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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: Legion on March 23, 2012, 07:43:26 PM
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Available Saturday evening.
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Bad luck Alec nearly got the perfect 0-2. A word that sums up that game and our club as whole nicely at the moment is 'Pointless'.
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You know things are bad when even Shay Given plays shite.
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Fuck off McLeish.
Fuck off.
FUCK OFF.
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Just seen Wenger shake hands with McLeish. You could hear the snigger from here.
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A game of two halves.
We were crap in both.
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I really really want to back McLeish. I really really really want him to do well.
So does the cock make it so hard? It's as though he does it on purpose. Heskey why? And this from someone who likes Emile. Weimann must be full of confidence so fucking play him. You have the fans support when you go for it and fight.
It's not rocket science you twunt.
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We came , we expected, we received!
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Disgraceful, when will Randy learn?
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We can't take anymore than this, McLiesh has to go, I know we say this after every game but we raise the white flag on the coach to games now, its beyond a joke.
Please please Mr McLiesh do the right thing not the money thing and resign you know it makes sense and you know its fair and honest to do that .
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A gutless team selection by McLeish, not helped by a card happy Dowd. If he thinks he's going to win people over by picking Heskey up front on his own and going for a 0-0 every time we play someone in the top ten then he's an imbecile.
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Others are getting some momentum. We could end up in the shit yet.
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He won't go. Not a prayer.
Another two seasons of this, at least, I reckon. The blokes job is safe as houses.
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I really really want to back McLeish. I really really really want him to do well.
So does the cock make it so hard? It's as though he does it on purpose. Heskey why? And this from someone who likes Emile. Weimann must be full of confidence so fucking play him. You have the fans support when you go for it and fight.
It's not rocket science you twunt.
I wanted to, I wanted to give him the chance. However he has ruined this job by himself and being a fucking idiot. Just fuck off Mcleish, if you have any dignity fuck off.
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McLeish Out You Let Us Down. Different Class.
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One-off performances aren't unforgiveable but looking beaten before you kick-off is.
McLeish is going nowhere so a case, I'm afraid, of muddling through until the summer and replacing some of the senior players who look far too comfortable just to pick up a salary with hungry players who want to play for Aston Villa.
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Did he not learn from the home game? We tried to win that game and, even though we lost, the fans can accept that. This was pathetic.
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Just fed up now, fed up of the club becoming a laughing stock, fed up of knowing the result before it happens, fed up of not being excited about watching the club I love play, I want my Aston Villa back, the team I loved going to Villa Park to watch, the team I knew were going to go out and give there all, because like me they lived for the club.
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Others are getting some momentum. We could end up in the shit yet.
Robbie Savage made a good case a while back in his prediction that Villa will be the surprise relegation, I thought at the time he made a good point, regardless of who he's played for, and I still think the same, Villa are playing the worst football in the division, we are truly playing like a relegation side.
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Others are getting some momentum. We could end up in the shit yet.
Correct - it ain't over yet.
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At least the bloke reading the scores on Final Score gave the result as 3-1. He must have felt sorry for us. But why does he read them like it's a reality show. Sounds like he's straining for a dump everytime he says the score.
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well might as well make a poignant statement being as this is my 1000 post....Fuck off McLeish
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Calm down. What we're we realistically expecting. Win the targeted games. That is our lot now.
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Much as i'm not a McL fan, you can't blame him for Gabby being shite, Petrov trult woeful, and Albrighton frightened.
Gabby needs to go for me.I can't remember the last time he played well tbh, and he certainly does'nt put a shift in.
Only positives for me were Ireland, Collins, Carlos apart from the goal was ok.Gardener and Weimann put some effort in when they came on, but we don't keep the ball well enough, and have too many lazy players.
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Did he not learn from the home game? We tried to win that game and, even though we lost, the fans can accept that. This was pathetic.
Every time this season he has had something, no matter how tenuous, but something to build on, he has fucked it up.
That comment about picking Heskey every time we play someone in the top ten is absolutely spot on, too.
The guy is a coward, and totally not up to the job, I'm afraid. Sadly, the same goes for the chairman, so we are stuck with it.
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I understand Heskey started today.
How well did he play? He is ace.
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Much as i'm not a McL fan, you can't blame him for Gabby being shite, Petrov trult woeful, and Albrighton frightened.
Gabby needs to go for me.I can't remember the last time he played well tbh, and he certainly does'nt put a shift in.
Only positives for me were Ireland, Collins, Carlos apart from the goal was ok.Gardener and Weimann put some effort in when they came on, but we don't keep the ball well enough, and have too many lazy players.
I blame McLeish for the tactics and the football.
Both are fucking abysmal.
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At least the bloke reading the scores on Final Score gave the result as 3-1. He must have felt sorry for us. But why does he read them like it's a reality show. Sounds like he's straining for a dump everytime he says the score.
His misses told me he's suffering from piles.
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If relegation gets rid of this ginger vermin then so be it. The club is a laughing stock top to bottom.
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Did he not learn from the home game? We tried to win that game and, even though we lost, the fans can accept that. This was pathetic.
Every time this season he has had something, no matter how tenuous, but something to build on, he has fucked it up.
That comment about picking Heskey every time we play someone in the top ten is absolutely spot on, too.
The guy is a coward, and totally not up to the job, I'm afraid. Sadly, the same goes for the chairman, so we are stuck with it.
Yep he shoots himself in the face all the time. Heskey, fucking Heskey. Our board and manager are about as incompetent as it gets.
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At least the bloke reading the scores on Final Score gave the result as 3-1. He must have felt sorry for us. But why does he read them like it's a reality show. Sounds like he's straining for a dump everytime he says the score.
and he announced Portsmouth City 0. I think being shown on screen has gone to his head!
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Calm down. What we're we realistically expecting. Win the targeted games. That is our lot now.
The problem is, we have had most of the targeted games, the "easy" run just after new year, and we didn't win many of those either.
His surrender tactics against the top half giants are one thing, but then there is his almost total inability to get three points against the poor sides, too.
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I understand Heskey started today.
How well did he play? He is ace.
His performance re asserted his reputation
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At least the bloke reading the scores on Final Score gave the result as 3-1. He must have felt sorry for us. But why does he read them like it's a reality show. Sounds like he's straining for a dump everytime he says the score.
and he announced Portsmouth City 0. I think being shown on screen has gone to his head!
Is he someone dragged in as it's Sports Relief or something? He just said "get in" after one scoreline.
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Much as i'm not a McL fan, you can't blame him for Gabby being shite, Petrov trult woeful, and Albrighton frightened.
Gabby needs to go for me.I can't remember the last time he played well tbh, and he certainly does'nt put a shift in.
Only positives for me were Ireland, Collins, Carlos apart from the goal was ok.Gardener and Weimann put some effort in when they came on, but we don't keep the ball well enough, and have too many lazy players.
You can't blame the players, the team is rudderless, we don't have a manager, nobody has a clue what they are supposed to do or how to do it, if we had a thinker in charge of the side and the players where crap I would fully agree with you, you have to lay blame in the right place and its not the players.
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Total Fuckball. Well done McCruff.
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I understand Heskey started today.
How well did he play? He is ace.
His performance re asserted his reputation
I'm delighted to learn that once again he hasn't shattered any illusions.
I so hope he is playing for Sunderland next season so I can start enjoying his spectacular fuckwittery again. He just makes me angry these days.
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Calm down. What we're we realistically expecting. Win the targeted games. That is our lot now.
and those targeted games are ?
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Does anybody really believe that the signing of Holman and a load of other Bosmans, will change anything?
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Calm down. What we're we realistically expecting. Win the targeted games. That is our lot now.
Calm down. What we're we realistically expecting. Win the targeted games. That is our lot now.
The problem is, we have had most of the targeted games, the "easy" run just after new year, and we didn't win many of those either.
His surrender tactics against the top half giants are one thing, but then there is his almost total inability to get three points against the poor sides, too.
The problem is, we have had most of the targeted games, the "easy" run just after new year, and we didn't win many of those either.
His surrender tactics against the top half giants are one thing, but then there is his almost total inability to get three points against the poor sides, too.
Unfortunately we are out of 'target' games, the run in is horrendous.
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Jeff Stelling says Villa could get dragged into it with 'an absolutely horrendous run of games to come'. Not that bad even for such a crap team.
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Much as i'm not a McL fan, you can't blame him for Gabby being shite, Petrov trult woeful, and Albrighton frightened.
Gabby needs to go for me.I can't remember the last time he played well tbh, and he certainly does'nt put a shift in.
Only positives for me were Ireland, Collins, Carlos apart from the goal was ok.Gardener and Weimann put some effort in when they came on, but we don't keep the ball well enough, and have too many lazy players.
