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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Legion on February 27, 2012, 07:09:18 PM
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As requested.
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Thanks Leeg. Watch it die a death now!
Anyway, reserve lineup for the game V Swansea.
Siegrist, Lichaj, Williams, Webb, Baker, Carruthers, Herd, Johnson, Cameron, Taylor, Robinson.
Subs: Grealish, Barrett, Graham, Lewis, Caira.
Before conspiracy theorists wonder if Weimann isn't playing because of starting against Blackburn, it's because he's away with the national U21's.
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HT Swansea 0-1 Villa, Robinson.
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FT Swansea 0-2 Villa
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FT Swansea 0 - 2 Villa (Robinson with both).
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Did Grealish play any part? I rate him.
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Good idea for a thread. We've got some good 'uns coming through the ranks, I reckon.
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Herd played all but the last three minutes and more game time for Lichaj, which is good because I think we'll need to use both at some point in the remaining games.
Anyone know why Enda didn't play (International call up maybe?).
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Well done Villa babbies!
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Herd played all but the last three minutes and more game time for Lichaj, which is good because I think we'll need to use both at some point in the remaining games.
Anyone know why Enda didn't play (International call up maybe?).
I don't think the Republic of Ireland U-21s play again until May.
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Might as well stick this in here as start a new thread:
Can any regular reserve and yoof watchers give me some info on how good Connor Taylor is? Tamworth have signed him on loan to the end of the season.
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He's decent. Won't make it at Villa but perhaps a good championship player.
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Cheers Maz, good enough for Tamworth then.
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The Academy team beat Norwich in saturday morning at Bodymore. A really good performance in very windy conditions. Jack Grealish gave us the lead from the penalty spot. Grealish, who played off the front man was brought down after a mazy dribble for the penalty.
Norwich equalised, a little against the run of play, with a great strike from Loza but Brad Lewis soon put us back in front with a far post header from Jordan Grahams free kick.
The very impressive Grealish sealed the win with a 25 yard effort midway through the second half.
The reserves are home to Newcastle on monday evening at Villa Park at 7pm (unless they switch it to Bodymore at 11, 12, 1 or 2 O'Clock or Hinckley on monday, tuesday or wednesday)
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Glad you're sticking with it mate. Give me a shout if you see me tomorrow.
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Who do we have out on loan at the moment?
Is the Fonz back? He did not appear for Leicester at the weekend.
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The Reserves match against Newcastle is on AVTV tonight 7 pm KO
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Who do we have out on loan at the moment?
Is the Fonz back? He did not appear for Leicester at the weekend.
Fonz has been recalled ... not that it'll make any difference to our scoring record.
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How much to get in tonight?
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Apropos nothing at all, since the re-organisation of the reserve league, I have missed seeing the second string play - far more than the first team.
The reserves have been a better watch since the time of Gregory.
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How much to get in tonight?
Free for ST holders £2 for non ST holders
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Nice one, ta.
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Teams for tonight........
VILLA: Siegrist, Lichaj, Williams, Baker, Stevens, Carruthers, Gardner, Johnson, Bannan, Delfouneso, Weimann. Subs: Cameron, Barrett, Webb, Grealish, Robinson.
NEWCASTLE: Baird, Logan, Riley, McDermott, Henderson, Streete, Richardson, Abeid, Airey, Gosling, Donaldson. Subs: Kitchin, Mitchell, Taylor.
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1-0 Gardner from just outside the area.
Bannan has probably been the best player though.
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Cracker from GG.
Effing freezing. Brrrrrr!!
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2-0 - warm in my house 8)
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2-0 Robinson. Bazza started second half like a cross between Messi and Iniesta
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3-0
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Weimann! Assisted by Gardner.
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3-0 - Weimann tap in after good work from a corner by GG. We're playing like Barcelona this half.
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How can our reserve team be so good but our first team so crap?
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How can our reserve team be so good but our first team so crap?
It is strange
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How can our reserve team be so good but our first team so crap?
It is strange
Very much so, especially considering the style of play and the results the younger players get.
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Who's managing the ressies these days? Still Kev Mac?
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4-0. Carruthers
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Yep - Kevin Mac. 4-0, awesome display.
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How can our reserve team be so good but our first team so crap?
It is strange
Very much so, especially considering the style of play and the results the younger players get.
I wonder if it's because at that level they can play with more freedom and less fear?
Not the same pressure as playing in front of 30K+, mistakes won't be publicly analyzed and so on.
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How can our reserve team be so good but our first team so crap?
It is strange
Very much so, especially considering the style of play and the results the younger players get.
I wonder if it's because at that level they can play with more freedom and less fear?
Not the same pressure as playing in front of 30K+, mistakes won't be publicly analyzed and so on.
Also are the opposition as experienced or as driven to win as our boys. Obviously several of our team have 1st team experience but I don't recognise any names in the Newcastle side. (Although, I don't look at their team sheets every week)
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The end.
Well done lads.
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Gosling was the only player of theirs that I know.
Great performance, hit the woodwork 4 times and had a goal disallowed and still won 4-0.
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Well done lads.
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Just watched it on AVTV and enjoyed it a lot. They played some nice football and it should have been a lot more than 4. Bannan really does look a class act, he was superb.
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Very impressive again.
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Beautiful football in the 2nd half. Think we need to get them out on loan earlier though. How old is wee Barry? He's been this good for years at that level. When you think of Nathan Redmond doing well in the Championship at 17, well, it's food for thought anyway. Not sure what the answer is to be honest. Summat to debate perhaps.
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Beautiful football in the 2nd half. Think we need to get them out on loan earlier though. How old is wee Barry? He's been this good for years at that level. When you think of Nathan Redmond doing well in the Championship at 17, well, it's food for thought anyway. Not sure what the answer is to be honest. Summat to debate perhaps.
One day soon, when we're safe, I'd like us to see us play 6 or 7 of the reserves together. Whilst they might not be as good individually as their senior counterparts, their unity, familiarity and a winning habit might make them greater than the sum of their parts.
