Heroes & Villains, the Aston Villa fanzine
Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: dave.woodhall on February 13, 2012, 10:09:25 AM
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The wolves bloke's piece coming up later is fun.
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Good post Dave I was also scratching my head why he started with Heskey.
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Good post Dave I was also scratching my head why he started with Heskey.
I can sort of see why, although I'd argue a better plan would have been to pick N'Zogbia after spending the week working with him in training on holding his position and not going wandering.
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Good post Dave I was also scratching my head why he started with Heskey.
I can sort of see why, although I'd argue a better plan would have been to pick N'Zogbia after spending the week working with him in training on holding his position and not going wandering.
Good article Dave, I agree to a certain extent, but, I did think Heskey played well.
The tempo certainly picked up when CN'Z came on, as it needed to.
Have to say my main concern beforehand was the back 4.
One question: How good is Carlos?
Didn't have a great view of goal, but, having seen it on MotD it did seem to be a mix up and Lesott lost 2 defenders.
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Agreed Dave - I was pretty dumbfounded why Heskey played while Ireland and N'Zogbia were on the bench - slapped wrists for naughty boys sprang to mind, as did cutting off nose to spite face.
Minor Pedant Alert: we don't play Wigan til 25th
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Cueller might have been marking Barry but was bypassed by the deep ball. Collins is more at fault as his job, going on how it was lined up, was to mark Lescott and he decided to needlessly follow the ball to the back post and leave Lescott unmarked 6 yards out.
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Collins goes to the ball more readily than Cinderella.
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As usual the team selection was the major talking point as very little happened during the match from a Villa point of view!
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Good post Dave I was also scratching my head why he started with Heskey.
I can sort of see why, although I'd argue a better plan would have been to pick N'Zogbia after spending the week working with him in training on holding his position and not going wandering.
Good article Dave, I agree to a certain extent, but, I did think Heskey played well.
The tempo certainly picked up when CN'Z came on, as it needed to.
Have to say my main concern beforehand was the back 4.
One question: How good is Carlos?
Didn't have a great view of goal, but, having seen it on MotD it did seem to be a mix up and Lesott lost 2 defenders.
In what sense? I would love to see a touch-by-touch analysis of his contribution yesterday because apart from one excellent piece of tracking back and a good tackle, I don't recall him doing anything that offered us anything. He may win a few balls in the air but they ping off into the cosmos like random meteorites; his touch is appropriate for the application of six inch nails and his ability to hold up the ball effectively is even more limited than Bent's. Playing Heskey is like committing to only having 10 on the pitch at the start and his presence is defining our season as Downing's defined last year.
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When i walked through Aston Park i could hear some noise and a few chants against the manager and yet when i got to Trinity Road there was nobody there. Had the Camera's gone so the protest stopped?
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Cueller might have been marking Barry but was bypassed by the deep ball. Collins is more at fault as his job, going on how it was lined up, was to mark Lescott and he decided to needlessly follow the ball to the back post and leave Lescott unmarked 6 yards out.
I agree with this. I watched the replay trying to work out how Lescott had so much space. When the corner came in Collins was the closest defender to Lescott but he followed the cross. Now I'm not sure whether they were "zonal marking and therefore the destination of the ball was considered within his zone, but if not it was SHOCKING play by Collins.
You'd hope the following day these sorts of things are analysed and if so he should get a bollocking.
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Good read, Dave.
My fear now, with Dunne out for 2 months, Clark out for a month, is Heskey is brought in as an emergency centre half.
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Good read, Dave.
My fear now, with Dunne out for 2 months, Clark out for a month, is Heskey is brought in as an emergency centre half.
Fuck, I had forgotten Clark was out.
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Good read, Dave.
My fear now, with Dunne out for 2 months, Clark out for a month, is Heskey is brought in as an emergency centre half.
Heaven forbid!
There were a lot of wft in the lions club when it was announced he was in the starting line up yesterday.
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Good read, Dave.
My fear now, with Dunne out for 2 months, Clark out for a month, is Heskey is brought in as an emergency centre half.
I think the defense will be Hutton, Collins, Cuellar & Warnock.
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Good read, Dave.
My fear now, with Dunne out for 2 months, Clark out for a month, is Heskey is brought in as an emergency centre half.
I think the defense will be Hutton, Collins, Cuellar & Warnock.
As tight as the happy mondays playing their most baggy tracks from their back catalogue whilst high on meth amphetamine and glue.
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Good read, Dave.
My fear now, with Dunne out for 2 months, Clark out for a month, is Heskey is brought in as an emergency centre half.
I think the defense will be Hutton, Collins, Cuellar & Warnock.
Think Baker will (should) get in ahead of Warnock
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Good read, Dave.
My fear now, with Dunne out for 2 months, Clark out for a month, is Heskey is brought in as an emergency centre half.
Heaven forbid!
There were a lot of wft in the lions club when it was announced he was in the starting line up yesterday.
I'm glad I wasn't in the middle of all those Silent but deadlies as sphincters loosened at the thought of starting Heskey. Mine was more of a praaarrpp when I heard.
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Good read, Dave.
My fear now, with Dunne out for 2 months, Clark out for a month, is Heskey is brought in as an emergency centre half.
I think the defense will be Hutton, Collins, Cuellar & Warnock.
Going out on a limb there ain'cha?!
