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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: Legion on March 02, 2012, 07:23:50 PM
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Available Saturday afternoon.
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I'm hearing on twitter it's the line up we all want, not confirmed yet.
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Given, Hutton, Collins, Cuellar, Warnock, Albrighton, Petrov, Herd, N'Zogbia, Ireland, Agbonlahor
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If we lose the Manager is shit.
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“@AVFCOfficial: VILLA: Given, Hutton, Collins, Cuellar, Warnock, Albrighton, Petrov, Herd, N'Zogbia, Ireland, Agbonlahor. #AVFC”
Confirmed
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If we lose the Manager is shit.
If we win he's even shitter.
We found this formation when Bent was out and played our best, he hasn't played it since.
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That's a good team, in my opinion. Should be good enough to beat Blackburn if we go for it.
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“@AVFCOfficial: VILLA: Given, Hutton, Collins, Cuellar, Warnock, Albrighton, Petrov, Herd, N'Zogbia, Ireland, Agbonlahor. #AVFC”
Confirmed
Who does Heskey come on for ? ;)
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Thats the team I wanted that I posted in the pre-match thread, with the exception of Herd for Clark who I assume isn't fit. Happy with that, but I was quite happy with the team he picked at Wigan, didn't stop him employing awful tactics.
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That's a good team, in my opinion. Should be good enough to beat Blackburn if we go for it.
Just to clarify, by 'a good team' I mean it's the right one to pick in the circumstances! I don't think it's that good in and of itself.
Anyway, I was surprisingly confident we'd win this, then I saw that Risso was going to this one, which seems to herald a stinker of a performance.
Ah, he's bound to get some luck sometime, and so are we. 3-0 to us.
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Thats the team I wanted that I posted in the pre-match thread, with the exception of Herd for Clark who I assume isn't fit. Happy with that, but I was quite happy with the team he picked at Wigan, didn't stop him employing awful tactics.
That is the key.
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We should do well with that team looks good to me come on Villa three points please.
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Sadly, we'll play like frightened rabbits and good players will look awful.
i hope we scrape a draw.
Well, actually i hope we win 8-0 but realistically I hope we draw.
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Right Mcleish get us a fucking win, we need it desperately.
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Stream a little frozen... (http://www.firstrowsports.tv/)
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The team looks good so lets hope we can perform and go on a decent rum of form as from today.
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I like the look of that team. Bit more solidity in midfield compared to the Wigan line-up, and potential creativity and pace up front. When you see a team like that you wonder why we're struggling so much. Then you realise.
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The team looks good so lets hope we can perform and go on a decent rum of form as from today.
Rum? Ask me at FT.
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Yep best team to pick under the circumstances. No Ivanhoe in midfield thankfully. Blackburn are going to scrap and scrap hard but we should have enough to beat them.
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If we lose the Manager is shit.
If we win he's even shitter.
We found this formation when Bent was out and played our best, he hasn't played it since.
Because it would have been an easy decision to leave out your record signing when was fit again wouldn't it? And it would have also created a million new threads on how it meant we are a selling club and we're about to cash in on Bent.
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that team has the quality to win . we should be higher than we are with the players we have . You have to blame the manager .
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If we lose the Manager is shit.
If we win he's even shitter.
We found this formation when Bent was out and played our best, he hasn't played it since.
Because it would have been an easy decision to leave out your record signing when was fit again wouldn't it? And it would have also created a million new threads on how it meant we are a selling club and we're about to cash in on Bent.
How many games have we won without Bent?
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Every cloud..... Has bent played welll this season? No
451 is Mcleish's preferred formation with Bent it never worked
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links anyone?
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http://www.firstrowsports.eu/
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How i'd love us to win. It would be such a 'phew' moment. C'mon villa!
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“@AVFCOfficial: VILLA: Given, Hutton, Collins, Cuellar, Warnock, Albrighton, Petrov, Herd, N'Zogbia, Ireland, Agbonlahor. #AVFC”
Confirmed
Who does Heskey come on for ? ;)
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Blackburn preferably
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Should be enough in that team McShit has picked to beat Blackburn.
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Praying for a win here. Anything but three points and we're sinking into the bottom mess with real momentum.
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Should win, a draw would be deflating but not a complete disaster. A loss doesn't bear thinking about.
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Praying for a win here. Anything but three points and we're sinking into the bottom mess with real momentum.
Absolutely.
We need to go all out for a win on this one, none of the pathetic Wigan type tactics.
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I'm nervous.
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Decent link anyone? The IraqGoals/EPL live link to Villa against Blackburn goes to Stoke/Norwich!
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I'm watching on Villastreams but try googling 'vipbox' for streams
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Watching Man City v Bolton. How Bolton aren't three or four nil down inside 4 minutes defies belief.
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http://www.vipbox.tv/watch/37582/2/blackburn-rovers-vs-aston-villa-live-stream-online.html
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Well I know McLeish does seem a bit confused and desperate at the moment but either my link to the Villa match is not working or we have adopted a very similar style to rugby.
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Plenty of possesson thus far. Blackburn look poor.
