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Title: 11/12 P-A-Y Go v ST comparison
Post by: lennythekad on March 03, 2012, 02:37:10 PM
Following the first half of the season price comparison I posted at the turn of the year, here is what I would have paid on a match by match basis for the entire season.
One or two people thought it was a bit misleading for some reason, so to clarify a couple of things, the following applied.
I didn't mind where in the ground I sat (always Lower Holte, Upper Trinity or North Stand Lower), sometimes I sat on my own, I was always in a position financially to buy at the optimum time, I could always take advantage of 2-4-1 deals, I had ST holders who could get my ticket to take advantage of deals, any Viagogo purchases include their fees, and if I sat in the Trinity Upper, I always moved from A1 to a seat smack on the half way line.

Blackburn £15
Wolves £25
Newcastle £20
Wigan £5
WBA £25
Norwich £10
Man U £26
L'pool £26
Arsenal £20
Swansea £14
Everton £26
QPR £10
Man C £20
Fulham £10
Bolton £18
Chelsea £26
Stoke £20
Sund'land £14
Spurs £ 26 (guess based on other top prices)

CC games
Hereford £10
Bolton £5

Total for all Lge games is £356, against £480 I would have paid for my Lower Holte ST this season.
 
The cut price food/drink vouchers, sticker for my seat and AVTV access are of no interest to me. The only away game I wouldn't have been able to get a ticket for was Bristol Rovers in the cup, (although I could have got one via a ST holding friend).

If you don't mind where you sit, it's a no brainer really, in the current situation.
Title: Re: 11/12 P-A-Y Go v ST comparison
Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 03, 2012, 02:47:06 PM
I told the woman who called from the ticket office about that - she said "yeah but your seats are in a premium area and you won't get them on a PAYG basis with the offers"

I pointed out that this season, there are plenty empty, so you can move from the wings to pretty much wherever you want to go.
Title: Re: 11/12 P-A-Y Go v ST comparison
Post by: Legion on March 03, 2012, 02:58:45 PM
Thanks for that breakdown. It's something I'm seriously considering doing next season. I think my current ST is £520 so I'd be around £200 better off as I do not always manage to get to every home game, especially in August.
Title: Re: 11/12 P-A-Y Go v ST comparison
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on March 03, 2012, 03:01:35 PM
I think quite a few people will decline to renew and take up the offers on a match by match basis.

People are just not prepared to dish out a lump sum to watch boring garbage on a regular basis.
Title: Re: 11/12 P-A-Y Go v ST comparison
Post by: lennythekad on March 03, 2012, 07:25:53 PM
Thanks for that breakdown. It's something I'm seriously considering doing next season. I think my current ST is £520 so I'd be around £200 better off as I do not always manage to get to every home game, especially in August.

I'll be similarly better of too Leeg, as I'll have missed half a dozen homes by the end of the season, meaning I'll have spent about £260, instead of £480 and paying for games I can't attend.
Title: Re: 11/12 P-A-Y Go v ST comparison
Post by: olaftab on March 03, 2012, 08:18:32 PM
It is about supporting our club and that is why I always renew. However next season I will not renew if this man is still in charge. I want to see us score more than goal a game and win at least half of out home games. That is not too much to ask.
Title: Re: 11/12 P-A-Y Go v ST comparison
Post by: The Left Side on March 03, 2012, 10:01:46 PM
A very interesting read, thanks for posting... if more ST fans did this I think Randy would have to sit up and take notice of what we want (which is AM out and enjoyable football back in B6, in case he is reading this).
Title: Re: 11/12 P-A-Y Go v ST comparison
Post by: eamonn on March 03, 2012, 10:29:54 PM
I told the woman who called from the ticket office about that - she said "yeah but your seats are in a premium area and you won't get them on a PAYG basis with the offers"

I pointed out that this season, there are plenty empty, so you can move from the wings to pretty much wherever you want to go.

I thought you preferred your season ticket, thought if you're missing a good chunk of games maybe you're better off ditching it.
Title: Re: 11/12 P-A-Y Go v ST comparison
Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 03, 2012, 10:39:32 PM
I told the woman who called from the ticket office about that - she said "yeah but your seats are in a premium area and you won't get them on a PAYG basis with the offers"

I pointed out that this season, there are plenty empty, so you can move from the wings to pretty much wherever you want to go.