When introduced in isolation, I think they naturally adopt the mentality of the first team, which right now is probably not a good thing.
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Yes, agree with that Dante. Witness Barry in the reserves, running games, telling the others what runs to make etc. And they all look to pass to him. He just doesn't get that with senior pros. No coincidence that his best moments have come linking up with Albrighton and Hogg.
While acknowledging that it hasn't really happened for him, and that he's what -22? - I think Barry has so much ability, we should be very wary of letting him go for a good while yet.
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Beautiful football in the 2nd half. Think we need to get them out on loan earlier though. How old is wee Barry? He's been this good for years at that level. When you think of Nathan Redmond doing well in the Championship at 17, well, it's food for thought anyway. Not sure what the answer is to be honest. Summat to debate perhaps.
This is where I think Villa have been very poor over recent years. We have concentrated more on these lads winning reserve games than getting them out on loan and playing regularly with "big boys". The likes of Bannan, Albrighton, Delfonso(sp), etc. etc. should have been out on season long loans when they were 18/19 not waiting till they were 21/22.
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I tend to agree Fred, but against that, I think Bazza especially has benefited from learning some fantastic technique from The Master (Sid).
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How can our reserve team be so good but our first team so crap?
This is the killer-question for teams with Academies.
I do not watch much of the Reserve-team / youth games but watching the first team recently - and GG, BB, Herd and Albrighton in particular - I'd say:
- Villa does seem to be a club that takes the reserves more seriously than many: maybe that means much of the oppo are not as strong or as committed as they perhaps should be.
- the quality of the Premiership is obviously way ahead of the reserve league and playing against seasoned / international pros is a massive step up: look at GG and BB against McCarthy and MacArthur at Wigan. Look at pretty much all of Fonz's games.
- the players often come into the first team not playing their best position: BB playing wide against Blackburn; GG as MF strong-arm against Wigan ...
- the physicality of the Premiership makes it really tough for players like BB who has the talent but is physically disadvantaged (I speak as someone his height but somewhat heavier / older!). In contrast, CC has been able to make the transition more easily.
- getting a run in the first team is key for players like GG .... but Albie has had that and has not really kicked on. Whereas Herd has taken full advantage (at least, until his injury).
- getting drafted in to a first team low on confidence and results is never going to be easy.
- probably having to cow-tow to our old pros who may not be the most gifted / intelligent / motivated / other cannot be easy.
If the much-vaunted clear-out hppens in the summer, we may see this generation flowering more obviously thann we have done so to date.
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Excellent points EffDee. I think the time is fast approaching when we could have a midfield of Albrighton, Clark, Herd, Gardner and Bannan, and for us to expect them to be old enough, big enough (BB excepted), experienced enough and talented enough to be competitive. Can't wait personally.
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Excellent points EffDee. I think the time is fast approaching when we could have a midfield of Albrighton, Clark, Herd, Gardner and Bannan, and for us to expect them to be old enough, big enough (BB excepted), experienced enough and talented enough to be competitive. Can't wait personally.
Even on the proverbial paper that team looks comparable with what we currently put out. Add in that they've played together a lot and that they will naturally have to step up with regards to leadership and trying to stamp their authority on the team then it could be good.
Licaj < Hutton is another one of those instances where the difference in quality might mean it's better to trust the younger (cheaper) option.
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How can our reserve team be so good but our first team so crap?
This is the killer-question for teams with Academies.
I do not watch much of the Reserve-team / youth games but watching the first team recently - and GG, BB, Herd and Albrighton in particular - I'd say:
- Villa does seem to be a club that takes the reserves more seriously than many: maybe that means much of the oppo are not as strong or as committed as they perhaps should be.
- the quality of the Premiership is obviously way ahead of the reserve league and playing against seasoned / international pros is a massive step up: look at GG and BB against McCarthy and MacArthur at Wigan. Look at pretty much all of Fonz's games.
- the players often come into the first team not playing their best position: BB playing wide against Blackburn; GG as MF strong-arm against Wigan ...
- the physicality of the Premiership makes it really tough for players like BB who has the talent but is physically disadvantaged (I speak as someone his height but somewhat heavier / older!). In contrast, CC has been able to make the transition more easily.
- getting a run in the first team is key for players like GG .... but Albie has had that and has not really kicked on. Whereas Herd has taken full advantage (at least, until his injury).
- getting drafted in to a first team low on confidence and results is never going to be easy.
- probably having to cow-tow to our old pros who may not be the most gifted / intelligent / motivated / other cannot be easy.
If the much-vaunted clear-out hppens in the summer, we may see this generation flowering more obviously thann we have done so to date.
In addition to the above variables there's also the uncertainty of individual character, resilience, commitment and single-mindedness.
Young BB has already shown some mental flakiness with his driving problems earlier this season; Fonz apparently suffered from the complacency that sometimes comes with the first full-time contract.
Try as they might, the coaching staff can only go so far in being able to shape character to ally with the footballing talent the kids already possess.
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How can our reserve team be so good but our first team so crap?
This is the killer-question for teams with Academies.
I do not watch much of the Reserve-team / youth games but watching the first team recently - and GG, BB, Herd and Albrighton in particular - I'd say:
- Villa does seem to be a club that takes the reserves more seriously than many: maybe that means much of the oppo are not as strong or as committed as they perhaps should be.
- the quality of the Premiership is obviously way ahead of the reserve league and playing against seasoned / international pros is a massive step up: look at GG and BB against McCarthy and MacArthur at Wigan. Look at pretty much all of Fonz's games.
- the players often come into the first team not playing their best position: BB playing wide against Blackburn; GG as MF strong-arm against Wigan ...
- the physicality of the Premiership makes it really tough for players like BB who has the talent but is physically disadvantaged (I speak as someone his height but somewhat heavier / older!). In contrast, CC has been able to make the transition more easily.
- getting a run in the first team is key for players like GG .... but Albie has had that and has not really kicked on. Whereas Herd has taken full advantage (at least, until his injury).