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http://www.vipbox.tv/watch/37585/1/stoke-city-vs-norwich-city-live-stream-online.html
It's not Stoke v Norwich
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Blackburn look very vulnerable to me.
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www.firstrowsports.eu/watch/111030/1/watch-blackburn-rovers-vs-aston-villa.html
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http://www.firstrowsports.eu/watch/111030/1/watch-blackburn-rovers-vs-aston-villa.html
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I am nervous as shit. Shaking like a shitting puppy.
I'd love this season to end now.
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Well I know McLeish does seem a bit confused and desperate at the moment but either my link to the Villa match is not working or we have adopted a very similar style to rugby.
ha!
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Playing ok. Gabby needs to learn how to move from Bent.
How Ireland was left out the last 2 is beyond me. Best footballer we have.
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We have an unbelievable amount of time and space in midfield.
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I found this:
http://www.tvonline-live.com/player/ch.php?title=Blackburn%20vs%20Aston%20Villa&type=leton&id=fgfg1vdsv
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Playing ok. Gabby needs to learn how to move from Bent.
How Ireland was left out the last 2 is beyond me. Best footballer we have.
I think you've answered your own question there Ozz!
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we're too narrow again, has picked the right team but albrighton and nzogbia are on the wrong sides of the pitch, means we're dragging the defenders towards ireland and leaving him with no space.
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Plenty of possesson thus far. Blackburn look poor.
They are shit not much better than Wigan. We really need to something out of this.
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Pretty impressive stuff so far, albeit without really testing their 'keeper. Much better than last time out, though.
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Anyway, afternoon chaps. How are you all?
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http://www.firstrowsports.eu/
good except for heathen commentator
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Why the fuck are the 2 wingers on the opposite sides to their natural?
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Well done Gabby, positive at least.
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Plenty of possesson thus far. Blackburn look poor.
They are shit not much better than Wigan. We really need to something out of this.
On the evidence so far, this is a must win game. We are not going to play a poorer side I wouldn't have thought.
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Getting plenty of possession and passing it round quite well. Think we could win this
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www.firstrowsports.eu/watch/111030/1/watch-blackburn-rovers-vs-aston-villa.html
It's a good stream, not withstanding it sounds like the nasal tones of Trevor Francis comentating.
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gotta love first row sports apart fro the fact they have a blue nose commentating! Francis is nearly as biased as Alan Smith! Come on Villa!
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We started the Wolves game like this though. Then they murdered us for 45 minutes before Keane decided enough was enough.
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Finish Charles!!!!
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We should win it they are awful.
NZOG!!!!!
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BOoOOOOOOOOOOOOM!!!!
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Get fucking in.....
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Carlos Messi!!
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Mr Cuellar!
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Hmm. We are doing OK, but Rovers getting back into it at the moment. If our lot could just keep their confidence, keep ...
YEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSS! Bam! Get in!
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Carlos!!!! Zogggy !!!!!
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Yes get in N'Zog!!!!!!!!!!
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great goal
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Beauty
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Fucking get in! What a good goal that was.
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Good work from Carlos there, too.
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YYYYYYEEEEESSSSSS! Great finish Charles and fantastic run by Carlos
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Carlos, you fucking genius!
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GET IN!
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Please sign a new deal Carlos, and to be honest in his last few starts N'Zog has been very good.
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Brilliant from Ireland there.
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Superb from cuellar, great finish from nzog.
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Wondarful Cuellar
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Yeeeeeeeeeeesssssssss
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What a pass from Carlos!! Great finish Charlie.
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great run by carlos
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Mr Cuellar!
Indeed, quality
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Great play from Cuellar
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the complete piss take is that Ireland and NZogbia should have played last week and are showing why.
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Deserved that. Playing the ball around well and getting behind them. Meeting a team with confidence more fragile and home fans (even) more jittery and impatient than our own.
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Listen to the boys sing.....
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Come on :D
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Are we going to score from a corner?
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Carlos Beckenbauer turns provider there.
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Ireland and N'Zogbia really do make difference for us when they are on song, they just add a little class and assurance to the way we play. If we can keep patient and confident enough to pass the ball around, keep those two of them involved, we'll do some decent stuff.
If we resort to aimless boots up the field, to sitting back in our own half, we won't.
There. Simple.
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Why the fuck are the 2 wingers on the opposite sides to their natural?
After watching Young and Downing for years, and Morley if you're old enough, you still don't know?
EDIT: and while I was posting he scored! He didn't cut in and hit it with his stronger foot by any chance did he?
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We have more space than Luke Skywalker.
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This is a decent display so far.
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Are we going to score from a corner?
Now you are being ridiculous.
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Dirty bastard
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Gabby took one in the crown jewels there
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the complete piss take is that Ireland and NZogbia should have played last week and are showing why.
They never ever deserved to be dropped, it was madness.
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Did the ref call that advantage..?
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Feck off pubehead.
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We are finding so much space here. How the fuck did this lot win at Old Trafford?
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Twat face is in the stands.
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Martin O Neill ('s Sunderland) in the crowd.