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I hope this makeshift defense can handle the upcoming bottom table opposition. If we lose any of our next three I'll be pretty upset. That being said, our defense has been pretty bad all year and no matter the personnel back there I don't expect there to be much of an improvement, but what does need to be ramped up is McLeish's team sheet for Wigan. Play the right players, in their right position and let's roll. I'm nervous McLeish is going to become even more defensive minded with this uncertain back four. And I don't think Dunne will be out for the full 2 months, he's a horse and I expect him back in 6 weeks.
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Heskey looked more like a defensive midfielder than a winger . Sad times
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Heskey looked more like a defensive midfielder than a winger . Sad times
No doubt about it, he was a 5th defender.
However what needs addressing is pretty much what now..? With Clark and Dunne out can Hutton, Cuellar, Collins and Warnock win us games? My mentality is our already bad defense essentially just got worse, so now we NEED to score goals.. lets get on the front foot and make up for our defensive mistakes. You can't win if you don't score Eck.
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Heskey looked more like a defensive midfielder than a winger . Sad times
He did seem to be covering Huttton at right back most of the time. It was horrible to watch.
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I take it that you all think Heskey is crap because he used to play for Blues?
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the bit where Dave says that Mcliesh doesnt help himself with his team selections is spot on,
in fact as DW says he seems to go out of his way to do the very things that will bring even more criticism on himself, and thats something i really dont understand.
he know's how he is percieved, not just at VP but generally by football supporters, even those who are ready to support him must at times be pulling there hair out with some of the tactics and subs,
i thought he might be here for a long while come rain or shine, because he's randy's man, but i really dont think its working and there are now to many obsticals in the way for him to negotiate and can only see him falling, probably within 12 months
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I take it that you all think Heskey is crap because he used to play for Blues?
No.
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I think its more a case of he played for the blues because he was crap, rather than any post-blues side effects rubbing off on him.
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Strange isn't it, Heskey can be derided on the basis that we've all watched him and he's done little to suggest he's of the required standard, do the same about McLeish and it must be because he used to manage SHA.
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mental frankly. If AM gets the shove it will be on current managerial performance rather than what he did at SHA, Just like he wasn't appointed for what he did at blose. (I hope!)
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I take it that you all think Heskey is crap because he used to play for Blues?
No.
I think it's an analogy Lee.
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I take it that you all think Heskey is crap because he used to play for Blues?
Obviously, there could be no other reason, could there ?
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mental frankly. If AM gets the shove it will be on current managerial performance rather than what he did at SHA, Just like he wasn't appointed for what he did at blose. (I hope!)
Pretty tiring always having to defend your argument by saying firstly "it has nothing to do with the fact he came from SHA".I think to counter any Blues related argument I am putting forward Trevor fucking Francis to be our next manager advocating his first signing being Stephen Fucking Carr.
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I take it that you all think Heskey is crap because he used to play for Blues?
I think he's crap because he is crap!
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mental frankly. If AM gets the shove it will be on current managerial performance rather than what he did at SHA, Just like he wasn't appointed for what he did at blose. (I hope!)
Pretty tiring always having to defend your argument by saying firstly "it has nothing to do with the fact he came from SHA".I think to counter any Blues related argument I am putting forward Trevor fucking Francis to be our next manager advocating his first signing being Stephen Fucking Carr.
yep its daft. Probably 100% on this site didn't want him, but besides concerns about trouble employing an ex-blose manager, the main thing that concerned/concerns us was his ability. If we were top of the league and playing well no-one would give a shit.
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while Heskey was injured recently we actually played better (and Collins) .The two prime reasons we hoof it straight back to the opposition.Is it any coincidence that Heskey's arrival on the pitch in the second half at Newcastle has plunged us straight back to the dire crap we have had to suffer most of this season?
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while Heskey was injured recently we actually played better (and Collins) .The two prime reasons we hoof it straight back to the opposition.Is it any coincidence that Heskey's arrival on the pitch in the second half at Newcastle has plunged us straight back to the dire crap we have had to suffer most of this season?
Some will argue that when Heskey came on at Toon we improved, but I honestly think it was just the inevitable late match flurry of offense to salvage a point. It was never going to happen. It never it.
We are terrible at set pieces on both sides of the ball. The defense is worse than ever. The offense is non-existent and not even worth mentioning. And the supporters are bitter and anxious to get this season over with.
How can Alex McLeish make any of these issues better?
Simple, he can't.
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Some will argue that when Heskey came on at Toon we improved, but I honestly think it was just the inevitable late match flurry of offense to salvage a point. It was never going to happen. It never it.
We improved before they scored after he came on the pitch. But it was the introduction of GG for Clark that meant we took the game to them right at the end.
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the bit where Dave says that Mcliesh doesnt help himself with his team selections is spot on,
in fact as DW says he seems to go out of his way to do the very things that will bring even more criticism on himself, and thats something i really dont understand.
he know's how he is percieved, not just at VP but generally by football supporters, even those who are ready to support him must at times be pulling there hair out with some of the tactics and subs,
I agree with your agreement on what I wrote. I honestly thought he was learning, the team were improving and we might all start pulling together. Arsenal & Newcastle - setbacks but the former are better than us and the latter are on a roll. QPR - on another night we'd have got double figures. Then came that team selection.
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Will you use my piece in the next issue Dave? I did wonder whether it will be current enough by then.
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Heskey was used as a defensive wide midfielder and to get on the end of Givens kicks, that was the extent of the AM "Excellent Game Plan"
The article pretty much covered it for me.