Heroes & Villains, the Aston Villa fanzine
Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: bilsim on January 28, 2012, 03:24:20 PM
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I'm seeing a lot of talk around various sites and threads that Ireland and Keane can't/won't play together. Am I ignorant to something, do they not see eye to eye? Or is it something to do with Ireland quitting internationals? Just seems a little strange to me.
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We'll find out tomorrow. I can't believe that's the case because I'd assume that they wouldn't train together either. I'm sure all of the Irish lads hav reached out to Ireland to reconsider including the captain.
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I just read it as people thinking that Keane and Ireland wouldn't fit into the same team because they play best in a similar position, not that they had an issue with each other.
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I doubt that this would be the case, but in fairness if it was gonna be anyone it would be Ireland. I'm sure, others have suggested, that it's more to do with how they don't fit into the same system - after all, we've been playing Keane just behind the striker; the position Ireland would ideally occupy.
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I'm sure this isn't the case, but if it was then we should be focused on keeping Ireland happy since he is actually our player.
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I'm sure there were rumours that Keane was one of the players that bullied Ireland whilst on international duty which resulted in Ireland retiring. However I think it is more likely that it is a tactics thing as they both take up similar positions.
Personally I'd play Ireland and use Keane as an impact player for the last 20-30 minutes.
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File in the 'bollocks' folder.
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I'm sure this isn't the case, but if it was then we should be focused on keeping Ireland happy since he is actually our player.
No. Focus on getting Ireland to respond to greater competition in his area of the team.
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I'm sure this isn't the case, but if it was then we should be focused on keeping Ireland happy since he is actually our player.
No. Focus on getting Ireland to respond to greater competition in his area of the team.
In fairness before being injured last week, he was excellent for a few games in a row. I don't see how he wasn't responding.
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I'm sure this isn't the case, but if it was then we should be focused on keeping Ireland happy since he is actually our player.
No. Focus on getting Ireland to respond to greater competition in his area of the team.
In fairness before being injured last week, he was excellent for a few games in a row. I don't see how he wasn't responding.
Sorry, I'm not saying Ireland hasn't responded - I've been singing his praises of late and been very happy with him. I have just never agreed with the idea of selecting anyone on the basis it might keep them happy or they might want to up and leave if dropped. It's probably a debate that may raise it head more with Darren Bent if he isn't producing.
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I don't think we'd be daft enough to sign a player, even on a short term deal, who one of our existing, better players has a long standing problem with.
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I was talking purely tactically. They both play in more or less the same position. Or more accurately, I'm not at all convinced Ireland can play in midfield in a 442; and I think keane really needs to play as a second striker, centrally.
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Keane used to bully Ireland on international duty.
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Unfortunate for Ireland then that Keane will be the first name on the team sheet tomorrow.
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I don't know I think alot of that stuff about Ireland being bullied was complete rubbish. I think if a person in any job turned up for work one day wearing a wig they could expect a certain amount of slagging. Ireland has always denied it as have any of the other Irish players when asked.
Ireland had issues with playing for his country going right back to underage level, I have a vague recollection of him having a row with the Irish u-19 manager Brian Kerr and being sent home from some tournament. As already stated, I think Keane occupies pretty much the same position as that which Ireland operates in, so it's hard to see the two of them gelling in the same team.
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I'm sure this isn't the case, but if it was then we should be focused on keeping Ireland happy since he is actually our player.
No. Focus on getting Ireland to respond to greater competition in his area of the team.
In fairness before being injured last week, he was excellent for a few games in a row. I don't see how he wasn't responding.
Sorry, I'm not saying Ireland hasn't responded - I've been singing his praises of late and been very happy with him. I have just never agreed with the idea of selecting anyone on the basis it might keep them happy or they might want to up and leave if dropped. It's probably a debate that may raise it head more with Darren Bent if he isn't producing.
It seems that the general consensus in matters like these is that providing competition for a player's place in the side will motivate them to play better. I think we can assume that Ireland is somewhat of a fragile character and given that we have just started to see what he potentially could bring to the team, I think PaulWinch has a valid point here.
