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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: ROBBO on March 31, 2012, 10:12:33 PM
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We desperately need a couple of Robbie Keanes to get us through this nightmare, is there anyone that we could get in for the rest of the season.
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in a nutshell No !
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It's a good job he did come in, his goals could be crucial come May
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there must be some guy who can come in for 7 games, and lend a hand in the midfield.
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As I've suggested on another thread - Ian Taylor
He's not that old! Would set a good eg to the young lads.
Why can't we recall Makoun or Delph?
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I'd take McCann currently. Just need an old hand with a bit of experience
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As I've suggested on another thread - Ian Taylor
He's not that old! Would set a good eg to the young lads.
Why can't we recall Makoun or Delph?
Aren't they both injured?
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McCann had to retire with his knees shot though didn't he?
A word in the ear of Steven Davis agent to take the cut at Rangers and sign him up!
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Gotta be experienced midfielder with a bit of bite who's out of contract. Don't mind if he's got dodgy knees. Who retired last season? that there Paul Scholes.
oh.
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That Diarra that Jol managed to lay his mits on looks a good enough player to walk into our side.
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Yep he would have been ideal.
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Where is Makoun?
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What's Pires up to these days?
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well i think Makoun would hesitate to describe himself as a Stan replacement but you're right we could do with him back
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Makoun isn't injured but i'm guessing we don't have a recall option?
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Makoun would have been very useful over the last 3 months or so. I just don't get that when January came, and Jenas was done for the season, we did not go out and get an extra midfield body to see us through on loan.
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I think we're going to have to hope some of our injured get back:
Petrov, Dunne, Bent and Delph are out for the season. As is Jenas.
I don't think we can recall Makoun even if he was fit.
So we're looking at N'Zogbia, Cuellar, Clark, Hutton (although Lichaj should keep his place) to get back into action.
We're really fucked if we get one or two more injuries.
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In all seriousness is it worth sticking Hutton in at left back and moving Warnock into the middle of the park. Best I have ever seen him play was there at VP for Blackburn.
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Makoun is fit isn't he? He's played 8 games in the last 6 weeks.
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In all seriousness is it worth sticking Hutton in at left back and moving Warnock into the middle of the park. Best I have ever seen him play was there at VP for Blackburn.
Again not the worst shout in the world, we can't be much worse. I really wish Makoun was here now.
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Robbie Savage. Not long retired, and if we went down we could blame him
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In all seriousness is it worth sticking Hutton in at left back and moving Warnock into the middle of the park. Best I have ever seen him play was there at VP for Blackburn.
Warnock in midfield is a good shout!
Lichaj can play at left back too - I think he does for the USA. And Stevens and Baker can play left back too.
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I'll do it *puts on jockstrap*
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gotta do something. Chelsea are hardly a Dogs of war side. I can see us getting mullured in midfield by the more physical sides
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Gary Mac to return as player manager.
Two birds, one stone.
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Any chance Lee didn't sign a contract when he moved to R***itch?
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Makoun is at Olympiacos, fit and playing. Looked very good in a recent Euro game I saw.
I can't understand why we sent him there in the first place. Better than Jenas, who was always going to be off to the treatment room like a rat up a drainpipe.
I wouldn't mind that CB who plays for Olympiakos back here either. Too late, of course.
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Makoun and Hendrie, back for a last hurrah. Let's do it.
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In all seriousness is it worth sticking Hutton in at left back and moving Warnock into the middle of the park. Best I have ever seen him play was there at VP for Blackburn.
Warnock in midfield is a good shout!
Lichaj can play at left back too - I think he does for the USA. And Stevens and Baker can play left back too.
bottom of the barrel stuff with Warnock in midfield. Stevens hasnt played a first team game yet and Baker isnt remotely good enough.
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It's obvious Jeskey.
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nothing wrong on playing the kids as long as they are played in the correct positions,it's a shame Cuellar was injured for yesterday as I'm sure 2 of their goals wouldn't have happened.The big problem we have as we all know is McLeish can't set up the team properly and continues to make the same basic errors game after game and as for his motivational skills they don't exist .
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I would like a goalkeeper who is more than a shotstopper, who does not live in the comfort zone of being first name on the team sheet every week and who commands the six yard box.
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Thought we looked better with Guzan in goal , never thought I'd say that but he seemed to have a greater presence ,his dealing with crosses had improved and his kicking/distribution was better .
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Given should be dropped, Guzan is far more commanding.
How long is Clark away from fitness?
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In all seriousness is it worth sticking Hutton in at left back and moving Warnock into the middle of the park. Best I have ever seen him play was there at VP for Blackburn.
Warnock in midfield is a good shout!