- getting drafted in to a first team low on confidence and results is never going to be easy.
- probably having to cow-tow to our old pros who may not be the most gifted / intelligent / motivated / other cannot be easy.
If the much-vaunted clear-out hppens in the summer, we may see this generation flowering more obviously thann we have done so to date.
In addition to the above variables there's also the uncertainty of individual character, resilience, commitment and single-mindedness.
Young BB has already shown some mental flakiness with his driving problems earlier this season; Fonz apparently suffered from the complacency that sometimes comes with the first full-time contract.
Try as they might, the coaching staff can only go so far in being able to shape character to ally with the footballing talent the kids already possess.
On the flip side, Herd seems to relish the opportunities he's getting.
He was rarely touted as one of the good 'uns from people in the know.
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On the flip side, Herd seems to relish the opportunities he's getting.
He was rarely touted as one of the good 'uns from people in the know.
Oh, I agree; hence the points I was making re the uncertainty of it all.
Herd was never the guy that people spoke glowingly about but he has matured, presumably remained totally focussed on succeeding and has the physical and - it seems - the skills attributes to make it.
Others may or may not come through over the next 6-9 months as they mature.
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Why is it that other prem teams are happy to give 1st team opportunitys to players aged 17/18 yrs yet we are wary of putting 21/22 yr olds in the team. Look at players like Rooney/Walcott/Giggs etc and see how old they were when they started holding down regular first team places.
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Why is it that other prem teams are happy to give 1st team opportunitys to players aged 17/18 yrs yet we are wary of putting 21/22 yr olds in the team. Look at players like Rooney/Walcott/Giggs etc and see how old they were when they started holding down regular first team places.
The ones you mentioned are very exceptional. Even Beckham and Scholes only started playing regularly in their early twenties. But the main issues are we are never comfortable enough to give kids that young a real chance and mainly play them in emergencies. Also where Arse and ManU can start a load of them in Cup matches or even league matches, we can't as we will probably be done for fielding a weakened side.
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I love the fact we've got so many kids coming through. But I've watched a few ressie games on avtv and the gap with the premier league is massive. I do worry that we have a bunch of players who beat all comers from the age of 14 upwards, but aren't well prepared enough for the challenge of first team football. For the most part, they've either been ok or poor when on loan. Cahill's performances at burnley were of a very different order compared to more recent experiences. I think they might tend to be a bit 'nice'.
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I'm hoping to make the Reserves v Norwich game tomorrow.
Is the main carpark open to all-comers for Reserve games ?
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Yes.
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Thanks Leeg
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I gave Herd a 50/50 chance of making it and to be fair to the lad he really has seized his chance. Whilst others have disappointed, he's gone the other way.
A tidy midfielder who was equally comfortable at full back, he's made his game about tenacity and spirit. If he carries on in the same vein he'll be a darling of the fans.
He was no stranger to the scoresheets in the academy either. He can score goals.
His attrributes (in theory) compliment Gardner and Clark and I could see the three of them forming a useful mdfield at times.
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Yes, I suggested those three the other day, good ability and would not be found wanting physically. Plenty of academy graduates in the team would IMO, help Bannan the most. He is the leader of these players, the one they all look for when they get the ball. He in turn orchestrates them, tells them when to make a run, or just give him a return pass. I think we won't see the best of Bazza until he's bossing the first team about and running games like he does in the reserves.
BTW, I can't recommend these games strongly enough. Can't make tomorrow myself (working 2-10) but I will be at the next Villa Park game in early April. They really are magic to watch at times.
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It's live on AVTV tonight 7 pm KO
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Team news - Villa Reserves v Norwich Reserves.
VILLA: Siegrist, Lichaj, Williams, Baker, Stevens, Carruthers, Johnson, Bannan, Cameron, Burke, Weimann. Subs: Robinson, Barrett, Graham, Webb, Grealish.
NORWICH: Steer, Brindley, Toffolo, Clunan, Barker, Jones, Hall-Johnson, Florence, Loza, Ball, Jacob Murphy. Subs: Dobbs, Carroll, Josh Murphy, McGeehan, McFadden.
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Glad we've put a strong side out. Plenty of updates and reports please folks, should be enough of you at least watching on AVTV, the eyes and ears of us poor sods stuck at work.
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any reason to why Gardener aint playing when Bannan and Wiemann are?
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The commentary on AVTV is barely audible.
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The commentary on AVTV is barely audible.
What commentary ?
AVTV is currently showing Jack interviewing Marc
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That's what I meant. I can barely hear a thing.
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That's what I meant. I can barely hear a thing.
Sounded fine to me.
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Hell Bells !!
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Where do they let people sit for these games. It looks like there's no one there
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We've signed Brett's twin brother Grant.
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Where do they let people sit for these games. It looks like there's no one there
Middle Trinity
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All Villa. Just can't score.
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1-0 Weimann.
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Courtney Cameron has been really impressive 1st half, great cross for the goal!!
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Norwich yellow card.
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Jon Knibb (aka DC5) gets a mention!
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*mumble, mumble*. I can't get the wretched thing on. *mumble, mumble*
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Has he done a streak?
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Jon Knibb (aka DC5) gets a mention!
Why, what's he done wrong this time?
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Jon Knibb (aka DC5) gets a mention!
Why, what's he done wrong this time?
Praising the introduction of the youth into the first team.
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Jon Knibb (aka DC5) gets a mention!
Why, what's he done wrong this time?
Praising the introduction of the youth into the first team.
Fair play.
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Spot on aswell.
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Jon Knibb (aka DC5) gets a mention!
On Police 5?
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Isn't it Knibbs Pauline?
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Siegrist yellow card.
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Isn't it Knibbs Pauline?
No, just Knibb.
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Jon Knibb (aka DC5) gets a mention!
On Police 5?
That sounds about right.
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Jon Knibb (aka DC5) gets a mention!
Why, what's he done wrong this time?
Praising the introduction of the youth into the first team.
He's not that young, is he?!
