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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Fergal on March 31, 2012, 08:16:39 PM
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Why can't I lift this feeling of doom and gloom? I have become a really negative twat, always expecting the worst and even sounding like I want it. The Petrov issue aside I have had a really scary shit sense of doom and gloom all season.
I suppose I am just shit scared about relegation...
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Because it's doomy and it's gloomy?
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Because there just aren't enough threads to say the same thing?
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That'll be the McLeish effect.
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Because there just aren't enough threads to say the same thing?
Yeah, the breast-beating and general wailing and gnashing of teeth means that the personal grieving over this season is being exaggerated to the power of 'n'.
I suppose we're all in this together.
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I feel genuinely upbeat after today, the support we gave to Petrov coupled with the attachment I felt to our team of academy products has left me rather positive.
Also I'm fairly certain I'm still pumped full of adrenaline from the Lichaj goal, so please ignore me.
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I feel genuinely upbeat after today, the support we gave to Petrov coupled with the attachment I felt to our team of academy products has left me rather positive.
Also I'm fairly certain I'm still pumped full of adrenaline from the Lichaj goal, so please ignore me.
I am as well. Despite the people who seem to think Chelsea strolled it, I saw a team that cost a fortune to assemble given a real run by a side that started with 7 academy players. Or maybe I imagined the amount of hoofing, desperate clearances etc by a Chelsea side who seemed to be time wasting even at 2-0 they were that much in control.
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I agree to a certain extent PWS,kids are the future.
Just think that accepting these things are excuses for failure,which we of a certain age have seen before obviously.
McLeish will never sit right with me,ever,ever.
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I feel genuinely upbeat after today, the support we gave to Petrov coupled with the attachment I felt to our team of academy products has left me rather positive.
Also I'm fairly certain I'm still pumped full of adrenaline from the Lichaj goal, so please ignore me.
I am as well. Despite the people who seem to think Chelsea strolled it, I saw a team that cost a fortune to assemble given a real run by a side that started with 7 academy players. Or maybe I imagined the amount of hoofing, desperate clearances etc by a Chelsea side who seemed to be time wasting even at 2-0 they that much in control.
Unfortunately though, we still lost. While at the same time, the likes of QPR and Bolton were winning again. I think we're now one of only a couple of teams who haven't won two games in a row all season.
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Blah! and Meh!
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A big part of the reason we lost was the ref. That's probably AM's fault as well.
Still, everyone has repeatedly said that they can stomach a defeat if there were enough positives from the performance. Or maybe they actually just like to moan a lot regardless.
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A big part of the reason we lost was the ref. That's probably AM's fault as well.
Still, everyone has repeatedly said that they can stomach a defeat if there were enough positives from the performance. Or maybe they actually just like to moan a lot regardless.
Ha!Ha!It is always the ref is it not?!
Excuses,excuses.
You do not hear Fergie bleating with a poor Man Utd side who will win the league?
Quality management make it happen,not blame everyone else!
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Petrov thing has done for me. Up till then i was pretty sure we'd struggle through to the end of the season. as i said on the match thread, look at our bench today, there's nowt there to change things even if the manager was capable of doing it.
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A big part of the reason we lost was the ref. That's probably AM's fault as well.
Still, everyone has repeatedly said that they can stomach a defeat if there were enough positives from the performance. Or maybe they actually just like to moan a lot regardless.
You make it sound like there isn't ample cause for moaning.
What might do for us is not today, today was totally expected. It was lots of other games up to this point.
The problem is, the utility of being able to take something from games even when we lose is rapidly shrinking.
We need to be taking actual points.
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A big part of the reason we lost was the ref. That's probably AM's fault as well.
Still, everyone has repeatedly said that they can stomach a defeat if there were enough positives from the performance. Or maybe they actually just like to moan a lot regardless.
Ha!Ha!It is always the ref is it not?!
Excuses,excuses.
You do not hear Fergie bleating with a poor Man Utd side who will win the league?
Quality management make it happen,not blame everyone else!
So the ref didn't make an appalling decision that led to their third? Or do you just prefer to blame AM and no one else?
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A big part of the reason we lost was the ref. That's probably AM's fault as well.
Still, everyone has repeatedly said that they can stomach a defeat if there were enough positives from the performance. Or maybe they actually just like to moan a lot regardless.
I an unambiguous in who is to blame.
Alex 'Championship' McLeish
Ha!Ha!It is always the ref is it not?!
Excuses,excuses.
You do not hear Fergie bleating with a poor Man Utd side who will win the league?
Quality management make it happen,not blame everyone else!
So the ref didn't make an appalling decision that led to their third? Or do you just prefer to blame AM and no one else?
