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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: Legion on March 02, 2012, 07:24:20 PM
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Available Saturday evening.
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Got the point we came for, well done Alex.
It's been like missing fish in a barrel.
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Tactically outclassed by STEVE KEAN!
He's got to go.
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Should've had the game won by half time. Robinson being man of the match says a lot about just how dominant we were first half.
Second half we did the whole defend deep, shit ourselves when the ball enters our penalty area thing that we excel at these days.
Some players aren't good enough, unfortunately Marc Albrighton appears to be one of them.
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Got the point we came for, well done Alex.
It's been like missing fish in a barrel.
All today's result has done is give AM a stay of execution.
Should have had the game tied up before half time, but once again shows one is not enough.
Keane brings on his subs and in the second half we are the also rans, with McLose not having a clue on how to pick his team up.
He has to go.
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Why can we not play well for 90 minutes is beyond me. This is not a new thing either, its been this way for a long while now. Its bloody shit. We deserve not to be winning after this second half performance.
By the way when did we last win a game? Christ its depressing.
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felt at half time, as many of us did, that 1-0 didnt do our dominance justice. dunn was a big improvement which wasnt hard. With Herd tiring and Gardner anonymous when he came on, Blackburn totally dominated midfield in the second half. The longer the second half the more of our players bottled it. Showing for the ball and moving off it takes courage under pressure. We had very few to do it in the second half. Shay Given was as bad as anyone, hoofing it long when in the first half he kept rolling out to the back. Our full backs were very decent in the first half but they didnt want the ball in the second half.
Ireland was excellent in the first half but disappeared after the break. Nzogbia was dangerous but takes ten touches when one will do. Gabby had the chance to win it but blew it. Marc Albrighton was average in the extreme.
Disappointing that we didnt hold on but the manner of the way we capitulated in the second half meant we deserved nothing more. 2 points against Wigan and Blackburn mean we are really down in it now until the end of the season.
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Flip flop
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How can we be so good one half then so poor the other? Infuriating.
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Good: Ireland, Petrov, Herd, N'Zog (mostly)
Bad: Gabby
Improved: Warnock
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For 45 minutes, Blackburn didn't even try, gifted us loads of space, and we played well, going a goal up.
As soon as they started looking like they wanted to win the game in the second half, we were never going to hold onto all three points.
I have no idea how this total fucking idiot is managing to stay in the job. 6 wins in 27 games, that is utterly pathetic.
He has got to go, and now. Anyone who thinks we won't get dragged into the relegation battle, despite taking TWO points from matches against Wigan and Blackburn is absolutely kidding themselves.
The worst thing is, he's probably pretty fucking happy with a point.
If he doesn't take us down this year, he will next year. I imagine Lerner and his clueless flunky Faulkner probably think he's doing a decent job.
For fuck's sake, wake up, Lerner, look at what this man is doing to the club and change it before it is too late.
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Thought the first half showed that we have the players to produce some good football and win some games.
Thought the second half showed we don't have the manager to take advantage of that.
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Time to go Alex, don't care we played well in first half as it doesn't matter in the end. A point against that opposition is very poor, and we were fucking dreadful in second half. Gabby missed two very good opportunities. Ireland and N'Zog were good.
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Ugly: Football a la McLeish
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How can we be so good one half then so poor the other? Infuriating.
As soon as a team starts having a go at us, we crumble. It really is as simple as that.
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WHAT DID YOU SAY AT HALF TIME ALEX, WHAT DID YOU SAY.
How in the hell did we not take three points from this. We absolutely dominate the first 45 and then we PACK IT IN?! We sit back and let a team that is guaranteed relegation attack us? What planet are you on Alex. Herd was one of our best players, and a defensive center midfielder that I want on the pitch for the last 15 minutes. How you decide to take N'Zogbia off is beyond me..
"That's enough offense for one day, last hang back for the rest.. we'll be fine"
Take us to the Championship Alex, take us to the Championship.
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Tried to watch it but fell asleep mid way through the second half. Didn't even think I was tired before the game, I feel knackered now. Load of crap, thanks AMC, thanks Randy (fuckin' silly name)!
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I would love to know what he said to the players at half time.
It should have been carry on lads.He has to go.
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I won't believe from the way we played first half, that we were told to go out second half and do the same again. Dropped deeper, couldn't keep the ball and made Blackburn looking like fucking Brazil at times. Should have been a win, slightly disappointed with the draw but at least we didn't lose.
On a positive note, we can play good football with the players available.
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Missed the last 5 minutes as I was in the car. Thought we had it in the bag... Dunn always scores against us. I'm officially depressed now.
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Should have been all over by half time but lack the ability to get players into the penalty area when we are on top. Second half, the less said the better.
We will not go down because there are too many teams like Blackburn were 1st half.
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How can we be so good one half then so poor the other? Infuriating.
As soon as a team starts having a go at us, we crumble. It really is as simple as that.
Or as soon as we stop having a go at the other teams we crumble.
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If you can't get results against QPR, Wigan and Blackburn in the second half of the season you need to go. McLeish, just leave. No one wants you here, and its not a "challenge" anymore its a proven wasted effort. You don't know what you're doing. You don't know what to say to your players, or how to properly organize them.
Quit, Alex. Quit.
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How can we be so good one half then so poor the other? Infuriating.
As soon as a team starts having a go at us, we crumble. It really is as simple as that.
Spot on.
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We play for a draw we play for a draw.... were Aston Villa we play for a draw!
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We are massively lucky that those teams occupying the bottom 3 places won't be able to make up the gap to send us down. To have taken 2 points against Wigan and Blackburn is dreadful. Our confidence is shot to pieces and we will cross the finish line in a right mess. It will take a minor miracle for things to be a lot better next season. I don't blame the manager and staff for everything. There's lots of blame to be thrown at the players and board. I'm losing faith that collectively they know how to really take us forward from this.
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McCunt will be overjoyed at that point. Blackburn ended up with 60% of the possession - Pathetic.
As said above, 6 wins in 27 is dismal.
Please get rid of him now before we have to listen to his post match interview saying how great we are.
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Appoint a bad manager and you get bad results. It's simple really and oh so predictable.
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I thought towels for throw ins were banned..
Isn't that why Stoke players (Delap and Shotton) wear extra long tshirts under their kit, to dry the ball now? Blackburn had towels for their throws, so I was a bit confused.
Anyway. Shit, again. McLeish needs to go soon. Please.
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We bottled it, you could see BRFC would have to change it half time and shockingly they did! We are treading water, AM won't go... he is talking about buying bosmans in the summer! woohoo are we all excited yet?
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Cheer up folks. If we'd won, AMc would be that much safer in his position.
As it is, we took a point and denied one of rivals a crucial 3 points.
We should just about stay up, but we don't want to be too comfortable otherwise it'll mean more AMc.
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I'm not totally certain that McCleish can take the blame for that today, last week yes but not today. Poor finishing meant we didn't take advantage of Rover's inept 1st half display. They were never going to be as bad 2nd half and not getting the second goal cost us. We simply couldn't get hold of the ball second half, nothing to do with tactics, just that Blackburn upped the ante and we gave them the ball back everytime we won it. Gabby was not good enough at giving us an out ball by running the channels and allowing us to push up the pitch. Thought the defence played well but with 45 mins of constant pressure it's hardly surprising they cracked in the end.