Get real. Our current manager is fucking useless.
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Does anybody really believe that the signing of Holman and a load of other Bosmans, will change anything?
Not sure they might do a job in The Championship.
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I understand Heskey started today.
How well did he play? He is ace.
His performance re asserted his reputation
He went of after 10 seconds, he run himself ragged though for those 10 seconds.
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Does anybody really believe that the signing of Holman and a load of other Bosmans, will change anything?
Yes. Because if I didn't, what's the point?
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They tried to play football today, but their was poor quality, from Albrighton in partic, and no closing down i midfield, partic from Petrov.
Too lazy, and not enough quality, but we know that.Some of our supposed big names are getting away with too much atm hiding behind the vitriol directed towards the manager.Pertov is the club captain, but shows no leadership, endevour or indeed interest.Gabby looks lazy and disintereste as well.Ireland for all his faults, at least shows some bottle.
The manager might need to be changed, but some of our more popular players need to step up or go.
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It's no good pretending we are not in a relegation fight. We were in one as soon as we appointed this manager last summer.
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We are very clearly in trouble of relegation and anyone who thinks we're not is mad.
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Cuckoo!
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on this form it will be us QPR, Wolves going down...
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Sad to say I saw the team selection, Heskey back, didnt bother
trying to find a stream or listen. Another game we had given up on before we even
kicked off.
Its going to be close, but still think we will be ok!
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the terrible thing is that even relegation would not (necessarily) rid us of McCleish. After all, Faulkner / Lerner can point to his experience in getting teams promoted from the Championship...
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They tried to play football today, but their was poor quality, from Albrighton in partic, and no closing down i midfield, partic from Petrov.
Too lazy, and not enough quality, but we know that.Some of our supposed big names are getting away with too much atm hiding behind the vitriol directed towards the manager.Pertov is the club captain, but shows no leadership, endevour or indeed interest.Gabby looks lazy and disintereste as well.Ireland for all his faults, at least shows some bottle.
The manager might need to be changed, but some of our more popular players need to step up or go.
Can't agree, we know Gabby can play, we know for a fact there is decent football in Albrighton, we know that Petrov can put a decent shift in, we've all seen it many times, so what's the common denominator when it comes to pointing the finger of blame, these players are wondering around listless because there is total uncertainty about what they are supposed to do, you can see it at every angle every movement form every corner of the squad, and thats why you often see player looking so frustrated.
They simply don't know what they are supposed to do, you have to remember that most of these blokes where under MON who drove them on and get so much more out of them.
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We are very clearly in trouble of relegation and anyone who thinks we're not is mad.
Agree.
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McCluess has to go now, if only to give a new manager time to assess the players he wants to keep for next season.
This turgid, negative, passionless, shit has to stop.
Not scored a goal all season from a corner but conceded how many?
How many late goals have we conceded?
How many times do we have a throw in, and within 20 seconds our opponents are in possession of the ball?
Our movement and passing is worse than the year 8 team that I coach at school.
What the fuck do these players do all week at Bodymoor, they don't even look fit.
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One faint hope is Liverpool are not in great form maybe we could sneak a draw there ...
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Where to start? Comfortably beaten from start to finish. With the exception of a couple of breaks down the right very little in the way of us having a go.
What's more galling is being outworked. I don't mind watching us lose if we battle and have a go. Sadly lacking on both fronts today.
Only positive for me was Ireland. Constantly looked for the ball and when he had it sadly the others were statuesque.
Gardner and Weimann both tried when they came on. Why not start with them? Both appear to have some idea of what to do.
It's getting very difficult to defend McLeish. Today again looked like a let's try and not be beat performance. Arsenal are going to score goals past us. Why not try to score at the other end?
Very disillusioned right now.
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I think we were comfortably beaten before we even kicked off which is the part that really frustrates me. Bunch of surrender monkeys.
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on this form it will be us QPR, Wolves going down...
Another 3 or 4 points should see us safe...we got lucky this season. 3 of the bottom four will go.
Next season is a different story however...we'll drop ulness he goes.
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We are very clearly in trouble of relegation and anyone who thinks we're not is mad.
Agree.
I agree because we show no fight, Blackburn , Wigan and Bolton can all fight themselves out. We have nothing when the going gets tough
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There's a very good chance we won't get any points though. Other than Bolton(galvanised) and West Brom it looks very very tough.
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It is just a shame that we play damage limitation, before the damage has even been inflicted.
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on this form it will be us QPR, Wolves going down...
Wigan have still got to play Man Utd, Arsenal, Chelsea and Newcastle, and overhaul an 8 point gap and 21 goal difference. How likely is that? Not very.
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Szczesny needn't have come, to judge from the fact that Villa had not one single shot on target but half a dozen yellow cards. Hope for them they can get shot of McLeish at the end of the season. They deserve better and shouldn't have to be relegated in order to get it.
Not my words, those of an Arsenal fan on the comments following the match report on the Guardian. Pity from fans of teams who've just whupped us. Don't like it.
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Wigan go to Anfield and win. Blackburn did so at Old Trafford. What chance us doing similar with McLeish's ultimate damage limitation, Heskey is the answer approach? Less than zero I'd say. We are still in the relegation equation, because we haven;t a hope of nicking unlikely points, whilst the others have.
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A team selection designed to lose. Heskey - perhaps we would have done better if the idiot Dowd had sent him off for elbowing Djouru. Agbonlahor - useless. I know I will get swamped with fury for that statement but can somebody tell me how he justifies being in the team? History? Reputation? Promise? No, he is a spent force and we must acknowledge it.
Two down so McLeish does a straight sub for a full back. Damage limitation rather than going for it. Midfield today was non-existent. Arsenal were excellent but we made it easy for them to overrun us. Can't complain about the back four, indeed Warnock made the save of the match. But that was where the team ended - apart from Ireland who was worth ten out of ten there was nobody else worth counting.
How many bookings were there? Six? How many of them were even fouls at all. Perhaps two. Dowd even started to show Warnock a red card then realised and laughed it off, and that after Walcott had tackled Warnock waist high and the latter was in no position to foul him back. And does offside only apply to the away side at the Emirates?
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It is just a shame that we play damage limitation, before the damage has even been inflicted.
About sums it up for me.
Put McAndrew & Sid in charge till the end of the season. I will Guarantee they will do no worse than this fucking idiot we have in charge.
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Today's goals (http://www.101greatgoals.com/goals/live-goal-updates-arsenal-v-aston-villa/)
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Listening to the manager on WM it's clear that he doesn't have a care in the world, that he prepared for and expected a defeat and the way he spoke goes along way to explain the half hearted, couldn't really care attitude that is such a trademark of the club at the moment.
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Listening to the manager on WM it's clear that he doesn't have a care in the world, that he prepared for and expected a defeat and the way he spoke goes along way to explain the half hearted, couldn't really care attitude that is such a trademark of the club at the moment.
Well he can c*** off then
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Listening to the manager on WM it's clear that he doesn't have a care in the world, that he prepared for and expected a defeat and the way he spoke goes along way to explain the half hearted, couldn't really care attitude that is such a trademark of the club at the moment.
The attitude and demeanour of a man who knows his job is safer than Fort Knox.
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Listening to the manager on WM it's clear that he doesn't have a care in the world, that he prepared for and expected a defeat and the way he spoke goes along way to explain the half hearted, couldn't really care attitude that is such a trademark of the club at the moment.
I heard McLeish's interview on Friday and knew that he had already lost the game mentally. After a couple of weeks of feeling that we are safe from relegation I'm beginning to become concerned again. Apart from Wolves all of the other teams at the foot of the division are showing some fight - we on the other hand may as well just hand over 3 points for games like this and save our fans the expense and effort of going all the way to London to see us give up before the games started.
This attitude to games against what McLeish considers the 'elite' is deeply insulting and if he thinks he can still win over the support of the silent majority of Villa fans then he's as clueless as the spolit rich kid owner.
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My first game since the WBA game at VP and I'm glad to see I haven't missed much. I can only echo what others have said, we were utter toilet throughout and from the first whistle it was a case of "how many" for Arsenal.
We couldn't defend, we offered nothing going forward and in the rare moments we did get the ball we either gave it away, or gave it to Heskey, who had no one making an attacking run for him. Albrighton got in behind a few times, but again was all on his own so could do nothing.
I left after 87 mins (going to my brother's stag and decided to get an earlier train) and I'm shocked to read we had a shot on target. All I can recall is one over the bar from Albrighton first half, Weimann cutting it back when he should have shot and another blocked shot second half.
Heskey was kept on for far too long and Weimann did a lot more in his time on the pitch, offering us some movement up front. The midfield were non-existant and the defending was awful.
I still think we'll be alright, but only because there are 5 AWFUL teams in the league this year. Any other Premier League season, we'd be fucked.
