction would have been a sight to behold.
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I'm not sure it was Lichaj who handled the ball - it looked like it was Kuyt. It was difficult to see on the replay, so it wouldn't have been obvious to the referee.
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The Suarez one was a dive. There was slight contact from Hutton, but, amazingly, despite the best efforts of various wankers, football remains a contact sport. And it's only a foul if the contact was sufficient to impede him or trip him. It wasn't, he felt it, made a meal of it and dived. Arguably you could say similar about the Carruthers one, clear contact, more than against Suarez, but I doubt it was enough to trip him. Interesting that it didn't even make into the Sky football first version of the game. I don't see how the Lichaj one could be deliberate since he had his back to where the ball was coming from. Maybe he's got eyes in the back of his head. And wee Jimmy Krankie is a miserable, po-faced, one eyed, sour grapes munching arsehole.
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I'm not sure it was Lichaj who handled the ball - it looked like it was Kuyt. It was difficult to see on the replay, so it wouldn't have been obvious to the referee.
Looked to me like both did, but as the ball was behind Lichaj when it hit his hand there was no way it was deliberate. Unless he has eyes in the back of his head.
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I'm not sure it was Lichaj who handled the ball - it looked like it was Kuyt. It was difficult to see on the replay, so it wouldn't have been obvious to the referee.
I don't see how Lichaj could have handled deliberately, he had his back to it for starters.
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you're right i suppose about comparing different teams and results, but at the end of the day in 9 out of 10 seasons getting a result at anfield is good is it not? and given the team we fielded was threadbare and inexperienced, I would say that overall its worth more than the grudging acknowledgement most people can manage because of who's in the dugout. The kids at least deserve a bit better IMO
I suppose because of Liverpool's reputation and recent history Anfield is still a daunting prospect, especially to younger players, despite their recent poor form. So you probably make a fair point.
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you're right i suppose about comparing different teams and results, but at the end of the day in 9 out of 10 seasons getting a result at anfield is good is it not? and given the team we fielded was threadbare and inexperienced, I would say that overall its worth more than the grudging acknowledgement most people can manage because of who's in the dugout. The kids at least deserve a bit better IMO
I suppose because of Liverpool's reputation and recent history Anfield is still a daunting prospect, especially to younger players, despite their recent poor form. So you probably make a fair point.
You only have to look at the "stuck in time for two decades" expressions on the faces of Hansen and Lawro to realise how outmoded peoples' attitudes to Liverpool are.
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Why didn't they ask Kenny about all the potential penalties?
He is turning in to a great pragmatic leader these days. He predicted that "A Liverpool player will have to be assassinated before they get a penalty"
He has no prospective of anything whatsoever!
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Why didn't they ask Kenny about all the potential penalties?
He is turning in to a great pragmatic leader these days. He predicted that "A Liverpool player will have to be assassinated before they get a penalty"
Fine by me, it's not like they've not got a decent sized list of potential candidates.
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Number 1 soon?
It will be definitively be a worldwide one hit wonder.
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Why didn't they ask Kenny about all the potential penalties?
He is turning in to a great pragmatic leader these days. He predicted that "A Liverpool player will have to be assassinated before they get a penalty"
He has no prospective of anything whatsoever!
Lets assasinate Suarez then and let the ****** have a penalty.
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They've also still only lost twice at home this season, so aren't quite the walkover some seem to think they are now we got a point there.
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Dalglish really is a craggy faced, whingeing, "not my fault" ****** of the highest order.
The only vaguely entertaining thing about this entire season has been his expensive march into mediocrity with that horrible fucking club.
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The bloke is in a time warp, when A Lpool player only had to fall over to get a pen and it was impossible for the away team to even think about getting one. I love seeing Lpol fail.
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Let's be fair here. When Lawro was asked on FiveLive about the Suarez and Lichaj penalties he gave his view and immediately mentioned the fact that Samir's was also a penalty. And they also showed it on MOTD and made a point of claiming it was a valid shout. They may be old and craggy Hansen and Lawrensen). They may bleed Liverpool. But they were also fair about that.