Lichaj can play at left back too - I think he does for the USA. And Stevens and Baker can play left back too.
bottom of the barrel stuff with Warnock in midfield. Stevens hasnt played a first team game yet and Baker isnt remotely good enough.
You are wrong!
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In all seriousness is it worth sticking Hutton in at left back and moving Warnock into the middle of the park. Best I have ever seen him play was there at VP for Blackburn.
Warnock in midfield is a good shout!
Lichaj can play at left back too - I think he does for the USA. And Stevens and Baker can play left back too.
bottom of the barrel stuff with Warnock in midfield. Stevens hasnt played a first team game yet and Baker isnt remotely good enough.
You are wrong!
Baker had a bit of a mare yesterday - I said on the match thread that he looked very nervous at the beginning - but it is not a performance on which I'd judge his future as a P'ship CB.
Two things: (i) we are still absolutely crap at both ends of the pitch on set pieces, and this has been going on for almost 2 years! - whcih begs the question why McLueless and his coaching staff have not addressed this; (ii) as I said on the match thread yesterday, he set the team up all wrong - BB and GG are not wingers and we should have played a narrow MF 3 (of BB, GG and Herd) with Ireland behind GA and AW.
Both issues point at poor managerial decision-making and questionnable coaching-agendas.
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In all seriousness is it worth sticking Hutton in at left back and moving Warnock into the middle of the park. Best I have ever seen him play was there at VP for Blackburn.
Warnock in midfield is a good shout!
Lichaj can play at left back too - I think he does for the USA. And Stevens and Baker can play left back too.
bottom of the barrel stuff with Warnock in midfield. Stevens hasnt played a first team game yet and Baker isnt remotely good enough.
You are wrong!
Baker had a bit of a mare yesterday - I said on the match thread that he looked very nervous at the beginning - but it is not a performance on which I'd judge his future as a P'ship CB.
Two things: (i) we are still absolutely crap at both ends of the pitch on set pieces, and this has been going on for almost 2 years! - whcih begs the question why McLueless and his coaching staff have not addressed this; (ii) as I said on the match thread yesterday, he set the team up all wrong - BB and GG are not wingers and we should have played a narrow MF 3 (of BB, GG and Herd) with Ireland behind GA and AW.
Both issues point at poor managerial decision-making and questionnable coaching-agendas.
I think in fairness, FD, AMcL didn't have a lot of choice when it came to selection, and it's not far off from what many have been saying most of the season.
I can see exactly what you mean regarding the midfield, but Chelsea play with width so we had to have wider players.
If we'd have played with a narrow midfield 3 they would have been dragged out wide when Chelsea had the ball anyhow.
One thing this game did show, and that's how much we're going to miss Stan!
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I think in fairness, FD, AMcL didn't have a lot of choice when it came to selection, and it's not far off from what many have been saying most of the season.
I can see exactly what you mean regarding the midfield, but Chelsea play with width so we had to have wider players.
If we'd have played with a narrow midfield 3 they would have been dragged out wide when Chelsea had the ball anyhow.
One thing this game did show, and that's how much we're going to miss Stan!
Agree, Nige, re selection constraints; and about missing Stan.
The point about playing narrow is that - combined with a pressing game - we'd have limited the amount of wide ball that Chelsea would have managed. Adn we'd have had people playing in their most effective positions on the pitch ... but it's history now.
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I think Ive said this before but if not someone else has. McDuffs coaching staff must be the most inept we have had in a long time at VP. The trouble is that all managers bring in their mates so they will have someone to socialise with because its a stressful job whether you are successful or not.
I would bring Makoun back like a shot if we can. In my opinion McDuff treated him badly. I would also try Warnock in midfield at least he never hides even when he's shocking.
We are at the bottom of the barrel as far as players are concerned so what I would try for one match just in case it worked
is put Heskey at centre half next to Carlos and put James Collins at centre forward. What we need up front is someone who will battle for everything and Collins will certainly get stuck in.
In 1966(I think it was) Lew Chatterley was moved up front and scored fifteen league goals. We need something like that to happen.
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I'd be tempted to stick Warnock in there just for his experience. We've got no worries with Lichaj at either full-back position IMO. When is Hutton back?
Injuries pemitting I'd go with:
Given
Hutton
Cuellar
Collins
Lichaj
Bannan
Ireland
Warnock
Albrighton
Weimann
Gabby
At least there's a fair bit of first-team experience there.
N'Zog and Clark out for a while yet aren't they?
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Big mistake letting Makoun go and all I hear is
'Oh, well he was crap against Hereford.'
Really could have done with him yesterday, another bad decision by McFuckwit.
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Was it really his decision though. I could well imagine him asking for N'Zogbia and being told to lose a player first and makoun was the only one with any interest. Very similar to carlos' situation. He obviously rated him but he's out of contract so easier to get off the wage bill and someone wanted him. Can't run a team properly when the bean counters have the final say.