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We are finding so much space here. How the fuck did this lot win at Old Trafford?
We're finding lots of space because Blackburn keep leaving us loads of it to move into. They look really, really poor.
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Why the fuck are the 2 wingers on the opposite sides to their natural?
After watching Young and Downing for years, and Morley if you're old enough, you still don't know?
I know the reason, but it is a continuously stupid one.
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You know for a fact that had Collins or Tonne been in the same position as cuellar he would have shot and missed.
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Fuck me Ireland and N'Zog make us look so much better.
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We are tearing these too bits, mind you they are shit.
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I hope a Collins clearance smacks the pube-headed poison dwarf right in the gob.
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You'd have to say Blackburn are really shit. Still good stuff from us though.
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Fuck me! There are smiles on the players' faces.
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Nice to see players playing with a smile on their faces
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Everton winning which is good news
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It's because Ireland and N'Zog being in the team actually gives us some craft, fucking learn Mcleish you should have seen it enough times.
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good so far, but it goes without saying we need a second goal.
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Are we going to score from a corner?
Now you are being ridiculous.
Ok, ok so I am.
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Give old Beelzebub his due, he commentates on a lot of Villa games and he's always very fair IMO.
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Bolton & QPR losing
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I don't think McLeish knows what system to play to accomodate Bent. We currently have a far better shape to us.
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Brilliant Gabby.
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This one, with Gabby on the bench.
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We are passing it around well, there you Mcleish Ireland and N'Zog will do that for you.
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Blackburn are woeful
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Ha ha Villa fans singing "Only one Keano"
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I don't think McLeish knows what system to play to accomodate Bent. We currently have a far better shape to us.
Was just about to comment on this, too. This is the formation we played early on in the season and we looked pretty solid back then.
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Petrov appears to be in 'shoot-on-sight' mode today. Good for him.
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Diving little shit.
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I know the moaners won't agree, but we are a much better team with Petrov in there.
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Bolton & QPR losing
And Blackburn (winky thing)
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Anyone got a working stream. Mine's gone awol.
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I know the moaners won't agree, but we are a much better team with Petrov in there.
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Yep we are, also with Gabby through the middle too.
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Brilliant Gabby.
Has to be one of the best Villa performances so far, Gabby is huge up front, really vocal, right where he should, this side works....
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Anyone got a working stream. Mine's gone awol.
It's not great... http://soccer-room6.blogspot.com/2011/11/sr1.html
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QPR level
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What a back heel there
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Good effort Steve.
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I've got a large bag of Nandos Peri Peri crisps in the kitchen.
I think I'll live a little and open them at half time.
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Ireland is a real player when in teh mood.
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Ireland is fantastic. Keane going is a shame, but I'm glad it means we get Ireland in the team and playing behind a front man.
Long term he has to be our main man in that position.
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I know the moaners won't agree, but we are a much better team with Petrov in there.
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Yep we are, also with Gabby through the middle too.
We are better with this formation and 1 up front, 2 holding centre mids and 2 wide men. Bent would get more than Gabby in this formation though.
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Absolute class from Ireland there
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Why the fuck are the 2 wingers on the opposite sides to their natural?
After watching Young and Downing for years, and Morley if you're old enough, you still don't know?
I know the reason, but it is a continuously stupid one.
Not as stupid as asking a question when you know the answer.
Anyway, never worked for the players I mentioned. Where does Stupid Fergie play Young?
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Agree with that, OzzJim, although it's worth pointing out that Gabby doess a fair bit of work in this formation to make it work. But yeah, I think Bent would get more goals.
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Not impressed by Dann thus far
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Fuck, that's a good save from Robinson!
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Should be two. Unlucky N'Zo.
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Should've scored there. Had to score there.
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Good save. Shame it wasn't passed across to Marc who was unmarked.
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To be honest I'm wondering whether as well as he played individually if Keane had a detriment on the team. Having Ireland back in in his correct position is making us so so much better.
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Anyone got a working stream. Mine's gone awol.
Mine went to 'Banned'. I'm on this now:
http://www.firstrowsports.eu/watch/111030/2/watch-blackburn-rovers-vs-aston-villa.html
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Oh Gabby. Shoulda scored. Bent woulda finished that. N'Zo and Ireland are playing brilliantly.
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If we don't win this game I may weep.
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I've got a large bag of Nandos Peri Peri crisps in the kitchen.
I think I'll live a little and open them at half time.
You can get Nando's crisps? Must look out for those.
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We should be out of sight by now.They're awful.
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Why the fuck are the 2 wingers on the opposite sides to their natural?
After watching Young and Downing for years, and Morley if you're old enough, you still don't know?
I know the reason, but it is a continuously stupid one.
Not as stupid as asking a question when you know the answer.
Anyway, never worked for the players I mentioned. Where does Stupid Fergie play Young?
Young being slightly different in that he is a left winger by position that is right footed, and fergie has played him across all 3 front roles.
Downing and Albrighton were always much better on their natural sides though last season I am sure you would accept. And where did the stupid fergie play the left winger Giggs much of his career? Pretty strange manager to pick for the argument.