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Jon Knibb (aka DC5) gets a mention!
On Police 5?
That sounds about right.
Do you call him "His Knibbs"?
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Jon Knibb (aka DC5) gets a mention!
On Police 5?
That sounds about right.
Do you call him "His Knibbs"?
He'd probably like that but, no. At best he gets called Jon, when not at best Jonathan. He gets called Knibby by a lot of people.
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2-0 Weimann.
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Cameron deserves a place on the bench against Bolton next week, has looked really exciting on the left wing and 2 assists. Weimann's movement has been class too!!
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Should have been 3.
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2-0 Weimann.
I'm very excited by this guy's goalscoring instincts.
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Great save from Bannan after a fantastic move.
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Great save from Bannan after a fantastic move.
What? - is Wee Barry in goal?!
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Ha!
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(a shot by)
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Final score?
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2-0
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Well done lads. Marching on to the title (again).
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Another great performance from the lads. Villa, at this level play with great style. I know it is at a lesser standard but they remind me of a mini Barcelona. The players, who have had four or five years of almost constant success are so confident in their own ability that they can ignore some of the the crowds calls to "get it in the middle" "knock it long" "don't take that short corner" and they can keep the ball knowing that they will ultimately be successful.
Wee Barry is a football genius and his ability is several steps above most people he shares a pitch with.
Andreas Weimann is on fire at the moment. His movement and finishing ability is first class and he is the nearest thing to Darren Bent that we have at the club.
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Jon Knibb (aka DC5) gets a mention!
What I said was ' Just a mention of how much admiration the supporters have of our Academy and Reserve players. Alex McLeish is giving them their chance and they are grabbing it with both hands. The presence of Sid and Kevin has to help with the young players.'
Marc Albrighton said that he couldn't agree more as he had been playing under those two for so many years.
It may be a bit Doug-like but Sid and Kevin are like uncles to those kids.
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Has he done a streak?
Yes. Anything to promote Acorns.
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Jon Knibb (aka DC5) gets a mention!
On Police 5?
That sounds about right.
Do you call him "His Knibbs"?
He'd probably like that but, no. At best he gets called Jon, when not at best Jonathan. He gets called Knibby by a lot of people.
Spell check calls me Jon Knob. I am suing them under the Data Protection Act.
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Cameron is really impressing this year. He's always been tidy but he's starting to come of age recently.
Keeping the likes of Grealish and Graham on the bench is no mean feat.
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Has he done a streak?
Yes. Anything to promote Acorns.
There's an open goal here for anyone that wants it!
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Jon Knibb (aka DC5) gets a mention!
On Police 5?
That sounds about right.
Do you call him "His Knibbs"?
He'd probably like that but, no. At best he gets called Jon, when not at best Jonathan. He gets called Knibby by a lot of people.
Spell check calls me Jon Knob. I am suing them under the Data Protection Act.
Mine changes to Get or Her, depending on my phone's mood.
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Has he done a streak?
Yes. Anything to promote Acorns.
There's an open goal here for anyone that wants it!
The opportunity has now shrivelled away.
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Team news - Man Utd Res v Villa Res - ko 7pm
MAN UTD: Johnstone, De Laet, F Da Silva, James, Smalling, Jones, Cleverley, Pogba, W Keane, Petrucci, Lingard. Subs: M Keane, Coll, Fryers, Tunnicliffe, Vemijl.
VILLA: Seigrist, Nelson-Addy, Donacien, Williams, Stevens, Carruthers, Johnson, Burke, Cameron, Drennan, Taylor. Subs: Caira, Barrett, Ward, Darkin, Barton
Strong looking Man Ure team
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Team news - Man Utd Res v Villa Res - ko 7pm http://bit.ly/GOFINn
MAN UTD: Johnstone, De Laet, F Da Silva, James, Smalling, Jones, Cleverley, Pogba, W Keane, Petrucci, Lingard. Subs: M Keane, Coll, Fryers, Tunnicliffe, Vemijl.
VILLA: Seigrist, Nelson-Addy, Donacien, Williams, Stevens, Carruthers, Johnson, Burke, Cameron, Drennan, Taylor. Subs: Caira, Barrett, Ward, Darkin, Barton.
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The game is also on live on MUTV.
A very young Villa side against a very experienced Marure side. Let's hope we can repeat the 4-1 hammering we gave them last time.
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That is one hell of an inexperienced Villa lineup. Unless i'm mistaken 0 first team appearances? Will do well to get any kind of result against that manure side.
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5 experienced players in England/Ireland U17's.
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ManU 2-0 up
We're moving the ball about pretty well though
With ManU commentators (http://www.sportp2p.com/playerall.php?id=9207)
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Jesus, that's got to be cheating. There are three current england internationals (possibly one brazillian) in that reserve team!
MAN UTD: Johnstone, De Laet, F Da Silva, James, Smalling, Jones, Cleverley, Pogba, W Keane, Petrucci, Lingard. Subs: M Keane, Coll, Fryers, Tunnicliffe, Vemijl.
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Watch it live (http://www.firstrowsports.eu/watch/114733/1/watch-manchester-united-res-vs-aston-villa-res.html)
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What is this game ? I thought they were in a different league to us
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That second goal was a bit Roy Race.
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There's quite a gulf in experience between the teams, and it shows. If anything we've done well to keep it down to 2.
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Abslute cracker from Johnson. 2-1
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What is this game ? I thought they were in a different league to us
We move between North & South divisions on an almost annual basis.
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In boxing parlance it's a mis-match.
But if we had Lichaj, Clark, Herd, Gardner, Bannan, Albrighton and Weimann playing we'd smash them.
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What is this game ? I thought they were in a different league to us
We move between North & South divisions on an almost annual basis.
We're still in the South division, but for some reason this season the fixtures include teams from the 'other' division.
3-1 in the end. We fimsihed the game pressing but it really was a bit of a mis-match.
Enda Stevens didn't show much, Johnson and our right back looked the pick of our lads.
