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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Richie on January 16, 2012, 01:23:33 PM
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Having witnessed consistently dire performances by Stephen Warnock of late, is anyone else of the opinion that we should give Enda Stephens a crack at left back ?
Surely he can't do any worse.
I can see why Houllier bombed him out of the squad last season now.
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The more this season goes on the more I think Gerrard knew what he was doing!
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Has Enda played for the reserves yet? Or has anyone heard how he's getting on in training?
As I said in the Everton post match thread I'd rather see Neil Warnock at left back than Stephen.
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The more this season goes on the more I think Gerrard knew what he was doing!
When you look at Warnock, then yes, but when you look at Gabby, who he'd also have got shot of, then no.
I'm all for giving Edna a crack, but I can also see Clark playing there once Herd is back. Or we get a new midfielder!
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Has Enda played for the reserves yet? Or has anyone heard how he's getting on in training?
As I said in the Everton post match thread I'd rather see Neil Warnock at left back than Stephen.
Yes he played for the reserves against Arsenal (I think) Had a good game by all accounts
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As ever things get a bit exaggerated. He's been poor the last 2 home games but he was very good at Chelsea. I think it's a bit for Enda, he needs a couple of sub appearances rather than to just be thrown in at the deep end.
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Has Enda played for the reserves yet? Or has anyone heard how he's getting on in training?
As I said in the Everton post match thread I'd rather see Neil Warnock at left back than Stephen.
Yes he played for the reserves against Arsenal (I think) Had a good game by all accounts
The reserves are playing Wolves tonight so he might be in that.
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As ever things get a bit exaggerated. He's been poor the last 2 home games but he was very good at Chelsea. I think it's a bit for Enda, he needs a couple of sub appearances rather than to just be thrown in at the deep end.
He wasn't very good at Chelsea. I was there and although he wasn't as bad as he's been against Swansea and Everton he was still giving the ball away almost every time he had it and he was getting ripped apart by Sturridge.
I'm just not sure Edna is ready yet. I think Clark or Herd is a safer bet.
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As ever things get a bit exaggerated. He's been poor the last 2 home games but he was very good at Chelsea. I think it's a bit for Enda, he needs a couple of sub appearances rather than to just be thrown in at the deep end.
He wasn't very good at Chelsea. I was there and although he wasn't as bad as he's been against Swansea and Everton he was still giving the ball away almost every time he had it and he was getting ripped apart by Sturridge.
I'm just not sure Edna is ready yet. I think Clark or Herd is a safer bet.
I disagree, he played Sturridge well. Why would Herd, a midfielder with one right back performance to his name, be an option at left back? That makes absolutely no sense.
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I can't see Enda Stevens being any worse than Warnock has been the last couple of games. Throw him in.
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As ever things get a bit exaggerated. He's been poor the last 2 home games but he was very good at Chelsea. I think it's a bit for Enda, he needs a couple of sub appearances rather than to just be thrown in at the deep end.
He wasn't very good at Chelsea. I was there and although he wasn't as bad as he's been against Swansea and Everton he was still giving the ball away almost every time he had it and he was getting ripped apart by Sturridge.
I'm just not sure Edna is ready yet. I think Clark or Herd is a safer bet.
I disagree, he played Sturridge well. Why would Herd, a midfielder with one right back performance to his name, be an option at left back? That makes absolutely no sense.
My apologies - I was thinking Lichaj when I wrote Herd. That said, Warnock's major weaknesses are his horrendous lack of pace, his inability to judge a tackle and his distribution. I would trust Lichaj, Clark, and even Herd over Warnock on all of those criteria.
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Warnock has been awful for pretty much the whole season, and even taking into account everyone putting in a decent shift at Chelsea, he's pretty frightening at times of late.
Having said that, though, Stevens has only been training with us for a few weeks, and none of us have any idea what he's like, so it's hard to say with any conviction that he's ready.
Bit of a tricky situation. Player performing badly is our only option in that position.
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Warnock wasn't too bad at the beginning of the season but he's been mostly poor for the last 3 months now. Back to how bad he was last season, and the tail end of the season before.
In all honesty, often this season, Warnocks had the benefit of Hutton on the opposite side of the pitch, playing even worse than him, and masking how crap he is.
I'd like to see a total shuffle at the back. I'd give Stevens a couple of games. He'd struggle to be any worse than Warnock has been. If Steven's struggles, we put Clark at left back, or hell, even Delph. Delph would at least offer something going forward and give away just as many silly free-kicks as Warnock does.
The sooner we get Collins, Hutton and Warnock out the team, the better.
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I'd like to see Herd at RB - he played quite a bit there in the reserves and although, as Chris Smith says, he's only had 1 first team game at RB he was man of the match. Unfortunately I can't see McLeish picking him there instead of the awful Hutton so I'd put him in midfield and move Clark to LB I'd instead of Warnock, whose confidence is completely shot. I'd like to see Mcleish start introducing Enda Stevens over the next 3 or 4 games though.
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I dont think playing Enda just yet is wise. Let him have a few more reserve games and hopefully some substitute appearences in the first team before giving a full 90 mins. Warnock needs to go, most likely in the summer as I cant see him being shifted this transfer window especially with the "small" squad we have. Any ideas when Lichaj is 100% fit? I know he is training again right?
