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Title: Randy Lerner era XI
Post by: PaulTheVillan on December 21, 2011, 10:41:08 AM: Imagine where we could be if we had a team like this...

Friedel
Young Mellberg Laursen Bouma
Downing Milner Barry Young
Bent Agbonlahor
Title: Re: Randy Lerner era XI
Post by: Corleone on December 21, 2011, 10:56:20 AM: id prefer Given in goal
Title: Re: Randy Lerner era XI
Post by: PaulTheVillan on December 21, 2011, 10:56:55 AM: Quote from: Corleone on December 21, 2011, 10:56:20 AM
id prefer Given in goal

It was a close call.
Title: Re: Randy Lerner era XI
Post by: timeoutbigbar on December 21, 2011, 11:16:33 AM: Guzan

Beye Collins Knight Warnock

Agathe Hogg Ireland Routledge

Sutton Heskey
Title: Re: Randy Lerner era XI
Post by: willywombat on December 21, 2011, 11:18:45 AM: About 5th or 6th I reckon
Title: Re: Randy Lerner era XI
Post by: pauliewalnuts on December 21, 2011, 11:19:28 AM: ^^^ I'd have Marlon alongside Heskey.

Sutton hardly played, and I can remember him scoring at least once.
Title: Re: Randy Lerner era XI
Post by: brontebilly on December 21, 2011, 11:24:06 AM: Quote from: PaulTheVillan on December 21, 2011, 10:41:08 AM
Imagine where we could be if we had a team like this...

Friedel
Young Mellberg Laursen Bouma
Downing Milner Barry Young
Bent Agbonlahor

Mellberg wasnt up to much by the time Lerner/MON came in. Thought he wasnt all that great generally. reminds me of Collins actually.

Bouma and Laursen were big losses through injury. We spent about 13m on Shorey and Warnock who were both pants replacing him. Still reckon Shorey is better than Warnock but none come close to how solid Bouma was in his last season for us.

Think Dunne is a better defender than laursen. For all his goals Laursen spent a lot of time on his arse in our own penalty box. Still though he was a leader, something which Dunne hasnt been for a good while.

Given over Friedel for me too.
Title: Re: Randy Lerner era XI
Post by: LeeB on December 21, 2011, 11:27:38 AM: Quote from: pauliewalnuts on December 21, 2011, 11:19:28 AM
^^^ I'd have Marlon alongside Heskey.

Sutton hardly played, and I can remember him scoring at least once.

And he actually looked like he could play.
Title: Re: Randy Lerner era XI
Post by: Mister E on December 21, 2011, 11:51:23 AM: Quote from: timeoutbigbar on December 21, 2011, 11:16:33 AM
Guzan

Beye Collins Knight Warnock

Agathe Hogg Ireland Routledge

Sutton Heskey
A little tough on Hogg, TBH.
Sidwell might be a better option:he was truly gash for us.
Title: Re: Randy Lerner era XI
Post by: Big Dick Edwards on December 21, 2011, 11:54:45 AM: Quote from: timeoutbigbar on December 21, 2011, 11:16:33 AM
Guzan

Beye Collins Knight Warnock

Agathe Hogg Ireland Routledge

Sutton Heskey

What? No Pires?!
Title: Re: Randy Lerner era XI
Post by: pauliewalnuts on December 21, 2011, 11:54:55 AM: Quote from: Lee N'B on December 21, 2011, 11:27:38 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on December 21, 2011, 11:19:28 AM
^^^ I'd have Marlon alongside Heskey.

Sutton hardly played, and I can remember him scoring at least once.

And he actually looked like he could play.

I remember that lovely pass Osbourne floated onto Sutton's head at Everton. He (Osbourne) looked like he could play then, too
Title: Re: Randy Lerner era XI
Post by: olaftab on December 21, 2011, 12:00:01 PM: Quote from: PaulTheVillan on December 21, 2011, 10:41:08 AM
Imagine where we could be if we had a team like this...