Slow reactions from Gabby there.
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This is like a recreation of our home match against Swansea, with Blackburn playing us, and us playing Swansea.
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Wow we've got wingers!!!!!!!!!!
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Half way there :)
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Ireland, N'Zog linking up brilliantly and nearly set Gabby up. We have to win this.
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Good half Villa. Where has this self belief come from? We are keeping the ball but also as soon as we lose it we are fighting to win it back. Need a good second half now as all season we have struggled to play well in both halves.
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Should be out of sight by now - they nearly got level with the last kick of the half. Need to score early on in the second half and watch their heads drop.
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We should be out of sight by now,
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We should get more than 1 goal.
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Good half, Villa. To be honest, I really wasn't looking forward to this game, but we've been much, much brighter than I expected. The only downside is that we should have had the game won by now.
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Mcleish should be fired if he drops Ireland or N'Zog again.
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If this ends 0-1 Cuellar is my motm what a run! Ireland is doing all the tricks today hopefully we can finish them off and keep a clean sheet.
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I know it's only half time and things could change but Blackburn have been totally inept. And we think we have problems.
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Half way there :)
Living on a prayer?
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I've got a large bag of Nandos Peri Peri crisps in the kitchen.
I think I'll live a little and open them at half time.
Easy, boy!
Let's finish this lot off early second half. The confidence is there and thanks to Carlos, the defence looks organised and solid.
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Mcleish should be fired if he drops Ireland or N'Zog again.
He really should be fired anyway
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Blackburn are playing like we normally play their not closing down anywhere on the pitch, its just a shame halftime has broke up our momentum
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So far so good and as said earlier in the week the Bent injury maybe a blessing, this side looks completely different, players not reliant on lumping the long ball in for the big fella up front, they are having to pass the ball and work hard, Ireland and Gabby are linking very well, N'Zogbia look comfortable and Albrighton is putting in a shift.
Better team, better work ethic, and Gabby is applying an awful lot of influence up front, hopefully once the game goes on and he gets back to the sharpness required up front, he'll respond even faster.
Not disguising the fact that Blackburn look awful of course.
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All 11 players playing well. Only 1-0 up though which is worrying with the dominance we had.
Ireland has been outstanding.
Blackburn have been utterly abysmal.
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I've just had 3 squares of a Milky Bar and drinking a brew.
We've played well. Blackburn are the cackest team I have ever seen. And I mean ever.
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It really does beg the question of what role Bent has at the club? He is a valuable asset, our record signing, and a player that we've after for a long time. Yet, arguably we play a lot more complete when he's not in the team and we have Gabby leading the line. I want us to have the guns to supply Bent but I fear that would be an investment too far for us. It might just be easier to cash in, and reinvest in fortifying this strategy and players that can work within this system.
Just thinking out loud like.
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Much better performance but we're still too narrow and we really needed to get 2 or 3 for the amount of play we had.
Regarding the wingers it's all about horses for courses, young is great on the left wing as he can drift in and make things happen or shoot on his stronger foot, Albrighton isn't comfortable doing that and doesn't really provide anything from the left. From the right he sticks wide and tries to get to the line, and can deliver when he gets there, it also means that the left back has to move out wider and creates gaps for Ireland to move into.
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It really does beg the question of what role Bent has at the club? He is a valuable asset, our record signing, and a player that we've after for a long time. Yet, arguably we play a lot more complete when he's not in the team and we have Gabby leading the line. I want us to have the guns to supply Bent but I fear that would be an investment too far for us. It might just be easier to cash in, and reinvest in fortifying this strategy and players that can work within this system.
Just thinking out loud like.
Toronto: we look a team with Gabby up front and he ties defenders up and allows the likes of Ireland and N'Zogbia more time on the ball.
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Pretty good so far. We look much better with three proper midfielders playing central midfield.
We are moving the ball around very well.
Our only problem is that it has been one way traffic but we only have one goal to show for it.
McLeish looked totally baffled in one camera shot. He's not the only one. Why has he not picked a balanced side like this more often?
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I'm a little concerned we're only one up, to be frank.
That plus the number of times this season we've seen Villa put in one really decent half, plus one utterly awful one, frightens me.
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Good half Villa. Where has this self belief come from? We are keeping the ball but also as soon as we lose it we are fighting to win it back. Need a good second half now as all season we have struggled to play well in both halves.
The side finally looks balanced. We've spent most of the season trying and failing to accomodate both Bent and Gabby. For me, Gabby offers the team far more.
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Good half Villa. Where has this self belief come from? We are keeping the ball but also as soon as we lose it we are fighting to win it back. Need a good second half now as all season we have struggled to play well in both halves.
The side finally looks balanced. We've spent most of the season trying and failing to accomodate both Bent and Gabby. For me, Gabby offers the team far more.
Tempting providence here, but one million% agree.
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I've just had 3 squares of a Milky Bar and drinking a brew.
I've had four - yes, four - custard creams and am drinking coffee
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Good half Villa. Where has this self belief come from? We are keeping the ball but also as soon as we lose it we are fighting to win it back. Need a good second half now as all season we have struggled to play well in both halves.