I've mentioned it in some other post about Warnock but GH knew what he was doing when he froze him out last season. He clearly isn't good enough anymore. His best season was when he first signed for us which resulted in him being called up to the england squad. Since then, its gone all down hill for him
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Maybe we could get a left back on loan? Is Zhirkov still at Chavski? Always liked him.
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A few mentioned Delph playing there on another thread which may be ok although isn't he going on loan? Any reports on Baker or Lowry at Millwall? Doubt they'd have any claim to the position ahead of Stevens though, especially if they played in the last Millwall game!
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Come on give Warnock some credit.
He nearly scored with a blinding header. Took an excellent save to deny him.
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When you read this thread I think you can see AM's issue with dropping him - no clear or obvious replacement! What have we come up with?
Clark - a natural CB currently needed in midfield
Stevens - totally untried at this level
Delph - a midfielder struggling for form
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I think Lichaj would be the best of the other candidates, although I think he could also replace Hutton at RB.
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McLeish has not tried Cuellar or Clark in place of Dunne or Collins yet at centre half, so I doubt he'd be tempted to play Herd, Lichaj, Clark, Stevens or Delph over Warnock or Hutton. I think the most radical he would be is Cuellar for Hutton at right back.
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any chance of getting K.Walker back ? :P
having played in both full back positions at a reasonable standard it is hard to defend Warnock or Hutton as they do not even do the "simple" things well, simple 10 yard passes go astray, headers lack direction and any power, Warnock can't tackle and Hutton is a red card in-waiting.
When defending the goals your best friend is the side-line on your side of the pitch.
UTV
The Doc
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Has Enda played for the reserves yet? Or has anyone heard how he's getting on in training?
As I said in the Everton post match thread I'd rather see Neil Warnock at left back than Stephen.
Yes he played for the reserves against Arsenal (I think) Had a good game by all accounts
The reserves are playing Wolves tonight so he might be in that.
Its been called off frozen pitch, due to be played 1pm tomorrow at Bodymore Heath
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Hutton has been poor from day one. I thought Warnock kept plugging away and doing his best on Saturday but he is totally out of form and he knows it. I think Herd and Lichaj have shown enough in the past to be given a chance in place of Hutton and Warnock but AM obviously wants the latter two to play themselves back into form in the first team. How much longer can he afford to give them though?
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Even at his best Warnock has a tendency to dive into challenges and give away stupid unnecessary free kicks, and his atttacking play isn't all that. At his worst, like recently, he's a total liability. Whilst a "natural replacement" would obviously be preferable, the way he's played the last two games, a geriatric Charlie Aitken, a one legged Wilf Bouma and even William McGregors's statue would have been more effective.
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A few mentioned Delph playing there on another thread which may be ok although isn't he going on loan? Any reports on Baker or Lowry at Millwall? Doubt they'd have any claim to the position ahead of Stevens though, especially if they played in the last Millwall game!
Pretty sure Lowry got sent off in that match, so maybe he's got 'Warnockitis' as well.
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Between Collins, Warnock and Hutton, we give away a shocking amount of silly free kicks around our area. The fact we haven't given away a whole shed load more penalties is down to luck too, particularly in Hutton's case. He could have had 3-4 reds this season already.
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Warnock has been poor this season I would give Stevens a go at left back he couldn't do much worse I know he needs to get up to speed with the premier league but you will only get up to speed with game time so I say give him a go.
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I think Warnock has been piss poor for most of the season. Yes he had a decent game down at Chelsea and at Stoke but that's about it. I don't rate the guy at all. Unfortunatley it's far too early to put Edna in, i think it may be next season before we see him.
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Warnock has been awful for pretty much the whole season
Got to disagree. Warnock was a reliable performer up until Xmas. He's had some mares recently and is suffering a crisis of confidence but the bloke never hides when things are going badly. In an ideal world we'd bring in a proven deputy from the squad but we simply don't have another proven left back. Stevens is an inexperienced and unknown quantity.
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A few mentioned Delph playing there on another thread which may be ok although isn't he going on loan? Any reports on Baker or Lowry at Millwall? Doubt they'd have any claim to the position ahead of Stevens though, especially if they played in the last Millwall game!
Blimey Delph at left back and Hutton on the right. No chance of we will get into Europe via the Fair Play rule. ;-)
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The more this season goes on the more I think Gerrard knew what he was doing!
He did.
We are now in the same position we were in 12 months ago, Shit defence and poor midfield.
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Warnock has been awful for pretty much the whole season
Got to disagree. Warnock was a reliable performer up until Xmas. He's had some mares recently and is suffering a crisis of confidence but the bloke never hides when things are going badly.
I can't agree with that, every time he fucks up he pretends he's injured.
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Warnock has been awful for pretty much the whole season
Got to disagree. Warnock was a reliable performer up until Xmas. He's had some mares recently and is suffering a crisis of confidence but the bloke never hides when things are going badly.
I can't agree with that, every time he fucks up he pretends he's injured.
So true Luke. He does something inexplicably shit then feigns injury for 5 minutes for sympathy. He is a liability, and has been all season without exaggeration. There has been 2-3 respectable games, but the rest of the time he has been totally inept, and if McLeish cannot find a loan left back or playing someone else there he is even more bobbins at this management game than I feared. Houllier and GMac identified all the weaknesses and wanted them out the club. This guy embraces them and claims they are playing magnificently. Something about leading the blind...