Heroes & Villains, the Aston Villa fanzine
Heroes & Villains => Villa Memories => Topic started by: hipkiss92 on January 20, 2012, 08:20:43 PM
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Don't know if anyone can answer this but, when Liverpool were still banned after Heysel for the 90-91 European season, why didn't we, as runners-up the year before, receive their European Cup place?
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Because all English clubs were banned for 5 years following Heysel.
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Because all English clubs were banned for 5 years following Heysel.
English clubs were back in for 90-91, which is why we were in the UEFA Cup, but Liverpool had a six year ban so couldn't keep their European Cup place. Why didn't we receive it as runners-up?
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Heysel was 1985 and UEFA banned all English clubs from Europe for 5 years?
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UEFA wouldn't admit non-champions to the European Cup (when they cared about such things) and we weren't champions.
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Because all English clubs were banned for 5 years following Heysel.
English clubs were back in for 90-91, which is why we were in the UEFA Cup, but Liverpool had a six year ban so couldn't keep their European Cup place. Why didn't we receive it as runners-up?
Liverpool originally had a further 3 year ban after English clubs were re-admitted but this was reduced to one (which they had then served) in the summer of 1991.
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We had two proper competitions then.
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Heysel was 1985 and UEFA banned all English clubs from Europe for 5 years?
Because only the winner of the league got into Europe and UEFA didn't allow it to be passed down to the runner up????
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Why should we have been allowed into a competition that was for reigning champions only and the holders ?
Following Heysel in 1985, all English clubs were banned from Europe for 5 years and Liverpool for 6 years. At the end of the ban, as runners up we went into the Uefa Cup as the only English club (instead of the usual 4) and FA Cup winners Man Utd were in the Cup winners Cup which they won.
I don't remember any great debate or fuss at the time to try and get us in the European Cup. You have to also appreciate at that time English clubs and their fans were seen as the bad boys of Europe, culminating in the Heysel tragedy. It was just good to get some representation back in there and has taken many many more years to restore our image after many other shameful events over the years.
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English clubs were banned Everton won the league after and were not allowed to play
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I think it was unfortunate for Everton because they may of won it.
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I think it was unfortunate for Everton because they may of won it.
However, IMO, the ban on all English clubs at the time was right.
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Heysel was 1985 and UEFA banned all English clubs from Europe for 5 years?
Because only the winner of the league got into Europe and UEFA didn't allow it to be passed down to the runner up????
Although when Marseille were banned they did offer the European Cup place to the French runner-up.
Conclusion? UEFA are anti-Villa bastards who also switched the legs around against Inter so we'd have the disadvantage of playing away second.
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Heysel was 1985 and UEFA banned all English clubs from Europe for 5 years?
Because only the winner of the league got into Europe and UEFA didn't allow it to be passed down to the runner up????
Although when Marseille were banned they did offer the European Cup place to the French runner-up.
Conclusion? UEFA are anti-Villa bastards who also switched the legs around against Inter so we'd have the disadvantage of playing away second.
Marseille were banned from a competition called the European Champions League, we were not being allowed into a competition called the European Cup. The existing competition is for clubs finishing as low as 4th in their domestic league, the competiton we won in 1982 was strictly and exclusively for Champions only, in other words every single team you came up against was the very best their country could offer.
If the the likes of Arsenal, Chelsea, Man City do ever eventually win this tournament and claim parity with us - they will still not be able to turn round and say they had to beat reigning Champions in every single round.
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They didn't adopt the rule about non-Champions being allowed in it till a few years after the Marseille ban. Agree with the rest of the post.
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Can't believe that Blackburn Rovers have played in the Champions League.
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Can't believe that Blackburn Rovers have played in the Champions League.
I know. You'd think that Birmingham City, a team from a city of a million people, the second largest in the country, would have had some sort of European pedigree. Not a fucking sniff though is there?
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Can't believe that Blackburn Rovers have played in the Champions League.
You really do stink of the Sty.
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Can't believe that Blackburn Rovers have played in the Champions League.
Yes they've only won three league titles, six FA Cups (including a record three-in-a-row) and a League Cup. Two League Cups and some Leyland Daft Vases are far more impressive.
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Can't believe that Blackburn Rovers have played in the Champions League.
What does the 'T' in KRO-T stand for?
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Can't believe that Blackburn Rovers have played in the Champions League.
What does the 'T' in KRO-T stand for?
I can make a good guess!
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Can't believe that Blackburn Rovers have played in the Champions League.
What does the 'T' in KRO-T stand for?
Take your pick from:
Trevor
Tarantini
Tait
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A bit of trivia for you, Villa scored the first goal after we were allowed back in Europe, Derek Mountfield got the first against Banik Ostrava and it wasn't an own goal.
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Can't believe that Blackburn Rovers have played in the Champions League.
What does the 'T' in KRO-T stand for?
Take your pick from:
Trevor
Tarantini
Tait
Twat.... Only joking ;-)
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A bit of trivia for you, Villa scored the first goal after we were allowed back in Europe, Derek Mountfield got the first against Banik Ostrava and it wasn't an own goal.
It was David Platt
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Great days! Really exciting being back in Europe. I was in Milan for the 2-0 leg at villa and Birmingham for the away leg. D'oh!!!
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Can't believe that Blackburn Rovers have played in the Champions League.
What does the 'T' in KRO-T stand for?
Take your pick from:
Trevor
Tarantini
Tait
What about the T in TRS-T? Tilton Road Slums Tosser?
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Can't believe that Blackburn Rovers have played in the Champions League.
I know. You'd think that Birmingham City, a team from a city of a million people, the second largest in the country, would have had some sort of European pedigree. Not a fucking sniff though is there?
to be fair (no pun intended) bluenoses of a certain generation - especially during the 1980's were always quick to point out they had contested a Fairs Cup Final in response to any guffaw in their direction once Rotterdam 1982 was mentioned.
Regarding 1990, the sports minister Colin Moynehan (think that is how it is spelt) lobbied well over a year to get english clubs back in and surprise, surprise Margaret Thatcher wasnt having it but the good natured support England enjoyed in the 1990 World Cup, went a long way to convincing UEFA and Thatcher to agree to his case for. No-one objected to a UEFA place and as a Villa fan it felt good that we were the first team back in. The front page of The Sun had the headline 'EURO We Go' with a (B&W) picture of David Platt in Villa colours accompanying the story.
and then later on during the competition after having shell shocked Inter Milan at home a mile-over-the-byline cross for Inter's third goal in the San Siro was a classic bit of UEFA inspired anti-English cheating.
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I often wonder what might have happened if we'd gone through. We were on a rise then and Dr Jo had just won Manager of the Month. Maybe he could've been alright but our season collapsed after that.
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I never knew they switched the away game to the second leg. This has made me quite angry, even after 21 years... I assume it was because both Milan teams were drawn at home first?
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I remember being at Anfield the season after they won the League and they paraded the trophy round the stadium, the whole stadium sang Champions champions champions the Villa fans responded with"we're going to europe, we're going to europe, your not, your not, that shut them up.
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Can't believe that Blackburn Rovers have played in the Champions League.
What does the 'T' in KRO-T stand for?
Keep Right On - Troll
Tilton Road Stand - Troll
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I never knew they switched the away game to the second leg. This has made me quite angry, even after 21 years... I assume it was because both Milan teams were drawn at home first?
Yes, both Milan clubs were drawn at home in the first legs. But with AC Milan being in the Champion's Cup their tie took priority.