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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: JJ-AV on March 01, 2012, 03:37:44 PM
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My dissertation topic will cover a section on Football Banning Orders. As some will know, the Football (Disorder) Act 2000 enabled courts to impose a banning order in the absence of conviction.
Anyway, my question - say you were told you were no longer allowed to go to Blackburn away because you'd been profiled as a potential hooligan (but had no criminal conviction to suggest you were), but you'd already booked your train and match ticket - would you be compensated by the police, because if not it almost becomes a fine by proxy. Does anyone know if there are contingencies in place? And if not, are there any examples of this happening?
Struggling to find anything on this area specifically (although there are a couple of high profile cases out there which have helped).
Thanks.
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What have you done? :)
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Are you asking for people who this has happened to or is this a test?
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Must admit. The way things are at the moment I think I might try to get a banning order. So if you see someone run across the pitch on Saturday to abuse AM. It might be me :)
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I'm not 100% certain about the contingency, but I do know that they are almost impossible to police, a bloke I know has been "banned for life" from St. Andrews on two separate occasions and still goes to every home game. A ban from the ground basically just means you can't book tickets in your own name.
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I know someone who is banned from VP. He attends nearly every home game with his son.
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I wish I had a banning order.Any excuse not to watch the crap we are serving up.
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I was with somebody who was awaiting trial for an incident that occurred against the noses, we attended the man citeh cup game and he was arrested by a spotter from west midlands finest.
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I know someone who is banned from VP. He attends nearly every home game with his son.
Is this the guy you pointed out to me last home game ?
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Yes.
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And here was me thinking I was sad doing my dissertation on the M6 toll!
How many words have you got to fill JJ?
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Anyway, my question - say you were told you were no longer allowed to go to Blackburn away because you'd been profiled as a potential hooligan (but had no criminal conviction to suggest you were), but you'd already booked your train and match ticket - would you be compensated by the police,
No.
I hope that helps.
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Must admit. The way things are at the moment I think I might try to get a banning order. So if you see someone run across the pitch on Saturday to abuse AM. It might be me :)
Throw a season ticket at him and he might end up getting the England job!
Anything to get him out of here.
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If you use twitter follow (& contact) my friend Amanda on @FSF_FairCop - she does loads of work in this area & you could even possibly get involved with some current projects running to improve policing.
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I was playing poker with Ray Winstone's nephew in London a few years ago. He was most proud of his banning order from Millwall. Had it in his pocket, the tit.
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I think I read a story a few months back about a bloke who was banned from Villa Park and the area around the ground to a certain point on matchdays. If I remember right the police received a tip-off that he was in a pub near the ground and arrested him. Without the tip-off I'm guessing he would have carried on to the match, I'm pretty sure someone I know attended quite a few games whilst banned.
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No, he was picked up after the game. He hadn't been to the match. He's so 'high profile' and well-known to the police he'd never get away with it.
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I was playing poker with Ray Winstone's nephew in London a few years ago. He was most proud of his banning order from Millwall. Had it in his pocket, the tit.
Pwopa nawty
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No, he was picked up after the game. He hadn't been to the match. He's so 'high profile' and well-known to the police he'd never get away with it.
But would you say that is the norm or the exception? Would somebody less high profile and not so well known to the police be likely to get away with attending games?
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No, he was picked up after the game. He hadn't been to the match. He's so 'high profile' and well-known to the police he'd never get away with it.
But would you say that is the norm or the exception? Would somebody less high profile and not so well known to the police be likely to get away with attending games?
Probably not. There are comparatively few banning orders and they're mostly known to the police.
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In these situations, I always find that a comedy moustache/nose/spectacles combination comes in handy.
(http://joelnicholsblog.files.wordpress.com/2010/02/blue-footed-booby27.jpg)
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Or if you've got a beard do a Jeremy Beadle and disguise it with a false beard.
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No, he was picked up after the game. He hadn't been to the match. He's so 'high profile' and well-known to the police he'd never get away with it.
Was that SF?
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There you go.
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If its SF then its no wonder he got picked up!
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Sheila Ferguson?
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Stephen Fry?
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Actually it's Siegmund Freud. He's done some ground-breaking work on the psychological aspect of football hooliganism.
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If it was the occassion i saw, yes it was SF and it was from the King Ed.
I used to drink in a pub on the wood. After the noses had played there last game of the season (forget which one), a bloke who'd ran on the pitch (away game) came in the pub later that night and proudly pinned a photocopy of his police charge over the bar. Seem to remember it mentioned banning order on it, but not sure if it was the actual final order, would have thought it would take a court judjement to get one of those.