The side finally looks balanced. We've spent most of the season trying and failing to accomodate both Bent and Gabby. For me, Gabby offers the team far more.
I've been very impressed with Chris Herd so far today.
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So there you have it. Bent's 9 goals are expunged.
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I am gonna hit the Scottish Shortbread
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Whats the words to the song that finishes with
'Louie Suarez you know what you are'
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Mug of Twining's tea and Marmite cheese on toast for me.
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Dunne on.
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Whenever we play Blackburn and they bring Dunn on, I always think he's going to do something against us.
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So there you have it. Bent's 9 goals are expunged.
9 goals in a team playing some of the most dour shit defensive football ever played by a Villa team I can remember.
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Whats the words to the song that finishes with
'Louie Suarez you know what you are'
You know what you are,
You know what you are,
Louie (sic) Suarez you know what you are.
A stupid ugly racist that is.
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Whenever we play Blackburn and they bring Dunn on, I always think he's going to do something against us.
Me too
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Mug of Twining's tea and Marmite cheese on toast for me.
Earl Grey?
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I am gonna hit the Scottish Shortbread
I hope you knock some sense into him Fergal and he picks the same team next seek.
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Dunne on.
He's injured.
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Bacon & egg butties on brown bread with pepper and brown sauce plus a cuppa.
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Whenever we play Blackburn and they bring Dunn on, I always think he's going to do something against us.
But then you realise it's David Dunn and he's fucking shit?
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Fucking hell.
Wake up, Villa.
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Dunne on.
He's injured.
Dunn.
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Mug of Twining's tea and Marmite cheese on toast for me.
Earl Grey?
Yeuch. English Breakfast.
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Whenever we play Blackburn and they bring Dunn on, I always think he's going to do something against us.
But then you realise it's David Dunn and he's fucking shit?
Actually, I've always thought he was a decent player.
My main problem with him is how much he looks like Martin Freeman from The Office.
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Terrible defending.
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Come on Villa
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So there you have it. Bent's 9 goals are expunged.
Well I guess it's a question of preferring Bent's nine goals and drawing/losing whilst playing poorly or 20 goals from various players and Villa wins.
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Whats the words to the song that finishes with
'Louie Suarez you know what you are'
You know what you are,
You know what you are,
Louie (sic) Suarez you know what you are.
A stupid ugly racist that is.
I thought there was more to it than that.
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I don't think Bent is the whole issue, it was moving Ireland from his position to accommodate Keane and dropping N'Zogbia that fucked us.
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So there you have it. Bent's 9 goals are expunged.
Well I guess it's a question of preferring Bent's nine goals and drawing/losing whilst playing poorly or 20 goals from various players and Villa wins.
More goals from one player versus more points for the team is something some people can't quite get their heads round.
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Good work from Robinson, there.
Hope he moves on if Blackburn go down, excellent keeper.
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Robbinson you bastard. Good save, well played Villa. Again Gabby did well up top.
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Blackburn have started a bit better.
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What's the odds on Ireland to score? where's ray winstons fat floating head when you need it?
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So there you have it. Bent's 9 goals are expunged.
Well I guess it's a question of preferring Bent's nine goals and drawing/losing whilst playing poorly or 20 goals from various players and Villa wins.
More goals from one player versus more points for the team is something some people can't quite get their heads round.
Any team managed by AM will not score many goals, history proves that.
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Herd's been excellent, I think.
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Christ almighty, Villa.
Living dangerously there.
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That was a bit too close.
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For all the talk about a "balanced" side, Villa are hopeless in front of goal and continue to play the good 1st half, shit ourselves in the 2nd type tactics.
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We were lucky then. Come on Villa wake up.
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We are starting to defend too deep... playing for a 1-0 win!
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That was close. dann should have scored
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This could get worrying
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Gabby's not doing so well.
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We are starting to defend too deep... playing for a 1-0 win!
Slightest bit of pressure and we look shaky as fuck.
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Rovers fans getting behind their team, we need 10 minutes of pressure to quieten things down
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Hutton is a twat
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They were always going to come out all guns blazing. Withstand this for another few minutes then score to finish them off
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We had possibly the easiest 45 minutes a Premier League team has had this season and only managed to get 1 goal. We'll be made to pay for not taking advantage of it if we keep on playing like this.
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Set play, shitting it, good job Blackburn are shit
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bit more fight from blackburn. they have advantages in terms of physical strength over us so we need to stop giving away unnecessary set pieces
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Cup of Tea and a Crunchie.
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What time do you think Heskey will be on?
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Its so hard to watch Villa when we are under pressure, you just know we'll let one in. I'm sure this is felt by the players too.
We need to get rid of this mindset.
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Don't understand why we are not pressing anymore in midfield and up front, why have we taken the foot of the gas.
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SOmebody needs to put their foot on the ball a bit.
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Don't understand why we are not pressing anymore in midfield and up front, why have we taken the foot of the gas.
We are protecting a lead.