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I don't know what can be added that hasn't already been said. I expected to lose but, as I said in the pre-match thread, hoped he'd change his tactics so at least we had a go. We ended up surrendering before the game started. Where do we go from here.
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Forgot to add, those pointing to Wigan's win at Anfield today seem to forget that we won at Stamford Bridge. I think we might nick a draw at Anfield in a few weeks and there's certainly points on offer at home to Sunderland, Stoke and Bolton.
But as I said, any other season, we'd be fucked... We need a change in the summer as history suggests that teams that "get away with it" tend to get their comeuppance the following term.
Disgraceful to be talking like this, when you consider the money we've spent and how much our manager earns. Our problems run much deeper than McLeish.
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How is it that we all knew, to a man, that the selection of Heskey was a huge mistake, yet our so called Manager can't?
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Is Faulkner's European prediction still on track?
The clowns on the pitch and in the boardroom can all do one. As it stands I'd turn down a £10 season ticket offer to renew and that's after 20 years.
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Deluded McCunt post match
"I felt we were always in the game, but their third killed us off"
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Deluded McCunt post match
"I felt we were always in the game, but their third killed us off"
Did he really say that?
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Deluded McCunt post match
"I felt we were always in the game, but their third killed us off"
Did he really say that?
I'm sorry to say, he did.
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Unbelievable. Totally clueless.
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Deluded McCunt post match
"I felt we were always in the game, but their third killed us off"
Fucking hell he genuinely needs some psychiatric checks.
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I think in the game in McLeish world means being on the pitch.
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Deluded McCunt post match
"I felt we were always in the game, but their third killed us off"
Time for the little yellow van with the square wheels methinks.
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If he really did say that then I want some of whatever it is he smokes.
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We delude ourselves at times. Gabby needs to leave,woeful today and no effort and he loves the Villa, Albrighton
championship level at best,Petrov too slow, could go on and on, we are not a team we are a rabble. The only way out of this mess is if the fans decide to make a stand and desert Villa park for a couple of games, a couple of gates of ten thousand would make Lerner take notice guaranteed.
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We might look safe with the 8 points between us and the bottom three, but nothing is certain the way we're playing and AM's team selection and strategy only heightens the risk. It's just as well there are so many crap teams at the bottom of the table.
AM trying to talk up our fortunate win last week is just an indication of his total lack of knowledge and understanding about the team and the fans concerns.
He has to go, but Randy won't be making that decision I fear.
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Having watched that dross, it's hard to see how we will gain another point. I'm beginning to believe that Robbie Savage was right after all.
I'm seriously fucking depressed.
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Deluded McCunt post match
"I felt we were always in the game, but their third killed us off"
He should be sacked for that alone. That is quite staggering. What game was he watching?
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Deluded McCunt post match
"I felt we were always in the game, but their third killed us off"
He should be sacked for that alone. That is quite staggering. What game was he watching?
Thing is that that is just another in a long line of post match quotes which are frankly delusional.
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Did he not learn from the home game? We tried to win that game and, even though we lost, the fans can accept that. This was pathetic.
Every time this season he has had something, no matter how tenuous, but something to build on, he has fucked it up.
That comment about picking Heskey every time we play someone in the top ten is absolutely spot on, too.
The guy is a coward, and totally not up to the job, I'm afraid. Sadly, the same goes for the chairman, so we are stuck with it.
1.068965517241379 goals per game will not only win you fuck all it will get you relegated...
This manager is a liability. I really wanted him to do well and at least get us in the hunt for a European slot but he is failing and needs to go now.
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Deluded McCunt post match
"I felt we were always in the game, but their third killed us off"
Did he really say that?
I'm sorry to say, he did.
Where did you hear it Mark? Radio WM?
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Deluded McCunt post match
"I felt we were always in the game, but their third killed us off"
Did he really say that?
I'm sorry to say, he did.
Where did you hear it Mark? Radio WM?
Pauliewalnuts in the match thread.
I think he got it from WM.
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Deluded McCunt post match
"I felt we were always in the game, but their third killed us off"
Did he really say that?
I'm sorry to say, he did.
But what does it mean?
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Deluded McCunt post match
"I felt we were always in the game, but their third killed us off"
Did he really say that?
I'm sorry to say, he did.
Where did you hear it Mark? Radio WM?
Pauliewalnuts in the match thread.
I think he got it from WM.
Cheers.
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To the family from Somerset we met today, you have both my sympathy and admiration.
Keep the faith.
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How is it that we all knew, to a man, that the selection of McLeish was a huge mistake, yet our so called Owner can't?
Fixed that for you.
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Deluded McCunt post match
"I felt we were always in the game, but their third killed us off"
He should be sacked for that alone. That is quite staggering. What game was he watching?
Thing is that that is just another in a long line of post match quotes which are frankly delusional.
If I turn up for work on Monday and was remotely as delusional about my performance as that I think I'd be gone. (I thought his performance after the Man City game would be his lowest point, but no, he continues to lie to himself and us).
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Yep that's what's weird, if I was so off about my performance in my job I'd be out on my arse.
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Deluded McCunt post match
"I felt we were always in the game, but their third killed us off"
Did he really say that?
I'm sorry to say, he did.
Where did you hear it Mark? Radio WM?
Pauliewalnuts in the match thread.
I think he got it from WM.
Cheers.
He's fucking mental. He comes up with such utter bollocks it beggars belief. It's no different than the shite he came out with after Man City. Something about the tactics working or similar nonsense. I've said this before that those of us still willing to give him a chance are being more and more alienated by his methods every day that goes by. I'll still give a pass because this still isn't his team, but fuck me, how much more can we take?
I sometimes think about stopping by a local hospital, being induced into a coma and having them wake me up in August. Off course I could ask the nurse how we ended up and be told our first games is against Derby or Barnsley.
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Deluded McCunt post match
"I felt we were always in the game, but their third killed us off"
Did he really say that?
I'm sorry to say, he did.
Where did you hear it Mark? Radio WM?
Pauliewalnuts in the match thread.
I think he got it from WM.
Cheers.
I'm pretty sure Paulie was taking the piss with that one, especially as it was posted whilst the match was still on.
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Now I've read the last couple of pages of the Match thread I think you're correct. Oops!
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How many season ticket holders will not renew if he stays? Shows how bad it is this season when you get your renewel forms in March!! It was always the last couple of weeks of the season when you got the reminder.
Personally i think we are in real trouble. The other sides around us have been there before, we havent and our players haven't. Wigan, Blackburn, Bolton and QPR forget Wolves. I said if we would have beaten Bolton last Tuesday we would have been safe, now it has been rearranged i can see the chance has gone. Bolton will be so up for it and Owen Coyle will have the determination to gee the players up! Keep thinking back to Bliues last season, just needed 1 win from their last 4 games and Mcleish couldn't help them do it. RIP
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Glad I said "if he said that" rather than just condemned him for something he didn't say.
I'd still like some of what he smokes though if he thinks picking Emile was a good move.
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He is an utter shitbag of a manager.
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There is nothing left in me now that is willing to give hm a chance. He had better be gone in the summer.
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There is nothing left in me now that is willing to give hm a chance. He had better be gone in the summer.
i would rather Villa be in the championship next season with another manager than start the prem with Mcliesh,
thats just the way i feel i know not many will agree but its the truth
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There is nothing left in me now that is willing to give hm a chance. He had better be gone in the summer.
i would rather Villa be in the championship next season with another manager than start the prem with Mcliesh,
thats just the way i feel i know not many will agree but its the truth
No you wouldn't. Relegation is the last thing anyone wants.
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Relegation? No thanks.
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There is nothing left in me now that is willing to give hm a chance. He had better be gone in the summer.
i would rather Villa be in the championship next season with another manager than start the prem with Mcliesh,
thats just the way i feel i know not many will agree but its the truth
No you wouldn't. Relegation is the last thing anyone wants.
no the last thing i want is to be stuck with Mcliesh, i dont want relegation but would take it over him.
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There is nothing left in me now that is willing to give hm a chance. He had better be gone in the summer.
i would rather Villa be in the championship next season with another manager than start the prem with Mcliesh,
thats just the way i feel i know not many will agree but its the truth
No you wouldn't. Relegation is the last thing anyone wants.
no the last thing i want is to be stuck with Mcliesh, i dont want relegation but would take it over him.
Sorry John. But with all due respect that's bollocks
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I wouldn't.
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There is nothing left in me now that is willing to give hm a chance. He had better be gone in the summer.
i would rather Villa be in the championship next season with another manager than start the prem with Mcliesh,
thats just the way i feel i know not many will agree but its the truth
No you wouldn't. Relegation is the last thing anyone wants.
no the last thing i want is to be stuck with Mcliesh, i dont want relegation but would take it over him.