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What is this game ? I thought they were in a different league to us
We move between North & South divisions on an almost annual basis.
We play all the teams in the southern division twice, home and away. Plus we play all the teams in the northern division once. Either home or away.
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3-1 in the end. We fimsihed the game pressing but it really was a bit of a mis-match.
Enda Stevens didn't show much, Johnson and our right back looked the pick of our lads.
Agreed, Steve. Stevens looked like he was just going through the motions, nobody really stood out but then this really was a team of 'kids', so you'd expect them to learn from the experience, if nothing else.
The Johnson goal gets my vote for Goal of the Season. He knew exactly what he was doing and boy did he place it. Genius!
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http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10265~2708612,00.html
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Team news - Villa Reserves v Liverpool Reserves.
VILLA: Siegrist, Webb, Donacien, Williams, Stevens, Grealish, Carruthers, Johnson, Cameron, Burke, Drennan. Subs: Ward, Barrett, Graham, Kinsella, Robinson.
LIVERPOOL: Ward, McLaughlin, Mendy, Sama, Wisdom, Coady, Fernandez, Roberts, Eccleston, Adorjan, Sterling. Subs: McGiveron, Belford, Roddan, Smith, Ngoo.
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Live on Liverpool TV now.
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Looks like first team call-ups have left us with a weaker than usual team. Then again, that is the way it should be.
Looking forward to this.
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Watching game on Liverpool tv. Warnock doing co commentry, listening to his voice is fucking me off as much as watching him play.
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Live on Liverpool TV now.
Thanks for that. It's saved us farting about with AVTV.
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Oh, and we're losing 1-0 at the moment.
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Fecking great 0-2 down now.
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Damn, 2-0 down now.
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Warnock talking about how negative our reserves have been and how they should go for the jugular...
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Warnock talking about how negative our reserves have been and how they should go for the jugular...
Splutters...
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Bit of a shame, if anything we've had he better of the game between the penalty areas.
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Might be worth switching Cameron and Carruthers around, as they've both been quiet. Their 2nd goal was lucky as fuck.
Was it a penalty to us after about 15 minutes? hard to tell from my angle.
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Warnock talking about how negative our reserves have been and how they should go for the jugular...
I heard that put it on the os live and they haven't published it, what he should of said was nice to see the first team adapt there style to the same as the first team
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That was out of smegging play lino!
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Blind lino allows 'The Mighty Reds YNWA' to get the 3rd.
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As someone else mentioned, it looks like we are now trying to match the reserves style of play with the 1st team so our players know what to expect when they step up, unfortunately they have decided to do it the wrong way. Have we had a shot on target yet?
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3-0 now I believe
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And also still no shots on target from the Villa boys I believe.
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And also still no shots on target from the Villa boys I believe.
Just like the first team then!
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1-3 Penalty Villa
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3-1 currently
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4-1
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Disappointing second half in truth. Too many players dwelling on the ball, we seem change away from the passing game we played in the first 45.
Liverpool defence looks pretty solid. Carruthers and for the first half Johnson looked good for us.
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Finished 1-4.
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On a separate note, in the commentary, Stephen Warnock had all the joie de vivre of a man who expects to be shot at dawn.
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Warnock talking about how negative our reserves have been and how they should go for the jugular...
practice what you preach much ?
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I gave it a miss last night as all my favourite players are now in the first team.
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Thats the thing. Our reserve team would usually beat Liverpool but due to injuries and so on they are currently most of our first team and our academy is our reserve team. But, its great experience for the youngsters.
They got sucker-punched a few times last night and the scoreline very much flatters Liverpool but it wasnt a vintage performance by any stretch. Still top though.
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The reserves are beating Sunderland 2-0.
Liverpool v albion reserves 1-1
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Won the league again. Well done lads.
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Well done. A beacon of light in a grey time.
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well done to the young ones ...
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And now Champions as well
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For fucks sake McLeish, we can't have one of our teams scoring 2 goals. The clean sheet is wonderful but us scoring TWO is simply not on.
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Very well done.
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Well done to everyone who contributed.
Will there be a national play-off this year?
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Yes.
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And now Champions as well
Champions 4/5 years, well done the young kids, as yesterday with those in the first team !
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Ta. Who are the other 'champs'?
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For fucks sake McLeish, we can't have one of our teams scoring 2 goals. The clean sheet is wonderful but us scoring TWO is simply not on.
The dimpot is probably staring at the result, thinking, "hang on, '2', in the same match?"
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Manure I think.
Well done the Villa babbies.
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Yes, Man Utd by the looks of things.
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For fucks sake McLeish, we can't have one of our teams scoring 2 goals. The clean sheet is wonderful but us scoring TWO is simply not on.
The dimpot is probably staring at the result, thinking, "hang on, '2', in the same match?"
He's giving them a Jive Bunny version of Sir Alex's hairdryer treatment as we speak.
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For fucks sake McLeish, we can't have one of our teams scoring 2 goals. The clean sheet is wonderful but us scoring TWO is simply not on.
The dimpot is probably staring at the result, thinking, "hang on, '2', in the same match?"
He`ll put it down to a typing error
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For fucks sake McLeish, we can't have one of our teams scoring 2 goals. The clean sheet is wonderful but us scoring TWO is simply not on.
The dimpot is probably staring at the result, thinking, "hang on, '2', in the same match?"
he likely looked at the result and thought we lost 2-0 thus deemng himself satisfied it wasn't by 5.
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http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10265~2730120,00.html
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Not that it matters (well done lads!) but why are Sunderland in the Reserve League SOUTH?
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at least we sort of beat MON's team ;)
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well done to the young ones ...
I heard Vivian was exceptional in the center of mid but Neil was off the pace up front. ;)
Well done to the reserves, champions again and now the young kids started to step up to the first team.
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We have some great kids , just tell McLeish to play them in the right position ffs .
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Drennan - sounds a great name.
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Not that it matters (well done lads!) but why are Sunderland in the Reserve League SOUTH?
I think they're in the north, but you play matches against teams from each division
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Yes, Man Utd by the looks of things.
