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Title: Stoke City v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Legion on December 22, 2011, 11:58:44 AM
0-3 away win

Bent 12
Agbonlahor 50
N'Zogbia 58

Guzan
Warnock
Dunne
Collins
Cuellar
Albrighton
Petrov
Bannan
N'Zogbia
Agbonlahor
Bent
Title: Re: Stoke City v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Greg N'Ash on December 22, 2011, 12:06:59 PM
2-0 stoke as we revert to type. He seems to be picking teams to match the oppostion when we haven't got the squad to do it.  He should pick his best team and stick to it.
Title: Re: Stoke City v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Concrete John on December 22, 2011, 12:12:03 PM
If we play like last night, we'll beat them.  1-2 to Villa with CNZ finally on the scoresheet.
Title: Re: Stoke City v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on December 22, 2011, 01:12:40 PM
Play like we did last night Villa, please.
Title: Re: Stoke City v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: TimTheVillain on December 22, 2011, 01:14:47 PM
1-3 Villa

I think we'll play well and Benty will be back with a goal.
Title: Re: Stoke City v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: PaulTheVillan on December 22, 2011, 01:20:47 PM
2-1 win.

Guzan
Cuellar Clark Dunne Warnock
Albrighton Petrov Bannan NZogbia
Gabby Bent
Title: Re: Stoke City v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Newquay_AVFC on December 22, 2011, 01:46:07 PM
4-1 Villa Bent, Gabby, Petrov and Albrighton. Crouch for them.
Title: Re: Stoke City v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: garyshawsknee on December 22, 2011, 01:51:15 PM
Even though we played well last night,I worry about the amount of high balls they'll keep putting in our box,Guzan needs to be on top form. 2-1 them.
Title: Re: Stoke City v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: PaulTheVillan on December 22, 2011, 02:00:19 PM
Even though we played well last night,I worry about the amount of high balls they'll keep putting in our box,Guzan needs to be on top form. 2-1 them.
Cuellar in a RB might be useful for corners etc.
Title: Re: Stoke City v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: luke25 on December 22, 2011, 02:15:11 PM
If we play like last nite, keep the ball on the deck and attack them then 1-2 N'zogbia and Bent, gotta feeling we'll play right into there hands though and start hoofing it and come away with a 3-0 defeat.
Title: Re: Stoke City v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: TheSandman on December 22, 2011, 02:16:44 PM
Shift Cuellar to right back and bring Bent in for Ireland and play the same way as we did yesterday and we should win as long as we don't revert back to type with our set piece marking (or lack thereof).
Title: Re: Stoke City v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Pete3206 on December 22, 2011, 02:22:50 PM
0-0
Title: Re: Stoke City v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: levico on December 22, 2011, 03:51:03 PM
This is going to sound very pessimistic but blame years of supporting Villa for that. Either of two things will happen - either we will revert to type (as per Liverpool, Spurs etc) and therefore deservedly lose - or we'll play well again but still lose by a mixture of bad luck and very poor defending from a set piece. I don't see a happy end to the current spiral.
Title: Re: Stoke City v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Matt Collins on December 22, 2011, 06:11:48 PM
Difficult team selection for this one, partially dependent on whether Collins is fit. If he is, then presumably he comes in for Hutton with Cuellar moving across?

What do people think we should  do if Bent is fit? The easiest choice would be to bring him in for Ireland. That would mean reverting to the 442 that worked well up at Bolton, and would match up with Stoke. I imagine this is what he'd do.

But I'm pretty reluctant to make significant changes from the side that worked so well against Arsenal. The shape was spot on, and I've long felt that a proper 433 with the wingers pushed on has to be our best bet, provided we don't get sucked into playing 4-5-1.

If Collins is out, then presumably Clark moves back and we're looking at Delph coming into the midfield to hold? Or possibly Gardner? Can't see we'd play a midfield of Albrighton, Petrov, Bannan and CNZ. That's lightweight city!
Title: Re: Stoke City v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Hoppo on December 22, 2011, 06:19:03 PM
We need to think radical. After Jones went off for Man U last night they had Valencia at full back. Clark has to stay in midfield. Cuellar has to stay at centre half. Collins and Heskey have to stay out the team! Gary Gardner superb athlete who will run all day long plus over 6ft so he can help out with the aerial bombardment. We need a feel good factor and Clark, Herd, Bannan, Albrighton and Gardner can give us that.
Title: Re: Stoke City v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on December 22, 2011, 06:27:59 PM
Think we'll lose this 3-1. Our record up there is crap, Stoke have won 4 out of the last 5 and given how we're defending corners and high balls at the minute, I think we'll lose two goals from set pieces.
Title: Re: Stoke City v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: TonyD on December 22, 2011, 07:02:00 PM
Depends on AMs team selection.  It could be a great boxing day or forum wipeout.
Title: Re: Stoke City v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Matt Collins on December 22, 2011, 07:23:19 PM
We need to think radical. After Jones went off for Man U last night they had Valencia at full back. Clark has to stay in midfield. Cuellar has to stay at centre half. Collins and Heskey have to stay out the team! Gary Gardner superb athlete who will run all day long plus over 6ft so he can help out with the aerial bombardment. We need a feel good factor and Clark, Herd, Bannan, Albrighton and Gardner can give us that.