I thought you preferred your season ticket, thought if you're missing a good chunk of games maybe you're better off ditching it.

I do, and naybe i will, but I don't see the relevance of that to this point.

The argument that the cheap seats are in the shitter parts of the stand doesn't really stand up to scrutiny if you can pick a seat in the wings on a cheap deal and then move to any one of several thousand empty seats in the pricier areas.
Title: Re: 11/12 P-A-Y Go v ST comparison
Post by: amfy on March 04, 2012, 03:17:24 PM
I have to admit to not being that familiar with viagogo, but looking at the os I'm struggling to see where these figures come from, unless in your run down of that fantastic set of prevailing conditions which enable you to always get the best price you forgot to mention that you"re a child or a pensioner.
Title: Re: 11/12 P-A-Y Go v ST comparison
Post by: lennythekad on March 04, 2012, 04:17:31 PM
I have to admit to not being that familiar with viagogo, but looking at the os I'm struggling to see where these figures come from, unless in your run down of that fantastic set of prevailing conditions which enable you to always get the best price you forgot to mention that you"re a child or a pensioner.

I'm 55, so don't qualify for the reductions you mention. As for "fantastic set of prevailing conditions", I'm in work and know several season ticket holders, as do thousands of others I suspect, who could and do take advantage of any offers. I can't remember every individual deal, but I've used the "tick tick Thursday" offers, there was a deal involving L'pool, Manu and Arsenal as a package, and offers to ST holders to buy additional cheap tickets have benefited me. Re. Viagogo, if you say you don't know much about them, you won't know that they sell tickets for games well below any price Villa will sell them for, eg - two Swansea adults tickets in the Trinity Upper for £11 each, plus £6 handling fees, comes out at £14 each.
Your comments seem to intimate that I've manipulated or made up figures. This is 100% not the case. If you just look at the OS ticket page without looking elsewhere you wouldn't have got the prices I've quoted.
Title: Re: 11/12 P-A-Y Go v ST comparison
Post by: amfy on March 04, 2012, 04:52:05 PM
I did say that I'm not familiar with viagogo as a ST holder I haven"t needed to be. I don't think you've fiddled it I just think things like always being able to buy at the optimum price sounds like hard work for me personally. My lower Holte ST is £405 a.d I like where I sit & who I sit with so I'm possibly a bit slower to see the advantages of your way of doing things. I'm also wondering how it works if all yoir ST holding friends decide yours is the way forward.
Title: Re: 11/12 P-A-Y Go v ST comparison
Post by: lennythekad on March 04, 2012, 06:46:02 PM
I suppose a lot of it comes down to how much disposable income people have, which probably also affects how much time they are prepared to spend shopping around. Doing a lot of deals means not having to find any lump sums at any time also. Having said that, I take your point about sitting by a regular crowd though, as up to last season there were six of us sat together in the Lower Holte L3.
Re. my other ST holding friends doing what I do, it'd just mean I'd probably use Viagogo a bit more I guess. I also appreciate it wouldn't be good for the club if large numbers of fans did this either, but after forty five years at VP, I intend to see games for as little as possible, especially given the paucity of the entertainment on show at the moment.
Apolgies if my initial reply came across as a bit arsey btw.
Title: Re: 11/12 P-A-Y Go v ST comparison
Post by: Rob92 on March 04, 2012, 08:03:23 PM
Interesting reading and is another reason why getting an ST isn't the be all and end all, especially if you're not from the West Midlands... Although being a Southerner who goes on his own, I'm not sure I can get the same sort of value on 2-for-1 offers!
Title: Re: 11/12 P-A-Y Go v ST comparison
Post by: SoccerHQ on March 04, 2012, 08:08:49 PM
Similar to the OP here's mine for this season....

Regularly sit in the North Stand and the season ticket price there is £405 IIRC.

Blackburn- (£15)- Holte end wings and internet offer on club website.
Wolves (20)- Trinity upper and again internet offer.
Newcastle (20)- North stand, internet offer.
Wigan (15)- North stand, internet offer.
WBA (25)- North stand, internet offer.
Norwich (24)- North stand, normal ticket price as no offer.
Manure (30)- Same as Norwich
Liverpool (25)- Trinity upper, Viagogo
Arsenal (20), Trinity, Viagogo.
Swansea (13), Trinity, viagogo
Everton (20)- North stand, internet offer.
QPR- (13)- Trinity, Viagogo.
Man. City (20)- Trinity, Viagogo.