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Fucking hell Villa, must have been another inspiring Mcleish team talk because we are going backwards.
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We've started to concede midfield a bit too much. As we always do when we do our worst.
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Dreadful second half so far. Pathetic.
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Desperate defending
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So there you have it. Bent's 9 goals are expunged.
Well I guess it's a question of preferring Bent's nine goals and drawing/losing whilst playing poorly or 20 goals from various players and Villa wins.
More goals from one player versus more points for the team is something some people can't quite get their heads round.
The point is being totally missed by the blinding faith people have because of the ties Gabby has to the club. He is not as good a forward as Darren Bent, who would have done a lot more than Gabby did with the chance at the end of the first half, moves a lot more than Gabby, gets in front of defenders and actually scores regularly. We have played just as well with Bent in the side. Claret and Blue specs say he is not Gabby though.
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WTF are we doing, as someone slipped the lads a micky or something.
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Blackburn are a really poor side and at times they make us look desperate.
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Blimey, they really are rubbish. It's a bit harsh to say "why aren't we more than one up", but the dropping deeper is getting irritating.
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What time do you think Heskey will be on?
LoL my thoughts exactly, At least Keane had some effect at halftime which is more than McLeish usually has when we need to step up.
I wonder how he will respond ....I think we all know the answer
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Gabby is qualty. That is all.
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Petrov is out on his feet, his reactions have gone and he looks totally flat-footed. Needs to be subbed but I guarantee he'll be on for at least another 15minutes, this is where McLeish shows his lack of tactical awareness.
I'd take off Gabby and give Weimann the last 15-20 as well.
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You can tangibly see Blackburn can sense that we are letting them play.
GABBY, I demand a goal.
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Resorting to type I am afraid... we are going to concede its just a matter of time!
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making BBN look good
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It really is infuriating.
When we play a side who chase the ball down and actually try to get it, we retreat into our shell and drop deeper and deeper and invite them onto us.
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That doesn't look good for Collins.
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Losing the midfield battle a bit.. Heskey'll be on soon to sort that I'm sure..
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It really is infuriating.
When we play a side who chase the ball down and actually try to get it, we retreat into our shell and drop deeper and deeper and invite them onto us.
That'd be Mcleish's management, instead of going for the kill we curl up into a ball and hide.
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I'd disagree, Gabby is a better all round player than Bent, but his movement in the box is not as good. I'd even say their finishing is on par, Bent misses sitters too. Bent just has that brilliant ability to get in that space more often so gets more chances to score. Owen was like this, he scored lots of goals but also missed a lot too.
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Albrighton's not done a great deal today.
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I'd disagree, Gabby is a better all round player than Bent, but his movement in the box is not as good. I'd even say their finishing is on par, Bent misses sitters too. Bent just has that brilliant ability to get in that space more often so gets more chances to score. Owen was like this, he scored lots of goals but also missed a lot too.
Bang on for me.
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I can feel the shit storm brewing. A team that looked like one of the worst outfits we have played in years has now started to make us look shit.
Answers on a post card...
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What has happened? Comical defense. Can't get the ball out
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Albrighton's not done a great deal today.
He never will from the left wing, I've never seen him play well there, that's why it's so frustrating that McLeish insists on playing him there.
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awful defending from cuellar in the middle of that.
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Great save Given.
How come when we play well it only lasts half a game?
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Petrov back from injury needs looking after not flogging to death.
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Why can we not play well for 90 minutes?
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FFS - we can't put 1 pass together.
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I'd disagree, Gabby is a better all round player than Bent, but his movement in the box is not as good. I'd even say their finishing is on par, Bent misses sitters too. Bent just has that brilliant ability to get in that space more often so gets more chances to score. Owen was like this, he scored lots of goals but also missed a lot too.
Most top forwards miss more because they are there more. Gabby is always behind the defender. He is a decent target man, but never a top 4-6 player. The MO of a centre forward is to score goals and that is what they are measured on.
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Fuck's sake.
Why can't we get the fucking ball and slow it down a bit?
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So there you have it. Bent's 9 goals are expunged.
Well I guess it's a question of preferring Bent's nine goals and drawing/losing whilst playing poorly or 20 goals from various players and Villa wins.
More goals from one player versus more points for the team is something some people can't quite get their heads round.
The point is being totally missed by the blinding faith people have because of the ties Gabby has to the club. He is not as good a forward as Darren Bent, who would have done a lot more than Gabby did with the chance at the end of the first half, moves a lot more than Gabby, gets in front of defenders and actually scores regularly. We have played just as well with Bent in the side. Claret and Blue specs say he is not Gabby though.
+1
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I think our players are mentally weak. They are all capable enough but crumble under the slightest pressure.
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This is just fucking surreal.
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I'd disagree, Gabby is a better all round player than Bent, but his movement in the box is not as good. I'd even say their finishing is on par, Bent misses sitters too. Bent just has that brilliant ability to get in that space more often so gets more chances to score. Owen was like this, he scored lots of goals but also missed a lot too.