Sorry John. But with all due respect that's bollocks
like i said, not many will agree, i knew that,
but i have gone in the last 5/6 years from being a season ticket holder to a regular attender to a semi regular to this season where i have been to one game (arsenal cup) and i have no intention of going again because its just rubbish,
i hear all the calls to support the team, but i just cant be bothered, its just not worth it, there is no excitment at all for me, and it will be the same next season with AM, so yes i would actually enjoy the Championship more with a different manager, and would certainly attend more games
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At least the bloke reading the scores on Final Score gave the result as 3-1. He must have felt sorry for us. But why does he read them like it's a reality show. Sounds like he's straining for a dump everytime he says the score.
and he announced Portsmouth City 0. I think being shown on screen has gone to his head!
Is he someone dragged in as it's Sports Relief or something? He just said "get in" after one scoreline.
It was professional voice-over man Peter Dickson who does the x factor amongst other things, Gabby Logan did indeed say it was for sports relief.
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There is nothing left in me now that is willing to give hm a chance. He had better be gone in the summer.
i would rather Villa be in the championship next season with another manager than start the prem with Mcliesh,
thats just the way i feel i know not many will agree but its the truth
No you wouldn't. Relegation is the last thing anyone wants.
no the last thing i want is to be stuck with Mcliesh, i dont want relegation but would take it over him.
Sorry John. But with all due respect that's bollocks
like i said, not many will agree, i knew that,
but i have gone in the last 5/6 years from being a season ticket holder to a regular attender to a semi regular to this season where i have been to one game (arsenal cup) and i have no intention of going again because its just rubbish,
i hear all the calls to support the team, but i just cant be bothered, its just not worth it, there is no excitment at all for me, and it will be the same next season with AM, so yes i would actually enjoy the Championship more with a different manager, and would certainly attend more games
I don't think they'll get rid of him, even if he does relegate us.
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There is nothing left in me now that is willing to give hm a chance. He had better be gone in the summer.
i would rather Villa be in the championship next season with another manager than start the prem with Mcliesh,
thats just the way i feel i know not many will agree but its the truth
No you wouldn't. Relegation is the last thing anyone wants.
no the last thing i want is to be stuck with Mcliesh, i dont want relegation but would take it over him.
Sorry John. But with all due respect that's bollocks
like i said, not many will agree, i knew that,
but i have gone in the last 5/6 years from being a season ticket holder to a regular attender to a semi regular to this season where i have been to one game (arsenal cup) and i have no intention of going again because its just rubbish,
i hear all the calls to support the team, but i just cant be bothered, its just not worth it, there is no excitment at all for me, and it will be the same next season with AM, so yes i would actually enjoy the Championship more with a different manager, and would certainly attend more games
I don't think they'll get rid of him, even if he does relegate us.
maybe not, but the whole post is hyperthetical, its just the way i feel
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At least the bloke reading the scores on Final Score gave the result as 3-1. He must have felt sorry for us. But why does he read them like it's a reality show. Sounds like he's straining for a dump everytime he says the score.
and he announced Portsmouth City 0. I think being shown on screen has gone to his head!
Is he someone dragged in as it's Sports Relief or something? He just said "get in" after one scoreline.
It was professional voice-over man Peter Dickson who does the x factor amongst other things, Gabby Logan did indeed say it was for sports relief.
No wonder I thought he sounded like he was from a reality show.
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Szczesny needn't have come, to judge from the fact that Villa had not one single shot on target but half a dozen yellow cards. Hope for them they can get shot of McLeish at the end of the season. They deserve better and shouldn't have to be relegated in order to get it.
Not my words, those of an Arsenal fan on the comments following the match report on the Guardian. Pity from fans of teams who've just whupped us. Don't like it.
Merv: I have die hard Blues fans in my family (married into) I can tell you they are in raptures at the joke of us having McLiesh, the punch line being "finally we have really shit on the Villa".
The man has to go, he knows it, every Villa fan knows it I live in an area where most people that follow football are either Arsenal,Spurs, a few geordies, 1 or 2 Man Utd Man City etc, to the man everyone of them has said they simply don't recognize the Villa, not only that they have never seen a poorer Villa team lacking such motivation.
Spoke to a few mates that went to the game just now and they said if I had been there I wouldn't have believed my eyes Villa looked worse than ever under O'Dreary one said its the worst Villa side he has ever seen in all his 40 years of following the Villa.
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The post game interview with McLeish on the OS is predictable. The bit where he says "people expected us to come here and win but we have to be realistic"
No we fucking didn't Alex. We expected you to lose, but in doing so hoped you would tell your players to give it a go. Maybe, just maybe we could have won.
We expected to pick Heskey and give them a white flag in the tunnel on the way out. You didn't disappoint us there.
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There is nothing left in me now that is willing to give hm a chance. He had better be gone in the summer.
i would rather Villa be in the championship next season with another manager than start the prem with Mcliesh,
thats just the way i feel i know not many will agree but its the truth
No you wouldn't. Relegation is the last thing anyone wants.
no the last thing i want is to be stuck with Mcliesh, i dont want relegation but would take it over him.
Sorry John. But with all due respect that's bollocks
like i said, not many will agree, i knew that,
but i have gone in the last 5/6 years from being a season ticket holder to a regular attender to a semi regular to this season where i have been to one game (arsenal cup) and i have no intention of going again because its just rubbish,
i hear all the calls to support the team, but i just cant be bothered, its just not worth it, there is no excitment at all for me, and it will be the same next season with AM, so yes i would actually enjoy the Championship more with a different manager, and would certainly attend more games
I would agree of it wasn't for the fact it could mean we go the way of Leeds and Sheffield Wednesday.
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There is nothing left in me now that is willing to give hm a chance. He had better be gone in the summer.
i would rather Villa be in the championship next season with another manager than start the prem with Mcliesh,
thats just the way i feel i know not many will agree but its the truth
No you wouldn't. Relegation is the last thing anyone wants.
no the last thing i want is to be stuck with Mcliesh, i dont want relegation but would take it over him.
Sorry John. But with all due respect that's bollocks
like i said, not many will agree, i knew that,
but i have gone in the last 5/6 years from being a season ticket holder to a regular attender to a semi regular to this season where i have been to one game (arsenal cup) and i have no intention of going again because its just rubbish,
i hear all the calls to support the team, but i just cant be bothered, its just not worth it, there is no excitment at all for me, and it will be the same next season with AM, so yes i would actually enjoy the Championship more with a different manager, and would certainly attend more games
Sadly this is my thinking too, I just want our club back.
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The post game interview with McLeish on the OS is predictable. The bit where he says "people expected us to come here and win but we have to be realistic"
No we fucking didn't Alex. We expected you to lose, but in doing so hoped you would tell your players to give it a go. Maybe, just maybe we could have won.
We expected to pick Heskey and give them a white flag in the tunnel on the way out. You didn't disappoint us there.
So after saying that whould you have him as our manager next season?
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I didn't expect us to get anything the form Arsenal are in and I wasn't disappointed
We pretty much adopted the default McLeish v top six side setting of little or no ambition and hope not to get hammered and will no doubt do the same at home v Chelsea
Still don't think we will be relegated but this season can't end quickly enough for me... absolute rubbish
On a separate note I cannot believe people thought we would improve once Bent got injured and that Gabby was the man to spearhead our attack. I've been very disappointed with his contribution to date to say the least and he doesn't even look like scoring. We must do all we can to get Bent fit and keep him at Villa Park for as long as possible
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I'm sure at what point the Arse supporters were chanting "We love you Villa", which summed up the afternoon.
An Arsenal supporter on the bus home asked me when Gabby stopped being any good. He was shit today. Probably unfair to single him out, when there's at least one Heskey in the known universe, but I normally look to him to do something / look like he's bothered.
Ireland at least was trying, and he and Given came over to the Villa supporters at the end. It's probably meaningless, but I think it's appreciated.
I was angry after Spurs away, upset after the FA cup defeat, just a bit fed up today. The only thing that could cheer me up would be Kenny Dalglish performing a dead pan monologue about not having a squad. What? Oh cheers Kenny.
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The post game interview with McLeish on the OS is predictable. The bit where he says "people expected us to come here and win but we have to be realistic"
No we fucking didn't Alex. We expected you to lose, but in doing so hoped you would tell your players to give it a go. Maybe, just maybe we could have won.
We expected to pick Heskey and give them a white flag in the tunnel on the way out. You didn't disappoint us there.