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McCunt will be overjoyed at that point. Blackburn ended up with 60% of the possession - Pathetic.
As said above, 6 wins in 27 is dismal.
Please get rid of him now before we have to listen to his post match interview saying how great we are.
We have shown no signs of improvement over the span of 27 games. Nothing has gotten better, literally nothing. We don't have a single aspect of our game to be proud of.
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He's just been on WM and said we were totally dominant and need to start being ruthless in front of goal. Pointed to Robinson being man of the match as testament to our performance. And so another week of excuses goes under the radar.
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Our inspirational leader has spoken:
Aston Villa manager Alex McLeish after the 1-1 draw at Blackburn:
"It is not the end of the world but we are disappointed. It was a long second half but this is where some of my players have to get a little bit tougher.
"We played some really good football in the first half but we have lacked ruthlessness at times this season and it was the same again here."
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He's just been on WM and said we were totally dominant and need to start being ruthless in front of goal. Pointed to Robinson being man of the match as testament to our performance. And so another week of excuses goes under the radar.
Where was he for the second half, then, because he can't have seen much on the field if that was "dominant".
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We only looked good in the first half because Blackburn were petrified of making mistakes and stayed off us, leaving us with time and space to play, and we should have taken better advantage of that. Once they decided to have a go we reverted to type. Hanging on for a point against the likes of Wigan and Blackburn is pathetic, predictable and par for the course for McLeish, who'll be happy as it maintains the gap between us and them. I'm getting to the point where I just don't care anymore
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Our inspirational leader has spoken:
Aston Villa manager Alex McLeish after the 1-1 draw at Blackburn:
"It is not the end of the world but we are disappointed. It was a long second half but this is where some of my players have to get a little bit tougher.
"We played some really good football in the first half but we have lacked ruthlessness at times this season and it was the same again here."
We had no organization or offensive thought in the second half, that's your job you dumb clown.
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Where in God's name was Heskey today?
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We only looked good in the first half because Blackburn were petrified of making mistakes and stayed off us, leaving us with time and space to play, and we should have taken better advantage of that. Once they decided to have a go we reverted to type. Hanging on for a point against the likes of Wigan and Blackburn is pathetic, predictable and par for the course for McLeish, who'll be happy as it maintains the gap between us and them. I'm getting to the point where I just don't care anymore
Between now and the end of the season, we will not get invited to fill our boots as much as we were today in the first half by Blackburn.
I honestly can not see where our next win is going to come from.
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We bottled it, you could see BRFC would have to change it half time and shockingly they did! We are treading water, AM won't go... he is talking about buying bosmans in the summer! woohoo are we all excited yet?
A year or so ago McAllister was talking about Houiller having signings lined up.I'm sure AMC does have targets but should things not improve I think he could still get the chop in the summer.
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We had 1 chance 2nd half that Gabby should have put away. Apart from that we just stood off them, when we had the ball just gave it way. It really is awful.
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11 games left. 11 points to play for.
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Today certainly looked more of a case of Blackburn being a total disgrace in the 1st half and actually turning up for the 2nd half rather than anything we did.
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Second half was pathetic. We were poor in front of goal apart from Gabby, and second half Given made as many good stops as Robinson.
Gabby IMO was poor from an attacking sense, worked hard but their centre halves did not have a difficult game against him. We will miss Bent as he gives us a genuine cutting edge and a bloke who you know is going to be getting in a position to actually score goals.
Albrighton was just workman like, but playing him left and NZogbia right is pathetically stupid. I don't care which managers think it is a good idea, a left winger like NZogbia is at his best doing his full back on the left and getting the ball in, ditto Albrighton is much better down the right. His ability to cross a whipped ball is completely lost on the left. Downing and he were most effective playing left and right last season and created for each other coming in on the back post. We have not done that at all this season, and NZogbia is equally capable, just utilised badly.
Herd and Petrov were both fucked by 60 minutes. The decision/ inability to get an extra body that can put their foot in in January was a big mistake.
We have 2 winnable games before the hard yards start. Win neither, and I can't see more than 36 points. It is going to be a lot closer than it is right now come may.
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Sat in hotel indigo sipping champers and looking forward to a good feed. good point from where Im sat! 9 points off the drop with 11 games to go. think well win the next two and finish well.
Pleased to see heskey didn't start
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He really isn't going to get the sack unless we get relegated, we have to get used to this fact.
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He's just been on WM and said we were totally dominant and need to start being ruthless in front of goal. Pointed to Robinson being man of the match as testament to our performance. And so another week of excuses goes under the radar.
Where was he for the second half, then, because he can't have seen much on the field if that was "dominant".
He really is a deluded fuckwit.
Lerner still desrves the most criticism for allowing all this to happen, at best Randolph is a fucking imbecile and at worst a clueless c.unt.
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He won't get the sack even if we did get relegated, which I don't think we will. Not this season, anyway.
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Our inspirational leader has spoken:
Aston Villa manager Alex McLeish after the 1-1 draw at Blackburn:
"It is not the end of the world but we are disappointed. It was a long second half but this is where some of my players have to get a little bit tougher.
"We played some really good football in the first half but we have lacked ruthlessness at times this season and it was the same again here."
The same again and again and again, you can't change it Alex please leave. I don't have a problem with you as a man, but you should not be and should never have been Aston Villa manager. As Paulie said anyone who thinks we are not in a relegation dog fight after our last two results, it's completely deluded. We have played the two worst sides in the league and two points is not good enough.
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We had 1 chance 2nd half that Gabby should have put away. Apart from that we just stood off them, when we had the ball just gave it way. It really is awful.
That's the thing. In the second half, we needed to keep the ball a bit, take the sting out of Blackburn, make it harder for them.
All we did was sit back, invite them on to us, and give them the ball straight back whenever they lost it.
It really is bollocks. Two points from games against Wigan and Blackburn just says it all.
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I'm not totally certain that McCleish can take the blame for that today, last week yes but not today. Poor finishing meant we didn't take advantage of Rover's inept 1st half display. They were never going to be as bad 2nd half and not getting the second goal cost us. We simply couldn't get hold of the ball second half, nothing to do with tactics, just that Blackburn upped the ante and we gave them the ball back everytime we won it. Gabby was not good enough at giving us an out ball by running the channels and allowing us to push up the pitch. Thought the defence played well but with 45 mins of constant pressure it's hardly surprising they cracked in the end.
Wash your mouth out NastyLee, Gabby is the saviour and should be forever adored as a Messi esque forward who is going to carry us to the promised land.
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"Unquestionably, Alex meets the criteria we set out at the beginning of our search which was based on proven Premier League experience, leadership, a hard-working ethic and, most importantly, a shared vision for Aston Villa.
"Alex is someone with whom we will work closely and work well together.
"With our strong squad combining the necessary virtues of experience and the exciting potential of our young players, our objective is to compete as strongly as we possibly can.
"Alex's vast experience and proven abilities demonstrate clearly that he is a strong leader and an ambitious man and we are looking forward very much to the exciting new season about to start," Faulkner added.