So the season tally currently stands at 260. 13 home games been played so that averages out as 20 quid per game. If that trend continues for the last 6 games, I'd have paid more or less 380 quid for all the games this season saving me 25 quid so effectively one free home game (wish they'd alll been free given the dross we've been watching this season).

I think the club needs to bring down matchday prices a bit as I believe that scrares people off from going to the game especially if you've had a season ticket for donkeys years. Say you've stopped having a season ticket and then decide to want to go to a game against Liverpool or Arsenal the I'd say 40 quid for a seat in the trinity or Witton upper will probably put you off.
Title: Re: 11/12 P-A-Y Go v ST comparison
Post by: amfy on March 05, 2012, 08:53:55 AM
I am also sorry if I came over arsy, I guess I feel the club are hamstrung here. Whats done is done. They sold the season tickets for those prices, and now are struggling to fill the ground within that pricing structure. As a season ticket holder, I don't want to pay over the odds for my ticket, but neither do I want to sit in an empty stadium, or see the club continue to lose money that they don't need to be losing - I need that money in the club for the team too. I do think that they need to give some serious thought as to how they sell it next year, because the perception is definitely that the ST no longer provides value for money (for a whole range of reasons - some of which aren't money!)

Don't get me wrong - I'm not so well off that I couldn't do with saving £50, but financially the season ticket works for me because it allows me to plan. It's a bit like that plan you can have for your gas boiler that covers the servicing and any repairs - it may work out a bit more expensive - but I know where I stand and I've planned for it. As long as it's roughly within range of the same price, a season ticket is less of a financial roller coaster for me if that makes sense?

I also work and I'm in a meeting at 9.30 every day so "tick tick" Thursdays don't really work for me.
Basically, I am neither cash nor time rich, but enjoy meeting the same set of friends in the same place for every home game - this is the value of a season ticket to me.

For people who don't mind where they sit, or whether they go with anyone, and have the time and financial flexibility to take advantage of all the best deals, there is no reason why they shouldn't find a match by match deal works better, but I'm not sure how many of us are really in that catagory (this is what I mean by a fantastic set of prevailing conditions - the word "fantastic" is probably overstating it - but those are 4 conditions that don't apply to me).

Also - lets compare like with like - if you seriously don't mind where you sit match by match, then lets compare that with the cheapest season ticket in the ground at £360 - and then for all that time and trouble you've saved £4.
Title: Re: 11/12 P-A-Y Go v ST comparison
Post by: Dave Clark Five on March 05, 2012, 10:42:12 AM
When I talk to people who don't watch football about the ticket prices, they can't believe how people can afford to go.
Then there are those who are interested but only go on Boxing Day and talk about it until the next time such a home fixture comes around.
Those who always go, then suddenly miss one or two,may never return.
However, we are still getting far greater crowds than the grim mid 80s.  The club are treading a fine line. You don't just get half a dozen not renewing in times like these. You get hundreds. Once someone's mates or season ticket neighbours have thrown the towel in, it becomes an epidemic. Then it is thousands not renewing.
Season ticket prices need slashing.
Title: Re: 11/12 P-A-Y Go v ST comparison
Post by: Percy McCarthy on March 05, 2012, 10:58:45 AM
Didn't renew this season, but only because I'm skint. Same next year barring some luck with money.