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There's nothing more satisfying than watching 'King' Kenny's ludicrous attempts to re-write actual events with his own fictitious version of events. He does this of course to distract the Liverpool faithful from the truth that he has wasted £100m+ of the clubs money on shite. You only have to look at how he handled the Suarez / Evra incident to understand how completely out of touch he is.
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The bloke is in a time warp, when A Lpool player only had to fall over to get a pen and it was impossible for the away team to even think about getting one. I love seeing Lpol fail.
To paraphrase, ironically, Liverpool supporter Kevin Sampson, the game Dalglish watches every week took place in 1988.
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I think Liverpool are in serious decline. It's an awful pity we didn't kick on the year we finished ahead of them (2010). We should be competing with the likes of them, especially when you look at the crop of youngsters we have coming through. They have wasted so much money on very average players.
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I think Liverpool are in serious decline. It's an awful pity we didn't kick on the year we finished ahead of them (2010). We should be competing with the likes of them, especially when you look at the crop of youngsters we have coming through. They have wasted so much money on very average players.
Haven't we both
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I think Liverpool are in serious decline. It's an awful pity we didn't kick on the year we finished ahead of them (2010). We should be competing with the likes of them, especially when you look at the crop of youngsters we have coming through. They have wasted so much money on very average players.
Haven't we both
No signing made by anyone else in history compares with the combined £55m for Carroll and Henderson (I pick both because I can't decide which was worst so I've called it a tie). Our only one that comes close to that level is Davies.
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Dalglish ballsed up the Newcastle job with a lot of money and some top players, so I never understood the want to have him back there from the fans, and amusingly they are now stuck with him and the shit he has paid stupid, stupid money for. You can see why MON wanted the job so much.... masses of money to spend on mediocre players with a few good ones that were there before he started.
Today, despite form and all that, was a brilliant result for us.
It will however, have the shine taken off somewhat if we capitulate to Stoke on Monday.
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I'm not sure it was Lichaj who handled the ball - it looked like it was Kuyt. It was difficult to see on the replay, so it wouldn't have been obvious to the referee.
I don't see how Lichaj could have handled deliberately, he had his back to it for starters.
Warnock hand balled at the Anfield Road End but it was accidental, of course.
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I think Liverpool are in serious decline. It's an awful pity we didn't kick on the year we finished ahead of them (2010). We should be competing with the likes of them, especially when you look at the crop of youngsters we have coming through. They have wasted so much money on very average players.
Haven't we both
No signing made by anyone else in history compares with the combined £55m for Carroll and Henderson (I pick both because I can't decide which was worst so I've called it a tie). Our only one that comes close to that level is Davies.
And throw another 20 million for hamster bollocks and that's 75 million.
They'll do well to finish 7th now. Lovely stuff....
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Watched the game in the early hours over here, was impressed with the committment especially by Collins and Ireland but for once the luck was with us. When will it get through their heads that if you defend deep you will invariably suffer the consequences. Doesn't change my mind one bit about Alex, this was one of his better days that's all. After they equalised i couldn't stand the tension and switched over to watch the Chelsea game.
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I've studied the penalty incidents in some detail; and reached the conclusion that everyone on the Kop can take turns sucking my balls.
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I've studied the penalty incidents in some detail; and reached the conclusion that everyone on the Kop can take turns sucking my balls.
He's took a sore one there
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I thought we were pretty lucky not to get soundly beaten but I'll take a draw at Anfield all day long.
Second half we really need to get Ireland on the ball and keep it but the lack of experience showed.
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I've studied the penalty incidents in some detail; and reached the conclusion that everyone on the Kop can take turns sucking my balls.
Even the police dogs?
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Great goalkeeping from Given. Some excellent stopping from Collins. Midfield was always going to be hard to control and I thought Gabby was getting pushed into the corners a bit much for his liking.
All in all a point that most of us would have wanted before kick off. The second half especially was a hard hard fight and glad that the lads hung on even with the 5 mins injury time.
