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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: Legion on January 06, 2012, 08:23:13 PM
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Available Saturday night.
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Job done. Might not have always been pretty but in the FA Cup all that matter is being in the velvet bag for the next round.
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Job done, hope we get a decent draw next round.
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Take it and move on but didn't fill me with any confidence at all.
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Job done in the end, much better once Heskey was off as we tried to pass. All three goals were very nice. Pretty angry at Dunne's lack of professionalism and laziness for their goal.
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We won. That's all I ask for. It's our year!
However, the less said about our ball retention and Stephen Warnock the better.
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Job done. Webb was having a larrrrf giving them that pen.
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I wonder who we will be away to in round 4?
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Dunne Warnock Collins, we will do nothing until these guys are replaced
All 3 goals courtesy of our Youth Set Up
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Job done - even allowing for half the defence switching off in stoppage time.
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Nice easy home tie would be nice.
And a couple of new defenders too.
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solid.
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Anybody seen Paulie? Hope he's okay.
We're through to the next round which is all that matters. Very similar to the Reading cup game. We were poor but did enough to get through.
MOTM: Ireland
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Take it and move on but didn't fill me with any confidence at all.
nothing to do with building confidence playing a 4th division team. This could have been tricky. We are in the next round.
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Warnock is just woeful - even in a game against lesser opposition his passing and crossing is dreadful.
Time to get rid.
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One hurdle cleared. A clean sheet would have been nice.
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3 away wins on the bounce
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Nice easy draw away might be better, three wins and a draw in our last four away games.
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Thought Howard Webb did his best to f**k us up again. Blokes an eternal tosser.
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Brad Jr: 7 Didn't have much to do, stopped the penalty well.
Hutton: 7 Absolutely fine, one of his better games. Probably due to the level of the opposition
Dunne: 4 Annoys me intensely. Is a 1 good game in 3 today. Complete lack of awareness for their goal
Collins: 6 Hoof hoof hoof. But was fine defensively
Warnock: 4.5 Not very good, apart from a good cross which Albrighton should have converted
Albrighton: 7.5 Great first half, quieter second
Ireland: 7 I'm warming to him
Petrov: 7.5 Good performance
Clark: 7 Great goal, passing was poor in the first half for me
Heskey: 3.5 He tried hard
Bent: 3 Did nothing, but I appreciate if he got a chance he would have scored
Gabby: 7 Great goal
Bannan: 6 Didn't have time to do much
Gardner: 6 Didn't have time to do much either and looked a bit nervous (understandably)
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Job well done,just like Villa to try and balls it up towards the end. They were really shit though,but you can only beat who's in front of you and all that.....
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3 away wins on the bounce
Arse! I forgot about the Stoke game.... 3 away wins and a draw.
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Until we scored thought it was going to be an upset. We're through to the next round. Result.
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Warnock's deterioration as a footballer is getting worse every minute he plays on the pitch.
Positives - Nice to see Gardner get some action,
Gabby getting a goal
Clark's finish
Ireland when he comes inside
Guzans penalty save
Negatives - We struggled to create anything for Bent against a really poor side
Heskey - when he plays, we hoof
Ireland - he looks good when he plays centrally - he's not a wide man
What the fuck was Dunne doing at the end?
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We won the game. Didn't play the well, and the pitch certainly didn't help. Playing Heskey makes us play a certain way. I don't dislike Heskey, but I'll be glad to see the back of him and Collins so that we can permanently evolve to hopefully a better style of play. Lovely goals though and that should be commended.
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I think we did ok considering.
Bent was our most ineffectual player.
Super Marc did well as did Gabby
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Warnock's deterioration as a footballer is getting worse every minute he plays on the pitch.
Positives - Nice to see Gardner get some action,
Gabby getting a goal
Clark's finish
Ireland when he comes inside
Guzans penalty save
Negatives - We struggled to create anything for Bent against a really poor side
Heskey - when he plays, we hoof
Ireland - he looks good when he plays centrally - he's not a wide man
What the fuck was Dunne doing at the end?
Agree entirely with that.
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How was that "deliberate handball" by Warnock ??
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Result: Great
Performance: Decent.
Pitch: Western Front, 1918.
Ref: Slaphead.
Opposition: Cloggers.
Clark: Awesome.
Albrighton: Improved.
Gabby: Dependable.
Heskey: Carthorse.
Dunne: Dozy.
Warnock: Shit.
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Our youngsters are more comfortable on the ball and more imaginative, and also less likely to hoof. And they have better movement. And more enthusiasm and energy. The likes of Collins should be phased out and the likes of Heskey should be slung out.
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Take it and move on but didn't fill me with any confidence at all.
nothing to do with building confidence playing a 4th division team. This could have been tricky. We are in the next round.
Totally agree, lower league teams, away from home, are always a tough nut to crack, especially on a pitch like that.
To be honest I thought we controlled the game and never looked in trouble, even when Webb tried to give them help.