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I am totaly baffled and for once not putting all the blame on the manager, we should have had the game won at half time but for some poor decision making by Zog Gabby Albrighton Ireland. They stopped running in the second half, and gave any posession away. It looked like a fitness problem too me.
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"Unquestionably, Alex meets the criteria we set out at the beginning of our search which was based on proven Premier League experience, leadership, a hard-working ethic and, most importantly, a shared vision for Aston Villa.
"Alex is someone with whom we will work closely and work well together.
"With our strong squad combining the necessary virtues of experience and the exciting potential of our young players, our objective is to compete as strongly as we possibly can.
"Alex's vast experience and proven abilities demonstrate clearly that he is a strong leader and an ambitious man and we are looking forward very much to the exciting new season about to start," Faulkner added.
That was Fuckner who came out with that statement, I wouldn't trust that fucking idiot to sit the right way on the toilet, so we can safely file any drivel he comes out with in the bin.
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We'll get 'em in singles.
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"Unquestionably, Alex meets the criteria we set out at the beginning of our search which was based on proven Premier League experience, leadership, a hard-working ethic and, most importantly, a shared vision for Aston Villa.
"Alex is someone with whom we will work closely and work well together.
"With our strong squad combining the necessary virtues of experience and the exciting potential of our young players, our objective is to compete as strongly as we possibly can.
"Alex's vast experience and proven abilities demonstrate clearly that he is a strong leader and an ambitious man and we are looking forward very much to the exciting new season about to start," Faulkner added.
The same Faulkner who claimed we should be pushing for a European place - lets be ruthless, on that ideal alone we should be firing him now.
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I am totaly baffled and for once not putting all the blame on the manager, we should have had the game won at half time but for some poor decision making by Zog Gabby Albrighton Ireland. They stopped running in the second half, and gave any posession away. It looked like a fitness problem too me.
Inclined to agree though I think Ireland was less culpable.Albrighton was ineffective all match.
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It was awful. McLeish is clueless.
It is utterly depressing that the Baggies can dispatch a Chelsea side 1-0, but we cannot beat the worst team in the league, a Blackburn that will be surely playing Championship football come August.
If we aren't to join them then both McLeish and Paul Faulkner need to be summonsed to a meeting with Lerner on Monday morning and be given two options - resign with immediate effect or be dismissed for poor performance.
Lerner needs to show some cojones and do something, especially given the appalling state of the clubs finances. Doing nothing will damage the club both in the eyes of fans and financially.
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I imagine the words from the 'manager' at half time were some variation of 'try and make sure we keep it to 1-1 boys'. Following that someone probably corrected Mcleish with the correct scoreline and so he then said 'Oh ok, well like I said try and keep it to 1-1 boys'.
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Lerner needs to show some cojones and do something, especially given the appalling state of the clubs finances. Do nothing will damage the club both in the eyes of fans and financially.
Judging by his piss poor handling of that shitty American football team, I don't think we'll be seeing any affirmative action anytime soon.
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Sounds like all is not rosy at the DW. Martinez might be free to come now. <wink>
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"OK lads you were brilliant first half but that isn't my reputation so second half I want you to go out and play like Solihull School for the Blind."
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I imagine the words from the 'manager' at half time were some variation of 'try and make sure we keep it to 1-1 boys'. Following that someone probably corrected Mcleish with the correct scoreline and so he then said 'Oh ok, well like I said try and keep it to 1-1 boys'.
His whole ethos is 'Get a draw, anything else is an unexpected bonus.'
Sickeningly negative.
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Did anybody else see McLeish jumping for joy when Blackburn scored?
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I imagine the words from the 'manager' at half time were some variation of 'try and make sure we keep it to 1-1 boys'. Following that someone probably corrected Mcleish with the correct scoreline and so he then said 'Oh ok, well like I said try and keep it to 1-1 boys'.
His whole ethos is 'Get a draw, anything else is an unexpected bonus.'
Sickeningly negative.
Yep and it is unbearable to watch as well, enough is enough but many of us have been saying that for weeks. We gave him a chance and he has failed to deliver, that is the bottom line.
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At What point do we as Supporters need to take action?
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Well we did beat chelsea (away). Interesting strategy that - challenge them to resign or otherwise they will be sacked with a massive payout when we are skint ...l
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I imagine the words from the 'manager' at half time were some variation of 'try and make sure we keep it to 1-1 boys'. Following that someone probably corrected Mcleish with the correct scoreline and so he then said 'Oh ok, well like I said try and keep it to 1-1 boys'.
His whole ethos is 'Get a draw, anything else is an unexpected bonus.'
Sickeningly negative.
Yep and it is unbearable to watch as well, enough is enough but many of us have been saying that for weeks. We gave him a chance and he has failed to deliver, that is the bottom line.
But NO Paul, we only want him out because he managed the Dog Shit.
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Well draw number 12 it is which is 100% what I expected, why are we so shocked that we tried to hold on and failed, we have been very poor the whole season and most of last and as I said earlier this week we will stumble to safety, we are 15th for a reason and that is because we are very average team but with just enough to stop up this season, as Kippaxvilla said forget Mcleish getting sacked before the end of this term because it will not happen, his sacking will be the end of next season when he takes us to the championship and what the fuck the future holds then I dread to think.Dark days ahead, pass me the bottle!
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Think about it.. if you're Alex McLeish and you have no pressure to succeed who cares what the results are. If Randy isn't going to tell him that getting points is a priority, and if you fail to get points there will be consequences than there's no reason for him to change his approach.
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I imagine the words from the 'manager' at half time were some variation of 'try and make sure we keep it to 1-1 boys'. Following that someone probably corrected Mcleish with the correct scoreline and so he then said 'Oh ok, well like I said try and keep it to 1-1 boys'.
His whole ethos is 'Get a draw, anything else is an unexpected bonus.'
Sickeningly negative.
Yep and it is unbearable to watch as well, enough is enough but many of us have been saying that for weeks. We gave him a chance and he has failed to deliver, that is the bottom line.
But NO Paul, we only want him out because he managed the Dog Shit.
Yeah bollocks I forgot that, what was I thinking.
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At What point do we as Supporters need to take action?
The action by supporters will be taken in the Summer with chronic season ticket sales.
I'm really not sure it will make a difference though, even if we got relegated.
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At What point do we as Supporters need to take action?
The action by supporters will be taken in the Summer with chronic season ticket sales.
I'm really not sure it will make a difference though, even if we got relegated.
RANDY LERNER DOES NOT CARE.
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The worst of it - 3 weeks ago the argument was that he was at least beating the really shit teams like Wigan and Blackburn so we would be.......... well that has gone then.
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At What point do we as Supporters need to take action?
End of the season - We should have a 'Won't renew till he's gone' campaign. Let's see if they still stick with him if we've only sold 200 season tickets come July.
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We need a way to Support the team but show the board this manager will no longer be tolerated.
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Predictable to the extent I believe I could have won a huge amount of money betting on draws,
Too bored to get angry any more to be honest.
Just received Fulham tickest - why do we bother? It's not like they will win or anything mad like that.
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At What point do we as Supporters need to take action?
The action by supporters will be taken in the Summer with chronic season ticket sales.