I can say that personally, I would feel much more comfortable knowing that I was valued in my position, and not being doubted about my ability to be the best person to play that position in the side. If someone were to be brought in on a temporary basis and chosen for my role ahead of me, I think it would have a detrimental effect on my performance, rather than inspiring me to fight for my place. So maybe Ireland's happiness (considering he is our permanent player) is worth a bit of consideration here.
Obviously I don't know that playing Keane ahead of Ireland would have an affect on Ireland like this. But it's odd that I have also always thought that competition for places must surely inspire players, when in fact now I've thought about it I realise that would be the last thing I would want. It depends on an individual's personality.
For what it's worth I would actually go with a front 3 of:
Gabby
Ireland Keane
with Bent coming off the bench at some point if we needed a change.
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I don't think we'd be daft enough to sign a player, even on a short term deal, who one of our existing, better players has a long standing problem with.
This, too. I'd be very disappointed if the powers that be hadn't sounded this out if it might be an issue. We've certainly got the players that could have provided the info if necessary.
But then again... it's not like those in charge haven't made any mistakes lately.
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Bob, that team would be outrageously narrow wouldn't it? Pretty much 5 central midfielders!
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I thought McLeish said they were linking up very well in training.
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Bob, that team would be outrageously narrow wouldn't it? Pretty much 5 central midfielders!
Yeah, you're right Matt, it would be very narrow. I've just been thinking about fitting Ireland and Keane into the same team, and considering that Ireland was at his best at City as the left sided attacking midfield player.
If we played with a solid midfield of Clark, Petrov and Gardner, maybe it could give the front 3 to roam wherever they want
Maybe it'd be shite though.
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Apparently Keane was one of the players who took the piss out of Irelands hair, Ireland didnt like it. Boo hoo.
Who gives a shit, you dont like/get on with everyone you work with so no big deal as long as they produce the goods on the pitch.
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Keane was allegedly one of the lads who tried to stick Stevie's head down the jacks and flush his wig off during training with EIRE. Probably a load of betty swollocks though.
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That was Stephen (C)Hunt wasn't it?
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They are both starting today thus rendering this myth busted.
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This terribly written piece is the only thing I could find.
Robbie Keane praises Coleman and blasts Ireland
17/12/2010 2:50 amRobbie Keane still clearly has some lingering resentment towards Aston Villa’s Stephen Ireland, using an interview as an opportunity to lambast the Donald Pleasance look-alike.
The Tottenham substitute believes that Trap would probably have to take the mentally unstable Corkonian back if he declared himself available again.
Does Keane believe Ireland to be the best thing since sliced bread, though? In a word – No!
“He should come back if he wants to come back,” Robbie Keane said in an interview with supporters’ website YBIG.ie.
“If he doesn't want to play for his country what can we do? Why, if he doesn't want to come back, would you want him to come back?
“It's like the media keep saying he is the best player in the world! If what happened had happened in England the player would have been slaughtered. In Ireland we make him out to be the best player we have.”
When asked who he thought was the best Irish player young is, he replied with praise for Everton’s rampaging right back cum right winger Seamus Coleman.
“He has been looking very good,” Keane said. “He has only been in one senior Ireland squad but he has come on in leaps and bounds recently. He's catching everyone's eye.”
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This terribly written piece is the only thing I could find.
Robbie Keane praises Coleman and blasts Ireland
17/12/2010 2:50 amRobbie Keane still clearly has some lingering resentment towards Aston Villa’s Stephen Ireland, using an interview as an opportunity to lambast the Donald Pleasance look-alike.
The Tottenham substitute believes that Trap would probably have to take the mentally unstable Corkonian back if he declared himself available again.
Does Keane believe Ireland to be the best thing since sliced bread, though? In a word – No!
“He should come back if he wants to come back,” Robbie Keane said in an interview with supporters’ website YBIG.ie.
“If he doesn't want to play for his country what can we do? Why, if he doesn't want to come back, would you want him to come back?
“It's like the media keep saying he is the best player in the world! If what happened had happened in England the player would have been slaughtered. In Ireland we make him out to be the best player we have.”
When asked who he thought was the best Irish player young is, he replied with praise for Everton’s rampaging right back cum right winger Seamus Coleman.
“He has been looking very good,” Keane said. “He has only been in one senior Ireland squad but he has come on in leaps and bounds recently. He's catching everyone's eye.”
Somebody got paid to write that :/