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We won the game. Didn't play the well, and the pitch certainly didn't help. Playing Heskey makes us play a certain way. I don't dislike Heskey, but I'll be glad to see the back of him and Collins so that we can permanently evolve to hopefully a better style of play. Lovely goals though and that should be commended.
It's no coincedence that we play better when he's not there,not all his fault,but without him the defenders don't seem to launch it up field so much.
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I agree with all of the above. Clark the biggest plus for me. Very composed young man. if he can beef up and toughen up, he could be a top quality centre back, but better in centre midfield for me at the moment.
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Much better second half. Personally, would have wanted to see N'Z come on when Heskey went off, but no matter.
MOTM for me was Clark - he does the simple things well and his goal from CB was pure class.
Other highlights:
- GG looked composed and assured - he is Petrov's replacement and he will eclipse him within a couple of seasons.
- But Petrov really is currently the team's heartbeat.
- Albie is looking better with every game - confidence re-found and a greater maturity to his game.
- I really liked seeing Guzan in decisive mode: his movement off the line was great.
- Hutton, not faced by much threat, played well.
What can be said about Warnock?! - I raved about him after the Chelsea game but since then he has been shocking. I seriously think AmcL should be looking to Stevens and Delph as short-term replacements for him.
Collins and Heskey go off - the hoofing stops. Hmmm: spot the connection.
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With a mind set to pass back all the time thats what you will get from our defence, Manchester next round ?
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3 away wins on the bounce
Arse! I forgot about the Stoke game.... 3 away wins and a draw.
Unbeaten away from home for nearly 2 months. Only 2 defeats in 11 away games this season so far.
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keegan: hold on, clark could maybe play in midfield.
erm, do you mean where he played today kevin?
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Nice easy home tie would be nice.
And a couple of new defenders too.
Name a team still in who would be a "nice easy" opponent?
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3 away wins on the bounce
Arse! I forgot about the Stoke game.... 3 away wins and a draw.
Unbeaten away from home for nearly 2 months. Only 2 defeats in 11 away games this season so far.
Which makes it all the more frustrating that our home form has been so dire.
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3 away wins on the bounce
Arse! I forgot about the Stoke game.... 3 away wins and a draw.
Unbeaten away from home for nearly 2 months. Only 2 defeats in 11 away games this season so far.
anybody away from home in the next round then please.
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Warnock's deterioration as a footballer is getting worse every minute he plays on the pitch.
Positives - Nice to see Gardner get some action,
Gabby getting a goal
Clark's finish
Ireland when he comes inside
Guzans penalty save
Negatives - We struggled to create anything for Bent against a really poor side
Heskey - when he plays, we hoof
Ireland - he looks good when he plays centrally - he's not a wide man
What the fuck was Dunne doing at the end?
If you replace Heskey with Collins, I'll agree.
I think it took me 80 minutes to realise Bent was playing!
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i dont think the atmosphere at home has helped, it's been terribly low key for the most part. our away fans are brilliant.
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When is the draw for the 4th round being made?
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Was Kevin keegan watching the game? Did he do any sort of research? He just said Gabby was 22 and that Villa fans were confused as to why he hasn't been in the team! Then he said that after his goal Mcleish might think about playing Clark in midfield. He gets paid to talk this rubbish, unbelievable.
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Was Kevin keegan watching the game? Did he do any sort of research? He just said Gabby was 22 and that Villa fans were confused as to why he hasn't been in the team! Then he said that after his goal Mcleish might think about playing Clark in midfield. He gets paid to talk this rubbish, unbelievable.
I see Keegan's been sniffing petrol again
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Was Kevin keegan watching the game? Did he do any sort of research? He just said Gabby was 22 and that Villa fans were confused as to why he hasn't been in the team! Then he said that after his goal Mcleish might think about playing Clark in midfield. He gets paid to talk this rubbish, unbelievable.
I know.... I couldn't believe it.
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3 away wins on the bounce
Arse! I forgot about the Stoke game.... 3 away wins and a draw.
Unbeaten away from home for nearly 2 months. Only 2 defeats in 11 away games this season so far.
Which makes it all the more frustrating that our home form has been so dire.
Its because the home support turns too easily and rarely get behind the team!
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When is the draw for the 4th round being made?
2moro after the Sunderland game
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Cheers.
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I heard an interesting comment on the radio that all 11 players played for each other today. Did leaving N'Z out have an impact on this? From what I saw last Monday it was a great call by The Manager
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Please ensure Warnock never starts a game for us again.
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Was Kevin keegan watching the game? Did he do any sort of research? He just said Gabby was 22 and that Villa fans were confused as to why he hasn't been in the team! Then he said that after his goal Mcleish might think about playing Clark in midfield. He gets paid to talk this rubbish, unbelievable.
I see Keegan's been sniffing petrol again
I think all the products he use to put on his perm in the 70s has finally effected his brain.