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I was about to eat humble pie after my pre match prediction of between 3 and 5 conceded. Then I watched the highlights and realised we could have easily shipped that many.
Good result tho especially with the results in other games.
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Great performance by team, Given and Collins, in particular, have been irreducible in defence of the goal. But also Lichay, Herd and Bannan prove that they are ready for the first team. And I have appreciated even the spirit with which AML knocked his chest saying: with the heart.
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Goals, highlights and interviews (http://www.101greatgoals.com/goals/live-goal-updates-liverpool-v-aston-villa/)
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Happy with the point but my god , we were shit. Again. Can't believe so many people are being deceived by the result alone. If we had to replay that game tomorrow and the dippers scored first we'd have lost by 3 or 4.
And as for those saying we were robbed by the Carruthers penalty shout, get real.
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I think Liverpool are in serious decline. It's an awful pity we didn't kick on the year we finished ahead of them (2010). We should be competing with the likes of them, especially when you look at the crop of youngsters we have coming through. They have wasted so much money on very average players.
Haven't we both
Been saying for ages that they, this season, are us from about 3 or 4 seasons ago. Rich american owner but not quite rich enough to make the leap to top four, therefore having to pay vastly over inflated prices for extremely mediocre English talent. Some days they look as if they could make it and play some great stuff but underneath you know it is never quite going to work for any sustained length of time
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I think, with the resources available over the last 2 or 3 weeks, McL has done well.Good team selection, good set up, and good use of substitutions.We had no natural wide players yday, and the reason why we kept giving the ball away was because we had no width.And yet for all their superiority, Given only had to make 2 or 3 proper saves.
We also saw 2 or 3 young lads grow up.Baker looks comfortable at this level,as does GG.Weimann looks as if he has ability, partic last week, and Erics got a couple of games under his belt as well.Carruthers showed in his brief stint, that hes not overawed.9 out of 16 squad yday, came through the youth set up.
Good point, beat Stoke and we are safe
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Liverpool could have had 3 pens, hit the woodwork 3 times, missed an absolutely unbelievable sitter and forced 3 really good saves from given.
We could have put in exactly the same performance, lost 5-1, and this board would have been full of comments about how the kids just aren't good enough, bannan can't keep the ball, lichaj and baker were pulled all over the place, etc.
A really good result, especially given the side we were able to put out. But we're still a prett shit team and playing too many of the kids still leave us at risk of relegation, if not this year then next.
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3 pens?......Suarez, no more than Carruthers, Kuyt..no, Herd, no.So possibly one pen each.
Suarez.....£25m striker, hits inside of post, and Gven saves, apart from that don't remember a time when Given was beaten.
Instead of bemoaning the fact that we got a point, look at their resources in comparrison to ours.They spent £120m in the summer, and to be quite frank did'nt look it.Downing and Henderson look way off the pace, Gerrard has'nt long left, Carroll is one dimensional, and Suarez will be off in the summer.
Overall, McL used his resources better than KD, and he should be applauded for that.Does'nt matter if they deserved to win, they did'nt, and it was down to a good defensive performance.
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9 out of 16 squad yday, came through the youth set up.
You cannot understate this. Look at Liverpool's squad and what it cost both in fees and wages and then compare it to what McLeish had to put out.
This was a very good point.
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Happy with the point but my god , we were shit. Again. Can't believe so many people are being deceived by the result alone. If we had to replay that game tomorrow and the dippers scored first we'd have lost by 3 or 4.
And as for those saying we were robbed by the Carruthers penalty shout, get real.
If only, eh?
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I have lost count of the times that we have shipped three goals against Liverpool but the McLeish Minors didn't let us down yesterday.
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Didn't see the game, but I saw the team we put out so I assume it was backs against the walls stuff. Under the current circumstances survival is that matters so fair enough. However we need to actually take teams on in future.
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Didn't see the game, but I saw the team we put out so I assume it was backs against the walls stuff. Under the current circumstances survival is that matters so fair enough. However we need to actually take teams on in future.
I hate to make any player a scapegoat, but maybe Hesky should be on the bench. I think that he adds nothing in the current set up.