I'm really not sure it will make a difference though, even if we got relegated.
RANDY LERNER DOES NOT CARE.
Hard to argue with that.
He's handling the club with all the dexterity of a thalidomide playing Ker-Plunk.
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Fortunately for us I think 37 points will be safe this season...3 of the bottom 5 would need to get 15 points from 11 games to reach that target.
Then he can fcuk off and leave us alone for good.
So a total of 7 points from Fulham, Bolton, Stoke, Sunderland at home and Stripey Filth and Norwich away should do it. Forget the Man Yoo's and Arsenals..he'll concede those games.
Depressing...
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At What point do we as Supporters need to take action?
The action by supporters will be taken in the Summer with chronic season ticket sales.
I'm really not sure it will make a difference though, even if we got relegated.
What about those of us who aren't ST holders?
Maybe ring up the ticket office and tell them you will not be buying a ticket?
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I am totaly baffled and for once not putting all the blame on the manager, we should have had the game won at half time but for some poor decision making by Zog Gabby Albrighton Ireland. They stopped running in the second half, and gave any posession away. It looked like a fitness problem too me.
It probably is down to fitness. None of these have had much game time of late.
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I've worked out what happens at Half Time in games. If we are winning 1-0, the team walk into the dressing room to the sight of the manager being physically sick. Sid and Kevin then tell the lads to ease up as it isn't fair to inflict this on the boss.
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Aye ozzjim.
Tottingham, Man Citeh and co have a different agenda to us, so that's how defeat was explained away there.
Why aren't we taking maximum points against the sides below us then? Afterall, it's league positions/ place in the foodchain that ultimately (according to Alex) dictates the sides you can and can't beat.
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Fortunately for us I think 37 points will be safe this season...3 of the bottom 5 would need to get 15 points from 11 games to reach that target.
Then he can fcuk off and leave us alone for good.
So a total of 7 points from Fulham, Bolton, Stoke, Sunderland at home and Stripey Filth and Norwich away should do it. Forget the Man Yoo's and Arsenals..he'll concede those games.
Depressing...
It's comical that we'd be content with 37 points. It's been 27 games and we have 30 points.
We are pathetic.
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At What point do we as Supporters need to take action?
The action by supporters will be taken in the Summer with chronic season ticket sales.
I'm really not sure it will make a difference though, even if we got relegated.
Yep I'm ashamed to say I will not be renewing my Season Ticket but I just cannot except McLeish's negative boring football
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Fortunately for us I think 37 points will be safe this season...3 of the bottom 5 would need to get 15 points from 11 games to reach that target.
Then he can fcuk off and leave us alone for good.
So a total of 7 points from Fulham, Bolton, Stoke, Sunderland at home and Stripey Filth and Norwich away should do it. Forget the Man Yoo's and Arsenals..he'll concede those games.
Depressing...
It's comical that we'd be content with 37 points. It's been 27 games and we have 30 points.
We are pathetic.
Indeed...just win the next two and we can let the apathy set in full time until the end of the season....I really don't recognise our club anymore. It needs a massive rebuilding job and quickly...
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What was the reaction of the fans at the end? I did the manly thing and turned my computer off in a strop.
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Sat in hotel indigo sipping champers and looking forward to a good feed. good point from where Im sat! 9 points off the drop with 11 games to go. think well win the next two and finish well.
Pleased to see heskey didn't start
I'm not sure we'll win the next two - I hope we do - but I feel surprisingly positive after that. I'm thinking this whole experience will be doing the young lads the power of good and, hopefully, they will build on the experiences they are getting. Herd impressed me today especially.
Yes, the manager should have acted earlier to negate Blackburn's half-time substitutions, but, leaving that aside, a Villa team consisting of so many Academy lads coming through a scrap like that gives me some hope for the future.
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just wonder what goes on in training, anything. Or is it just have a few five a sides. Then I'll see who's fit
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Hard to argue with that.
He's handling the club with all the dexterity of a thalidomide playing Ker-Plunk.
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If that's your best attempt at being humorous, then Lord help you. In my opinion you should be banned for this remark but of course you won't be,as your are in the clique !
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Sat in hotel indigo sipping champers and looking forward to a good feed. good point from where Im sat! 9 points off the drop with 11 games to go. think well win the next two and finish well.
Pleased to see heskey didn't start
I'm not sure we'll win the next two - I hope we do - but I feel surprisingly positive
after that. I'm thinking this whole experience will be doing the young lads the power of good and, hopefully, they will build on the experiences they are getting. Herd impressed me today especially.
Yes, the manager should have acted earlier to negate Blackburn's half-time
substitutions, but, leaving that aside, a Villa team consisting of so many Academy lads coming through a scrap like that gives me some hope for the future.
Funny how the post match thread mellows with time.
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I for one will not be happy until I see AM`s head on a stick above Villa Park
Run out of expletives, adjectives and patience to put up with this sh!t football
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If that's your best attempt at being humorous, then Lord help you. In my opinion you should be banned for this remark but of course you won't be,as your are in the clique !
Apologies to anybody who is a thalidomide, comparing you in anyway to Lerner was insensitive and crass.
By the way Nigel, I strongly suggest you stay away from the jokes thread in off topic.
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Not long back. As others have said, a game of two halves - and we should have had it won in the first half. All rather frustrating.
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I don't have any hope until the board starts showing a degree of competency and sacks the manager and replaces him with a better option which won't be difficult.
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If we stay up this season, which we probably will, I am now quite optimistic that we will also survive next season. Maybe he is the right manager, I mean, we are beginning to not lose games and are making progress with the manager's ethos.
I am quietly confident we can get 38 points from draws next season, and that this would give us a neutral goal difference. That would probably see us safe again. Keep it up Alex!!!!*
*The above may contain sarcasm
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What was the reaction of the fans at the end? I did the manly thing and turned my computer off in a strop.
Half time - clapped them off.
Full time - a few anti-McLeish shouts. Nothing much more than that, before we got out of the ground anyway.
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its time to boycott the bullshit.
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If we stay up this season, which we probably will, I am now quite optimistic that we will also survive next season. Maybe he is the right manager, I mean, we are beginning to not lose games and are making progress with the manager's ethos.
I am quietly confident we can get 38 points from draws next season, and that this would give us a neutral goal difference. That would probably see us safe again. Keep it up Alex!!!!*
*The above may contain sarcasm
I nearly fell for it
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If that's your best attempt at being humorous, then Lord help you. In my opinion you should be banned for this remark but of course you won't be,as your are in the clique !
You really are f--cking hilarious !
Apologies to anybody who is a thalidomide, comparing you in anyway to Lerner was insensitive and crass.
By the way Nigel, I strongly suggest you stay away from the jokes thread in off topic.
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I fear for our youngsters. If we are playing shite, its got to rub off on them
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I have run out of frustrated overreaction. I look at the remaining fixtures and feel like the last Russian sniper up in the grain elevator at Stalingrad, counting my fags and my bullets, and waiting for the bastards to come one final time.
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If that's your best attempt at being humorous, then Lord help you. In my opinion you should be banned for this remark but of course you won't be,as your are in the clique !
You really are f--cking hilarious !