So who plays at right back? Gardner??!
Title: Re: Stoke City v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: The Man With A Stick on December 22, 2011, 07:26:52 PM
God, I really hope we smash this lot.
Title: Re: Stoke City v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: PONGO49 on December 22, 2011, 07:39:23 PM
I just hope that Bent has finished shopping.
Title: Re: Stoke City v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: supertom on December 22, 2011, 07:43:19 PM
To put it into perspective, if we lose this, we're 8 points behind Stoke. 8 POINTS...BEHIND...STOKE CITY!

Much as yesterday was a vast improvement on performance, I can unfortunately only see us losing this game. We still don't look like we'll score many at all, and we're poor at defending set pieces. As Soccer HQ says, I think Stoke will have a field day.

If we can avoid giving away too many throws and set pieces, we may well nick something, but with Delap and that young lad pelting throws, they can be a threat from 60 yards out+
It's a big ask not to give them much in our half. I don't think we're up to it. We have to try and keep the ball, and as we've seen for most of this season, it doesn't often work.

I also suspect that Bent will come back into the side and we'll go back to 4.4.2. We really can't play that with the midfielders we have, but I don't believe McLeish will see that.
Title: Re: Stoke City v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Matt Collins on December 22, 2011, 08:01:06 PM
I'd be really tempted to put Bent on the bench, but given recent controversies you could see that becoming a bit of a storm in a teacup. It would be very harsh to drop Albie or N'zog though, and play Gabby wide
Title: Re: Stoke City v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: KRS on December 22, 2011, 08:08:34 PM
Stoke had a few players out against Man City and were as equally pathetic as we have been against a number of the better teams. Obviously Stoke will be a different prospect at home against an average Villa team, but if we take confidence from last nights performance and Stoke are still a few players down then we could get a result. I'm hoping for at least a draw.
Title: Re: Stoke City v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Matt Collins on December 22, 2011, 08:32:59 PM
Stoke really aren't all that. But we're so bad at set pieces it's very hard to see us not conceding one or two down there. in theory, with Collins, Cuellar, Clark and Dunne we should at least be well placed.

We could start by conceding fewer corners
Title: Re: Stoke City v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on December 22, 2011, 08:47:25 PM
1-1. We'll deal with their aerial bombardment until the last couple of mins when Crouch pops up. Zog to score ours.
Title: Re: Stoke City v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: darren woolley on December 22, 2011, 08:49:44 PM
2-1 To Stoke Gabby scoring for us.
Title: Re: Stoke City v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Hoppo on December 22, 2011, 09:07:22 PM
Yes Gardner at right back. Good players can play anywhere. If Valencia can do it for United im sure Gazza can.
Title: Re: Stoke City v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Somniloquism on December 22, 2011, 09:21:01 PM
I think they will win even if we put out the same team and play as well as last night. Firstly,they seem to be our bogey team, and secondly, they are our bogey team.
Title: Re: Stoke City v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Matt Collins on December 22, 2011, 09:33:53 PM
Yes Gardner at right back. Good players can play anywhere. If Valencia can do it for United im sure Gazza can.

He's not even made his villa debut yet. Up against etherington away at stoke? No thanks!!
Title: Re: Stoke City v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: TaxDodger on December 22, 2011, 09:36:12 PM
1-1. Crouch 90. Bent 79.
Title: Re: Stoke City v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Somniloquism on December 22, 2011, 09:57:45 PM
1-1. Crouch 90+4. Bent 79.

Fixed
Title: Re: Stoke City v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: gervilla on December 22, 2011, 10:08:32 PM
2-0 stoke as we revert to type. He seems to be picking teams to match the oppostion when we haven't got the squad to do it.  He should pick his best team and stick to it.

MON used do that. Same 11 every week. Same subs, same time every game.
Cue much moaning and groaning when we won again but it wasn't pretty enough.
Another bloody 6th place finish.
Oh Santa baby, I'm sorry, please return me to those days.
Title: Re: Stoke City v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: VancouverLion on December 22, 2011, 10:38:01 PM
1-2 Crouch 11. N'Zogbia 36, Bent 68.

Just hope we don't resort to hoofing with Collins back in the center, hope Herd's fit and can slot in at right back. I know they'll be a threat with the aerial bombardment as per, but I just don't want to Collins back in, I enjoyed watching last nights game.