He just don't get it, he can't understand and refuses to understand what Villa fans do expect, sad thing is, its pretty much no more or no less than most fans expect, none of us want to see football played as 1 step forward 2 back, none of us want to see a team that only a few seasons ago where set piece specialists, that other teams feared the outcome of giving away corners, free kicks to, correct me if i'm wrong wasn't we up there under MON as one of the leading goal scoring teams from set pieces and that side was without Bent........................................There is only one different factor to take into consideration here, it comes down to one thing and one thing only.
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The post game interview with McLeish on the OS is predictable. The bit where he says "people expected us to come here and win but we have to be realistic"
No we fucking didn't Alex. We expected you to lose, but in doing so hoped you would tell your players to give it a go. Maybe, just maybe we could have won.
We expected to pick Heskey and give them a white flag in the tunnel on the way out. You didn't disappoint us there.
So after saying that whould you have him as our manager next season?
I'm teetering on the edge right now. I still don't want us relegated.
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So glad I chose beer in the sunshine.
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The post game interview with McLeish on the OS is predictable. The bit where he says "people expected us to come here and win but we have to be realistic"
No we fucking didn't Alex. We expected you to lose, but in doing so hoped you would tell your players to give it a go. Maybe, just maybe we could have won.
We expected to pick Heskey and give them a white flag in the tunnel on the way out. You didn't disappoint us there.
So after saying that whould you have him as our manager next season?
I'm teetering on the edge right now. I still don't want us relegated.
Come on TV he has to go.I dont care if it is the end of the season.He is a small time manager.
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I am going to keep this simple as i am fed up of repeating myself.
This bloke is a championship manager.
If he is our manager next year we will get relegated.
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Bloody hell the Villa fan on TalkSport right now sounds clinically depressed. Can't really blame him though.
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I am going to keep this simple as i am fed up of repeating myself.
This bloke is a championship manager.
If he is our manager next year we will get relegated.
You could be right there.
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I didn't expect us to get anything the form Arsenal are in and I wasn't disappointed
We pretty much adopted the default McLeish v top six side setting of little or no ambition and hope not to get hammered and will no doubt do the same at home v Chelsea
Still don't think we will be relegated but this season can't end quickly enough for me... absolute rubbish
On a separate note I cannot believe people thought we would improve once Bent got injured and that Gabby was the man to spearhead our attack. I've been very disappointed with his contribution to date to say the least and he doesn't even look like scoring. We must do all we can to get Bent fit and keep him at Villa Park for as long as possible
The answer to that is easy, perhaps if McLiesh played Gabby up front for more than 1 game at a time we might see Gabby the way he was, Gabby doesn't know his head from his rear, doesn't know if he's coming or going, he's become a utility player, doesn't know from one game to the next if he's wide, central, or what, put it this way put Bent under that regime and he'd be out the door tomorrow, the other point I would make is I'm actually to see anything from Bent that impresses me, he may have a great goal scoring record at other clubs but he certainly hasn't shown it at Villa, the other point is IMO Bent will be gone in the summer without a doubt, he will not play under McLiesh for another season, it will destroy his reputation and his career if he does, and if McLiesh does stay Gabby needs to talk to his agent and use his head before he calls time on his own career.
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I am going to keep this simple as i am fed up of repeating myself.
This bloke is a championship manager.
If he is our manager next year we will get relegated.
You could be right there.
He is right. We are on a train that is heading for relegation. If not this season, definitely next year. I wish Lerner would look at the table.
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I am going to keep this simple as i am fed up of repeating myself.
This bloke is a championship manager.
If he is our manager next year we will get relegated.
You could be right there.
He is right. We are on a train that is heading for relegation. If not this season, definitely next year. I wish Lerner would look at the table.
I doubt he'd understand it.
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I am going to keep this simple as i am fed up of repeating myself.
This bloke is a championship manager.
If he is our manager next year we will get relegated.
You could be right there.
He is right. We are on a train that is heading for relegation. If not this season, definitely next year. I wish Lerner would look at the table.
He would'nt have the first idea how to fix it anyway.
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How did tha 'appen? I could visualise Mcleish on MotD syliloquising about it being 'nearly a draw' at 2-0 up..that last one wasn't fair at all and may puncture his patronising eloquence somewhat.
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We are very clearly in trouble of relegation and anyone who thinks we're not is mad.
Agree.
Disagree.
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Remember when we almost took their 4th place under Mon? almost like a dream now.
Its the defeatiist attitude that hurts so much. its unforgiveable and Im losing the faith
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On the plus side, a new series of Britain's Got Talent is about to start. The weekend just gets better and better. And I lose an hours sleep tonight. Fantastic weekend so far.
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On the plus side, a new series of Britain's Got Talent is about to start. The weekend just gets better and better. And I lose an hours sleep tonight. Fantastic weekend so far.
Oh joy and rapture. It's great being a Villa fan, isn't it?
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GRRR!
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36 points will be enough. draws against stoke Bolton and sunderland . cant see any other points though
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This is a Manger that when his team were humiliated with a spineless performance in a local Derby 5-1 by their bitterest rivals shugged it off by saying they had 'different agendas'. And oh how we laughed that Blose finally knew their place and couldn't compete - the one thing that they had always done despite their eternal handicap of being SHA. Thanks to McLeish we had broken them - or he had for us.
He has major form, his teams routinely surrender on a scale the Italian Army would have been proud of, even in their biggest games of the season.
I take it next year, the Club will be issueing season tickets with a 30% reduction as we won't be competing in half our matches.
How did we ever, ever employ this numpty.
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The post game interview with McLeish on the OS is predictable. The bit where he says "people expected us to come here and win but we have to be realistic"
No we fucking didn't Alex. We expected you to lose, but in doing so hoped you would tell your players to give it a go. Maybe, just maybe we could have won.
We expected to pick Heskey and give them a white flag in the tunnel on the way out. You didn't disappoint us there.
He just don't get it, he can't understand and refuses to understand what Villa fans do expect, sad thing is, its pretty much no more or no less than most fans expect, none of us want to see football played as 1 step forward 2 back, none of us want to see a team that only a few seasons ago where set piece specialists, that other teams feared the outcome of giving away corners, free kicks to, correct me if i'm wrong wasn't we up there under MON as one of the leading goal scoring teams from set pieces and that side was without Bent........................................There is only one different factor to take into consideration here, it comes down to one thing and one thing only.
The only thing that cheered me up was....
He scores when he wants,
He scores when he waaaan'ts,
Emile Heskey
He scores when he wants.
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36 points will be enough. draws against stoke Bolton and sunderland . cant see any other points though
Can you hear what you are saying?????
How the fuck has it come to this?
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This is a Manger that when his team were humiliated with a spineless performance in a local Derby 5-1 by their bitterest rivals shugged it off by saying they had 'different agendas'. And oh how we laughed that Blose finally knew their place and couldn't compete - the one thing that they had always done despite their eternal handicap of being SHA. Thanks to McLeish we had broken them - or he had for us.
He has major form, his teams routinely surrender on a scale the Italian Army would have been proud of, even in their biggest games of the season.
I take it next year, the Club will be issueing season tickets with a 30% reduction as we won't be competing in half our matches.
How did we ever, ever employ this numpty.
Kingthing likes this.
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I am going to keep this simple as i am fed up of repeating myself.
This bloke is a championship manager.
If he is our manager next year we will get relegated.
You could be right there.
An Arsenal fan was on 606. Well spoken and said he came on to talk about Kenny Daglish. When asked waht he thought about Arsenal's performance he said he was embarrassed to gloat about it because McLeish's tactics were poor and made it really easy for them. It was predictable what he would do and he did that.
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This is a Manger that when his team were humiliated with a spineless performance in a local Derby 5-1 by their bitterest rivals shugged it off by saying they had 'different agendas'. And oh how we laughed that Blose finally knew their place and couldn't compete - the one thing that they had always done despite their eternal handicap of being SHA. Thanks to McLeish we had broken them - or he had for us.
He has major form, his teams routinely surrender on a scale the Italian Army would have been proud of, even in their biggest games of the season.
I take it next year, the Club will be issueing season tickets with a 30% reduction as we won't be competing in half our matches.
How did we ever, ever employ this numpty.
A disgrace to our football club and Aston Villa.
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I don't get to many games and for that i am thankful.
That was utter gash.
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I'm afraid he just is not up to the job.
and he doesn't - like O'Dreary - understand the expectations, which aren't crippling; just Villa-sized.
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36 points will be enough. draws against stoke Bolton and sunderland . cant see any other points though
Under Mcliesh Birmingham City where relegated with 39pts, with a far easier run in at the end than we have they needed results against very average sides and couldn't deliver, ended up in Blues relying on the results of other sides to keep them up
30 02.04.2011 Bolton Wanderers home
31 09.04.2011 Blackburn Rovers away
32 16.04.2011 Sunderland home
33 20.04.2011 Chelsea away
34 23.04.2011 Liverpool away
35 01.05.2011 Wolverhampton Wndrs home
36 07.05.2011 Newcastle United
37 15.05.2011 Fulham home
38 22.05.2011 Tottenham Hotspur away
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I am going to keep this simple as i am fed up of repeating myself.