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Was it really his decision though. I could well imagine him asking for N'Zogbia and being told to lose a player first and makoun was the only one with any interest. Very similar to carlos' situation. He obviously rated him but he's out of contract so easier to get off the wage bill and someone wanted him. Can't run a team properly when the bean counters have the final say.
Yeah, because Zog and Makoun are so similar they're interchangeable.
Anyway, we sent Makoun out on loan and brought in Jenas on loan. That looks a pretty straightforward replacement to me, not being forced to get rid of someone - and Jenas is the inferior player.
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ah but we lost NRC as well so he must have freed up some money. as i said with the club being run by the bean counters they're not looking at like-for-like players, just like-for-like salaries
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No recall option on Makoun is inept beyond words. Him and Ireland would have helped us keep the ball much better. Herd is a journeyman at best in there and suffers without our captain.
I really feel there is not enough in the squad we have left available to keep us up. Now we've lost Stan, there is not a leader amongst them.
McLeish has been a bit unlucky with injuries generally but it's not these last 8 games that will nail us.
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Given should be dropped, Guzan is far more commanding.
Agree.We had our best run of form with Guzan in goal
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Given should be dropped, Guzan is far more commanding.
Agree.We had our best run of form with Guzan in goal
For me it's all about distribution. Given potentially increases the number of shots he'll have to save by his constant long kicking. Brad seems to prefer throwing, which is particularly good as his drive to command his area is also somewhat confidence building.
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Bottom line is they've been bottle feeding this one-in one-out bullshit for the last year and it doesn't add up
brad - Given
L. Young = Hutton
a. Young = Zogbia
Downing =
NRC = Jenas??
Makoun = Keane??
Beye = Stevens
by my reckoning even if we're still paying Jenas' wages they're still saving over a 100k a week at least
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Big mistake letting Makoun go and all I hear is
'Oh, well he was crap against Hereford.'
Really could have done with him yesterday, another bad decision by McFuckwit.
That was a really early sign by McCleish that he's pretty clueless by letting Jean the second go. We were already light in midfield,now were completley screwed. Unless it was desperate cost cutting excercise to get Jenas in,im not sure how much of Jeans wages Olympiacos pay.
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I'd be tempted to stick Warnock in there just for his experience. We've got no worries with Lichaj at either full-back position IMO. When is Hutton back?
Injuries pemitting I'd go with:
Given
Hutton
Cuellar
Collins
Lichaj
Bannan
Ireland
Warnock
Albrighton
Weimann
Gabby
At least there's a fair bit of first-team experience there.
N'Zog and Clark out for a while yet aren't they?
I'm reluctant to see BB and Ireland in the same MF; doesn't work for me. So I'd go with:
Given
Hutton
Cuellar
Collins
Lichaj
Warnock
Herd
Gardner
Ireland
Gabby
Weimann
Pressing game with a tight MF three is the order of the day when without the ball. With the ball. look for the FB to attack the width; also Weimann and Gabby making space through the middle for Ireland to attack.
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there must be some guy who can come in for 7 games, and lend a hand in the midfield.
Mo Diarra was available but went to Fulham.
Wasn't Bolo Zenden on trial at Blackburn a while back?
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there must be some guy who can come in for 7 games, and lend a hand in the midfield.
Mo Diarra was available but went to Fulham.
Wasn't Bolo Zenden on trial at Blackburn a while back?
I'll dust my boots off and get the next flight over.... :)
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Where is Delfenouso? Injured?
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Like you.I remember Lew Chatterley being played up front. he had a tremendous shot on him. trouble is, we ended up getting relegated
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Warnock into midfield may be scraping the barrel, but he has played pretty well there for over half a season at Blackburn, and also started there as a kid, and was moved to left back after playing left side midfield once he got towards the first team at Liverpool.
He and Herd in front of the back 4, with Albrighton and Gabby wide, Ireland in the hole, Collins up front and Heskey in the back 4 then?
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Herd was exposed yesterday. Plenty of endeavour but just doesn't have the quality on the ball that we need in there especially with Stan out.
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Interesting debate about Makoun, he is the exact opposite of what our manager wants on the field, a football stylist. To think i am worrying about a result against Bolton just shows how nfar we have sunk. Any day now the weakened by injuries excuse is going to rear its ugly head, totally disallusioned by everything associated with the Villa except the supporters.
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Dig your boots out Dennis Mortimer. Your club needs you.
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Herd was exposed yesterday. Plenty of endeavour but just doesn't have the quality on the ball that we need in there especially with Stan out.
....don't you think that may come with a few more games? that said, we don't have a few more games.... ;(