Up the Villa!!
Title: Re: Stoke City v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 22, 2011, 11:51:01 PM
McLeish has to resist the urge to throw Collins back into the fold to counter the obvious threat of Stoke at set pieces. Good teams that play good football can beat Stoke without having to out duel them at their game. I'd rather we went there trying to play the football we saw last night than try and out Stoke Stoke.
Title: Re: Stoke City v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: dave.woodhall on December 23, 2011, 12:15:12 AM
2-0 stoke as we revert to type. He seems to be picking teams to match the oppostion when we haven't got the squad to do it.  He should pick his best team and stick to it.

MON used do that. Same 11 every week. Same subs, same time every game.
Cue much moaning and groaning when we won again but it wasn't pretty enough.
Another bloody 6th place finish.
Oh Santa baby, I'm sorry, please return me to those days.

Give him £150 million and I'm sure he will.
Title: Re: Stoke City v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: The Left Side on December 23, 2011, 01:58:25 AM
2-1 to Stoke, they always squeak a win over us.
Title: Re: Stoke City v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Matt Collins on December 23, 2011, 09:25:08 AM
McLeish has to resist the urge to throw Collins back into the fold to counter the obvious threat of Stoke at set pieces. Good teams that play good football can beat Stoke without having to out duel them at their game. I'd rather we went there trying to play the football we saw last night than try and out Stoke Stoke.

I don't see how we have any real choice. Cuellar is the only option at right back and we don't have a real alternative to Clark as a defensive midfielder. I wouldn't want to play Delph and Petrov.
Title: Re: Stoke City v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: pedro25 on December 23, 2011, 10:15:25 AM
4 centre halves, 2 wingers, 2 strikers, say
Guzan
Cuellar Collins Dunne Warnock
Albrighton Bannan Clark N'Zogbia
Bent Gabby
Subs Marshall Stevens Gardner Petrov Delph Ireland Heskey

Gabby to drop wide and N'Zog push inside to help out at times.  Clark over Petrov for height, Bannan over Ireland as he wont tire soo quickly, bring Ireland on for last half hour.

2-1 Villa, Clark and Bent.
Title: Re: Stoke City v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on December 23, 2011, 10:30:51 AM
I cannot think of a more different style of opposition to face than Stoke after Arsenal.
Having said that I think we should set up with a similar formation, filling the midfield and two in form wide men to get the crosses into the box.
Did anybody else get the feeling on Wednesday, oh if only Bent had been on the end of that ? However, if he had played up front with Gabby then maybe we would not having been producing so many chances ?
I love Gabby, but I suggest he starts on the bench at Stoke if Bent is fit and we set up the formation as we did on Wednesday. 


Title: Re: Stoke City v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: CJ on December 23, 2011, 11:47:06 AM
Hate to say it but I'd bring Collins back in for this one, move Carlos to RB, and keep Clark in midfield to shore up our defences for 90 minutes of aerial bombardment. So I'd go:

                       Guzan

       Cuellar Collins Dunne Warnock

                    Petrov  Clark

       Albrighton    Gabby       N'zogbia

                              Bent

Still think we'll only get a draw - 2-2
Title: Re: Stoke City v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Dave Clark Five on December 23, 2011, 12:09:41 PM
http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10265~2556016,00.html (http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10265~2556016,00.html)

According to this it is Collins in at Centre Half and Cuellar at Full Back.
Suits me as I prefer to see Clark in midfield at the moment.
Title: Re: Stoke City v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Chris Jameson on December 23, 2011, 12:16:42 PM
3-0 Villa win. Heskey hat trick and answer his critics...blah...blah...blah...
Title: Re: Stoke City v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on December 23, 2011, 01:56:23 PM
Bloody hell Collins back.
Title: Re: Stoke City v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Matt Collins on December 23, 2011, 03:18:46 PM
Hate to say it but I'd bring Collins back in for this one, move Carlos to RB, and keep Clark in midfield to shore up our defences for 90 minutes of aerial bombardment. So I'd go:

                       Guzan

       Cuellar Collins Dunne Warnock

                    Petrov  Clark

       Albrighton    Gabby       N'zogbia

                              Bent

Still think we'll only get a draw - 2-2

I think that's the team I'd pick. The only real choice being whether Ireland or Bannan could replace Gabby or  Bent.

On balance I think I'd go with this one. We should still be able to get a good deal of possession even without 3 in the middle. We need lots of good movement from the front four though. And it's a toss up with Ireland in particular. And I'd pick Gabby over Bent for the lone front man role if  we did go that way.
Title: Re: Stoke City v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: LamBeast on December 23, 2011, 03:41:28 PM
This is as near to nirvana as McLeish can attain.Stoke,the bruising type of encounter that he understands and relishes.