I assume Bannan, Gardner, Herd, Lichaj and co will be in line for a reserves recall for the play off final? It would only be fair as thats what United did in the League game the cheating wankers. Is the Final at Southern winners this year?
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Great stuff from the Villa reserves again, congrats
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Well done yet again. I think the play off final will be at Old Trafford against Man U. The older reserve lads will be very keen to play. Bannan attends every reserve game he can. Even when he was at Blackpool on loan he always came back to watch the reserves. The other night against Liverpool I was in the lower section of the Trinity and sitting in front of me was B.B, Andy W, Herd, Lichaj and a couple of other young pro's. Bannan gets a bit of stick on here occasionally as a bit of a bighead but the truth is that loads of ordinary fans know him because he and his Mom and Dad have always mixed with us and have never played the big I am.
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Well done yet again. I think the play off final will be at Old Trafford against Man U. The older reserve lads will be very keen to play. Bannan attends every reserve game he can. Even when he was at Blackpool on loan he always came back to watch the reserves. The other night against Liverpool I was in the lower section of the Trinity and sitting in front of me was B.B, Andy W, Herd, Lichaj and a couple of other young pro's. Bannan gets a bit of stick on here occasionally as a bit of a bighead but the truth is that loads of ordinary fans know him because he and his Mom and Dad have always mixed with us and have never played the big I am.
Do you know when?
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Drennan - sounds a great name.
Clean your drains and wash away the smell with........... Drennan
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Great post Larry.
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Not that it matters (well done lads!) but why are Sunderland in the Reserve League SOUTH?
I think they're in the north, but you play matches against teams from each division
We play all the teams in the southern division home and away.
We play all the teams in the northern division ONCE. Home or away.
Our academy team (Because most of the reserves were in the 1st team due to injuries) lost 3 - 1 against Manu who had an international back 4 plus another England International in Mid-field.
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Well done to the young guns again. Showing the first team it can be done! Any idea when and where a play off will be?
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Well done to the young guns again. Showing the first team it can be done! Any idea when and where a play off will be?
As Manure are likely to be Northern Monkey Champs it'll be Old Traffordand its usually played midweek in early May.
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Well done yet again. I think the play off final will be at Old Trafford against Man U. The older reserve lads will be very keen to play. Bannan attends every reserve game he can. Even when he was at Blackpool on loan he always came back to watch the reserves. The other night against Liverpool I was in the lower section of the Trinity and sitting in front of me was B.B, Andy W, Herd, Lichaj and a couple of other young pro's. Bannan gets a bit of stick on here occasionally as a bit of a bighead but the truth is that loads of ordinary fans know him because he and his Mom and Dad have always mixed with us and have never played the big I am.
This post has cheered me up no end and gives me hope that we do have a special bunch of lads that are coming through. Whether we have the right man to bring them through is another matter.
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Well done yet again. I think the play off final will be at Old Trafford against Man U. The older reserve lads will be very keen to play. Bannan attends every reserve game he can. Even when he was at Blackpool on loan he always came back to watch the reserves. The other night against Liverpool I was in the lower section of the Trinity and sitting in front of me was B.B, Andy W, Herd, Lichaj and a couple of other young pro's. Bannan gets a bit of stick on here occasionally as a bit of a bighead but the truth is that loads of ordinary fans know him because he and his Mom and Dad have always mixed with us and have never played the big I am.
His Mum has an enormous gob (and I'm not quiet), I remember sitting in the same stand as her and she was the only person you could hear :-) His Dad seemed okay.
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See from the interview with coach Sean Verity on avfc.co.uk that some of the lads who played yesterday are to be released at the end of the season....anyone heard who is being released?
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I'd have Taylor and Nelson Addy down as certs. Apart from that there arent too many I'd have down as likely to leave.
Its always hard though when you have a good group but you have to move some on to make room.
Siegrist, Webb, Williams, Johnson, Graham, Grealish and Burke are very unlikely to go anywhere I think.
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I'd have Taylor and Nelson Addy down as certs. Apart from that there arent too many I'd have down as likely to leave.
Its always hard though when you have a good group but you have to move some on to make room.
Siegrist, Webb, Williams, Johnson, Graham, Grealish and Burke are very unlikely to go anywhere I think.
I'd poss add Caira to that list & before yesterday Drennan was one who never stood out to me on 5/6 times that I've seen him
Saw Devine was on the bench yesterday - presume he has been injured as not seen his name this season and he looked a big solid unit at centre half last year.
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Devine and Williams played well together before his injury but Donacien is a quality player too.
Depends on his passport situation.
There are always some suprises.
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I take it Donacien is the one under threat of deportation then Maz?
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Yes, or at least he was. I dont know the latest but as he's playing again I'm thinking it's turned out alright.
Ridiculous business. If it was an Arsenal youngster I wonder if it would have been an issue.
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I hope you're right. Seems silly for them to be going after promising footballers when they can't get shot of terrorists (pun intended).
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He has got his passport and a new contract.
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Good.
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Great post from Mr Duff. Only thread i enjoy reading. Bazza Bannan gets unjustified stick not just on here. Have even heard rumblings about Gardner because he hasnt set the world alight yet..
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An article (http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/european/arsenal-see-benefits-in-nextgen-but-united-stay-away-7661634.html)of passing interest to us.
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An article (http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/european/arsenal-see-benefits-in-nextgen-but-united-stay-away-7661634.html)of passing interest to us.
"Aston Villa and Celtic making up the contingent.?! #pressconspiracy
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An article (http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/european/arsenal-see-benefits-in-nextgen-but-united-stay-away-7661634.html)of passing interest to us.
"Aston Villa and Celtic making up the contingent.?! #pressconspiracy
#alreadymentionedtheothers
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An article (http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/european/arsenal-see-benefits-in-nextgen-but-united-stay-away-7661634.html)of passing interest to us.
"Aston Villa and Celtic making up the contingent.?! #pressconspiracy
#alreadymentionedtheothers
Spoilsport.
