Heroes & Villains, the Aston Villa fanzine
Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: Legion on December 18, 2011, 07:36:21 PM
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Us: nil
Them: a lot
Sighs.
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Us 0 Them 4.
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0-5
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1-7
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Does Ted Drake still play for them? He might beat his own record if he does.
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Us...
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3-0 Arsenal. Van Persie hat-trick
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Don't see the point of even trying against such giants of the game...its going to be ugly on Wed night.
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I fear that on Wednesday, we'll be saying, like the giant once said, "It is happening again."
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Just me going for the win then?
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They're giants and Villa should know their place.
Shall we just send them 3 points in the post? We can save the cash it costs to turn the floodlights on as an added bonus.
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Just me going for the win then?
I so hope you prove me wrong.
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Maybe like Villa i wont bother turning up.................
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My enthusiasm about our great club has almost completely gone, I imagine it will be about 1-3 and unfortunately its hard to care :-(
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I have NEVER predicted another team to beat Villa before even when I know they will win.
But this time I predict Arsenal will .... no, I can't, I can't ...
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I'm supposed to be going for a drink with an Arsenal supporter on Thursday. I'm deciding which of my excuses not to go sounds the most feasible.
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My boss is an Arsenal fan.
Thank God Christmas holidays are on the way! At least the game is at fortress Villa Park...oh wait, we usually sit back there too :-(
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Fortress? More like a bouncy castle.
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I think this will turn into the most one sided result prediction on here in years. I just can't see anything other than another really dispiriting defeat. Still, with Gabby and Bent back we'll have a chance of scoring, but I honestly think this will be a bit of a thrashing. Hopefully though, it'll be one of those surprising games when we actually do a lot better than everybody is expecting.
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Fortress? More like a bouncy castle.
Heartbreaking isn't it? To think we wanted to surround the place with Ron Saunders quotes. It would be an insult to the man given how utterly pathetic we have been in our last two home games.
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I can hear the excuses from AM already, we will lose unfortunately.
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After this afternoon, my old man said he wasn't going to bother on Wednesday. That's the first time I've heard him say that in 30 years of attending matches with him.
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After this afternoon, my old man said he wasn't going to bother on Wednesday. That's the first time I've heard him say that in 30 years of attending matches with him.
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Sad to hear that but i'm hearing that more and more often.
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After this afternoon, my old man said he wasn't going to bother on Wednesday. That's the first time I've heard him say that in 30 years of attending matches with him.
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Sad to hear that but i'm hearing that more and more often.
You can't blame people. Even Alex Ferguson doesn't bother going down the villa, and he loves McLeish and Lerner!
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Having caught the 2nd half of city vs arsenal after our game ......................
But its my own fault - I never watch 'Grand Designs' cos I know I am never going to build a big house.
I never watch Miss World cos I am never going to sleep with a gorgeous 20 year old woman again.
So why did I watch Man City vs Arsenal ....................
Us - Nil and shit , Them - 4 without getting out of 2nd gear.
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11 all.
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an easy 3-0 win for Arsenal im afraid
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Can't see anything other than a comfortable defeat. Probably 3-0
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I hate to think what will happen if they start doing their
new-fangled passing thing.
0-2
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Villa 0
Arsenal as many as they want to score.
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Going on AMcL's comments post 'The Mighty Reds YNWA' it'll be another surrender against superior opposition, it's already been decided.
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They're hardly impenetrable but I fear that they'll rip our indifferent rearguard to shreds whenever they fancy getting out of first gear. We'll probably score in a heavy defeat. 1-4, I reckon.
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3-0 Arsenal. Van Persie hat-trick
Surely this game is an opportunity for Arse to rest RVP
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Gone for the draw simply because I can't bring myself to click for a London Arsenal win.
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Can see the crowd turning very quickly if we start poorly. Then we will all be told by the press that our expectations are unreasonable, Villa crisis pages in the Mail and Talksport putting the boot in....
3-1 Arse
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This one will be the most one sided of them all im afraid. 4-0 Arsenal. Van Rapist hattrick
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Villa 2 - Arse 0
nah....Only joking
I think we will be tanked, I can't see us creating anything, let alone scoring.
I wonder if Arsenal will play the game at walking pace like ManU and Lplop did ?
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Villa 0-4 Arsenal
They attacked with some much pace v Man City yesterday, there is now way we'll even get a sniff.
Their midfield will just pass it around us all day long, we won't even touch the ball.
I've gave my ticket away.
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0-3 to the Arse
I'm watching it happen at home.
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Being an evening kick off after a busy day at work for me. I think I'll struggle to stay awake. 3-0 to the gunners
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Never I have I been more certain of a result than this. It's just a question of how many Arsenal will score. Maybe a significant trouncing will wake up RL but I think he's managed his own expectations on that score. This could be our worst season since the mid- 1980's.
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I think we're in for an absolute tonking here.
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I'll go 0-0, with some of the most wasteful finishing ever seen from Arsenal.
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I think they Liverpool performance will be used as a spur and they'll react well to it, but still lose. 0-1 Arsenal.
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I'm sure the disintergration of Aston Villa will continue here and we'll play for a 2 or 3 nil defeat.
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An optimistic Villa 0 Arsenal 4. Any time soon we will be at a Billy McNeil level of shitness..