We will win by the odd goal. ;D
Title: Re: Stoke City v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: not3bad on December 23, 2011, 04:12:56 PM
I must admit I'm worried it might be carnage when Stoke start launching those long throws into the Villa area, considering we aren't the best at defending corners.
Title: Re: Stoke City v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Karl Bridges on December 23, 2011, 04:17:17 PM
4 centre halves, 2 wingers, 2 strikers, say
Guzan
Cuellar Collins Dunne Warnock
Albrighton Bannan Clark N'Zogbia
Bent Gabby
Subs Marshall Stevens Gardner Petrov Delph Ireland Heskey

Gabby to drop wide and N'Zog push inside to help out at times.  Clark over Petrov for height, Bannan over Ireland as he wont tire soo quickly, bring Ireland on for last half hour.

2-1 Villa, Clark and Bent.

I can just imagine the announcement. Sorry Stilyian we're going for the bigger lad in the centre, it's purely down to defending set pieces. Yes we're playing Wee Bazza because, erm er.....
Title: Re: Stoke City v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: not3bad on December 23, 2011, 04:19:00 PM
2-0 stoke as we revert to type. He seems to be picking teams to match the oppostion when we haven't got the squad to do it.  He should pick his best team and stick to it.

MON used do that. Same 11 every week. Same subs, same time every game.
Cue much moaning and groaning when we won again but it wasn't pretty enough.

To be fair the moaning and groaning would only really start when we moved into March and Villa started to fall down the table because that same 11 he used week in week out were either knackered, out of form or injured (or a combination of the two/three).
Title: Re: Stoke City v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: LamBeast on December 23, 2011, 04:25:23 PM
Massive for McLeish this game,defining in his tenure,his total philosophy about football is encapsulated in this fixture,IMO.
Title: Re: Stoke City v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Lobsterboy on December 23, 2011, 08:58:15 PM
Cuellar in at RB, Collins back at CB and Bent in for Ireland.

Would hope to see us build on the midweek performance and think we will be at least good enough for a point

1-1 Bent for us, some lanky bastard for them
Title: Re: Stoke City v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Ads on December 23, 2011, 09:58:38 PM
Play like we did against Arsenal and Stoke won't see any of the ball to win their throw in and be a threat.
Title: Re: Stoke City v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Bad English on December 23, 2011, 11:24:08 PM
Massive for McLeish this game,defining in his tenure,his total philosophy about football is encapsulated in this fixture,IMO.
Or maybe it's just another game for him.
Title: Re: Stoke City v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Matt Collins on December 23, 2011, 11:33:02 PM
Although our form against the top 6 has been hopeless, we're actually much tougher to beat when playing everyone else. We're unbeaten, in fact, when playing with eleven men. I'm taking a fair bit of comfort from this.

They'll surely be going over time on defending set pieces. We'll have 4 centre halves on the pitch which surely should help. I think Guzan is a bit of a risk, based on previous experience, but his championship experience may help here.

While we have lost 2 of our 3 games at Stoke, both were with last minute winners in games we might well have won. So let's not be too pessimistic.  I fancy us to score - N'Zogbia I reckon. We might need 2 to win though, at least.

A draw would still be a decent result, but I do think it's winnable if we can nullify them at set pieces. That's a very big if though.
Title: Re: Stoke City v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Steve R on December 24, 2011, 12:46:45 AM
I see no reason to change formation, or to play a striker/wide player in midfield to accommodate Bent up front.

Let Stoke worry about us.

Collins in and Cuellar to RB is the best compromise following Hutton's suspension, but with strict instruction to look for Clark when he has the ball at his feet. I assume Ireland is injured, Bannan to carry on.

If Gabi is carrying any sort of knock I would rest him with Bent coming in. Otherwise (with Heskey on the bench as the possible replacement defender) :

Guzan
Cuellar Collins Dunne Warnock
Clark Petrov
Bannan
Albrighton Agbonlahor N'Zogbia

subs : Marshall,Heskey,Gardner,Delph,Delfouneso,Bent,Johnson
Title: Re: Stoke City v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: pooligan on December 24, 2011, 08:10:31 AM
Well seeing as we just cannot defend set pieces and Stoke thrive on them i can only see another defeat i am afraid. Will be amazed if Rodney Trotter fails to score.
Title: Re: Stoke City v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Jimbo on December 24, 2011, 10:42:28 AM
Another defeat, I'm afraid. Sticking it up Arsenal for the best part of a game is one thing. Everybody likes to have a go at them because they're perceived as being a bit lightweight. Stoke are at the other end of the spectrum physically, and as has been noted above, they love a set piece, which is our achilles heel. I feel they'll be relishing our visit.
Title: Re: Stoke City v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Nirog72 on December 24, 2011, 10:48:08 AM
I'm going Villa win 3-2 with Petrov netting the first one at outrageous odds.
Title: Re: Stoke City v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Barca 2011 on December 24, 2011, 11:41:59 AM
The Arsenal game made me a lot more optimistic for the rest of
the season, however this is Stoke we are playing, a completely
different set of problems coming our way.
They will chew us up and spit us out. 3-0 Stoke.
Title: Re: Stoke City v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Shrek on December 24, 2011, 11:43:17 AM
 -----------Guzan
Cuellar-Clark-Dunne-Warnock
-------Petrov-Delph
--N'Zogbia-Ireland-Gabby
------------Bent