Title: Re: 11/12 P-A-Y Go v ST comparison
Post by: lennythekad on March 05, 2012, 11:12:07 AM
I take on board what you're saying and agree with it. I should have perhaps also said that I have to work every other weekend, and if home games fall on my weekend to work, I have to find someone to cover for me and then pay them back on another weekend, which then cocks up another game somewhere. I could use ad hoc holiday days, but that doesn't go down well with the wife, as then I've got no holiday left for anything else we want to do. It's a continual juggling act, and to be honest, for the last twelve months, I've lost the motivation to try and cover all the neccessary shifts for games. If I'd got the ST, I'd feel obliged to cover them to go. Paying as I go removes that obligation, hence me missing a few homes this season. Reading other threads, it seems quite a few people feel the same re. an obligation/sense of duty to attend, especially in the current situation.
Re. the cheapest ST, I can't remember where that is (Nth Lower?). I've only sat there twice, early in the season, and couldn't be doing with the almost non existent leg room, and as a consequence, have used Viagogo more and more as the season goes on. Their tickets nearly always seem to be in Trinity Upper A1, which is fine, as I mentioned earlier, I just move to a better seat before kick off.
Bottom line I guess is that everyone's got their own reasons for how they pay and how often they go. 
Title: Re: 11/12 P-A-Y Go v ST comparison
Post by: lennythekad on March 05, 2012, 11:18:52 AM
When I talk to people who don't watch football about the ticket prices, they can't believe how people can afford to go.
Then there are those who are interested but only go on Boxing Day and talk about it until the next time such a home fixture comes around.
Those who always go, then suddenly miss one or two,may never return.
However, we are still getting far greater crowds than the grim mid 80s.  The club are treading a fine line. You don't just get half a dozen not renewing in times like these. You get hundreds. Once someone's mates or season ticket neighbours have thrown the towel in, it becomes an epidemic. Then it is thousands not renewing.
Season ticket prices need slashing.
You're right about an epidemic Jon. Our groups of ST's has gone from six to one in two seasons, and they're not all casual fans either. Some of them were with us in Moscow, Lovech and several other Euro aways besides the away Lge games. When these people stop buying ST's, the club should be seriously worried.
Title: Re: 11/12 P-A-Y Go v ST comparison
Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 05, 2012, 12:13:28 PM
When I talk to people who don't watch football about the ticket prices, they can't believe how people can afford to go.
Then there are those who are interested but only go on Boxing Day and talk about it until the next time such a home fixture comes around.
Those who always go, then suddenly miss one or two,may never return.
However, we are still getting far greater crowds than the grim mid 80s.  The club are treading a fine line. You don't just get half a dozen not renewing in times like these. You get hundreds. Once someone's mates or season ticket neighbours have thrown the towel in, it becomes an epidemic. Then it is thousands not renewing.
Season ticket prices need slashing.

I agree entirely with you, especially the bit about mates throwing the towel in.

re season ticket prices needing slashing, this is something that needs to happen across the board at all clubs, and not just ST prices, individual match tickets, too.

If those running the game in this country had any brains, they'd look at how it is going to survive and prosper in the future, and with the way ticket prices are in general, it is hard to see how we're going to breed another generation as obsessed by the game (in a participatory sense, ie actually going to them rather than watching on telly) as we are.

There is easily enough television money in the game to significantly reduce the average ticket price across the board, but instead the money goes straight into the pockets of player or, even worse, agents.

Also, look at some of the people who manage to be declared "fit" to own clubs in this country. Shady Russians at Arsenal, those two cowboys who left Liverpool last year, and, worst of the lot, the various owners of Portsmouth, who redefine dodginess, the people at Leeds, who nobody can actually identify ...

English football right now reminds me of Italian football in the late 80s / early 90s - self proclaimed biggest league in the world, clubs spending money they haven't got, increasing divide between supporters and clubs, and a firm believe on the part of the clubs that nothing is ever going to change. Look how that turned out in Italy.

English football really does need a "year zero" style rebuilding from the bottom up, because it is entirely out of touch with the fans and reality, and seems to be getting worse.

Of course, the sad thing is that we (as in those already sucked in) will largely carry on handing out money for years yet, because that's what we do. The dangerous thing is, where does the next generation come from?
Title: Re: 11/12 P-A-Y Go v ST comparison
Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on March 05, 2012, 12:39:27 PM
Similar to the above, our group of 7 ST holders two years ago, is now just 3, and next season will probably be zero. I'm not renewing, and I've had a ST for probably 90% of the seasons in the last 30 years since I started going.

Sitting in a different seat every game doesn't bother me, therefore I'll just get my tickets through one of the cheap deals on a match by match basis and save money. I'll also have the choice of deciding not to bother with the games that Sky move to a silly Kick Off time, and those that feel like a chore to attend, which is a feeling I've had a lot this season.