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3 away wins on the bounce
Arse! I forgot about the Stoke game.... 3 away wins and a draw.
Unbeaten away from home for nearly 2 months. Only 2 defeats in 11 away games this season so far.
Which makes it all the more frustrating that our home form has been so dire.
Its because the home support turns too easily and rarely get behind the team!
I think the Arsenal games showed that if the effort is there and the style of play isn't predictable the supporters will get behind the team. I take your point though that it doesn't help that there is less patience at home and people get edgy faster.
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When is the draw for the 4th round being made?
Tomorrow, live on ITV1, after the Peterborough v Sunderland game, probably at about 5:20ish.
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Was Kevin keegan watching the game? Did he do any sort of research? He just said Gabby was 22 and that Villa fans were confused as to why he hasn't been in the team! Then he said that after his goal Mcleish might think about playing Clark in midfield. He gets paid to talk this rubbish, unbelievable.
Ahaa Hello...it's Kevin Keegan remember!
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Please ensure Warnock never starts a game for us again.
I'd rather see Delph given a go as its probably too early for Stevens.
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Please ensure Warnock never starts a game for us again.
I'd rather see Delph given a go as its probably too early for Stevens.
Lichaj is back in training and he played for the US in the Gold Cup last summer. Played very well too. I'd like to see him given a chance.
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Isn't Lichaj a right-back?
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Just heard AM, his comments about Heskey and Collins he is watching a different team
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Please ensure Warnock never starts a game for us again.
I'd rather see Delph given a go as its probably too early for Stevens.
Lichaj is back in training and he played for the US in the Gold Cup last summer. Played very well too. I'd like to see him given a chance.
Good shout, he'll be well capable.
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Please ensure Warnock never starts a game for us again.
That's all very well but who is our alternative left back? Clark is settling well into his midfield role and throwing Stevens into the first team so quickly will be a massive gamble.
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Isn't Lichaj a right-back?
Technically yes, but he can play on the left. Like I said, I was surprised to see him play LB for the US and even more surprised to see how well he played there.
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Isn't Lichaj a right-back?
Yes but not in the same way as Reo-Coker or Gardner
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Entire back four isn't good enough. Guzan deserves to keep the shirt. Great to see so many academy players involved and making such big impacts.
All three goal scorers are made by Villa. Two of them Villa fans. Great stuff.
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Please ensure Warnock never starts a game for us again.
I'd rather see Delph given a go as its probably too early for Stevens.
Lichaj is back in training and he played for the US in the Gold Cup last summer. Played very well too. I'd like to see him given a chance.
Good shout, he'll be well capable.
This for me too, if he can play on the left.
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Entire back four isn't good enough. Guzan deserves to keep the shirt. Great to see so many academy players involved and making such big impacts.
All three goal scorers are made by Villa. Two of them Villa fans. Great stuff.
Isn't GG a villa fan too??
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Well we won, which is all that matters in a game like that. Ireland and Albrighton did well, Warnock's slide continues at an astonishing rate. He really is a train wreck at the moment.
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To early for Stevens. But Warnock has got to be replaced. He is a major catastrophe. He killed our confidence against Swansea and give away a penalty today. Even Hutton is less risky !!!
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Please ensure Warnock never starts a game for us again.
That's all very well but who is our alternative left back? Clark is settling well into his midfield role and throwing Stevens into the first team so quickly will be a massive gamble.
Surely Heskey could fill in?
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The entire back 4 needs replacing
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It's our year! Definitely.
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The entire back 4 needs replacing
That was pretty much Houllier's plan.
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The entire back 4 needs replacing
I am just appalled that Collins despite the hoofing, is a cert to start every week, and Warnock needs replacing so badly that I would say Wayne Bridge is a better player!
There MUST be a decent championship left back.
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The entire back 4 needs replacing
I'd agree largely, with the exception that we could keep Dunne and get something out of him, but Warnock, Collins and Hutton are very frightening indeed at times.
Warnock plays like he's got an increasing substance abuse problem or something. He just seems to get worse and worse.
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The entire back 4 needs replacing
The question is though; How many of the replacements are already here?
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I think I was a bit more impressed than most people on here appear to be.
The midfield looked good. They all played well, especially Clark. The pitch was atrocious so I think we did well to control the game as we did.
The defence clearly need some work but we are starting to have some options going forward with players getting to something like the top of their game.
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Dunne, Cuellar, Clark and Herd would do nicely.
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We did what was needed in the end. But I was fucked off with Dunnes reaction fter the goal. He should be pissed off that we never kept a clean sheet and his mistake led to the goal but he treated it as if he had knocked it out for a throw in by mistake. That attitude is atrocious in top level footballers and seems to be why our defense does make these mistakes.
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Great finishes for the goals.
Hints that we actually want to play good football.
Loving our academy.
Bent continues to look like some bloke who's won a competition to play.