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I'm just amazed that my old neighbour (and schoolmate of Bad English) Warren Joyce is Man Utd's reserve manager.
I was better than him!
Just checked, it's a different bloke.
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Any news on the play off match yet?
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4-0 (http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10265~2744232,00.html) to the U18s v Portsmouth.
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v Fulham (Preview) (http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10265~2747506,00.html)
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Match Postponed (http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10265~2748888,00.html)
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U18s draw 2-2 with Spurs (http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10265~2755154,00.html)
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Reserves lose 3-2 to fulham away this afternoon
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Thanks for posting. Do you know who scored for us?
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Drennan and Burke according to fb.
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Ta.
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I'm just amazed that my old neighbour (and schoolmate of Bad English) Warren Joyce is Man Utd's reserve manager.
I was better than him!
Just checked, it's a different bloke.
He had the footballer perm. Unlike you.
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Yes, thank goodness. There are no scraps in my scrapbook.
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The title success means Villa will advance to a play-off final against champions of the north Manchester United at Old Trafford on Thursday to determine to outright national kings of reserve football.
Thursday night's match kicks off at 7pm and tickets are available now to Villa supporters.
Tickets for the clash are priced at £3 for adults and £1 for U16s.
All supporters will be issued with paper tickets for the game and Villa supporters will be located in the South Stand Upper at Old Trafford.
Tickets are available in person from the ticket offices at Villa Village and Birmingham New Street or by calling consumer sales on 0800 612 0970.
You can also purchase a ticket online.
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Did anybody else see in the programme that Spurs have 23 - yes 23 - players out on loan!!
Ok one is Jenas, and also the likes of Pienaar and Corluka, but just think how many are probably getting game time at other clubs.
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National play-off final - Manchester United Reserves v Villa Reserves (ko 7pm).
MAN UTD: Johnstone, Vermijl, Fryers, Thorpe, M Keane, Wootton, Cole, Tunnicliffe, W Keane, Petrucci, Lingard. Subs: Brown, Coll, Fornasier, Giverin, Brady.
VILLA: Siegrist, Webb, Williams, Baker, Stevens, Grealish, Gardner, Bannan, Johnson, Carruthers, Drennan. Subs: Cameron, Barrett, Graham, Donacien, Devine.
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Will be merged into Reserves thread at FT.
Any team news?
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National play-off final - Manchester United Reserves v Villa Reserves (ko 7pm).
MAN UTD: Johnstone, Vermijl, Fryers, Thorpe, M Keane, Wootton, Cole, Tunnicliffe, W Keane, Petrucci, Lingard. Subs: Brown, Coll, Fornasier, Giverin, Brady.
VILLA: Siegrist, Webb, Williams, Baker, Stevens, Grealish, Gardner, Bannan, Johnson, Carruthers, Drennan. Subs: Cameron, Barrett, Graham, Donacien, Devine.
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Come on you Villa boys, we're relying on you for silverware yet again!
Shame Weimann's not playing.
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Weinmann out now for 4 weeks
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Come on me Villa babbies
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Watch it here. http://www.coolsport.tv/stream2.php
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Watch it here. http://www.coolsport.tv/stream2.php
Malicious website alert!
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About 200 Villa here.
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Any other places to watch this game? Legions put me off the other link!!
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Watch it here. http://www.coolsport.tv/stream2.php
Malicious website alert!
Really? been using it for month's.
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Yep. A pop-up from Malwarebytes Antimalware plus the site is blocked.
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Albrighton in with Villa fans.
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Is he looking for a mis-placed cross?
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Yep. A pop-up from Malwarebytes Antimalware plus the site is blocked.
Nothing showing up on mine,oh well I will take my chance.
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First Row Sports (http://tinyurl.com/dxsbwhy)
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Cheers Legion
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Baker is quality,imho.
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Finally, MUTV comes in useful for something.
(Disclaimer - my flatmate pays for it)
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Cheers Legion
The ads on there are annoying, though.
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Is this over one or two legs?
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One-off.
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Is this over one or two legs?
One
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What is the point of AVTV?
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How come Man Utd are at home then?
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look...they can actually play football. I'm so used to seeing an absolute shower when I turn the TV on and see Villa shirts that I am actually sitting here smiling from ear to ear. I think I had forgotten what exciting attacking football looked like!:)
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How come Man Utd are at home then?
I think it alternates each year as to which league has home advantage.
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How come Man Utd are at home then?
I think it alternates each year as to which league has home advantage.
Thanks for that. Fingers crossed, look very evenly matched.
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About 200 Villa here.
Decent seats or are we up in the rafters again ?
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Pretty even so far. Don't mean to be harsh but it looks a long way short of first team standard
Bannan's already tried two unsuccessful hollywood balls in the 5 minutes I've watched
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He just did it again. Wtf was that?
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We're looking good here.
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Good move that. Johnson generally impresses me more than Gardner to be honest. More nimble and quick. Gardner hasn't been great so far. Carruthers looks to have two good feet
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Baker really is solid isn't he?
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Isn't our away form really poor this season?
How the fuck did he miss that!!!
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Great great chance by carruthers! What a miss....great skill before though.
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Carruthers! Would have been a great goal that. Was that a miss or a great block?
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With skill and pace like that, I see a bright future here for Carruthers.
Also United have sat back and defended a lot. You can't blame Bannan for trying to force the issue a little bit when we're not breaking them down.
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At least we're starting to create chances. We've been sitting too deep, hoping to catch them on the counter attack.
Hopefully we'll really go at them second half. We've shown them too much respect. Man Utd don't look up to much.
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Carruthers! Would have been a great goal that. Was that a miss or a great block?
Great block.
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Carruthers! Would have been a great goal that. Was that a miss or a great block?
Not sure? Think it was just a great bit of defending and did enough to put him off..
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What is the point of AVTV?
Every time I log on to AVTV it's forgotten I ever registered.
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0-0 at half time. We've just about had the better of it, without either team creating much.