I still enjoy the away games though (mainly the day out more than the 90 minutes), and think I'll always want to keep attending a fair few every season, and you can easily get tickets for most aways without needing a ST now anyway.
Title: Re: 11/12 P-A-Y Go v ST comparison
Post by: Dave Clark Five on March 05, 2012, 02:06:09 PM
I'm not getting into any McLeish arguments here but the current unrest coincides with the recession. We have been talking about the bubble bursting for years. The poor attendances at home this season are masked by the season ticket sales. Next year that is unlikely to be the case. Judging by the vibes, we could be looking at losing 5000 season ticket holders. That would give us an average crowd of less than 30000. That is a bad threshold  to cross. Villa can offer all the cheap seats they like but the overall attendance needs bolstering by ST sales to look reasonable. I think they should knock a big chunk off next season's STs now, for purchase before the end of the season. They can't cut the price after they have started to sell them. If they did, they would get hell.
Title: Re: 11/12 P-A-Y Go v ST comparison
Post by: amfy on March 05, 2012, 02:39:20 PM
I think they should offer a discount to existing season ticket holders, regardless of when they renew (up to the deadline) in order to send the message that they have noted ST holders concerns around value for money against a match by match purchase. That would give ST holders confidence that they are to be looked after by the club.

I also think long service discounts for ST holders should be brought in, this would mean that once you have had your season ticket for a few years, you have something to lose by giving it up. Maybe 5% off after 5 years, 10 % after 10 years etc. 20% may be a big discount, but once you've had a season ticket for 20 years you probably deserve it, and they are giving bigger discounts than this for a match ticket to people who turn up once a season.

As it stands now, we could all have a couple of seasons off from having a season ticket whilst it's a bit shit, and come back to the same deals as those who sat through it. At today's prices, Villa need to offer incentives for sticking with the club through thick & thin, as 'thin' just isn't as easy to do now as when it was £1.50 a game!

This is speaking as someone who has every intention of renewing anyway - doesn't mean I don't think they could do better, or that they don't need to look a bit harder at how to keep those who are wobbling.
Title: Re: 11/12 P-A-Y Go v ST comparison
Post by: Vanilla on March 05, 2012, 02:44:36 PM
When I first saw the PAYG heading, I thought you meant pay for as much of the game as you can stand i.e. pay per minute. As such for most home games this season a number of fans would probably have left at half-time.

Or conversely to keep fans there, the longer you stay, the less you pay on average (I jest!). 
Title: Re: 11/12 P-A-Y Go v ST comparison
Post by: Dave Clark Five on March 05, 2012, 02:44:55 PM
You're on my wavelength on that Amfy.
Title: Re: 11/12 P-A-Y Go v ST comparison
Post by: amfy on March 05, 2012, 05:51:52 PM
Well yours would probly be free by now!
Title: Re: 11/12 P-A-Y Go v ST comparison
Post by: adrenachrome on March 05, 2012, 05:56:10 PM
When I talk to people who don't watch football about the ticket prices, they can't believe how people can afford to go.
Then there are those who are interested but only go on Boxing Day and talk about it until the next time such a home fixture comes around.
Those who always go, then suddenly miss one or two,may never return.
However, we are still getting far greater crowds than the grim mid 80s.  The club are treading a fine line. You don't just get half a dozen not renewing in times like these. You get hundreds. Once someone's mates or season ticket neighbours have thrown the towel in, it becomes an epidemic. Then it is thousands not renewing.
Season ticket prices need slashing.

Bang on the money.
Title: Re: 11/12 P-A-Y Go v ST comparison
Post by: JUAN PABLO on March 05, 2012, 06:24:09 PM
Excellent thread this .I have not had a season ticket since BFR days and now pick my games , which is getting less with the clown as manager .

 My GF asked me If I was going to get a season ticket next season as my son is 7 now and has asked about going ,( I always said I would get one when my son gets into it )  I also have to pay about £35 for staff to cover me when I go to match , so I have to add this on . This thread has made up my mind.  I will stick to PAYG and have a look at it If we sack the clown.
Title: Re: 11/12 P-A-Y Go v ST comparison
Post by: SoccerHQ on March 05, 2012, 08:18:06 PM
I actually don't think our season ticket prices are that bad. Yes in an ideal world they'd all be under 400 quid and the ones over 500 quid need to be looked at but the ones at around £450 worked out at less than 25 quid a game so for a season of prem football that's not too bad.