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The difference between them and their megamillions of Russian gold and us with our seven academy players on the field (eight if you include Cahill) was the referee. A draw would have been a fair result and set in proper context all the pluses about our club we witnessed today. A 2-4 defeat was not a true reflection on the game.
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The difference between them and their megamillions of Russian gold and us with our seven academy players on the field (eight if you include Cahill) was the referee. A draw would have been a fair result and set in proper context all the pluses about our club we witnessed today. A 2-4 defeat was not a true reflection on the game.
Considering that Brian,a fair comment,if we did have a manager who had a little nuance and aptitude to attack teams in certain ways at home we may have got a different result?
One dimension,one result.
Just my opinion.
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don't agree brian. We weren't in it for 70 minutes. Good spirit to fight back but then they just went up a gear
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A big part of the reason we lost was the ref. That's probably AM's fault as well.
Still, everyone has repeatedly said that they can stomach a defeat if there were enough positives from the performance. Or maybe they actually just like to moan a lot regardless.
I an unambiguous in who is to blame.
Alex 'Championship' McLeish
Ha!Ha!It is always the ref is it not?!
Excuses,excuses.
You do not hear Fergie bleating with a poor Man Utd side who will win the league?
Quality management make it happen,not blame everyone else!
So the ref didn't make an appalling decision that led to their third? Or do you just prefer to blame AM and no one else?
Yes or no to my question?
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i didnt see either team trying their nuts off for alot of the game, the teams on the pitch definitey reflected the result with everyone of them an international and nearly all of ours through the youth team.
i am proud of the way they went about their job but the result was probably expected!
but i also thought the referee was a damn disgrace and the result in the end was alot to do with the officiating.
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The ref didn't stop us defending corners.
Blaming today's result on the ref is missing the point spectacularly.
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Because there just aren't enough threads to say the same thing?
There is an element of truth in that Dave. In the last few years I have had enough personal grief to easily put 'The Villa' into perspective but I don't seem to be able to let it go.
Without going into too much detail the counsellor I had said that you can sometimes focus on the small things to stop you thinking about the big things. Perhaps that is what I am doing on here because I just cant think of the last positive thing I had to say about Villa.
Anyway feck it...
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Petrov thing has done for me. Up till then i was pretty sure we'd struggle through to the end of the season. as i said on the match thread, look at our bench today, there's nowt there to change things even if the manager was capable of doing it.
Albrighton came off the bench and made the equaliser.
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The difference between them and their megamillions of Russian gold and us with our seven academy players on the field (eight if you include Cahill) was the referee. A draw would have been a fair result and set in proper context all the pluses about our club we witnessed today. A 2-4 defeat was not a true reflection on the game.
Sorry but I disagree. Much as it pains me to say it, the plastic of all plastic Clubs, Chelsea F.C., deserved their win. They pretty much coasted through the game for 70 minutes and then went up a gear when required.
I'm as proud as any Villa fan with our acadamy players but let's not become deluded. There's plenty of supporters of other sides that do that.
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It is not deluded to say that, despite being outplayed for long spells in the game they stuck to their task much better than white flag Villa teams full of 60 grand a week men have done this season and got back to 2 all. I then saw a monumental piece of bad refereeing from a referee who had been giving Chelsea everything all day and it knocked them back again.
I am as depressed as everybody else at the very real threat of relegation and as rock certain as I have been from the start of the season that Alex McLeish is not a premiership quality manager BUT I came away from the game as another poster put it connected with that team of home grown triers.
The real pain, and I speak as a fan who followed them all the way down into the third division and back again will come next August when we are either still in the premiership and nothing has changed or we are in the championship and we have to endure McLeish strutting his stuff over one nil wins over Doncaster and Peterborough.
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I thought the team showed a lot of good promise, commitment and skill at times. Also a lot of naivety which would be expected from that line up. We were playing a team who has found form again under their boss.
A bit of luck and a bit more experience added to the line up and all looks good for the future, we'll just stay up and it will be season to forget. A few more signings like this Brett fella is needed though.
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Actually 'deluded' was a clumsey turn of phrase, but we still didn't deserve a point overall imo.
That's not to say we didn't battle harder than we have in many other games so far this season - we did.
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It boils my piss to think that ginger tw*t could keep his job if he takes us down,it's bad enough watching him stood there with his hands in his pockets during the games , did anyone else notice Kevin Mac have a word with him when Marc Albrighton sat back down on the bench? next minute he,s back up and on for the last 20.
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Quite irritated by fans who always find excuses for defeats. if we lost every match between now and the end of the season (a real possibility imo) I'm sure they would find an excuse for each defeat. Is that a consolation for relegation? Would they feel that we have been victims of perverse circumstance? Please get real - we're a crap side with a crap manager and we'll deserve everything that's coming to us.
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Supporters defending their team. Whatever next?
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We always get shit refs when we are losing...we have had a lot of shit refs this season...