Collins is shit. Bent will play so I'd rest Marc and keep Ireland who was superb against Arsenal. Gabby will have more space with Bent pulling defenders around and Delph is a good player, he just needs games.
Title: Re: Stoke City v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: olaftab on December 24, 2011, 07:42:23 PM
This is the time to be radical. Stick with Ireland. Go with

Guzan

Cuellar  Collins Dunne Delph

Albrighton Petrov Clark N'Zogbia

         Ireland
                          Bent

Leave Gabby on the bench as he was out of it against Arsenal as the play passed him by.
Title: Re: Stoke City v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Shrek on December 24, 2011, 11:36:58 PM
Gabby has to play, yes he didn't have his best game, but he is our best player.
Title: Re: Stoke City v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Matt Collins on December 25, 2011, 09:09:14 AM
I don't see how we can or should drop gabby, albrighton or n'zogbia though. I guess marc is the easiest to drop and nzogbia has been dropped before.

Based on recent performances it would have to be bent. But the easiest option of all is Ireland.

Difficult one
Title: Re: Stoke City v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Irish villain on December 25, 2011, 10:39:41 AM
Three points at Stoke would be a great result. As it stands, even a point wouldn't be too bad.

We should just go for it. Yes they are dogged and good at getting results, but there's no point in us going there with any fear. As against Arsenal, we should just play our game and not always be so worried about the opposition.
Title: Re: Stoke City v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: l_mckay on December 25, 2011, 11:39:34 AM
we really need something out of this game,if we can play like we did against the Arse then we can definatly get at least a point.
Title: Re: Stoke City v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: toplad4u on December 25, 2011, 12:49:25 PM
Bent should start on the bench and come on for gabby around the 70th. Best to easy him back then risk a further injury.
Title: Re: Stoke City v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Legion on December 25, 2011, 04:27:38 PM
From Auntie (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/16240578.stm)

Quote
Barclays Premier League
Venue: Britannia Stadium
Date: Monday, 26 December
Kick-off: 1945 GMT
Coverage: Watch live on Sky Sports 1 and highlights on Match of the Day; listen on BBC Radio 5 live and local radio; text commentary on BBC Sport website and mobiles

TEAM NEWS

Stoke are optimistic that Peter Crouch will return after he missed the defeat at Manchester City through illness.

Glenn Whelan (calf) is again doubtful but Ryan Shawcross is back from suspension.

Aston Villa striker Darren Bent is expected to return after a two-match absence with a thigh injury, while Emile Heskey (Achilles) and James Collins (knee) are also in contention.

Stephen Ireland should overcome a thigh strain but Alan Hutton serves a ban.

MATCH PREVIEW

Going to football on Boxing Day is, for me, one of the best days of the season. There seems to be a smile on everyone's face and a general air of optimism with the New Year approaching. This year the Match of the Day rota for 26 December has dealt me an even better hand - an evening kick-off at the Britannia - and not only because the late start means that I may get to enjoy a lie-in!

Stoke fans are great - the noise they make has in past seasons been rated as the loudest in the Premier League, with a measurement of 101.80 decibels -which apparently is the same as an aircraft taking off. Add in the fact that night matches always seem that bit more special and you have the recipe for a memorable evening.

It could be a special match for Peter Crouch. The striker will reach a landmark of 100 career league goals if he scores against one of his previous clubs, providing he is fit enough to play. Villa have failed to score in four of their last six games so will be desperate for Darren Bent to return to action.

We all know how effective Stoke can be from set-pieces and Alex McLeish has spoken of Villa's poor defending from them. You only have to look at both goals conceded against Liverpool last weekend and Arsenal's winner on Wednesday to see why he might be a little concerned.

Stoke start this match five points ahead of Villa. I'm a bit wary of making any prediction after confidently stating that goals might be at a premium for QPR v Sunderland last Wednesday (it finished 2-3!) - having said that, I wouldn't be too surprised if the gap was still five points at full-time.

MATCH FACTS

Head-to-head
• Aston Villa are yet to win in three previous Premier League matches at the Britannia Stadium (D1, L2). Blackburn, Sunderland, Liverpool and Manchester City are the four other clubs to have failed to win at Stoke since the Potters' promotion.
• Villa's last away victory in this fixture came in a 3-1 win at City's old Victoria Ground during the 1984/85 season, when Stoke were last relegated from the top flight.
• Stoke have lost both previous Boxing Day encounters between the clubs. Aston Villa won 6-0 in 1894 and 1-0 in 1980, both at Villa Park.