It's our matchday ticket prices that seriously need to be looked at imo. If you're a casual fan then you'll probably be scared away if you want to sit in the upper witton or trinity and you see the price is 39 quid (42 for the top games).

I see on the website they've started doing early bird deals for these sections but they still start at 29 quid.
Title: Re: 11/12 P-A-Y Go v ST comparison
Post by: villajk on March 05, 2012, 08:27:45 PM
I actually don't think our season ticket prices are that bad. Yes in an ideal world they'd all be under 400 quid and the ones over 500 quid need to be looked at but the ones at around £450 worked out at less than 25 quid a game so for a season of prem football that's not too bad.

It's our matchday ticket prices that seriously need to be looked at imo. If you're a casual fan then you'll probably be scared away if you want to sit in the upper witton or trinity and you see the price is 39 quid (42 for the top games).

I see on the website they've started doing early bird deals for these sections but they still start at 29 quid.

Can't agree with that I'm afraid.  Season ticket holders pay their money up front, for every game. I simply cannot see why casual supporters should pay less for their tickets than season ticket holders.

The club needs the revenue from the sale of  season tickets.  I think they are going to struggle next season for several reasons not least cheaper tickets on a match by match basis as others have said.
Title: Re: 11/12 P-A-Y Go v ST comparison
Post by: SoccerHQ on March 05, 2012, 08:39:33 PM
Well if they reduced ticket prices to a maximum of 35 quid in all parts of the ground, then that would still be more expensive then our most expensive season ticket price wouldn't it?
Title: Re: 11/12 P-A-Y Go v ST comparison
Post by: villajk on March 05, 2012, 08:51:06 PM
Well if they reduced ticket prices to a maximum of 35 quid in all parts of the ground, then that would still be more expensive then our most expensive season ticket price wouldn't it?

It would indeed.
Title: Re: 11/12 P-A-Y Go v ST comparison
Post by: Sister of Top Cat on March 05, 2012, 08:55:52 PM
Well if they reduced ticket prices to a maximum of 35 quid in all parts of the ground, then that would still be more expensive then our most expensive season ticket price wouldn't it?
So you think match tickets should be reduced but season tickets remain the same price?
Title: Re: 11/12 P-A-Y Go v ST comparison
Post by: PeterWithesShin on March 05, 2012, 08:58:38 PM
It is scary how once people stop going they can lose interest. Early to mid 90s there used to be 12-25 of us meet up before a game. Numbers depended on work etc. Midweek games often had the biggest numbers of us for that reason. Likes of Peterborough, Wigan in the LC was always a good turn out.

Me and my sister are the only ones that still go more than a few times a season now. And a lot of that group were regulars dating back to the late 60s early 70s through to Simod aways and the like. Even the MON & Randy "glory" years didn't get them back more. I doubt they will ever be anything but occasional visitors to VP anymore. But how many more like them are there?
Title: Re: 11/12 P-A-Y Go v ST comparison
Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 05, 2012, 09:19:17 PM
I had a few years when I didn't bother.

Was a regular attendee, then went to live abroad, came back three years later and just didn't bother going again for what turned out to be several years.

Once you get out of the habit, it is quite easy.
Title: Re: 11/12 P-A-Y Go v ST comparison
Post by: Lizz on March 05, 2012, 11:12:59 PM
I had a few years when I didn't bother.

Was a regular attendee, then went to live abroad, came back three years later and just didn't bother going again for what turned out to be several years.

Once you get out of the habit, it is quite easy.

Like any habit, it's breaking the initial dependency that's the main stumbling block.

Personal/work issues [which I suspect are not unique to me] makes staying away easier than attending at times.
Title: Re: 11/12 P-A-Y Go v ST comparison
Post by: richardhubbard on March 06, 2012, 06:26:20 AM
Having lived away from Birmingham for 13 years , I had 8 years of going to 12 plus games a season and then got a season ticket(s) for five years. Having got increasingly pissed off , last summer game them up. I then went to home game in September and bought tickets three times since but gradually given up.

I still look at results , but for now weekends are more enjoyable and cheaper than spending 150 on that shite
Title: Re: 11/12 P-A-Y Go v ST comparison
Post by: MarkM on March 06, 2012, 11:09:08 AM
There is no real insentive for the club to reduce ticket prices.