Friedel
Young Mellberg Laursen Bouma
Downing Milner Barry Young
Bent Agbonlahor

It wouldn't be very good as Gabby on his own will struggle!
Title: Re: Randy Lerner era XI
Post by: Concrete John on December 21, 2011, 12:11:21 PM: Is there any reason this has descended into naming all the poorest players or were we just concerned the thread bordered a little too closely to happy thoughts?
Title: Re: Randy Lerner era XI
Post by: glasses on December 21, 2011, 12:14:07 PM: For me, the best team when everyone was fit & firing and at peak etc would be

Given
Cuellar Dunne Laursen Bouma
Downing Milner Barry Young
Carew Agbonlahor

Subs: Friedel, Bent, NRC, Petrov, Albrighton, Mellberg, Clark

Solid, skilful exciting
Title: Re: Randy Lerner era XI
Post by: will.shilt on December 21, 2011, 12:26:34 PM: Quote from: EffDee on December 21, 2011, 11:51:23 AM
Quote from: timeoutbigbar on December 21, 2011, 11:16:33 AM
Guzan

Beye Collins Knight Warnock

Agathe Hogg Ireland Routledge

Sutton Heskey
A little tough on Hogg, TBH.
Sidwell might be a better option:he was truly gash for us.

could always throw in DjembaDjemba for good measure
Title: Re: Randy Lerner era XI
Post by: will.shilt on December 21, 2011, 12:34:11 PM: surely Jlloyd has to be in the worst
Title: Re: Randy Lerner era XI
Post by: Tokyo Sexwhale on December 21, 2011, 12:40:26 PM: It's a shame we lost Delaney, Mellberg, Laursen and Bouma all for nothing.

On paper that looks like a great defence. Did they ever all play together under O'Leary?
Title: Re: Randy Lerner era XI
Post by: not3bad on December 21, 2011, 12:45:57 PM: Quote from: will.shilt on December 21, 2011, 12:26:34 PM
Quote from: EffDee on December 21, 2011, 11:51:23 AM
Quote from: timeoutbigbar on December 21, 2011, 11:16:33 AM
Guzan

Beye Collins Knight Warnock

Agathe Hogg Ireland Routledge

Sutton Heskey
A little tough on Hogg, TBH.
Sidwell might be a better option:he was truly gash for us.

could always throw in DjembaDjemba for good measure

Djemba Djemba is not a Randy Lerner era player. And I agree with earlier posts, Sutton and Hogg should not be in there. How on Earth could you leave Harewood and Sidwell out of that team of 'stars'? They cost £10 million between them, before wages!
Title: Re: Randy Lerner era XI
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on December 21, 2011, 12:48:11 PM: Quote from: PaulTheVillan on December 21, 2011, 10:41:08 AM
Imagine where we could be if we had a team like this...

Friedel
Young Mellberg Laursen Bouma
Downing Milner Barry Young
Bent Agbonlahor

Hmmm, 10 good players and Downing....
Title: Re: Randy Lerner era XI
Post by: not3bad on December 21, 2011, 12:49:46 PM: Gabor Kirally

Beye The £10 Million guy from West Brom Knight Warnock

Agathe Sidwell Ireland Routledge

Harewood Heskey

Sorry, memory's a bit shit today.

EDIT: I remembered the keeper!
Title: Re: Randy Lerner era XI
Post by: Duncan Shaw on December 21, 2011, 02:39:55 PM: I keep saying it, Sidwell was an integral part in the five man midfield with Gabby up top on his own that went on that superb unbeaten run (including the famous 3-2 at Goodison) where we looked superb.
Title: Re: Randy Lerner era XI
Post by: timeoutbigbar on December 21, 2011, 02:40:01 PM: Aye, apologies for bringing the thread down to negativity, I seem to do that a bit these days, can't imagine why. Can't really argue with the OP best lineup. The only real decision would be the goalkeeper.

edit: Oh, and I'd completely forgotten about the hare. Sidwell was mediocre, not terrible imo.
Title: Re: Randy Lerner era XI
Post by: Mouse Potato on December 21, 2011, 02:54:56 PM: Quote from: Duncan Shaw on December 21, 2011, 02:39:55 PM
I keep saying it, Sidwell was an integral part in the five man midfield with Gabby up top on his own that went on that superb unbeaten run (including the famous 3-2 at Goodison) where we looked superb.

If I remember the famous 3-2 win at Goodison correctly, we were played off the park for the majority of the match and then stole it at the death with a blinder from Ash. We took our chances but were far from superb.
Title: Re: Randy Lerner era XI
Post by: not3bad on December 21, 2011, 02:56:58 PM: Quote from: timeoutbigbar on December 21, 2011, 02:40:01 PM
Sidwell was mediocre, not terrible imo.

I'd still put him in ahead of Hogg in any 'negative' team. Hogg had one proper chance (Man Utd) to my memory, in which he did pretty well.

