Heroes & Villains, the Aston Villa fanzine
Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: dave.woodhall on February 06, 2012, 09:24:24 AM
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I agree with you we shouldn't believe anything that's said on Twitter Dave.
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I agree with you we shouldn't believe anything that's said on Twitter Dave.
#indenial
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I agree with you we shouldn't believe anything that's said on Twitter Dave.
#whathesaid
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There's something fundamentally wrong with our club at the moment, and I don't just mean our inability to defend. I've just finished reading Lance Armstrong's second book in which he describes the work ethic of his team. He states that the whole team was geared up to make sure that he had the best shot at winning the tour. Everyone understood the team came first, personal glory came second. I think one of the problems at Villa park is that some of the senior players either don't rate/respect Mcleish or they are such big time Charlies that they have an over inflated sense of self worth. I guess ultimately they could just be either A: crap, B: past it or C: a combination of A and B. This whole situation reminds me very much of the years leading up to our relegation in 86 in which on paper we looked like a half decent team, but in reality we were useless. Unless Mcleish can get rid of the deadwood or trouble makers in the summer then we're in trouble. The problem is that players hold all the aces. You can't sack them so you are just left footing the bill for them until their contract runs out. Wether Mcleish will be the man to sort it out is anyone's guess, but I suspect that he wont. I also think having an absent owner does not help either. It gives the wrong impression that he doesn't really care. I think we'll survive relegation this season, but next year we may not be so lucky.
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How is a tweet from a player's official twitter page not a verified source? It's that player's direct view, unadulterated by journalistic spin, and in this case it's N'Zogbia, and he ain't happy.
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Why would he be happy? We lost. Has he said he was unhappy with the manager or unhappy with the club and desperate to leave? No. For all you know he was unhappy as he got back from Newcastle and realised he had forgotten to tape "Sunday Politics" with Andrew Neill. Anything else is just conjecture.
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There's a difference between "Gutted we lost" and "first time in my life I'm not happy playing football". But of course.. he was talking about something completely non-Villa related, right?
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The sad thing is, I don't think Newcastle are better than us, on paper (their first choice central midfield apart, Tiote and Cabaye). They are just better-organised, play with confidence and work harder as Dixon pointed out when McLeish spoke about their workrate on MOTD2 last night.
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The sad thing is, I don't think Newcastle are better than us, on paper (their first choice central midfield apart, Tiote and Cabaye). They are just better-organised, play with confidence and work harder as Dixon pointed out when McLeish spoke about their workrate on MOTD2 last night.
I know we were missing players, but they had a number of players missing on Sunday. Perhaps team spirit takes you a long way.
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Why would he be happy? We lost. Has he said he was unhappy with the manager or unhappy with the club and desperate to leave? No. For all you know he was unhappy as he got back from Newcastle and realised he had forgotten to tape "Sunday Politics" with Andrew Neill. Anything else is just conjecture.
Agree.
Twitter is a dangerous place for footballers.
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Why would he be happy? We lost. Has he said he was unhappy with the manager or unhappy with the club and desperate to leave? No. For all you know he was unhappy as he got back from Newcastle and realised he had forgotten to tape "Sunday Politics" with Andrew Neill. Anything else is just conjecture.
He has said that for the first time, he is unhappy with his chosen career. Can you think of anything that might have brought him to have that view?
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Why would he be happy? We lost. Has he said he was unhappy with the manager or unhappy with the club and desperate to leave? No. For all you know he was unhappy as he got back from Newcastle and realised he had forgotten to tape "Sunday Politics" with Andrew Neill. Anything else is just conjecture.
He has said that for the first time, he is unhappy with his chosen career. Can you think of anything that might have brought him to have that view?
He might have stubbed his toe in the dressing room for all we know. The hot water in the bath might have run out. Stephen Ireland might have not got his round in. We don't know and if every comment by every player was regarded so apocalyptically they'd all be transferred twice a year.
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Maybe it has something to do with the abuse he was getting that he later re-tweeted?
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We're living in the age of instant responses. Most premier league footballers have far more money than most of us, they're immune from the realities of everyday life etc etc. They post things in the heat of the moment without thinking of the consequences, possibly sometimes egged on by others, pretending to care, whilst secretly enjoying the resultant 'this is terrible' outrage.
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Why would he be happy? We lost. Has he said he was unhappy with the manager or unhappy with the club and desperate to leave? No. For all you know he was unhappy as he got back from Newcastle and realised he had forgotten to tape "Sunday Politics" with Andrew Neill. Anything else is just conjecture.
He has said that for the first time, he is unhappy with his chosen career. Can you think of anything that might have brought him to have that view?
He might have stubbed his toe in the dressing room for all we know. The hot water in the bath might have run out. Stephen Ireland might have not got his round in. We don't know and if every comment by every player was regarded so apocalyptically they'd all be transferred twice a year.
I can't see that the statement "I'm not happy playing football" is open to much interpretation to be honest. He doesn't seem to be talking about anything trivial.
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I can't see that the statement "I'm not happy playing football" is open to much interpretation to be honest. He doesn't seem to be talking about anything trivial.
There could be many reasons why he said it, most of them trivial. We don't know what he meant by it or what caused it but the world is still turning and life goes on.
