Heroes & Villains, the Aston Villa fanzine
Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Rotterdam 82 on February 09, 2012, 02:03:14 AM
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Real Madrid's revenues of 480m euros (£401m) topped the Deloitte league table of the world's richest football clubs for the seventh straight year.
Deloitte's Football Money League, based on data for season 2010/11, says Real will match Manchester United's eight-year record if they stay top next year.
Real's arch-rivals Barcelona remained in second place, ahead of Manchester United, who stayed third.
Bayern Munich, Arsenal and Chelsea are fifth, sixth and seventh respectively.
Unchanged at top
The top seven clubs stayed in exactly the same positions as in the previous year.
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FOOTBALL FACTS
Aston Villa fell out of the league entirely, failing to hold on to their 20th position and leaving English clubs holding six places out of the top 20.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-16951878 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-16951878)
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No surprise.
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Does that mean McLeish can be sacked now?
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Does that mean McLeish can be sacked now?
Can't really blame McLeish for this
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Its not unconnected. His appointment has led to fewer people coming through the gates and revenue dropping. If we're going to point the finger though I think Faulkner is a better target, being on this list was more important to him than anything else seemingly.
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Its not unconnected. His appointment has led to fewer people coming through the gates and revenue dropping. If we're going to point the finger though I think Faulkner is a better target, being on this list was more important to him than anything else seemingly.
Do you really think it's had any 'significant' impact? I think crowds would have been down this season whoever got the job due to selling of players and the wider recession, I think it's difficult to make a case for placing much of it at the door of McLeish.
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Its not unconnected. His appointment has led to fewer people coming through the gates and revenue dropping. If we're going to point the finger though I think Faulkner is a better target, being on this list was more important to him than anything else seemingly.
Do you really think it's had any 'significant' impact? I think crowds would have been down this season whoever got the job due to selling of players and the wider recession, I think it's difficult to make a case for placing much of it at the door of McLeish.
It's definatley played it's part though, although i think we'll see a clearer indication on next season's ST Sales.
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I've no real interest in this money league thing. We're a football club not a bank. However, looking at Chelsea, historically a medium sized and largely unremarkable club rake in that sort of money after years of investment is quite telling.
There would be no reason to assume we ourselves could not get to similar heights. All we need is hundreds of millions of pounds and sustained success...
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That top twenty was never a real target anyway. It was something we happened to have achieved and was retrospectively stated as a target to demonstrate how competent we are from a business perspective.
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Its not unconnected. His appointment has led to fewer people coming through the gates and revenue dropping. If we're going to point the finger though I think Faulkner is a better target, being on this list was more important to him than anything else seemingly.
It's based on 2010/2011 before McLeish was appointed.
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It's a bit premature. This could all change when small heath finally post their accounts :)
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Oh no Randy's plans out the window were not in the top 20!
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Oops.
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It's based on 2010/2011 before McLeish was appointed.
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Yes, but let's not let facts get in the way of another excuse to bash McCleish. ;-)
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Its not unconnected. His appointment has led to fewer people coming through the gates and revenue dropping. If we're going to point the finger though I think Faulkner is a better target, being on this list was more important to him than anything else seemingly.
Do you really think it's had any 'significant' impact? I think crowds would have been down this season whoever got the job due to selling of players and the wider recession, I think it's difficult to make a case for placing much of it at the door of McLeish.
Supposedly our gate revenue is down by £1.5 Million this season, which will likely become £3 Million by the end of the season, and you have to admit that it's a sizable amount.
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If you were looking at a sucess or failure of a strategy, then ours as of late would be...
Get into the Champions League - Failed
Win a Trophy - Failed
Remain in the Top Six - more than likely failed
Be in the Deloitte top 20 list [as per letter to ST holders] - Failed
Maintain attendance levels - Failed
Looking objectively its hard not to be dissapointed in the way things have gone
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It was always slightly bizarre to state this as a goal and then do as much as humanly possible to stifle the flow of income by pissing off the paying customers.
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Its not unconnected. His appointment has led to fewer people coming through the gates and revenue dropping. If we're going to point the finger though I think Faulkner is a better target, being on this list was more important to him than anything else seemingly.
Do you really think it's had any 'significant' impact? I think crowds would have been down this season whoever got the job due to selling of players and the wider recession, I think it's difficult to make a case for placing much of it at the door of McLeish.
I did say 'his appointment' so yes I think its going to have a significant impact on the figures for this year. It marked the end of a period where we perhaps expected to compete at the top table, was deeply unpopular, and still is.
Pals have struggling to give STs away this year because of the kind of football we are perceived to play, accurately but for a few exceptions recently. People are less likely to watch now, how can it not have an impact on revenue?
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PW, I think we'd have had a similar season and similar crowds whoever had been appointed. I'm not suggesting it hasn't had any impact but selling players without replacing them has been more of a factor.
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So will PF get the 'tick tack' for failure?
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Actually, with profits from player sales and dramatically increased commercial income from the Genting and Macron deals I expect the next year or two turnover figures to be a lot better.
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Call yourselves Villa fans, real fans would get behind the chairman at this crucial stage and start spending more money at the Villa, I think we should all pay double ticket prices, and dress the whole family in head to toe Macron from now on, until we get ourselves back into that top 20. Fickle? We will show Randy what good fans we are, can we set up a collection?