Apologies to anybody who is a thalidomide, comparing you in anyway to Lerner was insensitive and crass.
By the way Nigel, I strongly suggest you stay away from the jokes thread in off topic.
My Clique think so.
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As good as were looked in the first half (admittedly against a Blackburn team who hadn't turned up) we were insipid and predictable in the second half.
McLeish has to go before this Villa team can improve. Relegation is a real possibility if not this season then certainly next.
I'm just looking forward to 10 years or so from now when the current situation and manager will hopefully be a distant memory.
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Have to say, that as McL again gets the blame, Gabby , Petrov and Albrighton were all very poor in the 2nd half.Played far too deep, Petrov and Herd tiring?, and the quality of the ball for Gabby, N'Zog and Ireland was very poor, and when it was played up to Gabby, then he did'nt hold it up.
I run out of patience with McL after the Citeeeeh game, but i'm not sure he has to take all the blame.I felt we were so much in control in the 1st half, that our players were far too complacent in the 2nd.
Not sure Gabby is ever going to be the player we think/hope for tbh
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At What point do we as Supporters need to take action?
The action by supporters will be taken in the Summer with chronic season ticket sales.
I'm really not sure it will make a difference though, even if we got relegated.
RANDY LERNER DOES NOT CARE.
Hard to argue with that.
He's handling the club with all the dexterity of a thalidomide playing Ker-Plunk.
Apart from pumping in£25m in the last year to keep us going?
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Some of the first-half football was scintillating and Robinson certianly deserved his MOTM. Should have buried them.
I don't know what McL / Grant asked the players to do for the second half, but from where I was stood they quite clearly withdrew 5 metres back and set up to defend.
Players worth mentioning:
First Half:
* Herd was superb - his range of passing, energy and covering were excellent.
* Petrov had a v good half.
* Ireland worked very effectively with Charlie
* Cuellar, excellent.
* Both fullbacks played well.
Second Half:
* Where did Ireland, Albrighton and N'Zog go?!
* Hutton continued to play well although he didn't cover the far post on the equaliser.
* Given - outstanding.
Their ball retention in the 2nd half was dreadful. Petrov and Herd tired and Steve Kean made tactically good changes at half time and attacked our right side.
The equaliser was a disgrace: our throw-in on the halfway was squandered and they score from the resulting possession ... what?
Overall, a game that we were coasting has added more unecessary pressure on the players by conceding the psssession and initiative to a team that eventually responded to their manager. Disappointing.
Well done to our support - another fun-day out in Lancashire spoiled by the result.
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What was the reaction of the fans at the end? I did the manly thing and turned my computer off in a strop.
There was some booing. A bit of huffing and puffing and then we went on our merry way.
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Gabby isn't and won't, but will forever be thought of so.
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File a complaint with AVFC
http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/ContactUs/0,,10265,00.html
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Away match pie quality competition results:-
Entrants were the three away clubs that had the best meat and potato pies during the 2010-2011 season, and have been tested over the period 5th February 2012 to 3rd March 2012 inclusive.
1st Newcastle United (Magpie) - delicious
2nd Blackburn Rovers (actually described as a 'potato and meat pie') - delightful
3rd Wigan Athletic - disappointing
By the way, all the pies at London grounds are crap!
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Fatty Dun(sic) strikes again. If he's not fucking-up at the back with Collins giving away penalties and scoring OG's, he's in a blue and white opposition shirt showing our midfielders how to impact a game.
I am strongly thinking about betting next month's rent on our next two games, Fulham and Bolton at home, being draws. Honest to Christ, the only thing worse than being shite is being mediocre.
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What was the reaction of the fans at the end? I did the manly thing and turned my computer off in a strop.
There was some booing. A bit of huffing and puffing and then we went on our merry way.
I thought it was all pretty tame - TBF, the players were appreciative of the support and looked pretty miffed at having failed to win.
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File a complaint with AVFC
http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/ContactUs/0,,10265,00.html
That'll show them. I doubt they'd pay attention to the most heart-felt, eloquently-written letter. Ultimately Lerner made his choice, and it's going to take a hell of a lot for him to sack McLeish who got the job for being a nice man.
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At What point do we as Supporters need to take action?
The action by supporters will be taken in the Summer with chronic season ticket sales.
I'm really not sure it will make a difference though, even if we got relegated.
RANDY LERNER DOES NOT CARE.
Hard to argue with that.
He's handling the club with all the dexterity of a thalidomide playing Ker-Plunk.
Apart from pumping in£25m in the last year to keep us going?
Money is the easy part.
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Alex McL on TS now. Second half was not planned as defensive, it was BR being more determined and forcing us back. Collymore has questioned every player's commitment in the villa/chelsea teams, suggesting that some players see 'blood in the water' when managers are under fire and realise that a manager can be forced out if the team does badly.
Quite how the first half fits this I don't know.
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So i've not read through the thread yet but I'm guessing the main talking point is how the fuck can our 1st half performance and 2nd half performance be so drastically different?
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Alex McL on TS now. Second half was not planned as defensive, it was BR being more determined and forcing us back. Collymore has questioned every player's commitment in the villa/chelsea teams, suggesting that some players see 'blood in the water' when managers are under fire and realise that a manager can be forced out if the team does badly.
Quite how the first half fits this I don't know.
Regardless of the 'plan' McLeish didn't make the correct in-game adjustments in order to secure three points. That is the job of the manager, and he failed.
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Played 27 won 6 scored 30, conceaded 35, points 30. This really is relegation material. We are lucky that this season there are 5 very bad teams below us.
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I have run out of frustrated overreaction. I look at the remaining fixtures and feel like the last Russian sniper up in the grain elevator at Stalingrad, counting my fags and my bullets, and waiting for the bastards to come one final time.
"dig tunnels . deep, store grain everywhere and never seek hegemony"
"pessimism of the intellect; optimism of the will"
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Predictable to the extent I believe I could have won a huge amount of money betting on draws,
With 10 mins to go I placed a £10 at 5/1 for a draw. Sadly it came in. and as you say was so predictable.
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Games like today make me think McLeish was very wrong letting Makoun go, how we could do with a midfielder who knows how to keep the ball and pass to a man in a Villa shirt, the game at Old Trafford when we lost 3-1 he was the best player on the pitch.
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[size=12pt]WHAT DID YOU SAY AT HALF TIME ALEX, WHAT DID YOU SAY.[/size]
How in the hell did we not take three points from this. We absolutely dominate the first 45 and then we PACK IT IN?! We sit back and let a team that is guaranteed relegation attack us? What planet are you on Alex. Herd was one of our best players, and a defensive center midfielder that I want on the pitch for the last 15 minutes. How you decide to take N'Zogbia off is beyond me..
"That's enough offense for one day, last hang back for the rest.. we'll be fine"
Take us to the Championship Alex, take us to the Championship.
This is the comment for me, I was lost for words after the game, we are capable of 45mins only, but never to such a degree and never so emphatic, not since O'Dreary, without a question of a doubt something was said, impossible to have 11 players playing at such a tempo, playing really good one touch football that the likes of Messi and Co would have been proud of, adrenalin going, those lads must of walked in at half time dying to get out onto the pitch to continue the game.