Most top forwards miss more because they are there more. Gabby is always behind the defender. He is a decent target man, but never a top 4-6 player. The MO of a centre forward is to score goals and that is what they are measured on.
Gabby is more important to us than Bent ever will be.
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Albrighton's not done a great deal today.
He never will from the left wing, I've never seen him play well there, that's why it's so frustrating that McLeish insists on playing him there.
Given is having a great half.
Playing wingers on the wrong side is tactical brilliance apparently.
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WHAT THE FUCK? Why have we suddenly gone from easily outplaying these to this?
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I'd disagree, Gabby is a better all round player than Bent, but his movement in the box is not as good. I'd even say their finishing is on par, Bent misses sitters too. Bent just has that brilliant ability to get in that space more often so gets more chances to score. Owen was like this, he scored lots of goals but also missed a lot too.
Most top forwards miss more because they are there more. Gabby is always behind the defender. He is a decent target man, but never a top 4-6 player. The MO of a centre forward is to score goals and that is what they are measured on.
Gabby is more important to us than Bent ever will be.
Apart from the 9 in 13 that kept us up last season.
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can't watch this. might go for a walk
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Gabby has barely played centrally this season though ozz. He's played wide. His scoring records not been bad when played in the middle.
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They are winning every 50/50 now.
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We have absoutely zero composure.
When things are going well, and we are allowed to, we can play some decent stuff, but put any pressure on us and we just disintegrate.
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fucking hell, that was close.
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This is crazy mad football style.
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why isnt given throwing those short like in the first half?
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can't watch this. might go for a walk
You spelt it wrong
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Come on Eck ...earn you money and get this game back in our favour
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Is this down to the manager or the players?
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I think our players are mentally weak. They are all capable enough but crumble under the slightest pressure.
Absolutely bang on mate.
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AM planning a double change.
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I'd disagree, Gabby is a better all round player than Bent, but his movement in the box is not as good. I'd even say their finishing is on par, Bent misses sitters too. Bent just has that brilliant ability to get in that space more often so gets more chances to score. Owen was like this, he scored lots of goals but also missed a lot too.
Most top forwards miss more because they are there more. Gabby is always behind the defender. He is a decent target man, but never a top 4-6 player. The MO of a centre forward is to score goals and that is what they are measured on.
Neither are top 4-6 players though. He plays for us and not Utd, City, Spurs etc. Spurs sold him when they were only a top 6 club. I admit I like him, he scores our goals. Just a pity Gabby hasn't got that extra ability to see the yard space in the box. Or just the same a pity Bent does not hold it up like a centre forward should.
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Albrighton is a weak link sorry to say. Zero composure.
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What the fuck is he doing this for?
What the fuck?
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Is it so difficult to hold possession for 5 minutes & frustrate the opposition?
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This is just fucking surreal.
It would be wonderful if Blackburn would just roll over for us but unfortunately they've rediscovered a bit of fight. We just need to weather the storm and take our chance when it comes.
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Taking Zog off is fucking madness.
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And once again, I'm watching the clock run down, wondering if we can hang on to a lead. It's never easy, is it?
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Blackburn 22/1 to win now.
That's a generous price.
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Good subs. Gards & Bannan. No Heskey.
But N'Zo off before Albrighton? Not for me.
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Herd must be shattered.
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I just think we waited so long for a top forward, we now have one and we can't wait to play him down because it puts Gabby's nose out of joint. Looking at it objectively, against the worst side we have seen for 45 minutes and us playing well, when did Gabby look like scoring?
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Why take N'Zog off?
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Shoring up midfield. Makes sense - especially as he didn't bring Heskey on
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Where?
Blackburn 22/1 to win now.
That's a generous price.
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Fuck off Bannan, you tart!
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Herd must be shattered.
Petrov looks tired
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Where?Blackburn 22/1 to win now.
That's a generous price.
bet fred
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nzogbia is frustrating but not sure how he got the hook and albrighton stayed on.
herd had tired alright. did very well for 60 mins though
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Ivanhoe waiting for last 10 mins to score his hattrick
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Taking Zog off is fucking madness.
I seriously don't get whats happened.
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Did we change ends at half time or just swop shirts?
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Apart from the 9 in 13 that kept us up last season.
Depends if you hold the simplistic view that goals + doing nothing > fewer goals + doing everything.
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I can't watch this.
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Taking Zog off is fucking madness.
I seriously don't get whats happened.
I thought he was doing well.
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This is dire. Have we put 2 passes together this half?
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Taking Zog off is fucking madness.
I seriously don't get whats happened.
He hadn't been involved for 20 minutes.
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The half time team talk happened.
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Apart from the 9 in 13 that kept us up last season.
Depends if you hold the simplistic view that goals + doing nothing > fewer goals + doing everything.
Pssst....goals win football matches.
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Unlucky from Gabby.
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Gabby should have scored there, good save but shouldn't have given Robinson a chance.
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What a save by Robinson
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Robinson you fucker
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Herd was shattered because he's been doing petrov's running for 25minutes, bringing on 2 central midfielders but neither of them replacing a guy who struggles to last 90 at best and is coming back from an injury is ridiculous, guess being captain makes you untouchable.