If they did they would have to ensure that more attended to make up for the shortfall, and with the dross on the pitch that is something they can't do.

So I suspect that ST prices will be held, and the offers will continue as the club desperately tries to fill the empty seats [bit like Ryan Air or Easy Jet!]
Title: Re: 11/12 P-A-Y Go v ST comparison
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on March 06, 2012, 04:06:40 PM
High price put me off as well, and boring football plus uncertainly about changes at work for Saturday. 

I have not missed going to Villa Park or get a craving to come back. It is not very difficult to get out of habit. Football need to realise it also competing with other leisure activities ie Cinema, Salsa Dancing, Rugby, etc. 

for price of ticket, program and fuel which is about 35-40 pounds could pay for 3 night out in Salsa Dancing.


Title: Re: 11/12 P-A-Y Go v ST comparison
Post by: itbrvilla on March 06, 2012, 04:48:29 PM
Can do 5 rock climbing sessions for the price of a ticket.  I know what I'd rather be spending my time doing.
Title: Re: 11/12 P-A-Y Go v ST comparison
Post by: Dave Clark Five on March 06, 2012, 04:54:37 PM
Can do 5 rock climbing sessions for the price of a ticket.  I know what I'd rather be spending my time doing.
Exactly. At least you can be pissed while watching a match. Not that rock climbing.
Title: Re: 11/12 P-A-Y Go v ST comparison
Post by: SoccerHQ on March 06, 2012, 08:11:15 PM
High price put me off as well, and boring football plus uncertainly about changes at work for Saturday. 

I have not missed going to Villa Park or get a craving to come back. It is not very difficult to get out of habit. Football need to realise it also competing with other leisure activities ie Cinema, Salsa Dancing, Rugby, etc. 

for price of ticket, program and fuel which is about 35-40 pounds could pay for 3 night out in Salsa Dancing.




Yeah, that's my point. Would you reconsider if the standard match day ticket price was in the 20-25 quid price range?

I think the season tickets over 500 quid should be reduced without question. Anything below that works out at 25 quid per game which I think is o.k.

To reward season ticket holders, I'd instead give them a free cup game or two and if it's season when we don't get a home cup tie, a free away game towards the end of the season.
Title: Re: 11/12 P-A-Y Go v ST comparison
Post by: Nastylee on March 06, 2012, 08:37:09 PM
My first season without a ST for the last 15 years and being honest I don't miss it anywhere near as much as I thought I would. I've moved to Worcestershire, I don't mind driving but not for what's been served up so far. I also said for many years that once my seat went to £500+ I'd give it thought. Not because I couldn't pay it, more out of principle - football is taking the piss out of its supporters. Of course I still support Villa, I stream most games and would quite happily renew if I thought that the money I was paying was justified but even at £25 per game, it that really good value for 90mins of 'entertainment'? And I use that word very loosely at the moment.
Title: Re: 11/12 P-A-Y Go v ST comparison
Post by: Ad@m on March 06, 2012, 10:30:38 PM
for price of ticket, program and fuel which is about 35-40 pounds could pay for 3 night out in Salsa Dancing.

I guarantee the club has never even considered this comparison and it just shows how clueless Randy and Faulkener are!!!

We need people in charge who understand salsa dancing or we're going nowhere!!!
Title: Re: 11/12 P-A-Y Go v ST comparison
Post by: Dave Cooper please on March 07, 2012, 10:16:53 AM
To reward season ticket holders, I'd instead give them a free cup game or two and if it's season when we don't get a home cup tie, a free away game towards the end of the season.

Can't do this, no away game can accomodate 15-20 thousand season ticket holders!
Title: Re: 11/12 P-A-Y Go v ST comparison
Post by: exiled on the wirral! on March 07, 2012, 05:24:23 PM
To reward season ticket holders, I'd instead give them a free cup game or two and if it's season when we don't get a home cup tie, a free away game towards the end of the season.

Can't do this, no away game can accomodate 15-20 thousand season ticket holders!
It doesnt have to be the same away game though does it. I think a free away ticket during the season as part of  a ST package would be a good idea.
Title: Re: 11/12 P-A-Y Go v ST comparison
Post by: Sister of Top Cat on March 07, 2012, 08:19:09 PM
To reward season ticket holders, I'd instead give them a free cup game or two and if it's season when we don't get a home cup tie, a free away game towards the end of the season.