But as for the 'positive' side, yes, I think it could have been as high as 2nd in this league. Man City's superteam would still be top I suspect. On the other hand they wouldn't have Milner & Barry!
Title: Re: Randy Lerner era XI
Post by: Matt Collins on December 21, 2011, 03:00:56 PM: Quote from: Duncan Shaw on December 21, 2011, 02:39:55 PM
I keep saying it, Sidwell was an integral part in the five man midfield with Gabby up top on his own that went on that superb unbeaten run (including the famous 3-2 at Goodison) where we looked superb.

The problem is we didn't look superb. We were predominantly dour, struggled to create chances and kept on getting really lucky (4 winning own goals in that period?)

Sidwell was absolutely shit for us.
Title: Re: Randy Lerner era XI
Post by: olaftab on December 21, 2011, 03:04:33 PM: Quote from: John M'Zog on December 21, 2011, 12:11:21 PM
Is there any reason this has descended into naming all the poorest players or were we just concerned the thread bordered a little too closely to happy thoughts?

Human nature John we just feel more at home in adversity !
Title: Re: Randy Lerner era XI
Post by: Greg N'Ash on December 21, 2011, 03:05:42 PM: Quote from: PaulTheVillan on December 21, 2011, 10:41:08 AM
Imagine where we could be if we had a team like this...

Friedel
Young Mellberg Laursen Bouma
Downing Milner Barry Young
Bent Agbonlahor

Fascinating thing with that is despite the millions upon millions he spent and the time he was in charge there's only 5 MON's buys.
Title: Re: Randy Lerner era XI
Post by: Concrete John on December 21, 2011, 03:14:19 PM: Quote from: Greg N'Ash on December 21, 2011, 03:05:42 PM
Quote from: PaulTheVillan on December 21, 2011, 10:41:08 AM
Imagine where we could be if we had a team like this...

Friedel
Young Mellberg Laursen Bouma
Downing Milner Barry Young
Bent Agbonlahor

Fascinating thing with that is despite the millions upon millions he spent and the time he was in charge there's only 5 MON's buys.

It's 6 - Big Brad, the two Youngs, Milner, Downing & Bent.

And personally I'd have Dunne at CB as if we're talking about the Randy era Mellberg spent most of his short time of that era at RB.

EDIT - sorry, forgot Bent wasn't a MON buy!
Title: Re: Randy Lerner era XI
Post by: Mister E on December 21, 2011, 03:50:30 PM: Quote from: N'ot3badbia on December 21, 2011, 02:56:58 PM
Quote from: timeoutbigbar on December 21, 2011, 02:40:01 PM
Sidwell was mediocre, not terrible imo.

I'd still put him in ahead of Hogg in any 'negative' team. Hogg had one proper chance (Man Utd) to my memory, in which he did pretty well.

But as for the 'positive' side, yes, I think it could have been as high as 2nd in this league. Man City's superteam would still be top I suspect. On the other hand they wouldn't have Milner & Barry!
True but as Osbourne and Pires have been mentioned we can leave out both Hogg and Sidwell in favour of these two hopeless cases.
Title: Re: Randy Lerner era XI
Post by: not3bad on December 21, 2011, 04:26:43 PM: Actually, what about the chap we had on loan from Spurs Kyle Walker!

Sorry, I remembered his name as I was typing. I'd put Kyle Walker in ahead of Luke Young.
Title: Re: Randy Lerner era XI
Post by: Shrek on December 21, 2011, 05:05:24 PM: -------------Friedel
Young-Melberg-Laursen-Bouma
--Milner-Barry-Petrov-Young
----------Carew-Gabby

It's a no brainer for me.
Title: Re: Randy Lerner era XI
Post by: glasses on December 21, 2011, 05:28:17 PM: Quote from: Greg N'Ash on December 21, 2011, 03:05:42 PM
Quote from: PaulTheVillan on December 21, 2011, 10:41:08 AM
Imagine where we could be if we had a team like this...

Friedel
Young Mellberg Laursen Bouma
Downing Milner Barry Young
Bent Agbonlahor

Fascinating thing with that is despite the millions upon millions he spent and the time he was in charge there's only 5 MON's buys.
Very true. Perhaps we would have saved a few million though, if we hadn't have had Mellberg leave for nothing, and Bouma and Laursen retire through injury. Perhaps.