Anyway, he was well proud of it, the tit.
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My dissertation topic will cover a section on Football Banning Orders. As some will know, the Football (Disorder) Act 2000 enabled courts to impose a banning order in the absence of conviction.
Anyway, my question - say you were told you were no longer allowed to go to Blackburn away because you'd been profiled as a potential hooligan (but had no criminal conviction to suggest you were), but you'd already booked your train and match ticket - would you be compensated by the police, because if not it almost becomes a fine by proxy. Does anyone know if there are contingencies in place? And if not, are there any examples of this happening?
Struggling to find anything on this area specifically (although there are a couple of high profile cases out there which have helped).
Thanks.
Can't see you've have any right to compensation in this scenario, unless there was some malfeasance or the court acted ultra vires in making the order.
Otherwise, isn't it analagous to filling your car with petrol and then being banned from driving?
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If its SF then its no wonder he got picked up!
Does he have an Aunt and Uncle called Pauline and Arthur?
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Wouldn't his banning order be coming to an end in September of this year anyway?
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It is soon, unless it's been extended.
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If its SF then its no wonder he got picked up!
Does he have an Aunt and Uncle called Pauline and Arthur?
Is this a game of Guess Who?
Does she have blue hair?
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Actually it's Siegmund Freud. He's done some ground-breaking work on the psychological aspect of football hooliganism.
Very good - had me chuckling!
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Hope all this helps JJ: you've got some cracking insights so far.
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I think we've pretty much written his dissertation for him.
If you want my advice use the largest font you can find and add plenty of pictures.
HTH
Does he wear a hat?
*click, click, click, click*
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And here was me thinking I was sad doing my dissertation on the M6 toll!
You need to do your dissertation in the form of a high-tempo guitar solo.
M6 Toll, ooh, M6 Toll
You're on the right road for rock n' roll
M6 Toll, yeah M6 Toll
when by-passin' Birmingham's your goal
27 miles from junction 3a
Via Weeford Park and Great Wyrley, yeah, it goes all the way
Northbound or Southbound it has three lanes
And a fucking awful services at Norton Canes
M6 Toll, ooh, M6 Toll
You're on the right road for rock n' roll
M6 Toll, yeah M6 Toll
You get me so hot I'm losin' control
If you bike it from Cannock to the M42
Just three pounds is the cost to you
But a car and trailer falls into class 3
And will cost you six pounds and sixty pee
M6 Toll, ooh M6 Toll
You're on the right road for rock n' roll
M6 toll yeah M6 Toll
When by-passin' Birmingham's your goal
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And here was me thinking I was sad doing my dissertation on the M6 toll!
I did mine in the library at the Université de Bourgogne.
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Its quite simple to change your appearance, got a beard..Shave it..No beard grow one, Its not hard to get out of these things (not that ive been banned or thrown out for that matter) came close at Everton once
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Its the police who request a banning order in football cases and its up to the courts to implement this however they see fit. Sometimes they agree with police recommendations and other times they dont. After arrest and being charged with a football related crime and while on bail awaiting trial the Police should issue a banning order till the court case starts, if youve pre-bought tickets etc for this period its tough shit basically. With regards to being banned without actually being charged with an offence i dont think they can ban you. Thats my interpretation anyway.
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My dissertation topic will cover a section on Football Banning Orders. As some will know, the Football (Disorder) Act 2000 enabled courts to impose a banning order in the absence of conviction.
Anyway, my question - say you were told you were no longer allowed to go to Blackburn away because you'd been profiled as a potential hooligan (but had no criminal conviction to suggest you were), but you'd already booked your train and match ticket - would you be compensated by the police, because if not it almost becomes a fine by proxy. Does anyone know if there are contingencies in place? And if not, are there any examples of this happening?
Struggling to find anything on this area specifically (although there are a couple of high profile cases out there which have helped).
Thanks.
Can't see you've have any right to compensation in this scenario, unless there was some malfeasance or the court acted ultra vires in making the order.
Otherwise, isn't it analagous to filling your car with petrol and then being banned from driving?
I didn't realise you could get a driving ban for filling up your car now. Is it to do with Iran and the oil and all that stuff?
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I was once thrown out of the Holte End for being a Villa fan!!
Mind you it was during an FA Cup Semi-Final between West Ham and Ipswich.
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Could we get a banning order on McL and Grant, do you think? Would it work?
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A lad I used to play football with was banned from within a 3 mile radius of VP on a matchday. He was once nicked for dropping off his daughter in his car on the Lichfield Rd two hours before kick off. A little harsh I thought at the time.