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Does that mean McLeish can be sacked now?
Can't really blame McLeish for this
It was a joke.
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It was always slightly bizarre to state this as a goal and then do as much as humanly possible to stifle the flow of income by pissing off the paying customers.
Absolutely. And not just pissing off paying customers. The whole operation of the club has been down-sized since stating the target of getting in the top twenty. I'm not a drama queen (!) but I genuinely would like to hear PF's reaction to this missed target - and more to the point, I'd love to know how he thought we would achieve it whilst making so many cut backs.
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We got 20th on the figures from the season we had two great cup runs and were in contention for fourth place until the penultimate weekend of the season, so it's no surprise we dropped out on the figures for Houllier's season. What was the turnover? Did it drop much from the £90m?
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Oh dear. Not doing very well is he? Five year plan - failed! Top twenty - failed! Appoint the least popular manager in living memory! (been successful in that if that was actually his goal).
Must do better!
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I don't think he's anywhere near as disliked as DOL was in his last season. And I'd say Houllier after the Anfield thing was more disliked too.
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Actually, with profits from player sales and dramatically increased commercial income from the Genting and Macron deals I expect the next year or two turnover figures to be a lot better.
Fair point, but profits from player sales will depend on how the players concerned were valued in the books. If they were valued at purchase price and depreciated, then the profit could be quite significant. If they had been revalued to reflect actual market value, not so much. It also depends on how they define turnover, normally income from "normal business activities". Depends on whether transfer dealings are considered normal business activities, but sales of assets would not normally fall within that definition. Risso is probably the man to ask, or I suppose we could always consult VillaDawg (runs for cover).
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Any new figures on turnover?
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I don't think he's anywhere near as disliked as DOL was in his last season. And I'd say Houllier after the Anfield thing was more disliked too.
Maybe it depends where you sit. He's more disliked than either of them in the Lower Holte where I sit. *shrug*
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Any new figures on turnover?
May 2011 accounts due the end of this month.
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Thanks Mart. I think we are at a disadvantage with this list as the figures quoted for us always seem the most out of date. Am I wrong?
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We are just outside the top 20(24) on 99.3 m Newcastle just behind us on 98m. I'm sure this is an increase year on year. Not 100% though.
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We are just outside the top 20(24) on 99.3 m Newcastle just behind us on 98m. I'm sure this is an increase year on year. Not 100% though.
Does that include player sales?
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That's pretty good going. I'm pretty sure it was £90m the year before. I'm also pretty sure it's for the year of the Milner sale; if so that would be offset by the purchase of Bent and Makoun. Let's not forget our two main sponsorship deals have improved significantly since then. The wage to turnover ratio must be looking comparatively healthy by now.
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Are we the highest team never to play in the Champs League?
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In most sane industries it should be profits that are important.
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Are we the highest team never to play in the Champs League?
Probably - but not the highest who have never won the European Cup! That is one of the London teams!!!
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Outside the Sky 6 we are the best in England.
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The years before turnover was £92m so if its now £99m I'm genuinely surprised and actually pleased! Added to which this years figures should get better with improved commercial income and the removal of vast swathes of the wage bill slightly offset by reduced matchday income from a fall in attendances though this doesn't worry me as much as its becoming an insignificant part of out turnover.
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Wage bill has zero effect on it, it will affect profits but has nothing to do with revenue. Not directly anyway.
Transfer fees and significant non-football related income are also excluded, according to the report for 2009-2010.
Revenue excludes player transfer fees, VAT and other sales
related taxes. In a few cases we have made adjustments
to total revenue figures to enable, in our view, a more
meaningful comparison of the football business on a club
by club basis. For instance, where information was
available to us, significant non-football activities or capital
transactions have been excluded from revenue.
http://www.deloitte.com/view/en_GB/uk/industries/sportsbusinessgroup/sports/football/deloitte-football-money-league-2011/5596840c99e9d210VgnVCM2000001b56f00aRCRD.htm
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Yeah we know that kt. The point AV82EC and I are making is that if revenues are increasing, and wages dropping, the wages to turnover ratio that has been a big problem in Randy's view is beginning to look a lot healthier, perhaps paving the way for a bit of investment again.
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The Deloitte figures are out before the statutory accounts are released, so the club must release the unaudited figures to them in advance.
The Deloitte report last year had Villa's turnover as £89.6m, then when the accounts came out it was actually £90.8m, so fairly accurate, with the commercial income being slightly higher when the official figures were produced.
This year, our income is listed by Deloitte as being €99.3m, which using the Deloitte exchange rate gives our turnover as £89.7m. Allowing for last minute accounting differences and exchange rate variations, that means our income is pretty well unchanged. I'd guess that when the figures come out, they'll show TV and commercial income up a bit, with attendance income down leading to a static revenue figure.
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On accounts release day, why dont we get some strippers, a crate of beers and do a line of figures off their tits?
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Good idea Maz. Let's think of some other days we can do that too. I'll start us off; days with a 'y' in them.
Risso: sorry, didn't realise it was in euros.
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Apologies from me to Risso didn't realise it was in Euro's. In whihc case slightly disappointing but I'd agree with your reasons for why it would remain static.