Stoke City
• Stoke occupy their best position at Christmas in 37 years since being seventh in the old Division One during the 1974-75 season.
• The Potters have maximum points against fellow Midlands clubs this term - beating both West Brom and Wolves away.
• Tony Pulis's men have conceded more goals (16) against sides in the bottom half of the table than they have against teams in the top half (12).
• Peter Crouch has scored 99 career league goals. He notched six goals in 37 Premier League appearances for Villa between 2002-04, and has scored three league goals against them since leaving.

Aston Villa
• Alex McLeish's side have taken just eight points from the last 30 available.
• Villa are without a Boxing Day win since 2005, when they beat Everton 4-0 at Villa Park. It's 12 years since their last away win on this date, a 2-0 victory at Derby in 1999.
• Villa have won just once (v Norwich) in eight games against top-half clubs so far this season.
Title: Re: Stoke City v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: TaxDodger on December 25, 2011, 06:01:05 PM
Draw written all over this.
Title: Re: Stoke City v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: VancouverLion on December 26, 2011, 03:34:24 AM
Heskey & Collins in contention.......DOH!
Title: Re: Stoke City v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Risso on December 26, 2011, 06:47:57 AM
Heskey & Collins in contention.......DOH!


Hopefully they mean here. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contention_City,_Arizona)
Title: Re: Stoke City v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: VancouverLion on December 26, 2011, 08:25:54 AM
We're not that lucky Risso! lol
Title: Re: Stoke City v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on December 26, 2011, 08:30:08 AM
Drop Gabby to the bench and bring in Bent.
4-5-1 with in form Albrighton and N`Zogbia wide.
Fill the midfield and maximise the chances of your two wide players getting service to put quality balls into the box. We spent £20million on a natural chance taker - feed him before he gets impatient and wants to leave.
Title: Re: Stoke City v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Shrek on December 26, 2011, 08:54:49 AM
Or leave the lazy, non contributing goal hanger on the bench and fill the team with players that want to play for Villa and not to boost their own PR.

Same 11 for me but with Delph in CM, Clark at CB and Cuellar at RB. Collins doesn't deserve a recall
Title: Re: Stoke City v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: rob_bridge on December 26, 2011, 09:38:43 AM
As others have said - does Oo Eck revert to type and pick big (in the physical sense) players Collins and Heskey or does he stick to the team (other than Hutton) who gave the best performance of the season? The former we will lose badly because Stoke have a better team and squad than us (GKs aside) and that is painful to admit. If we play football, because we are crap at hoof ball esepcially compared to Stoke, then we have a chance.
Title: Re: Stoke City v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: luke25 on December 26, 2011, 09:47:44 AM
"Sometimes teams get intimidated by Stoke but you have to get ugly back at them" unfortunately I think with that quote he's only going to play one way, I can't do links but its the last sentence at the end of the Daily Mail Bent non story.
Title: Re: Stoke City v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Chris Smith on December 26, 2011, 10:16:43 AM
If you don't match Stoke physically you will lose. They play to win corners, free kicks and throws and then pile all their big men into the box. If you can't deal with that then all the pretty football in the world isn't going to help. To think that you can just go thru and dictate how the game is played is naive in the extreme.

That's not to say we forget about playing our own gsme but we have to take into account the unique challenges thus game brings.
Title: Re: Stoke City v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: luke25 on December 26, 2011, 10:29:29 AM
If you don't match Stoke physically you will lose. They play to win corners, free kicks and throws and then pile all their big men into the box. If you can't deal with that then all the pretty football in the world isn't going to help. To think that you can just go thru and dictate how the game is played is naive in the extreme.

That's not to say we forget about playing our own gsme but we have to take into account the unique challenges thus game brings.
I'm not niave in any way when it comes to Stoke, I just hope that this ugly approach that he talks of is not us trying to match there tactics, play like we did against Arsenal when we have the ball and tighten up at the back when we don't and i'll be happy.
Title: Re: Stoke City v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Clampy on December 26, 2011, 10:31:34 AM
We gave away 15 corners against Arsenal. If we conceded anything like that many again tonight we'll struggle to keep them out.

I hope we don't go down the Heskey in midfield route again. We're better than that.
Title: Re: Stoke City v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: VillaSpen on December 26, 2011, 11:18:24 AM
I've got the another day off work and this is a game that I can actually get up at a normal hour to see live. That combination doesn't come along very often so I'm expecting one of the very worst spectacles of all time to bring me down early on and make me long for a return to work.

If we can show the desire that we found against Arsenal but somehow cope with some of the more direct stuff that Stoke can excel at, I'd be pretty confident. Not overly optimistic 90% of the time but something about that showing midweek reignited something inside me and I temporarily feel a little better. Also, there is no physical way the training could have focused on anything other than set-pieces and long balls. Is there?!

1-1 after a turgid affair.
Title: Re: Stoke City v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on December 26, 2011, 11:57:50 AM
I've just seen this on the BBC live football thing -

 'There are seven Premier League games in total today, culminating in a televised classic at the Britannia as Stoke host Aston Villa (1945). We have got to be talking Only Fools & Horses viewing figures for that one. North of 20m, surely?'