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Maybe it has something to do with the abuse he was getting that he later re-tweeted?
I thought the abuse started after his tweet. I don't know as I don't follow him.
I agree with Dave that there is a lot of interpretation then he hates the manager / club and that is the reason for his comment.
He was being constantly booed by Newcastle fans and although he set up the goal, he was a bit of the pace especially in the second half. Maybe when he was on the bench or going down the tunnel he was spat on by Newcastle fans.
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How is a tweet from a player's official twitter page not a verified source? It's that player's direct view, unadulterated by journalistic spin, and in this case it's N'Zogbia, and he ain't happy.
This. This is the entire point of twitter.
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We're living in the age of instant responses. Most premier league footballers have far more money than most of us, they're immune from the realities of everyday life etc etc. They post things in the heat of the moment without thinking of the consequences, possibly sometimes egged on by others, pretending to care, whilst secretly enjoying the resultant 'this is terrible' outrage.
Nah. The Zog knew what he was doing. He's the sort of outspoken individual who needs to vent his frustration in public...but so what? What player would be happy to be subbed in favor of Emule? C'mon!
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And as being debated, was that what he was saying? It can be interpreted in many different ways and could be because of abuse suffered from Newcastle fans as much as anything to do with Villa.
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In non-football life, people have been jailed for comments made on t'internet. And I'm more than willing to believe some said comments have been misinterpreted.
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The whole point of Twitter seems to me to give another outlet for the self-important to air their views.
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The whole point of Twitter seems to me to give another outlet for the self-important to air their views.
And Damon, sorry, just realised you had covered him.
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The whole point of Twitter seems to me to give another outlet for the self-important to air their views.
And Damon, sorry, just realised you had covered him.
And, of course, Damon. And Danny Baker.
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This is Charles Nzogbia, a bloke that is known for throwing a strop if things are not going his way
The quitter on Twitter
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Im not happy you cost nearly 10mill Charlie..
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Im not happy you cost nearly 10mill Charlie..
Not to mention his weekly wages that probably equate to more than each of us would put into the club in a lifetime of following them.
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To be honest, I don't think it is that he is unhappy with the club at all, which is the most important thing to me. Maybe he is unhappy that he hasn't been able to be the impact player he was at Wigan. He's played pretty well in a select few games, but he surely hasn't had an amazing game, yet. At Wigan it seemed like every Saturday he would have close to an amazing game. I think he'll come good, he just needs to feel wanted. We all know he has the potential to be a top, top winger. He's still in his first year with the club. Good things come to those who wait.
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Strange substitutions? Don't agree with that unless you mean they should have been subbed earlier.N'Zogbia is one lazy fecker who didn't do his job at all defensively.Heskey may well be everyone's favourite scapegoat but he put a good shift in.As for Ireland, well he better be injured or he'll go down as the most gutless player to pull on a Villa shirt.The amount of times he pulled out of 50/50s was embarrassing,made Downing look like a footballing hardman.For me we simply didn't get the rub of the green and i'd be questioning why Bent never gets himself hurt.There were at least two occasions when he should have been going in with the keeper and instead he stood back.Bit more desire please Bent.
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The whole point of Twitter seems to me to give another outlet for the self-important to air their views.
Nail on head mate
Also was Saunders not quoted as saying "If i did not give Morely a bollocking every game he would have thought i had fallen out with him"
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Comparing Tony Morely and Charles N'Gob is like comparing apples and oral thrush though.
Players these days are mollycottled, delicate flowers at the best of times.
I have no huge sympathy for 60k per week CNZ, but -by the same token- I thought it was pretty clear that his comment wasn't directed at Newcastle fans giving him stick during the match. Or the Villa fans who reacted to his comments later.
'First time in my life I'm not happy playing football' sounds like an ongoing issue. Not something that just happened on Sunday. And yes, being replaced my a useless lummox like Heskey can't have helped matters either.
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I beg to differ Kevin, to me it looked like a player in a bit of a huff after being substituted and venting his annoyance on Twitter, nothing more, and nothing that wasn't probably laughed off the next day at training. After all, he subsequently tweeted something about what doesn't kill you makes you stronger, which looks to me like he got over it and wants to bounce back in the next game.
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The whole point of Twitter seems to me to give another outlet for the self-important to air their views.
Nail on head mate
Also was Saunders not quoted as saying "If i did not give Morely a bollocking every game he would have thought i had fallen out with him"
When you're a successful manager, you can get away with pretty much anything, especially 30 years ago when players weren't the spoilt prima donnas they are these days. We have a club that's badly run from top to bottom, with a clueless owner appointing a crap manager, who can't cope with a mediocre bunch of players, including his own main signing. N'Zogbia's comments were just further evidence of the deep malaise at the club. When was the last time we had any genuinely good news coming out of the club?
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the main thing is not whether he meant it or not, or was talking about the manager, his own personal form or anything else, as soon as its in the public doman its open to interpretation and the traditional media to shit stir about. Its exactly what we found with the General's thread, in that it as either banal plattitudes or something that caused trouble whether it was meant that way or not. The club should ban all players from posting on twitter instead of encouraging it. They should remember the crap that the pointless tiff with John Lerwill caused.