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Bent linked play fine a few times in the second half, got down the wing and put the ball in etc, but he is never going to be like Gabby. I think the stick he gets is harsh, but we have to be more savy to how he moves off a defender. The only player I have seen pick out his runs is Bannan this season.
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If only getting back home from a Villa game was this quick every week
I haven't yet looked at the goals but Clarke's was reminiscent of the one I described Swindon scoring against Rovers just before Xmas; a player picking the ball up deep and running right thro' the middle of the defence.
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Marc was excellent in the first half but drifted out of the game later on.
All the midfielders and attackers looked OK but even against a woeful League 2 outfit, the defence looked poor. Warnock will lose his place to Stevens very soon if he continues like that.
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To early for Stevens. But Warnock has got to be replaced. He is a major catastrophe. He killed our confidence against Swansea and give away a penalty today. Even Hutton is less risky !!!
Although he was atrocious for most of the match, the penalty incident was one of those where the ref either says ball to hand, or gives one. There wasn't much he could actually do as he could not move the hand. But i doubt they would have been pushing like they did if Dunne hadn't gifted them abit of a lifeline.
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Who was selling H&V outside the away end today ?
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The penalty given against Warnock was very harsh, but my word he is terrible. I know we're not supposed to be buying anyone in January but a replacement left back wouldn't go amiss, every time the camera did a close up on Warnock he had the haunted look of failure in his eyes.
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Who was selling H&V outside the away end today ?
Steve Whitehouse.
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I think Warnock has done well this season for the most part, but he's always got a mistake in him and has been appalling in the last 2 games. We have seen this before and when it happened last time his form got so bad he didn't look a premier league player. At all.
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Thanks for the win lads. Cheered up a trying weekend.
Good to hear the young bloods doing well but a little concerned that the Fonz was ousted by Heskey as he could have done with a boost (injured?)
Mr Petrov was very good first half.
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Thought we bossed it as you'd expect but on a terrible pitch and what could have been an intimidating atmosphere we did well. Would have liked to see Bent score, didn't really have much of a sniff until near the end when Gabby played him in but his first touch was poor.
Three excellent goals particularly Clacker's. Did our best to fuck things at the death. 3-2 would have been unjust considering how comfortable we'd been up to then but it also would have served us right for cocking things up.
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How on earth did slap head give a penalty for a shot that was going 20 yards wide.
He really has turned into a piss poor ref.
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i dont think the atmosphere at home has helped, it's been terribly low key for the most part. our away fans are brilliant.
Spot on Matt.
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How on earth did slap head give a penalty for a shot that was going 20 yards wide.
He really has turned into a piss poor ref.
The worse thing was that Warnock was only a couple of yards from the shot and was sliding in,so he couldnt really get his arm out of the way in time.
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Boring game due to the awful pitch, but good performance of our academy. And fantastic assist by Richard Dunne, it's a scandal that such a gifted player earns only 65.000 a week!
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At least we know Guzan is still the penalty king.
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Boring game due to the awful pitch, but good performance of our academy. And fantastic assist by Richard Dunne, it's a scandal that such a gifted player earns only 65.000 a week!
There are plenty worse than Richard Dunne. If you are going to mention their wages Archie, no footballers deserve what they get.
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Dunne gets this weeks award as "Clown Of The Week" for that blind back pass. Did he learn nothing from Warnock last week.
I thought Hutton did pretty well today (Can't sat that too often).
Gabby showed great strength and finesse with his goal, I'm pretty sure Emile wouldn't have managed it.
....STOP THE PRESS...I've managed to find a positive from Emile starting today...That's 45 minutes less that Gabby had to play today and should be that bit fresher for next weekend and it didn't cost us the game.
Job done indeed, well done little Brad for the penalty save too.
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what channel will show all goals on TV tonight? Maybe i could find an online stream?
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Clark was outstanding today: he does the simple things well and his goal from CB was pure class.
Petrov really is currently the team's heartbeat. And it was good to see Albie looking better with every game; he seems to have regained his confidence and has a greater maturity to his game. Also, I really liked seeing Guzan in decisive mode: his movement off the line was great. Even the much-maligned Hutton played well although he did not face much threat from BR down his wing.
What can be said about Warnock?! - he did well at Chelsea but since then he has been shocking. I seriously think AMcL should be looking to Stevens and Delph as short-term replacements for him.
Collins and Heskey go off - the hoofing stops. Hmmm: spot the connection.
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what channel will show all goals on TV tonight? Maybe i could find an online stream?
http://www.101greatgoals.com/gvideos/bristol-rovers-1-aston-villa-3/
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Tnx :) but i was thinking about the whole round (Hatem Ben Arfa goal also..i need to see "the worlds greatest goal")
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It was interesting that Mcleish said Clark has a touch of class and 'fills in well at left back and centre back', so he clearly sees him as a midfielder.