Lovely dribble and wall pass from Carruthers at the end, we should have gone in one up.
Our tactics are a bit first team, with more high fighting balls played forward than we really need, but pretty good overall.
I guess the presence of many of these players mean that an experimental team on Sunday is not up for consideration.
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Separate stickied thread for this game.
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This channel is sickening, it's already muted and I've had to tab out the 2nd half kicks off.
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Blimey their forward just missed a great chance
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Bloody hell, I thought that was in from Gardner.
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Went wide, but that free kick from Gardner was quality, real whip in it, keeper didn't stand a chance if it had been inside the post, it's nice to see quality like that at the club.
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Fuck me Gardner just missed a 6 yard open goal under no pressure
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How did he miss that?
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I really think carruthers has looked lively. Very two footed
Disappointed with Gardner though - excellent free kick apart. He looks leaden footed and has just missed an absolutely unbelievable sitter. And I mean unbelievable!
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Shocking miss.
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So much raw potential but they can't bloody score.
Bannan looking very good. Gardner should have had two.
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how did he miss?
As an aside, Johnson reminds me of seedorf, he just drifts around effortlessly and seems to just pop up in the right place, think he's going to be a great player.
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What a feckin howler by Gardner.
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We are looking much better in this half generally though. Bannan and Carruthers look a cut above their midfield.
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We are looking much better in this half generally though. Bannan and Carruthers look a cut above their midfield.
Agreed, like the look of Johnson too.
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Yes, they've all got good quick feet, movement and touch.
Gardner looks a fair bit slower and seem quite unalert. Am I being harsh?
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You just know Man Utd will get a penalty here to decide the game. It's the only way they'll beat us, they look toothless up front.
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Yes, they've all got good quick feet, movement and touch.
Gardner looks a fair bit slower and seem quite unalert. Am I being harsh?
Hasn't had a good game. Not very influential compared to earlier in the season when he was bossing every match.
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Our kids are playing some good stuff!
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Maybe he's been told he's starting on Sunday and so is holding back a little?
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For what little he's had to do tonight, Siegrist looks excellent.
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Pens it is then.
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Really enjoyed that second half, whatever the result. Should have scored at least two.
I thought the 2 centre backs, Bannan in spells (tho he still tried too many hollywood balls) and Johnson all looked really good for the most part. But Carruthers looked really, really good to me. And the passing quality in the second half was really good, albeit with more space as players tired
Gardner looked pretty off the pace I thought. I hope that's not a typical performance
I thought that Will Keane was meant to be a player for them, but he looked absolute Blues!
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For what little he's had to do tonight, Siegrist looks excellent.
Agreed. I was underwhelmed initially, but pretty excited at the second half performance. Thought we looked really good.
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Really enjoyed that second half, whatever the result. Should have scored at least two.
I thought the 2 centre backs, Bannan in spells (tho he still tried too many hollywood balls) and Johnson all looked really good for the most part. But Carruthers looked really, really good to me. And the passing quality in the second half was really good, albeit with more space as players tired
Gardner looked pretty off the pace I thought. I hope that's not a typical performance
I thought that Will Keane was meant to be a player for them, but he looked absolute Blues!
I thought Gardner was just playing the disciplined role and letting the others drift around more, as a unit the midfield looked really good.
Confident pen from BB.
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That was a Hollywood blockbuster from Bannan.
WTF!! Lucky bastards!
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bugger thought he had saved it!
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Bugger.
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I really hate that club
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great save against carruthers to be fair, wasn't a bad pen.
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Fuck it.
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Bollocks.
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Ah. Bugger.
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what's with the fucking two step run ups?!
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The search for a penalty taker continues.
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Cock
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Feck it!
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The lads deserved better than that.
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awful penalties. completely telegraphed.
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Game over.
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The search for a penalty taker continues.
Bannan's penalty was as good as any you'll ever see.
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Dominated the match. We missed Weimann.
No worries. Not like the reserve league title is actually worth anything. ;D
Ship out half the first team and put these lads in. We'll probably steam the league.
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Well that's pissed me off more than it should have.
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Oh well, we've won the league something like 4 times in 5 seasons so let's not be too greedy. The main thing is that the next manager gives the lads a chance of making it.
I'd love us to be successful with a minimal number of mercanaries in the first team.
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We were by far the better team there, we squandered quite a few chances throughout the game unfortunately. Oh well. I'll content myself with the knowledge that our lads genuinely looked a different class to their lot. Gary Gardner looks to have lost a little bit of form and confidence but he will be back, no doubts there.
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Shame we didn't win, but well done anyway the reserves.
Decent turnout from Villa and nice to see Marc albrighton sitting with us.
The petrov applause was carried out on the 19th minute.
Again, well done to the players for doing so well again this season.
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what's with the fucking two step run ups?!
You've got to be good to get away with them. Otherwise, you look a mug.
Second half should have buried them.
I see they have removed that banner than showed how many years since City have won the league.
The south Stand, that used to have Old Trafford Manchester on the fascia, now has Sir Alex Ferguson Stand across it.
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Who did Man U use as a goalkeeper for this game. Just asking.
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Sam Johnstone was their keeper.
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Bannan's getting loads of stick from Manyoo fans on Twitter for cupping his ear to some kids who were booing him before his penalty. Shouldn't have fucking booed him then should you, you Cornish pricks. Perhaps he should have done a Cantona instead, they don't seem to mind that after all.
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Just back after a few post match beers and thought we played some really decent stuff second half with Carruthers, Johnson and Bannan all playing well.
The defence looked solid but thought we looked a bit toothless up front without Weimann and not entirely sure how Siegriest failed to stop that first penalty.
All in all a refreshing to change us pass the ball around rather than the usual shite served up by the first team.
Was sat with the home fans and really enjoyed Bannan giving them a bit of banter back after scoring his pen - the average age of them was only about 11 but very funny nonetheless!
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Academy day at VP tomorrow. Aston Villa v Cardiff City.
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Great stuff. Really enjoyable. Far better than watching the first team.