It wasn't that they stepped up a level, we simply stopped playing, we backed right half and defended deep inside our own half, we didn't move the ball, we where virtually backed into our 18yd box, we became a mess from the start of the 2nd half, how does that happen.
Something was said to those same 11 individuals that had just been going at full throttle in the first half, full of it, this unnerved them, upset them, thrown them of balance, something that deflated them and took the wind totally out of there sails, and if that's the case the truth will out.
If Randy Lerner was watching that and his NFL coaches where doing the same even though they may not know the sport, as sports coaches they will know they have just witnessed something that was manufactured.
Ireland, Albrighton and N'Zogbia where unstoppable in the first half, Gabby for all his rustiness in that role couldn't keep his mouth shut, pointing directions to everybody all over the shop, 2nd.............Not a peep, Ireland vanishes from the face of the earth, N'zogbia deflates, and Albrighton, I seriously was asking the question was he on the pitch.
Terrible, and frankly I think we all now the truth and a lot of questions have been answered.
The only thing that will now keep Villa up is not Villa, its the fact there are 2 or 3 teams below us incapable of winning and we have the cushion, thank goodness.
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File a complaint with AVFC
http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/ContactUs/0,,10265,00.html
I did that very thing last weak, I even supplied my phone number in case they wanted to call me to discuss the letter.
All I got was the auto reply email from the club and nothing else
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We are unbeaten in 18 our our 27 games, that is sort of positive ish :)
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Of all people, it's fat bastard Dunn who scores the equaliser. The icing on the stinking turdcake that has been our season so far.
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At What point do we as Supporters need to take action?
The action by supporters will be taken in the Summer with chronic season ticket sales.
I'm really not sure it will make a difference though, even if we got relegated.
Yep I'm ashamed to say I will not be renewing my Season Ticket but I just cannot except McLeish's negative boring football
No need to be ashamed mrfuse. I'm not. Eck's fast draining any last vestiges of enthusiasm out of the support, which will be almost impossible to get back whilst he's here,(not that I think he'll be leaving anytime soon).
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At What point do we as Supporters need to take action?
The action by supporters will be taken in the Summer with chronic season ticket sales.
I'm really not sure it will make a difference though, even if we got relegated.
Yep I'm ashamed to say I will not be renewing my Season Ticket but I just cannot except McLeish's negative boring football
No need to be ashamed mrfuse. I'm not. Eck's fast draining any last vestiges of enthusiasm out of the support, which will be almost impossible to get back whilst he's here,(not that I think he'll be leaving anytime soon).
After today's performance I think McLiesh has got one foot out the door and the other is in fast pursuit catching up.
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Dull, uninspiring, boring, predictable.
Watching the Villa these days is like having an extremly boring job. You clock in, put in your hours, you clock out, and you go home.
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RL made a BIG decision to appoint AM.
Unfortunately I think he will stick with that big decision and we will be stuck with AM for at least a couple of seasons yet.
Bollocks!
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Didn't see the game but don't have to anymore - i've given up getting up at 2am to watch this shit. Now i wake up at 5am and lie in bed wondering how we got on only to find I was right not to waste my time again. Every cloud and that.......
The most predicatable result ever from the most predictable Villa team ever.
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McLeish would've gotten the axe at Blxes with this run of form.
A complete joke.
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With the players at his disposal the results are truly atrocious.
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With the players at his disposal the results are truly atrocious.
That's the most damning thing.
He makes the team look less than the sum of the parts.
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I reckon I could take Mark Fletcher at Ker-plunk.
He'd be too busy shouting at himself, rolling his eyes and thumping his fist angrily into his palm to pull any of the little straws out.
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Did the Ewok Park groundsman tell the players that they could only use one end of the pitch today ?
I wish I'd taken some binoculars with me. I'll have too watch MOTD to figure out what went on in that goalmouth scramble.
Anyhow................
First half was pretty good. Great run by Carlos to set up Zog and we could have had a couple more.
Second half was like watching a repeat of the Wigan game from last week.
Good to see Herd back. I really rate the guy and was impressed by the way that he covered back behind Hutton. RB should be Chris' position as long as Gary progresses and cements his place in midfield.
I guess that the long crossfield ball from Collins to Albrighton worked well in training. I can only assume that Bannan was marking Marc in practice, because there was no way that Marc was ever going to win a header against a normal height defender.
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So you have a decent first half against a team who are low on confidence, in the bottom three, have conceded on average of more than two goals a game and who are being barracked by their own supporters.
So do you:
a) Play the second half in the same manner, to build on your lead and leave the opposition in tatters or,
b) Sit back as though you have snatched a goal against the run of play, let the opposition go on the offensive and give them and their fans the belief that they can get something from the game.
Guess which theme the half-time team talk took in the Villa dressing room followed.
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Good first half, could have been three up at the break.
Defended too deep second half, their equaliser was always coming and we were lucky it didn't turn out worse than that.
I'm guessing this has been said at least 40 times on this thread already.
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For 45 minutes, Blackburn didn't even try, gifted us loads of space, and we played well, going a goal up.
As soon as they started looking like they wanted to win the game in the second half, we were never going to hold onto all three points.
I have no idea how this total fucking idiot is managing to stay in the job. 6 wins in 27 games, that is utterly pathetic.
He has got to go, and now. Anyone who thinks we won't get dragged into the relegation battle, despite taking TWO points from matches against Wigan and Blackburn is absolutely kidding themselves.
The worst thing is, he's probably pretty fucking happy with a point.
If he doesn't take us down this year, he will next year. I imagine Lerner and his clueless flunky Faulkner probably think he's doing a decent job.
For fuck's sake, wake up, Lerner, look at what this man is doing to the club and change it before it is too late.
I'm afraid it may be a bad dream to us but Lerner & Faulkner are living the dream - it's all hunkey dorey at VP as far as they are concerned.
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According to wiki (so it must be right) McLeish has the second worst win ratio in Villa management history at 27%. No prizes for guessing the worst - McNeil at 22%.
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I have decided to do anything else but listen or stream our away games for the rest of the season as I seriously think it is bad for my health. Surprisingly, I don't feel too bad about us letting in another late equalizer as I wasn't listening or watching as it happened.
I'm almost content that we didn't lose.
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According to wiki (so it must be right) McLeish has the second worst win ratio in Villa management history at 27%. No prizes for guessing the worst - McNeil at 22%.
I think his league winning ratio is about 22%, so equally bad. Also if you add in the dross that is played, it's a brilliant combination.
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The thing that changed most in the second half was that we lost midfield dominance. I assume Herd was not fully fit and Petrov looked shagged as he emerged from the tunnel, let alone 60 minutes.
By the simple expedient of lumping the ball forward and either keeping hold of it or being the only ones in position to collect the clearance Rovers dominated.
The subs should have come earlier. Gardner did steady the ship a bit, but Petrov should also have been replaced. by whom, I have no idea. The obvious choice is in Greece and his replacement is now in his 6th consecutive season of spending more time on his back with his feet up than Joan Collins.
Us it OK to observe that with Bent on the pitch, the game may well have been over after 30 minutes?
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And for all his faults McLeish is trying, Billy McUseless clearly didn't give a shit.