Gabby should've scored there, really bad miss.
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Bloody hell, you have to say Robinson has made 3 top saves in this game. Gabby should probably have done better though.
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Albrighton is so average. I think that's being kind too.
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FFS. Such a shame to see Albrighton look so ordinary.
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Our confidence is more fragile than a china vase. Part of that is the manager's fault, part of that is down to the players. We don't have strong personalities at the club, and when the going gets tough there is nobody to get them to refocus again out on the pitch. If McLeish is to stand any chance he must find character players. This second half isn't surprising because we haven't won many, we've probably let more leads slip than any other team and the cycle keeps repeating. We need to hang on here but I now fear the worst.
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Apart from the 9 in 13 that kept us up last season.
Depends if you hold the simplistic view that goals + doing nothing > fewer goals + doing everything.
Pssst....goals win football matches.
Yea, that useless bastard Messi. Apart from scoring 40 odd goals already this season he has done fuck all...
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Unlucky from Gabby.
Or heading the ball off his shoulder and straight at the keeper? Was good movement and a good save though.
And the argument that Bent does nothing has been proven wrong many times on other threads, and is a complete and utter myth that is conveniently pedaled
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Wonder who will come on for Stan?
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Great save by Robinson there, Sure gabby was being pulled over then
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Albrighton is not a clever player
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I will be stunned if we win this.
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Wonder who will come on for Stan?
Heskey for his hat trick
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Wasted on the left, he has a magic right foot.
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Robinson is having a blinding game!
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Apart from the 9 in 13 that kept us up last season.
Depends if you hold the simplistic view that goals + doing nothing > fewer goals + doing everything.
Pssst....goals win football matches.
Pssst....so does setting them up for other people.....and putting opposition players under pressure.....and chasing back to help out the defense.....and holding the ball up allowing us the keep possession.
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oh dear
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Surprise, surprise. Fucking hell.
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Here we fucking go........
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Well would you believe it ................................ oh yes.
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You keep going back, that keeps on happening.
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Unlucky from Gabby.
Or heading the ball off his shoulder and straight at the keeper? Was good movement and a good save though.
And the argument that Bent does nothing has been proven wrong many times on other threads, and is a complete and utter myth that is conveniently pedaled
Yep it's bollocks, if we set up with the exact team who started the game with Bent as the central striker he'd score and our game wouldn't be affected.
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Fuck off Villa.
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Well, that is entirely to the dismal management of McLeish as far as I am concerned.
The man's an idiot.
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Fucking David Dunn..
We are in big fucking trouble. And the manager should be gone for the second half display.
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It was coming. We sat back trying to cling on to 1-0 from the second half.
Nice fucking team talk McTwat.
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Oh what a surprise
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Bastards!!
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I blame Paulie for his half-time comments.
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We'll lose this. poor fucking defending at the far post. Hutton no where
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I knew this would happen after we failed to finish them off in the 1st half. We are truly shit.
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That's been coming all this half. Predictable and pathetic
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I can't watch any more.
Still, looks like curtains for Villas Boas. The Stripeys have taken the lead against Chelsea.
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Great stuff. Total turnaround.
Fucking marvellous.
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We are fucking shit we really don't have a clue how to defend or pass the ball around to take the sting out of the game.
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bloody brilliant.....ffs
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I absolutely kid you not, I have played football and anybody on here that has will tell you the same thing if they have, there is nothing more galling than seeing a team with so little backbone even if you don't support them.
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I fucking knew it.
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Come on Villa, we can win this!!
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To of gone 11pts clear would of been perfect for us. To stay 8 pts away from Blackburn is not good at all
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We are really shit, I can't stress to anyone who hasn't watched this how bad Blackburn are. However we have fucked it.
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I can't believe how bad we have become.
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Depressing and inevitable.
McShit needs to go, we've gone apalling since half time, fuck only knows what he said to them.
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Normally, that would have angered or hurt me. Now I'm just numb with apathy and resignation.
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No fucking movement anywhere for Ireland then
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At least Bent's not playing.
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Why can we not play well for 90 minutes is beyond me. This is not a new thing either, its been this way for a long while now. Its bloody shit. We deserve not to be winning after this second half performance.
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So we start playing the second half around 85 minutes
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Got the point we came for, well done Alex.
It's been like missing fish in a barrel.
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Got the point we came for, well done Alex.
It's been like missing fish in a barrel.
Are you for real?
Well done for managing to scrape a point off a team that's 3rd bottom and playing shit? Well done? really?
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Got the point we came for, well done Alex.
It's been like missing fish in a barrel.
Are you for real?
Well done for managing to scrape a point off a team that's 3rd bottom and playing shit? Well done? really?
I think you may have missed the well-disguised sarcasm there....
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Got the point we came for, well done Alex.
It's been like missing fish in a barrel.
Are you for real?
Well done for managing to scrape a point off a team that's 3rd bottom and playing shit? Well done? really?
I think you may have missed the well-disguised sarcasm there....
Indeed I did, just like the rest of em.