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Well we won, which is all that matters in a game like that. Ireland and Albrighton did well, Warnock's slide continues at an astonishing rate. He really is a train wreck at the moment.
Do you think he has a sauce problem? Because I cannot explain his demise any other way.
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Tnx :) but i was thinking about the whole round (Hatem Ben Arfa goal also..i need to see "the worlds greatest goal")
I'd say have a look around that site, they usually have most of the weekends goals.
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Bent linked play fine a few times in the second half, got down the wing and put the ball in etc, but he is never going to be like Gabby. I think the stick he gets is harsh, but we have to be more savy to how he moves off a defender. The only player I have seen pick out his runs is Bannan this season.
There was a moment in the second half where there was the opportunity for a bit of a break. Albrighton I think had the ball but was a bit isolated. You could see Bent sprinting towards the six yard box, whereas Albrighton needed a player to show for a simple one-two to release him.
It was typical Bent, his first instinct is to get into the danger area, whereas I'd guess Heskey and Gabby would have shown/dropped deep for the pass.
It's not a criticism as Bent is a natural predator but he does make it difficult for the other players to keep possession.
I'm not sure it's a conundrum we will ever solve. Hopefully Ireland and Bent can get on the same wave length as Ireland seems to have rediscovered the knack of finding space between the midfield and the attack.
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Emile Heskey injured again, for gods sake fuck off. Clarke continues to show he could be a very good player.
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Well we won, which is all that matters in a game like that. Ireland and Albrighton did well, Warnock's slide continues at an astonishing rate. He really is a train wreck at the moment.
Do you think he has a sauce problem? Because I cannot explain his demise any other way.
I thought we did well, poor pitch, tricky match. We are through! Just don't play Heskey.
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Must say that the goals were cool finishes. Gabby showed such cool composure, thinking that he hasn't scored for a while. He is 10 times more valuable than Bent.
But i LOVED the Clark goal.
Love anything good that is from the academy...
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Gabby, Ciaran, Marc and Gardner were all celebrating together after Ciaran's goal. Any idea if there's a photo of it uploaded yet?
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Bent linked play fine a few times in the second half, got down the wing and put the ball in etc, but he is never going to be like Gabby. I think the stick he gets is harsh, but we have to be more savy to how he moves off a defender. The only player I have seen pick out his runs is Bannan this season.
There was a moment in the second half where there was the opportunity for a bit of a break. Albrighton I think had the ball but was a bit isolated. You could see Bent sprinting towards the six yard box, whereas Albrighton needed a player to show for a simple one-two to release him.
It was typical Bent, his first instinct is to get into the danger area, whereas I'd guess Heskey and Gabby would have shown/dropped deep for the pass.
It's not a criticism as Bent is a natural predator but he does make it difficult for the other players to keep possession.
I'm not sure it's a conundrum we will ever solve. Hopefully Ireland and Bent can get on the same wave length as Ireland seems to have rediscovered the knack of finding space between the midfield and the attack.
Bent is supposed to go there, in the second half he went wide and whipped in a half decent cross, the only problem was that nobody had gone into the position Bent would have been in had someone else whipped in the cross. If other players were seeing Bent go wide and then filling in for him, then I think it may be fair to suggest at times he should come deeper, but they don't, it is as you say a bit of a conundrum.
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Decent performance, pretty much controlled the game. I don't mind Collins or Dunne hoofing it when they need to, there again I've never been a fan of pretty boy centre halves. On the other hand, I was bloody furious with Dunne gifting them that goal, a clean sheet would have done the team good but yet again we switch off and do something idiotic.
When we actually get the ball down and don't treat it like a hot potato we play some good stuff, Gabby's goal came after some good play and then there's Clark's goal, which was absolutely superb.
Good to see three guys we've brought through the ranks doing the business.
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Tnx :) but i was thinking about the whole round (Hatem Ben Arfa goal also..i need to see "the worlds greatest goal")
ITV have got the highlights of all today's games at 11.30
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Tnx :) but i was thinking about the whole round (Hatem Ben Arfa goal also..i need to see "the worlds greatest goal")
ITV have got the highlights of all today's games at 11.30
Which is absurdly late, this is another reason why ITV shouldn't be allowed to get their hands on football.
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Listed as 23:30 in the papers. Listed as 22:45 after the news on my on screen TV guide.
The bloke reading the news said it would be on at 23:30.
It's just started.
I blame Damon Green.
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Tnx :) but i was thinking about the whole round (Hatem Ben Arfa goal also..i need to see "the worlds greatest goal")
ITV have got the highlights of all today's games at 11.30
Which is absurdly late, this is another reason why ITV shouldn't be allowed to get their hands on football.
Absolutely - programme doesn't finish til 1.00 a.m. - yet tomorrow they show the highlights at 10.45, with only 4 games being played, 2 of which are live on ITV earlier in the day anyway. Amateurs
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Listed as 23:30 in the papers. Listed as 22:45 after the news on my on screen TV guide.