This bloke is a championship manager.
If he is our manager next year we will get relegated.
You could be right there.
An Arsenal fan was on 606. Well spoken and said he came on to talk about Kenny Daglish. When asked waht he thought about Arsenal's performance he said he was embarrassed to gloat about it because McLeish's tactics were poor and made it really easy for them. It was predictable what he would do and he did that.
I heard an Arsenal fan on his phone to a mate walking away from the ground, 9 times out of 10 I would have confronted him about his comments but he slated us to death (in a constructive way) and I just had to take it, it was the same hearing spurs fans leaving WHL.
Living in London I have Spurs and Arsenal mates and they all say this is the worst Villa side they've seen for years.
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Oh there's no doubt about it that we are a relegation waiting to happen - we might stay up this season but it's coming.
We desperatly need a clean out from top to bottom. I have no faith in McLeish, Faulkner or Lerner.
And to those that think relegation wouldn't be a disaster, for the odd Newcastle you have a Leeds, Sheff Weds, Forest etc when the larger Clubs go. Unless you get straight back up it's often a double relegation.
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We came , we expected, we received!
I bet you can squeal like a pig. Weeeeeeee!
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Oh there's no doubt about it that we are a relegation waiting to happen - we might stay up this season but it's coming.
We desperatly need a clean out from top to bottom. I have no faith in McLeish, Faulkner or Lerner.
And to those that think relegation wouldn't be a disaster, for the odd Newcastle you have a Leeds, Sheff Weds, Forest etc when the larger Clubs go. Unless you get straight back up it's often a double relegation.
Worst i have seen since Billy McNeill.
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Deluded McCunt post match
"I felt we were always in the game, but their third killed us off"
Did he really say that?
I'm sorry to say, he did.
Where did you hear it Mark? Radio WM?
Pauliewalnuts in the match thread.
I think he got it from WM.
Cheers.
He's fucking mental. He comes up with such utter bollocks it beggars belief. It's no different than the shite he came out with after Man City. Something about the tactics working or similar nonsense. I've said this before that those of us still willing to give him a chance are being more and more alienated by his methods every day that goes by. I'll still give a pass because this still isn't his team, but fuck me, how much more can we take?
I sometimes think about stopping by a local hospital, being induced into a coma and having them wake me up in August. Off course I could ask the nurse how we ended up and be told our first games is against Derby or Barnsley.
I can sort the first thing out for you but can't change whether we get relegated or not!
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Oh there's no doubt about it that we are a relegation waiting to happen - we might stay up this season but it's coming.
We desperatly need a clean out from top to bottom. I have no faith in McLeish, Faulkner or Lerner.
And to those that think relegation wouldn't be a disaster, for the odd Newcastle you have a Leeds, Sheff Weds, Forest etc when the larger Clubs go. Unless you get straight back up it's often a double relegation.
relegation might well be a disaster, but sticking with Mcliesh will also be a disaster,
in a hypothetical world of take your pick, i'l take my chances with the relegation rather than Mcliesh thanks
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Does anybody really believe that the signing of Holman and a load of other Bosmans, will change anything?
It reminds me of when we had Mark Kinsella playing for us and we couldn't afford the wages for Eric Bakke. I thought those days were finally gone. Christ almighty.
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That ginger twat has really knocked the stuffing o ut of me this season.i dont care when we lose anymore.he's got to go.for gods sake randy sort this mess out.
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Oh there's no doubt about it that we are a relegation waiting to happen - we might stay up this season but it's coming.
We desperatly need a clean out from top to bottom. I have no faith in McLeish, Faulkner or Lerner.
And to those that think relegation wouldn't be a disaster, for the odd Newcastle you have a Leeds, Sheff Weds, Forest etc when the larger Clubs go. Unless you get straight back up it's often a double relegation.
relegation might well be a disaster, but sticking with Mcliesh will also be a disaster,
in a hypothetical world of take your pick, i'l take my chances with the relegation rather than Mcliesh thanks
I think one will ultimately mean the other sooner or later.
I like the say up and get rid option but I don't think Lerner will go for that one somehow.
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"It's Arsenal we were playing, don't forget - one of the elite clubs."
This is what really fucks me off about the idiot in charge of our team. We are Villa, a team that in recent years has beaten all of the 'elite clubs'. Why does he just assume defeat?
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Listening to 6-0-6 reminded me why it's important to take the piss out of Arsenal when they lose, and rub their tedious bourgeois faces in it.
Because as soon as they win a few games, they are fucking unbearable. Referring to players by their first names; giving the impression that nobody has ever demanded the dismissal of Arsene.
Fuck Arsenal. And fuck their fucking fourth fucking place.
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"It's Arsenal we were playing, don't forget - one of the elite clubs."
This is what really fucks me off about the idiot in charge of our team. We are Villa, a team that in recent years has beaten all of the 'elite clubs'. Why does he just assume defeat?
I know, it's these sort of comments that really fire me up. Absolutely disgraceful thing for a Villa Manager, totally defeatist, belittling and pretty much sums up his and the Clubs mentallity.
Why is it that recent Villa Managers feel they can say this shit, DOL did it, Houllier too and McLeish. Do other Clubs Managers talk like this or just ours?
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Listening to 6-0-6 reminded me why it's important to take the piss out of Arsenal when they lose, and rub their tedious bourgeois faces in it.
Because as soon as they win a few games, they are fucking unbearable. Referring to players by their first names; giving the impression that nobody has ever demanded the dismissal of Arsene.
Fuck Arsenal. And fuck their fucking fourth fucking place.
Fucking fuck 'em!
Best post of the day!!!!
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Referring to players by their first names;
This I particularly hate and is indicitive of the common Tarquin.
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If he starts Heskey over Weimann again I will personally track him down and rip his cock off.
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I'm actually to see anything from Bent that impresses me, he may have a great goal scoring record at other clubs but he certainly hasn't shown it at Villa
He has scored something like 18 goals in 38 games in a team that has been, as far as I am concerned, shit since he signed for us. His goals pretty much kept us up last season and he's become a regular for England - we need to keep hold of him at all costs and build a team around him that makes chances for him
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I'm actually to see anything from Bent that impresses me, he may have a great goal scoring record at other clubs but he certainly hasn't shown it at Villa
He has scored something like 18 goals in 38 games in a team that has been, as far as I am concerned, shit since he signed for us. His goals pretty much kept us up last season and he's become a regular for England - we need to keep hold of him at all costs and build a team around him that makes chances for him
Yes, I mean since Bent's injury we haven't stopped scoring and Gabby has really stepped upto the plate and proved all those that said we're a better team with him upfront correct. Laughable comment by VN.
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Yesterday my lad was lucky enough to play a school cup final at Bodymoor Heath. The facilities were excellent. The pitch was like a snooker table.
Like a school, this is where our players practice and put into effect at 3pm on a Saturday what they have been coached and taught / instructed what to do during the week.
The results speak for themselves.....
What is more of a concern is the thought that when Ron Saunders came to Villa - he instructed that all Villa teams played 4-4-2. The theory was (and it worked) that if the youth came into the first team this is the system.
Sadly our latest crop are taught to play narrow defensive football. A classic example is Albrighton. Is he really used as a winger? When was the last time he got to the byeline tried to cross the ball? More to the point how often does he find himself in the right back position?
I did not renew me and my lads season ticket because i knew what was coming. I will never boo the players at Villa Park (Steve Hodge excluded) because i firmly believe they never go out to lose. They may lack confidence but still try. It boils down to what they are instructed to do and their belief to do it.
And for that reason McLeish is utter shite.
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Yesterday my lad was lucky enough to play a school cup final at Bodymoor Heath. The facilities were excellent. The pitch was like a snooker table.
Like a school, this is where our players practice and put into effect at 3pm on a Saturday what they have been coached and taught / instructed what to do during the week.
The results speak for themselves.....
What is more of a concern is the thought that when Ron Saunders came to Villa - he instructed that all Villa teams played 4-4-2. The theory was (and it worked) that if the youth came into the first team this is the system.
Sadly our latest crop are taught to play narrow defensive football. A classic example is Albrighton. Is he really used as a winger? When was the last time he got to the byeline tried to cross the ball? More to the point how often does he find himself in the right back position?
I did not renew me and my lads season ticket because i knew what was coming. I will never boo the players at Villa Park (Steve Hodge excluded) because i firmly believe they never go out to lose. They may lack confidence but still try. It boils down to what they are instructed to do and their belief to do it.