That makes it worse.
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Shocking 2nd half performance like most of this season. we only looked decent first half because blackburn were so poor. we are very lucky that there's so many shite teams this season. what the hell is happening to us. Dark dark days
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Blackburn have to be one of the worst premier league teams I've ever seen.
In any other season they'd have been relegated by now.
We piss all over them in the first half.....and still couldn't win.
Just not good enough. I can't see McLeish even reaching 40 points this season, something that every other Villa manager has achived in the last 20 years in a full season.
He should be sent packing for that alone.
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The thing that changed most in the second half was that we lost midfield dominance. I assume Herd was not fully fit and Petrov looked shagged as he emerged from the tunnel, let alone 60 minutes.
By the simple expedient of lumping the ball forward and either keeping hold of it or being the only ones in position to collect the clearance Rovers dominated.
The subs should have come earlier. Gardner did steady the ship a bit, but Petrov should also have been replaced. by whom, I have no idea. The obvious choice is in Greece and his replacement is now in his 6th consecutive season of spending more time on his back with his feet up than Joan Collins.
Us it OK to observe that with Bent on the pitch, the game may well have been over after 30 minutes?
No because we play better without Bent remember, so would not have created the chances in the first place. Bent is half our problem. Tsk.
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Not long got back. Why can we only play for 45 minutes?
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Herd did well for me on his first game back for months.
The lad's a battler and if he can improve his distribution sufficently he could be a decent defensive midfielder in the making.
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If anyone knows who the idiot(s) was/were who let the smoke bomb off in the Golden Cup before the match can they please shop them to the police.
At this rate there'll be no pubs left to go to before the match in Blackburn.
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Herd did well for me on his first game back for months.
The lad's a battler and if he can improve his distribution sufficently he could be a decent defensive midfielder in the making.
Great first half, I think he ran out of legs, a very decent prospect, not seen anything from Gardener yet to sugest that he is as good
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Well, here I am in South Africa waiting another hour to watch a recording of the game Midnight now. I will still watch as always do.We used to be one of the three live games.
I would love to have heard the half time pick up talk.
I mean what: " too aggressive guys, hold that three points. Now lie deep, we have done enough"
WTF we according to you chaps were totally in control. Why not " keep going lads brilliant the chances will continue to come, well done" ?
Why always go so deep and allow a team in. Mistakes will happen. Why can't this clown drive us on. Plays for a draw and honestly the most cowardly manager I have ever witnessed. He has done it for years. Had it with this bloke. Get rid.
This team can play. It can. Proved it again first half . Let them, for God's sake. Alex , let them play.
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In all honesty, I don't think Blackburn could play any worse that they did in the first half. In the second they were only going to get better. That, combined with us taking our foot off the pedal, meant we were always going to struggle to hold onto the lead.
Our biggest mistake was not taking the chances we created in the first half, having being gifted so much time and space by them. The game should have been won by half time.
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Didn't see the game but don't have to anymore - i've given up getting up at 2am to watch this shit. Now i wake up at 5am and lie in bed wondering how we got on only to find I was right not to waste my time again. Every cloud and that.......
The most predicatable result ever from the most predictable Villa team ever.
I'm the same Jim- cant be arsed staying up to watch anymore. Only watched a couple of games this season. Wolves Away was the last one.
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11 games left. 11 points to play for.
Post of the day.
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Did the Ewok Park groundsman tell the players that they could only use one end of the pitch today ?
I wish I'd taken some binoculars with me. I'll have too watch MOTD to figure out what went on in that goalmouth scramble.
Anyhow................
First half was pretty good. Great run by Carlos to set up Zog and we could have had a couple more.
Second half was like watching a repeat of the Wigan game from last week.
Good to see Herd back. I really rate the guy and was impressed by the way that he covered back behind Hutton. RB should be Chris' position as long as Gary progresses and cements his place in midfield.
I guess that the long crossfield ball from Collins to Albrighton worked well in training. I can only assume that Bannan was marking Marc in practice, because there was no way that Marc was ever going to win a header against a normal height defender.
Very good summary of what I saw from the Darwen End.
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Herd did well for me on his first game back for months.
The lad's a battler and if he can improve his distribution sufficently he could be a decent defensive midfielder in the making.
His distribution in the first half today was outstanding!
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What was the reaction of the fans at the end? I did the manly thing and turned my computer off in a strop.
There was some booing. A bit of huffing and puffing and then we went on our merry way.
I thought it was all pretty tame - TBF, the players were appreciative of the support and looked pretty miffed at having failed to win.
That's what I was saying.
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Good first half, could have been three up at the break.
Defended too deep second half, their equaliser was always coming and we were lucky it didn't turn out worse than that.
I'm guessing this has been said at least 40 times on this thread already.
This sums up the game without me saying too much else other than tactically, Mcleish is not the brightest when it matters.
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63% possession to Blackburn according to the usually conservative Beeb. That's unacceptable.
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I reckon I could take Mark Fletcher at Ker-plunk.
He'd be too busy shouting at himself, rolling his eyes and thumping his fist angrily into his palm to pull any of the little straws out.
Ker-Plunk?
I'm like that from the minute I wake up.
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In fairness I don't think McLeish wanted us to retreat in the second half. It's certainly not as black and white as us playing well in the first half and told to ease off at the break. Kean was always going to give his team an earful and make changes. That and the crowd encouraging them, we weren't going to have it all our own way. But it's McLeish's job to pre-empt that and he should have had more of a gameplan for the second half.
''Why can't we ever play well for 90 minutes?'' Well, not many sides can. There will always be ascendancy periods and momentum is so important in football. We needed to score a second in the first half today. Or else nab one on the break in the second. We didn't and so, after another game of failing to capitalise, we draw again. Still, at least Liverpool haven't scored more goals than us.
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I can see this going to the last match of the season.
We go to Norwich needing a point to stay up.
We are 3-0 up at half time.
3-2 at 90 mins.
And we lose 4-3 to go down.
Having just watched MOD - it will be poor marking by Hutton for both goals.
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thought we did okay. don't subscribe to the view Mcleish told them to defend at half time. The main problem was Petrov got knackered which is par for the course and we have nobody remotely similar to bring on. So that leaves the kids and Heskey which i'm sure would have gone down well if he'd have come on. We should have beg stealed or borrowed another central midfielder in January becuase Petrov is barely lasting 45 minutes anymore
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The negative effect of this draw is compounded by the fact that the mighty Wigan, who started to turn a corner in their season with the draw against us last week, lost 2-0 at home to 10 man Swansea.
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I always feel that once the fans raid the airing cupboard for an old sheet and the shed for some matt black paint, as a manager, you're fucked.
Mind you, our fans were doing it in July.