The bloke reading the news said it would be on at 23:30.
It's just started.
I blame Damon Green.
Good job you said that - I've just turned it on. I'd have missed it otherwise - yet more reasons why ITV shouldn't have it
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Good result on a tricky pitch..
Positives - Brad Guzan - New Aston Villa number 1
The Villa kids - getting better every game
Marc Albrighton - seems to get better every game
Negatives - Bent and Warnock - What is going on?! Two good players who all of sudden don't look good enough for the Midland Combination League - Absolutely shocking displays!
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Listed as 23:30 in the papers. Listed as 22:45 after the news on my on screen TV guide.
The bloke reading the news said it would be on at 23:30.
It's just started.
I blame Damon Green.
Good job you said that - I've just turned it on. I'd have missed it otherwise - yet more reasons why ITV shouldn't have it
Indeed, I thought it was 11.30, next up Liverpool, why on earth are they showing this so early in the show?
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Listed as 23:30 in the papers. Listed as 22:45 after the news on my on screen TV guide.
The bloke reading the news said it would be on at 23:30.
It's just started.
I blame Damon Green.
Good job you said that - I've just turned it on. I'd have missed it otherwise - yet more reasons why ITV shouldn't have it
Indeed, I thought it was 11.30, next up Liverpool, why on earth are they showing this so early in the show?
Breathtaking. But we shouldn't be surprised.
ITV, shitter than Warnock.
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Today highlighted 3 things for me,
First Ireland is not a winger, a tottally different animal when playing centrally.
Second Bent should be dropped for our next game and we should play the team that beat Chelsea.
Third Guzan should keep his place. He is an example of what can happen when given a real chance. Fonz, Weimann and Lichaj all need that chance now, whether that's here or out on loan where they will actually play.
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Well we won, which is all that matters in a game like that. Ireland and Albrighton did well, Warnock's slide continues at an astonishing rate. He really is a train wreck at the moment.
Do you think he has a sauce problem? Because I cannot explain his demise any other way.
I thought we did well, poor pitch, tricky match. We are through! Just don't play Heskey.
Warnock simply not good enough. His "shot" should have just been hit hard and low into the danger area.
Heskey - he surely has it written into his contract that he must play whether fit or not. He's carrying an injury yet AM keeps playing him. And he's shit!
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I'm surprised to see people saying Guzan should keep his place.
He's done well, but have people forgotten how many points Given saved us earlier this season? Guzan is a decent keeper. Given is one of the best in the top flight.
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Yep, Guzan has shown himself as a good number 2. Given is definitely our best.
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Guzan's done extremely well... Swansea clearance aside. The longer Shea's out the more he'll grow.
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Great finishes from the babbies, when Albrighton was put through for his goal Bents movement in the box was immense, granted Marc put it in but nobody else in our team has that movement, the goals will come for him.
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Shay isn't out for much longer and he is our best goalkeeper.
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Just seen very brief highlights on SHITV. In Warnock's defence he hasn't got a chance with the pen - hits his elbow at pretty much point blank range.
Still needs to be replaced - soon please!
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Shay isn't out for much longer and he is our best goalkeeper.
I agree... he's great. Thankfully Guzan is up to stepping in though.
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Oh it wasn't a pen, I wouldn't blame Warnock for that. It was the rest of his display that was horrible, he did look drunk.
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The pen was very harsh, so I won't hold it against him.
However, Warnock was fucking terrible yet again today.
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Warnock was predictably dreadful. God knows what's up with him. Whatever's going on, he's turned into a bloody liability.
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Second Bent should be dropped for our next game and we should play the team that beat Chelsea.
I disagree 100%
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Second Bent should be dropped for our next game and we should play the team that beat Chelsea.
I disagree 100%
How can you disagree 100%? That would mean that we shouldn't play any of the team that beat Chelsea? Better get the reserves warmed up then
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I was a bit pissed of with the ITV highlights (no surprise). I was looking forward to seeing GG's strike at goal as it was a very good attempt from distance and the best save the Bristol keeper made.
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The ITV highlights were as brief as a Britney Spears marriage.
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I'm surprised to see people saying Guzan should keep his place.
He's done well, but have people forgotten how many points Given saved us earlier this season? Guzan is a decent keeper. Given is one of the best in the top flight.
His first couple of games were better than expected, and he has gone up in my estimation. He definitely is a competent number two, but there is no chance in hell he should keep Given out of the team. None.
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To be fair to ITV, they did have 27 fixtures to show highlights from today, crammed into a similar length that Match of the Day usually gets to show six or seven matches in. That doesn't excuse the amateurish summaries from the studio, the appalling picture quality from some of the games (Spurs v Cheltenham looked like it was filmed with 1970s equipment), or the pro-Man Utd stance from Ince and Strachan when anyone connected to Man Utd should be quaking in anticipation of their match tomorrow, be they a former player and cup winner with them to the scabbiest of armchair gloryhunter. ITV seriously need to get their act together to escape from the Conference of sports broadcasting, though.