Sums up general media attitude to those outside the 'elite' clubs, nice and patronising.
Title: Re: Stoke City v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Irish villain on December 26, 2011, 12:06:44 PM
I've just seen this on the BBC live football thing -

 'There are seven Premier League games in total today, culminating in a televised classic at the Britannia as Stoke host Aston Villa (1945). We have got to be talking Only Fools & Horses viewing figures for that one. North of 20m, surely?'

Sums up general media attitude to those outside the 'elite' clubs, nice and patronising.

If n'Zogbia, Albrighton and Gabby play as we know they can play, that'll shut the feckers up.
Title: Re: Stoke City v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: mrfuse on December 26, 2011, 12:16:48 PM
Depends which Villa turn up if its last Sundays one we will be battered senseless, if its Wednesdays one, we stand a good chance. Im going for 1-1
Title: Re: Stoke City v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: garyshawsknee on December 26, 2011, 12:29:40 PM
I've just seen this on the BBC live football thing -

 'There are seven Premier League games in total today, culminating in a televised classic at the Britannia as Stoke host Aston Villa (1945). We have got to be talking Only Fools & Horses viewing figures for that one. North of 20m, surely?'

Sums up general media attitude to those outside the 'elite' clubs, nice and patronising.

To be honest though,our games on tele have been a hard watch,before Wednesdays game we were probably the worse team to watch,hopefully after the Arsenal game theres a new direction and the previous displays will be a thing of the past.
Title: Re: Stoke City v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: TimTheVillain on December 26, 2011, 12:51:27 PM
-----------Guzan
Cuellar-Clark-Dunne-Warnock
-------Petrov-Delph
--N'Zogbia-Ireland-Gabby
------------Bent

Collins is shit. Bent will play so I'd rest Marc and keep Ireland who was superb against Arsenal. Gabby will have more space with Bent pulling defenders around and Delph is a good player, he just needs games.

Agree with all of this.
Title: Re: Stoke City v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: N'ZMAV on December 26, 2011, 01:25:14 PM
Delph! No thanks
Title: Re: Stoke City v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: N'ZMAV on December 26, 2011, 01:26:03 PM
At least Hutton is out
Title: Re: Stoke City v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Clampy on December 26, 2011, 01:30:59 PM
Is Herd fit? If so, i'd stick him right back with Carlos in the middle.
Title: Re: Stoke City v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: KRS on December 26, 2011, 02:08:07 PM
If we try to match Stoke we will lose at playing their "ugly" game. Get physical when we need to, defend the set pieces well and play our own game when in possession, and we will have half a chance.

Villas televised games this season have been some of the worst ever, and Stoke have been blasted in the media recently for their anti-football in televised games, so it could very well be a painful 90 minutes of "football" to watch.
Title: Re: Stoke City v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: ozzjim on December 26, 2011, 02:24:17 PM
I would move NZogbia more centrally into a roaming role for the night, with Gabby and Marc wide.

So... and only due to Hutton being out, but..

Guzan

Cuellar,
Collins,
Dunne,
Warnock,

Clark
Petrov

Albrighton
NZogbia
Gabby

Bent.

Should give us creativity and flexibility. Ireland came off injured last week so doubt he will be fit, and Bannan can slot into the front 3 with ease as a change.
Title: Re: Stoke City v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on December 26, 2011, 02:49:36 PM
I agree with ozz's team, I'm not a fan of Collins at all but we need him for games like this when Stoke will be launching long ball after long ball.

Clark's height in the midfield will be useful also. My only concern is a central two of Clark and Petrov won't get the ball quickly enough to the wide players but then that's a skill we haven't had since Barry left really.
Title: Re: Stoke City v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: ozzjim on December 26, 2011, 03:02:05 PM
I reckon Clark could get the ball out there fast enough on his left foot given the confidence. Bannan would be ideal but I fear at stoke he would be battered out of the game.
Title: Re: Stoke City v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on December 26, 2011, 03:52:25 PM
Yeah agree again.

Keep Bannan and Ireland on the bench and bring them on in the 2nd half to see if they can open up the play a bit.

Only other problem I have with two wide players is the pitch up there is the smallest in the league so Stoke find it easy to mark out of the game wingers at home so I'd certainly give N'zog a free role and tell Gabby to cut inside whenever possible.
Title: Re: Stoke City v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: TonyD on December 26, 2011, 04:17:35 PM
No Collins, Heskey and Delph and we will play them of the park.   Play those trio and we will lose in a dire game of attrition and AM will be in the firing line and righty so. 
Title: Re: Stoke City v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Matt Collins on December 26, 2011, 05:58:44 PM
No Collins, Heskey and Delph and we will play them of the park.   Play those trio and we will lose in a dire game of attrition and AM will be in the firing line and righty so. 