And for that reason McLeish is utter shite.
absolutely, at youth and reserve levels the kids play a good pass and move game and are a pleasure to watch, then when they get 'promoted' to the 1st team they're expected to play our fucking vile style of football, we need a system put in place were by all our teams play the same style so the kids can make the step up comfortably.
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Dr Gonzo wishes to rip his dik off, sadly he wont find it, eck be a dikkless wonder, hence we go to arsenal etc and lie down with legs in the air. Beat f ulham... said it before.. if you get it right you get it wrong next time[aplol gr], dont give the twat cash in the summer, give him his cards.............PLEASE
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Others are getting some momentum. We could end up in the shit yet.
Correct - it ain't over yet.
Blackburn have picked up 10 points in the last 6 games and are still 5 points behind us having played one more game. The next in form team below us is wigan with 9 points over the same period. They are 8 points behind us as of today's win. Yes our form is poor but I'm pretty sure even we can muster two wins and a draw before the seasons out.
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36 points will be enough. draws against stoke Bolton and sunderland . cant see any other points though
Is that what it has come to? Hoping we can scrape draws to keep us up. Let's hope they don't score more than one or we are fucked.
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not a surprising result given the vast difference in ability between the two sides. Performance was rotten though and Heskey, well Mccleish doesn't help himself with team selections like that does he? hopefully 4 or 5 of that team will be gone come May whoever's in charge
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Honestly thought we'd scrape a point in this one if we had a crack at them.
I can't understand why he persists with the tactics of damage limitation when it has been proven not to work as often as it has. I read somewhere recently that the definition of madness is repeating the same mistake and expecting a different outcome.
Maybe he doesn't think we're safe yet and that's why he refuses to take off the defensive shackles? Who knows. He must realise that people would rather see us have a go and lose than not have a go and lose.
I'm one of the few still prepared to back him, but he really doesn't make it easy. Everybody knows that we don't have the quality that arsenal have and it was always likely we'd lose this game. But at least if you go out positive match them for effort and try and force it you've got a chance of coming away with a point.
Doesn't make sense to me at all.
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Cant believe he started with Heskey, disgrace
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Maybe we can arrange to have heskey kidnapped until the end of the season, so he can't be picked?
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36 points will be enough. draws against stoke Bolton and sunderland . cant see any other points though
Is that what it has come to? Hoping we can scrape draws to keep us up. Let's hope they don't score more than one or we are fucked.
Yes that is what it has come to. Im not saying we should be content with that
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Did he not learn from the home game? We tried to win that game and, even though we lost, the fans can accept that. This was pathetic.
Every time this season he has had something, no matter how tenuous, but something to build on, he has fucked it up.
That comment about picking Heskey every time we play someone in the top ten is absolutely spot on, too.
The guy is a coward, and totally not up to the job, I'm afraid. Sadly, the same goes for the chairman, so we are stuck with it.
GH did that many times last year. Just when he'd do something right, he'd balls it up in some way.
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36 points will be enough. draws against stoke Bolton and sunderland . cant see any other points though
Under Mcliesh Birmingham City where relegated with 39pts, with a far easier run in at the end than we have they needed results against very average sides and couldn't deliver, ended up in Blues relying on the results of other sides to keep them up
30 02.04.2011 Bolton Wanderers home
31 09.04.2011 Blackburn Rovers away
32 16.04.2011 Sunderland home
33 20.04.2011 Chelsea away
34 23.04.2011 Liverpool away
35 01.05.2011 Wolverhampton Wndrs home
36 07.05.2011 Newcastle United
37 15.05.2011 Fulham home
38 22.05.2011 Tottenham Hotspur away
Maybe but the bottom three each had at least 30 points at 30
Games this time last year
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on this form it will be us QPR, Wolves going down...
Wigan have still got to play Man Utd, Arsenal, Chelsea and Newcastle, and overhaul an 8 point gap and 21 goal difference. How likely is that? Not very.
Exactly.
As poor as we are, and believe me, that is very poor, people tend to forget that the teams below us need to put in great runs of form for us to go down.
Next season is a completely different matter though.
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Hutton stood there watching Gibbs tee up his shot for goal.
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"Not many teams come here and get anything", Our record there was fantastic until you graced us with your presence Alex.
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Three shots in 90 mins.
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I turned over when our game came on. It was bad enough first time round.
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Petrov also stood there and let Gibbs just run through, we just did not look bothered today.
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Albrighton sucks wang. How he continues to play is beyond me...
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I recorded the game to watch this morning when I got up.
When I saw the team I thought we were going for damage limitation.
After about the first ten minutes, where Arsenal were playing the ball around our box and we weren't tracking runners I thought we were in for a beating.
After the first goal, which basically was discraceful defending, I gave up and went out on my mountain bike.
I don't think we will get relegated, but on some of the discraceful performances we have put in this season, when we have given up trying to win before a ball is kicked, I'm not sure we deserve to still be in the Premier League. Someone sort this shit out, FFS, WE ARE ASTON VILLA.
Why doesn't that mean enough to a lot of the Players, the Manager, Owner etc?
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Credit where it's due Song's pass to Walcott for the second was Cowans-esque.
Realistically we were never going to win this game, had it been 2 months ago when Wenger was on the ropes maybe.
Now Chelsea are a different proposition - shit record at Villa Park recently and struggling to cling on to a champs league place, surely we will have a go? this will be 3 of the 7 we need.
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Some stats/comments from the Telegraph.
Villa possession: 28% !
Shots off target: 1
Shots on target: 0
Corners: 15-5
"Yey it has to be said Villa were awful........ master class in how not to defend"
Fan comment: 'Disgusted with Villa's lack of ambition today'
"Setting up to lose by not many and still losing three nil is the work of an idiot"
I don't think the stats are exactly corrent but what a sad indictment of what we have become.
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I watched till the second went in, I never switch off but it was frustrating me so badly it was the only option.
I'm not even enjoying watching us anymore, I said yesterday if we could end season now and finish 4th bottom I'd take it and I mean it
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I didn't stay up for the 1 am kick off (set 'Record' though) as I reckoned that the result and probable team/performance was going to be predictable (if by some amazing happening we got a result then it would be good to watch when I got up).
Having read the reports and comments here I finally decided to 'bite the bullet' and watch the game.
Clicked on my 'Recorded Programmes' and clicked on 'Arsenal V Aston Villa' and a message came up.....
'FAILED'
Sums us up I thought, not only yesterday but the whole season really!
(Due to 'adverse weather conditions' apparently but I wonder???)
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Credit where it's due Song's pass to Walcott for the second was Cowans-esque.
Realistically we were never going to win this game, had it been 2 months ago when Wenger was on the ropes maybe.
Now Chelsea are a different proposition - shit record at Villa Park recently and struggling to cling on to a champs league place, surely we will have a go? this will be 3 of the 7 we need.
The quality and form of the opposition is immaterial given the approach of the manager. At any level, this kind of cowardice is utterly unforgivable. Coupled with an innate ability to select the wrong team and tactics you have the recipe for relegation, as history has proved with this manager on two previous occasions.
The two games against Arsenal are an ideal contrast and example of the beliefs of the manager. Although the results were the same, the difference in performance couldn't have been more stark. The manager, in opposition to almost everybody else, including fans of other clubs, seems to have chosen the path demonstrated by yesterdays performance and in light of this, should be removed from his position with immediate effect.
The stumbling block to this is that the people who run the club appear to inhabit the same cloud cuckoo land as the man they appointed and one can only conclude that, whatever the results, whatever league we play in, supporting Aston Villa for the forseeable future is destined to be a joyless and frustrating pursuit.
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Did stoke think they were beaten before they went on the pitch before city yesterday - NO.
Did Wigan think they were beaten before they went on the pitch before liverpool yesterday - NO.
Just our lot with this inept bloke in charge - its a disgrace - and our approach to games against teams at the higher end of the table is embarrassing
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"Not many teams come here and get anything", Our record there was fantastic until you graced us with your presence Alex.
Yes this attitude alarms more than most things about Alex.
How about "we were a disgrace and I am going to make sure that an Aston Villa team never ever goes on the pitch and performs like that again"?
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On the plus side, now that the clocks have gone forward we are an hour closer to the end of the season.
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As we have another GIANT team up next at VP I imagine Alex is planning for 0-2 as acceptable. 1-2 would be a triumph and 0-3 ....well what do you expect they are an elite club!
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To top it all just went on the OS to see the post match response by Eck and they got the wrong clip, they played the clip of the cup game at the Arse.
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I am going to keep this simple as i am fed up of repeating myself.
This bloke is a championship manager.
If he is our manager next year we will get relegated.
You could be right there.
He is right. We are on a train that is heading for relegation. If not this season, definitely next year. I wish Lerner would look at the table.