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Second Bent should be dropped for our next game and we should play the team that beat Chelsea.
I disagree 100%
How can you disagree 100%? That would mean that we shouldn't play any of the team that beat Chelsea? Better get the reserves warmed up then
OK, I strongly disagree that Bent should be dropped.
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To be fair to ITV, they did have 27 fixtures to show highlights from today, crammed into a similar length that Match of the Day usually gets to show six or seven matches in. That doesn't excuse the amateurish summaries from the studio, the appalling picture quality from some of the games (Spurs v Cheltenham looked like it was filmed with 1970s equipment), or the pro-Man Utd stance from Ince and Strachan when anyone connected to Man Utd should be quaking in anticipation of their match tomorrow, be they a former player and cup winner with them to the scabbiest of armchair gloryhunter. ITV seriously need to get their act together to escape from the Conference of sports broadcasting, though.
Plus the time taken up by adverts.
Apart from Star Soccer, ITV has always been a bit pants when it comes to football. I never knew anyone who watched the ITV FA Cup final coverage when I was a nipper and it was a choice between them and the Beeb.
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Job done. I felt we were always well in control .Minus points were Warnock and Dunne's customary error.Plus points,the three goals and the injuries to Heskey and Collins.
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Clark was outstanding today: he does the simple things well and his goal from CB was pure class.
Petrov really is currently the team's heartbeat. And it was good to see Albie looking better with every game; he seems to have regained his confidence and has a greater maturity to his game. Also, I really liked seeing Guzan in decisive mode: his movement off the line was great. Even the much-maligned Hutton played well although he did not face much threat from BR down his wing.
What can be said about Warnock?! - he did well at Chelsea but since then he has been shocking. I seriously think AMcL should be looking to Stevens and Delph as short-term replacements for him.
Collins and Heskey go off - the hoofing stops. Hmmm: spot the connection.
Which two didn't play against Chelsea?
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We played much better after the second goal, from which point we cruised it right up until the obligatory last-minute panic. We are good at beating very poor teams, yet when we come up against a bit of quality, we wobble. It was very encouraging to see the Academy lads do well, in fact it was the only really encouraging thing about this match. Warnock continues to be a liability - in fact the whole starting back-four could do with replacing.
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I'm glad that's one hurdle out of the way and like others have said Warnock has to be dropped.
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I wonder who we will be away to in round 4?
Bolton (if they win the replay) or Blackpool will do me!
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Potentially tricky tie negotiated with little fuss. Once we took the lead we kept the ball very well and so stopped them being able to build any momentum, just how a PL side should approach these games.
There was a little wobble at the end but thT shouldn't detract from the professionalism of the performance.
I thought Ireland was our best player.
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I'm surprised to see people saying Guzan should keep his place.
He's done well, but have people forgotten how many points Given saved us earlier this season? Guzan is a decent keeper. Given is one of the best in the top flight.
Couldn't agree more. Guzan is a very good and reliable second kepper, Given is a top class.
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Boring game due to the awful pitch, but good performance of our academy. And fantastic assist by Richard Dunne, it's a scandal that such a gifted player earns only 65.000 a week!
There are plenty worse than Richard Dunne. If you are going to mention their wages Archie, no footballers deserve what they get.
You're surely right Dave, but it's difficult to find a player more over paid than him. I think that he got the wrong sport, he should choose a sport that is not played with feet. . .
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Guzan has done well.
After doing well for us initially when he came into the team he didn't quite look up to scratch in the League Cup semis v Blackburn.
The downside of is good performances this time around is that he may not be content with going back to the bench when Shay is fit and may want a move away.
Hopefully not because we need a dependable 2nd choice keeper as Shay has had injury problems over the last few years.
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Professional performance and as others have said - bar the moments of complacency at the end - we dictated the play pretty much throughout. Ireland, Albrighton & Clark very encouraging.
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Job done at the end of the day, we were fully in control. I was suprised that Bristol did'nt give us more of a game. I thought it was a mistake from the off to start with Heskey, him or Bent did'nt trouble there back line at all, it needed pace and Gabby should have started.
Warnock looks shot of confidence, he was dreadful again yesterday. It's too early for Edna so i'd consider playing Delph there, he can't be any worse.
It was nice to be on terracing again, even if it did feel like there was too many in there.
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What a plus Stephen Ireland is...we should all be full of humble pie!
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We are very much a confidence team and Mcleish has got to recognise that Warnock has become a liability. He is like a bull in a china shop. Either get Delph back there or Lichaj to replace him before he drains the team of all the progress what has been made. Clarky excellent along with Petrov, Ireland, Albrighton and a powerhouse perfomance from Gabby ..........
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Warnock is managing the not insignificant achievement of making Hutton look composed, intelligent and talented by comparison. Most coaches agree that it's important for defenders to stay on their feet if possible. Warnock dives into challenges like a runaway exocet. Barking.