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thought we did okay. don't subscribe to the view Mcleish told them to defend at half time. The main problem was Petrov got knackered which is par for the course and we have nobody remotely similar to bring on. So that leaves the kids and Heskey which i'm sure would have gone down well if he'd have come on. We should have beg stealed or borrowed another central midfielder in January becuase Petrov is barely lasting 45 minutes anymore
Agree Herd and Petrov were knackered and not suprising considering both back from injuries
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thought we did okay. don't subscribe to the view Mcleish told them to defend at half time. The main problem was Petrov got knackered which is par for the course and we have nobody remotely similar to bring on. So that leaves the kids and Heskey which i'm sure would have gone down well if he'd have come on. We should have beg stealed or borrowed another central midfielder in January becuase Petrov is barely lasting 45 minutes anymore
Agree Herd and Petrov were knackered and not suprising considering both back from injuries
Yep. Petrov at his age should be a sub - he's the first name on the team sheet currently becuse the penny pinching has got to dangerous levels. Mental
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Herd made all the difference in the first half. There's a lot of promise there.
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Personally I think Petrov should start, but he should be subbed more often (earlier). The chances are it will either be Herd/Clark/Gardner/Bannan partnering him (and coming on) so his experience will be valuable.
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thought we did okay. don't subscribe to the view Mcleish told them to defend at half time. The main problem was Petrov got knackered which is par for the course and we have nobody remotely similar to bring on. So that leaves the kids and Heskey which i'm sure would have gone down well if he'd have come on. We should have beg stealed or borrowed another central midfielder in January becuase Petrov is barely lasting 45 minutes anymore
Agree Herd and Petrov were knackered and not suprising considering both back from injuries
Yep. Petrov at his age should be a sub - he's the first name on the team sheet currently becuse the penny pinching has got to dangerous levels. Mental
Petrov has to start. I realise he fades slightly (to put it mildly) in the second half but we played some excellent football first half today. Herd played very well, but I don't think we have another player capable of doing the 'playing it calm and simple' role, thus we have to carry on with what we have.
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The defence has come in for some stick this season but in the first half with the midfield operating as it should they did well, lets face it Blackburn couldn't have played worse than they did in the first half and with our midfield fading it was odds on they'd score. Puzzled that Nzog was subbed when i thought he was more effective than Ireland defensively but they both let the side down with Ireland especially lacking in effort. Thought Cuellar put in another good performance but i've just about given up on Albrighton, he doesn't seem to have much in his locker exept a willingness to work hard.Fulham next week is crucilal hate to be in MCleishes shoes should we go behind.
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thought we did okay. don't subscribe to the view Mcleish told them to defend at half time. The main problem was Petrov got knackered which is par for the course and we have nobody remotely similar to bring on. So that leaves the kids and Heskey which i'm sure would have gone down well if he'd have come on. We should have beg stealed or borrowed another central midfielder in January becuase Petrov is barely lasting 45 minutes anymore
Spot on Greg.
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Difficult to believe it was the same team in both halves. Very impressed with them first half, energetic, confident, competitive and seemed to have thrown off the shackles of the safety first tactics seen so often, albeit against poor opposition.
Second half, same old, same old. Give that level of performance its hard to see where the next win is coming from.
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I decided to spend the afternoon in Spain where I discovered the existence of "Tit" Cheese. On our way back, we stopped at a local supermarché which was selling a [nice] red wine marketed as Vin de "Merde"
An afternoon of tits and shite. How was yours?
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Only saw the first half and clearly the game changed a lot. Blackburn were so outrageously bad - I mean really, really bad - in the first half that you can't read too much into it. But several of our players played very well indeed. If albrighton and gabby had been more dangerous, we'd have been out of sight. Petrov and especially herd and ireland ran the game, both full backs excellent going fwds and cnz very dangerous if erratic.
We should just about be ok but I suspect it may be tight. And next season is a real concern for me. I'm pleased we have a good youth system but we seem to be placing too much faith in the kids. They're all doing well in spells but then less well in spells. Albrighton looked very average to me yday
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That formation is used to get the best out of N'Zogbia cutting in but he's not the most potent goal threat, Gabby/Bent are and we should play to their strengths with N'Zogbia and Albrighton getting earlier crosses in to take advantage of their movement.
*I should quote someone above but I cant remember who it was.
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I have this superstition, one of many, that if I am not at a Villa game I have to be out of sight and earshot of any indication of how it is going. So I spent the afternoon putting up bird boxes and spreading on my garden the manure generated by my horses.
So Mr English we had similar Saturday afternoons of tits and shite.
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I would love to have heard the half time pick up talk.
I mean what: " too aggressive guys, hold that three points. Now lie deep, we have done enough"
WTF we according to you chaps were totally in control. Why not " keep going lads brilliant the chances will continue to come, well done" ?
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He reminded the team that this is Blackburn we are playing. One of the GIANTS of Premier League have won it in 1994. He told them that we were very lucky to be leading so don't do anything silly now by thinking we can score another. The 4 defenders hug the goal line and you 5 in midfield stick around our 18 yard box and good luck gabby!
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11 games left. 11 points to play for.
Post of the day.
And you can be sure he will deliver that. He is Mr Consistent.
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Blackburn have to be one of the worst premier league teams I've ever seen.
In any other season they'd have been relegated by now.
We piss all over them in the first half.....and still couldn't win.
Just not good enough. I can't see McLeish even reaching 40 points this season, something that every other Villa manager has achived in the last 20 years in a full season.
He should be sent packing for that alone.
Wigan were worse last week - Swansea showed how we should have played at the DW - but I agree that Blackburn were abject.
Credit to Kean for putting on two subbs at halftime who made the difference to their game. They gave Hutton a right torrid time in the second half.
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Today certainly looked more of a case of Blackburn being a total disgrace in the 1st half and actually turning up for the 2nd half rather than anything we did.
spot on
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Sat in hotel indigo sipping champers and looking forward to a good feed. good point from where Im sat! 9 points off the drop with 11 games to go. think well win the next two and finish well.
Pleased to see heskey didn't start
steady on the champagne mate
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I don't think we should be so affected by our dislike of our manager to genuinely believe that he told them to sit back in the second half yesterday, he didn't, but Blackburn came out of the blocks quickly and the players panicked. We desperately need some leadership, the gaps that developed between Gabby and the rest of the team were never going to sustain a lead for a whole half. It's difficult to judge the first half performance because Blackburn didn't put a tackle in but again there were promising signs in the link up play between Ireland and N'Zogbia. Albrighton, regrettably, has definitely gone backwards though. As a slight winger he needs to have a turn of pace to compensate and he doesn't. Impressed by Herd though, he was never heralded as much of some of our other youngsters but could well have emerged to be the best of the lot.
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Today certainly looked more of a case of Blackburn being a total disgrace in the 1st half and actually turning up for the 2nd half rather than anything we did.
Yes but, if you can't put to passes together like the 2nd half, you're not doing youself any favours. It was painful to watch.
spot on
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Same old, same old. We just can't ever get that second goal and again we pay the price.
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Heskey was the wrong choice against Wigan but yesterday I would have brought him on and move Gabby wide..Heskey is good at falling over and getting freekicks this would have disrupted their rhythm and Gabby's pace out wide would have given us an out ball as Albrighton was ineffective out there.
At the least in the 2nd half I would of have the wingers swap sides to see if they could get into the game more.
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MotD highlights (http://www.101greatgoals.com/gvideos/blackburn-1-aston-villa-1-motd/)
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Really good first half display but our failure to kill teams of cost us again. I thought Herd had a good game and Huttons performance was better apart from his marking on the goal.