I don't see what team you could possibly put out without Collins or delph??! Petrov and bannan / ireland in midfield?
Title: Re: Stoke City v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Small Rodent on December 26, 2011, 06:05:50 PM
My Brother-in-law is over from Poland and I was hoping to drag him to the pub for the game, but he said he has to work tonight...he's been given the Villa game to set odds for.

He works for an online betting company, and as long as there is a broadband connection he can do his job anywhere in the world. He set the odds pre-game last night and gets a live stream during the game and adjusts the in-game odds for all the stuff like bookings, next goal etc.

His prediction?

"Villa should always beat Stoke, but 1 - 0 to Stoke"

Which un-discovered tribes of pygmies could probably predict.
Title: Re: Stoke City v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Irish villain on December 26, 2011, 06:29:02 PM
No Collins, Heskey and Delph and we will play them of the park.   Play those trio and we will lose in a dire game of attrition and AM will be in the firing line and righty so. 

I don't see what team you could possibly put out without Collins or delph??! Petrov and bannan / ireland in midfield?

Clark in midfield, Cueller in central defence with Herd at right back?
Title: Re: Stoke City v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Legion on December 26, 2011, 06:29:53 PM
Cuellar in central midfield!?
Title: Re: Stoke City v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Matt Collins on December 26, 2011, 06:31:11 PM
Herd is injured.
Title: Re: Stoke City v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Irish villain on December 26, 2011, 06:33:14 PM
Cuellar in central midfield!?

Should be defence. *blushes*
Title: Re: Stoke City v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Legion on December 26, 2011, 06:33:48 PM
You never know with McLeish!
Title: Re: Stoke City v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on December 26, 2011, 06:38:22 PM
My Brother-in-law is over from Poland and I was hoping to drag him to the pub for the game, but he said he has to work tonight...he's been given the Villa game to set odds for.

He works for an online betting company, and as long as there is a broadband connection he can do his job anywhere in the world. He set the odds pre-game last night and gets a live stream during the game and adjusts the in-game odds for all the stuff like bookings, next goal etc.

His prediction?

"Villa should always beat Stoke, but 1 - 0 to Stoke"

Which un-discovered tribes of pygmies could probably predict.

Old school. Not many operators use traders these days, especially not for live events.

*nods head appreciatively*

We're going to lose.

*shakes head sadly*
Title: Re: Stoke City v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: WALTERS WARRIORS on December 26, 2011, 06:40:37 PM
Cuellar is a solid central defender. But midfield is the last place to play him. Got to keep Albrighton in the team. Delph would get sent off in a game where it is going to be physical as he loses the plot. This game needs a very technically required approach. Cuellar RB to add height for corners set pieces etc. But someone in the midfield to get the ball out to the strikers quickly on the counter. Probably Herd Petrov and Clarke ...... 
Title: Re: Stoke City v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: WALTERS WARRIORS on December 26, 2011, 06:42:18 PM
Sorry forgot Herd is out. Nzogbia and Albrighton coming back to cover .....
Title: Re: Stoke City v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Matt Collins on December 26, 2011, 06:50:51 PM
Bent injured. Heskey in. No shit. Why wouldn't you play Ireland or bannan? Surely with 4 centre backs on the field we don't need a defensive striker?
Title: Re: Stoke City v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Legion on December 26, 2011, 06:51:34 PM
Heskey? WHY!?
Title: Re: Stoke City v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on December 26, 2011, 06:57:13 PM
No Bent?

They're going to sell him, aren't they?
Title: Re: Stoke City v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Legion on December 26, 2011, 06:58:26 PM
No Bent?

They're going to sell him, aren't they?

Madness.
Title: Re: Stoke City v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on December 26, 2011, 06:58:30 PM
Heskey? WHY!?

I've a horrible feeling that, after the brief elation of him seeing the light against Arsenal, he's going back to old habits.
Title: Re: Stoke City v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on December 26, 2011, 06:58:47 PM
They are, which would be a fucking disgrace.
Title: Re: Stoke City v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Legion on December 26, 2011, 06:59:22 PM
Heskey? WHY!?

I've a horrible feeling that, after the brief elation of him seeing the light against Arsenal, he's going back to old habits.

You and me both. Bent must still be in the Boxing Day sale queues.
Title: Re: Stoke City v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Small Rodent on December 26, 2011, 07:38:32 PM
My Brother-in-law is over from Poland and I was hoping to drag him to the pub for the game, but he said he has to work tonight...he's been given the Villa game to set odds for.

He works for an online betting company, and as long as there is a broadband connection he can do his job anywhere in the world. He set the odds pre-game last night and gets a live stream during the game and adjusts the in-game odds for all the stuff like bookings, next goal etc.

His prediction?

"Villa should always beat Stoke, but 1 - 0 to Stoke"

Which un-discovered tribes of pygmies could probably predict.

Old school
. Not many operators use traders these days, especially not for live events.

*nods head appreciatively*

We're going to lose.

*shakes head sadly*

It is Poland!
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