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Job done at the end of the day, we were fully in control. I was suprised that Bristol did'nt give us more of a game. I thought it was a mistake from the off to start with Heskey, him or Bent did'nt trouble there back line at all, it needed pace and Gabby should have started.
Warnock looks shot of confidence, he was dreadful again yesterday. It's too early for Edna so i'd consider playing Delph there, he can't be any worse.
It was nice to be on terracing again, even if it did feel like there was too many in there.
What was it like Clampy - watching on ESPN Villa fans made no noise at all !! ?
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What a plus Stephen Ireland is...we should all be full of humble pie!
The improvement is most welcome, but humble pie? I don't think so. Just a case of him finally pulling his socks up.
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Job done at the end of the day, we were fully in control. I was suprised that Bristol did'nt give us more of a game. I thought it was a mistake from the off to start with Heskey, him or Bent did'nt trouble there back line at all, it needed pace and Gabby should have started.
Warnock looks shot of confidence, he was dreadful again yesterday. It's too early for Edna so i'd consider playing Delph there, he can't be any worse.
It was nice to be on terracing again, even if it did feel like there was too many in there.
What was it like Clampy - watching on ESPN Villa fans made no noise at all !! ?
No it was'nt the loudest that we've been but whether it was because we were all expecting a routine win, i don't know. We were right behind the away dug out and Eck did'nt get as much abuse as i thought he would, although god knows what would have happened had we lost.
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What a plus Stephen Ireland is...we should all be full of humble pie!
The improvement is most welcome, but humble pie? I don't think so. Just a case of him finally pulling his socks up.
I agree it was up to the player, but I suspect I am not on my own in thinking he would never be the player we thought we had got and I was wrong. He looks like he could be a real star, and altho we have wasted 18 months wages on him, we could be seeing payback time.
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Match highlights (http://www.101greatgoals.com/gvideos/bristol-rovers-1-aston-villa-3/)
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Really suprised so many people think Ireland was MotM. He did ok but didn't have any real cutting edge. Albrighton was the only difference between the teams in the first half and rightly got the vote on ESPN. I thought Clark was a bigger influence than Ireland as well.
In the role that Ireland is playing, for me, he has to create 1-2 chances a game, particularly against lower league opponents. I can't recall him actually creating anything yesterday so whilst he did play a tidy game and keep the ball moving he didn't do what he was there for.
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Yesterday only increased my dislike of standing terracing. Too many people crammed in to the Villa area, especially that one narrow sections that's normally used as stairs or for segregation.
Its no wonder that there was some animosity between some Villa fans and the stewards.
Add to that, there was the normal batch of dickheads with their stupid songs (even the "Tracy Andrews" ones had an outing yesterday).
Finally, I can't believe that all the "your brother's a c***" chants will make Gary Gardner feel like he wants to stay at Villa for the long haul.
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Warnock was dreadful.
Sloppy from Dunne after what was an easy day.
Still can't stand the sight of James Collins, I really don't like him.
Thought Ireland, Clark & Petrov were very good. Even though Ireland had spells out on the left.
Bent? Was he playing?
Three very good finishes, all calm & well placed.
Hutton has had a good couple of games, hopefully his form continues to improve.
I seriously would consider throwing Enda Stevens straight in, he surely can't be any worse than Warnock.
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We were in the seats in the tent. Nobody sat down. Decided to stand and watch from the side of the tea hut in the second half. I wish we could go to grounds like that every week.
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I wish we could go to grounds like that every week.
Careful what you wish for! With Eck in charge ......
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Yesterday only increased my dislike of standing terracing. Too many people crammed in to the Villa area, especially that one narrow sections that's normally used as stairs or for segregation
surprised at this. i was only commenting to my mate how much room there was. years ago there would have been loads more in that end. not that that would be a good thing.
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What a plus Stephen Ireland is...we should all be full of humble pie!
The improvement is most welcome, but humble pie? I don't think so. Just a case of him finally pulling his socks up.
I agree it was up to the player, but I suspect I am not on my own in thinking he would never be the player we thought we had got and I was wrong. He looks like he could be a real star, and altho we have wasted 18 months wages on him, we could be seeing payback time.
We were all hoping he would come good , I was worried but there is a good chance now and he looks happy .and nowhere near as bad as wasted 29 mth's wages on Beye
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Yesterday only increased my dislike of standing terracing. Too many people crammed in to the Villa area, especially that one narrow sections that's normally used as stairs or for segregation
surprised at this. i was only commenting to my mate how much room there was. years ago there would have been loads more in that end. not that that would be a good thing.
The away area at Rovers is made up of several smaller sections that can be opened/closed to allow for varying numbers of away fans. This means that their are various fences/barriers that create some very confined spaces. I guess that other areas weren't as cramped as the one I was in and certainly not as the narrow stairway section I described above.