Lerner is as incompetent as McLeish. He's presided over one fuck-up after another since MON bailed out. It's all very well having a go at McLeish when really Lerner deserves the flak for his judgement on Managerial appointments.
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His whole ethos and approach to football, particularly against the top 6 is shocking. As I said on an earlier post we have given all the 'elite' a going over at some point in the last few seasons so why should we accept just turning up and leaving with no pride? Just because few teams get a result at a particular ground doesn't mean we should go there expecting to lose. Yesterday was inevitable, I didn't even tune in to watch/listen. The current regime is destroying the reputation of our club. We have an inept manager and a chairman that seems to have disappeared off the face of the Earth. We're in crisis and there is no guidance from anyone and really am struggling to comprehend how the key personnel can seemingly ignore what is happening right under their noses.
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I am going to keep this simple as i am fed up of repeating myself.
This bloke is a championship manager.
If he is our manager next year we will get relegated.
You could be right there.
He is right. We are on a train that is heading for relegation. If not this season, definitely next year. I wish Lerner would look at the table.
Lerner is as incompetent as McLeish. He's presided over one fuck-up after another since MON bailed out. It's all very well having a go at McLeish when really Lerner deserves the flak for his judgement on Managerial appointments.
Good old Doug eh? He chose the buyer. "Villa are in good hands going forward" he said. Oh dear. The man got so little right during his tenure as Chairman and has left us with yet another Dougenomics legacy. Lerner is a tard, McLeish is a bigger tard, Faulkner has taken us backwards since he was appointed.
As for playing Arsenal/Chelsea or anyone else this season, other than Bolton, we might as well not "try too hard" as they are all better than. Use Petrov as the template for effort.
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Don't think Doug can be blamed for this mess however hard you try.
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One faint hope is Liverpool are not in great form maybe we could sneak a draw there ...
Why sneak a draw? We should be going up there to win, like we should be doing with every game.
Other posters have hit the nail on the head, yesterday seemed to suggest our players did not know what to do. Marc Albrighton seems to have lost a little confidence, too (who coaches the wingers these days?).
We absolutely gifted Arsenal their crucial two goals and I put that down to the fact that when we were in possession they harried us and gave us the minimum of time and space on the ball. Alas, when they were in possession we sat back and gave them the time, room and space to pass move and attack. I like McLeish but the buck stops with him on this one - coaching, game plan, motivation and confidence were all lacking and such spineless displays are not acceptable. I look at that Arsenal team and I genuinely couldn't pick most of them out of a photo i.d.parade. They are, by and large, a bunch of nobodies that have been scouted, coached and brought into a system of attractive, winning football. Is that beyond Villa? Would it take millions of quid to achieve? I don't think so. Is McLeish capable of emulating this? Dear Lord, I hope so but the evidence thus far does not point to it. I think he seriously needs to overhaul our coaching staff and we seriously need to recruit some top notch people behind the scenes to work with our players - no disrespect to Peter Grant.
Heaven only knows how McLeish is going to have the team set up and motivated for the trip to the club run by the man who kindly recommended him for the Villa job. For a whole variety of reasons I don't believe for one second our manager has even targeted any points whatsoever from that fixture.
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Don't think Doug can be blamed for this mess however hard you try.
Ellis sold him the club. I cannot blame Ellis for the decisions taken since then, but he did sell him the club. Ellis didn't get a great deal right, he also, evidently, got this one wrong as well.
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No one was complaining for the first three years. The mess we're in now is a direct result of the decisions taken since then, Doug has no say in that and what he sold the club for is not relevant - he took the hit.
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Don't think Doug can be blamed for this mess however hard you try.
Ellis sold him the club. I cannot blame Ellis for the decisions taken since then, but he did sell him the club. Ellis didn't get a great deal right, he also, evidently, got this one wrong as well.
What rubbish.
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"Not many teams come here and get anything", Our record there was fantastic until you graced us with your presence Alex.
Yes this attitude alarms more than most things about Alex.
How about "we were a disgrace and I am going to make sure that an Aston Villa team never ever goes on the pitch and performs like that again"?
Did he really say that (the quote at the top)? Bearing in mind our young lads regularly batter Arsenal at various levels and bearing in mind we have an excellent record at their place at senior level I find that such a shoddy thing to say. Come on Alex - no excuses!! Fire the players up, realise you are managing an "elite" club yourself and get this club back up where it should be. The white flag, small-time, negative attitude is not acceptable at Villa.
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I recorded the game to watch this morning when I got up.
When I saw the team I thought we were going for damage limitation.
After about the first ten minutes, where Arsenal were playing the ball around our box and we weren't tracking runners I thought we were in for a beating.
After the first goal, which basically was discraceful defending, I gave up and went out on my mountain bike.
I don't think we will get relegated, but on some of the discraceful performances we have put in this season, when we have given up trying to win before a ball is kicked, I'm not sure we deserve to still be in the Premier League. Someone sort this shit out, FFS, WE ARE ASTON VILLA.
Why doesn't that mean enough to a lot of the Players, the Manager, Owner etc?
I set the sky to record the football first of the game , it didn't record for some reason . It was telling me something .
still stayed up to 12.45 to watch the next one like a idiot.
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Credit where it's due Song's pass to Walcott for the second was Cowans-esque.
Realistically we were never going to win this game, had it been 2 months ago when Wenger was on the ropes maybe.
Now Chelsea are a different proposition - shit record at Villa Park recently and struggling to cling on to a champs league place, surely we will have a go? this will be 3 of the 7 we need.
Didnt help with Cuellar just giving him the ball and then he is caught of our position . Park football at best
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His whole ethos and approach to football, particularly against the top 6 is shocking. As I said on an earlier post we have given all the 'elite' a going over at some point in the last few seasons so why should we accept just turning up and leaving with no pride? Just because few teams get a result at a particular ground doesn't mean we should go there expecting to lose. Yesterday was inevitable, I didn't even tune in to watch/listen. The current regime is destroying the reputation of our club. We have an inept manager and a chairman that seems to have disappeared off the face of the Earth. We're in crisis and there is no guidance from anyone and really am struggling to comprehend how the key personnel can seemingly ignore what is happening right under their noses.
Hes beat a top 6 side twice in two seasons I think with us and SH, chelsea twice , but his record against top 10 teams is pretty dire too.
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Don't think Doug can be blamed for this mess however hard you try.
DD would never have had McLeish as our manager
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I left early yesterday. I never leave early.
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That performance was not acceptable I'm disappointed you just can't back off a team like Arsenal and it proved they beat us easily coming out the ground yesterday I was seething why didn't McLeish start with Weimann instead of Heskey I will never understand his decisions I'm just hoping we can get a result against Chelsea.
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That performance was not acceptable I'm disappointed you just can't back off a team like Arsenal and it proved they beat us easily coming out the ground yesterday I was seething why didn't McLeish start with Weimann instead of Heskey I will never understand his decisions I'm just hoping we can get a result against Chelsea.
This.
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I think he seems to think he can win all games against the ''elite '' sides by just kicking it up the pitch and hoping for a goalie fuck up to fluke a goal !!
Not for the first time this season his attitude to playing the tops teams has been an utter shambles.You here the same comment time and time again ..Villa set up not to lose and now they have conceded they don't know what to do !!!
The support for the front players yesterday was no existent,,,at 2-0 down we looked like we were the ones leading and playing out time for the final whistle.I think we will just about stay up but AMC is on serious borrowed time.He may survive the summer but if we continue to play like this he won't make xmas.
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That performance was not acceptable I'm disappointed you just can't back off a team like Arsenal and it proved they beat us easily coming out the ground yesterday I was seething why didn't McLeish start with Weimann instead of Heskey I will never understand his decisions I'm just hoping we can get a result against Chelsea.
This.
One thing that confused me was in his pre-match press conference, he mentioned a couple of times the fact that we won there last season. Yesterday after the game, he says something along the lines about fans needing to be realistic about winning at the Emirates.
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Albrighton sucks wang. How he continues to play is beyond me...
I've said it before but his problem is confidence and the manager and his "tactics". Not a lack of quality on Albrighton's part.
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I see the OS describes yesterday's shambles as 'frustrating'. A turkey shoot would be more appropriate.
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Saw Heskeys rating in the paper
4/10 Awful
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Fucking 4/10 is a bit generous. It's a shame they don't do manager ratings, because Mcleish would get 0/10.
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Normal service resumed in the league as soon as we play a half decent team again.
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I turned the game on at half time, saw Heskey on there and said Tut or something.
So I watched him, ok only TV but he never touched the ball and had one attempted header, lost the battle missed the ball (anyway had nowhere to head it ) after sixteen minutes into the half. I gave up on him then.
There is just no reason for him to be there. I don't understand why he is.