Can't do this, no away game can accomodate 15-20 thousand season ticket holders!
It doesnt have to be the same away game though does it. I think a free away ticket during the season as part of  a ST package would be a good idea.
Personally I'd rather they just reduced the cost of a ST.  That way those who do go away can use that money towards the cost of a ticket and those that don't wouldn't lose out.
Title: Re: 11/12 P-A-Y Go v ST comparison
Post by: Legion on March 07, 2012, 08:22:51 PM
Same here. Plus drop the promotional crap. I don't need/want AVTV, a sticker for my seat, one free coffee when I buy three, etc etc
Title: Re: 11/12 P-A-Y Go v ST comparison
Post by: Sister of Top Cat on March 07, 2012, 08:24:32 PM
Same here. Plus drop the promotional crap. I don't need/want AVTV, a sticker for my seat, one free coffee when I buy three, etc etc
Yes absolutely.
Title: Re: 11/12 P-A-Y Go v ST comparison
Post by: Jimmy Smash on March 07, 2012, 08:30:23 PM
Reduce the season ticket cost. This would compensate for the PAYGO discount, lower expectations, crap football, lack of motivation on the pitch,  rubbish board etc etc. And No, I don't want a Villa dressing gown, even if it is 10% off.
Title: Re: 11/12 P-A-Y Go v ST comparison
Post by: villajk on March 07, 2012, 08:58:29 PM
To reward season ticket holders, I'd instead give them a free cup game or two and if it's season when we don't get a home cup tie, a free away game towards the end of the season.

Can't do this, no away game can accomodate 15-20 thousand season ticket holders!
It doesnt have to be the same away game though does it. I think a free away ticket during the season as part of  a ST package would be a good idea.

I really can't see how this could work.  Who would determine who goes to which game?  Most would probably want to go to the likes of Old Trafford, Emirates, Stamford Bridge, the Etihad.  How could the club allocate tickets?  There's also the varying costs of away tickets to be taken into consideration.
Title: Re: 11/12 P-A-Y Go v ST comparison
Post by: amfy on March 07, 2012, 09:18:35 PM
I think there should be a "Cup gamble option" on a season ticket. You can buy a season ticket a normal season ticket for the usual price or for a bit more get one which includes all the home cup games. If there are a lot of home cup games it will be an incredible bargain, and if we go out before we even get one home cup match, you've lost your gamble. I think it'd add interest ;)
Title: Re: 11/12 P-A-Y Go v ST comparison
Post by: villaparkb6 on March 07, 2012, 10:05:06 PM
Tbh as a st holder since 1982 i think its takin the piss that buying casual tickets works out cheaper than a season ticket, since the year dot before any seats were on the terraces the whole point of paying up front for a season ticket was to get a discount for your loyalty, if it works out cheaper to buy casual and probably miss the crap games when you dont fancy it whats the point ?
Title: Re: 11/12 P-A-Y Go v ST comparison
Post by: bones. on March 08, 2012, 05:35:55 AM
As others have said, it would be good if it included cup games, a cup run would be a good saving as long as we get drawn at home. Theres a reasonable offer on at the moment for season ticket holders for the Bolton match. Ive just exchanged our two season tickets in the lower North for three in the middle Trinity and its cost me a tenner. The downside to this is that its the Bolton match of course.
Title: Re: 11/12 P-A-Y Go v ST comparison
Post by: SoccerHQ on March 08, 2012, 06:25:12 PM
So...all season tickets have been increased by a tenner unless you renew by the end of May in which case it's the same price.

But it appears the club are listening and will ditch the cheap matchday offers as they're introducing a new "cheapskate" season ticket for 295 quid which works out at pretty much 15 quid a game.

These seats are located in shall we say some of the less desirable parts of the ground such as in the Witton upper right next to the away fans and in the Holte/Trinity corner but you can't argue with that price.
Title: Re: 11/12 P-A-Y Go v ST comparison
Post by: Legion on March 08, 2012, 06:26:55 PM
I'll definitely consider relocating from the Upper Holte for the £295 option. Off to take a look.
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