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3-0 to Arsenal.
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2-1 to us.
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Us...
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Good point well made! Thank You.
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Mods Can we change the title of this thread to Aston Villa v GIANTS 1/2/3/4 or however many giants are in the PL just in Eck wanders over here and knows exactly what match we are talking about?
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They're giants and Villa should know their place.
Shall we just send them 3 points in the post? We can save the cash it costs to turn the floodlights on as an added bonus.
Can't really rely on the post during Xmas week. It would be better to fax or email the 3 points to The Emirates today, meaning we are all spared another 90 minutes of depressing torture on Wednesday.
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It won't be a heavy defeat I think. I'm sure they've worked out that once they take the lead they won't need to defend it too hard. 1-0 to the Arsenal.
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First time ever i have gone against us. We will lose, 3 or 4 nil.
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Much of the same, huffing and puffing and then rolling over to the tune of a 2-0/3-0 defeat.
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My brother in law and nephew are Arsenal fans . im turning my phone off today for a week ...
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We're gonna lose while looking totally inept and without any discernible tactics, other than to hoof it every chance we get.
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I'm sure the disintergration of Aston Villa will continue here and we'll play for a 2 or 3 nil defeat.
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Yeah, agree.......AM will be happy and see it as a result if we restrict them to 2-0. Damage limitation is what he's all about.
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Heskey , Delph , Collins , Warnock , Dunne and Hutton all to start .
Oh what fun we will have ;(
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We will be happy to only lose 2-0 but then they are a massive club so we are lucky to be on the same field as they are .......
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3-0 Villa win. Heskey hat trick to answer his critics in the best possible way.
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We need to put in Cuellar at centre back. Clark centre mid and if fit Herd at right back. im going 1-1 though.
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My brother in law and nephew are Arsenal fans . im turning my phone off today for a week ...
Coincidence so are my brother in law and nephew are as well. The difference being they're coming down from Leeds to watch it They'll be going home happy
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My brother in law and nephew are Arsenal fans . im turning my phone off today for a week ...
Coincidence so are my brother in law and nephew are as well. The difference being they're coming down from Leeds to watch it They'll be going home happy
Ive been too many times with them and come away feeling humiliated , I remember a 3-2 that was great but my nephew wasnt born and a pissed off day when Henry scored with that free kick but I cant face taking them to this .
p.s and he is french ;(
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3-0 Villa win. Heskey hat trick to answer his critics in the best possible way.
Chris - i admire your glass half full attitude, i really do - either this or the glass has been half full too many times in the last 24 hours
Heskey hat trick is as likely as Kate Moss turning up at my front door (pretty version not pissed and stinking of fags) and demanding that I service her until Big Ben sounds off for 2012
Hang on was that the door....no it wasn't
UTV!!
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In a 16 year career that has seen him play upwards of 500 top flight games as well as many Internationals i'm sure that one day my prediction will come true and he will indeed answer his critics in the best possible way, he may well be playing in a veterans match on a beach somewhere in 15 years time but he will prove once and for all that he is not a buffoon nor a spectaculary crap footballer.
When he does we will all feel incredibly foolish for ever doubting his ability.
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In a 16 year career that has seen him play upwards of 500 top flight games as well as many Internationals i'm sure that one day my prediction will come true and he will indeed answer his critics in the best possible way, he may well be playing in a veterans match on a beach somewhere in 15 years time but he will prove once and for all that he is not a buffoon nor a spectaculary crap footballer.
When he does we will all feel incredibly foolish for ever doubting his ability.
You're right, I already feel foolish
Heskey hat trick it is then
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In the admittedly highly unlikely scenario of Heskey answering his critics i'm going for defeat with Heskey throwing himself to the floor whenever anybody breathes on him, missing a fairly simple chance and trapping the ball further than anybody can kick it.
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Does anybody remember an Arsenal game at VP in the mid 80's when they went 4 nil up and I think it was before HT. Well if AM doesnt bring Clark, Carlos and Gardner into the team - we could be looking at history repeating itself.
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In the admittedly highly unlikely scenario of Heskey answering his critics i'm going for defeat with Heskey throwing himself to the floor whenever anybody breathes on him, missing a fairly simple chance and trapping the ball further than anybody can kick it.
He managed to chest the ball further than I can kick it yesterday.
You can't teach that.
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In the admittedly highly unlikely scenario of Heskey answering his critics i'm going for defeat with Heskey throwing himself to the floor whenever anybody breathes on him, missing a fairly simple chance and trapping the ball further than anybody can kick it.
Make your mind up Chris - i've sent Kate back to Croydon with a flea in her ear - now you give me this!!
I"ll run down to the station see if i can catch her - Kaaaaaaaate, Heskey really is shit afterall let's get funky - Kaaaaaaate !!!
:-)
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In a 16 year career that has seen him play upwards of 500 top flight games as well as many Internationals i'm sure that one day my prediction will come true and he will indeed answer his critics in the best possible way, he may well be playing in a veterans match on a beach somewhere in 15 years time but he will prove once and for all that he is not a buffoon nor a spectaculary crap footballer.
When he does we will all feel incredibly foolish for ever doubting his ability.
How many non-buffoons here earn £60k a week? He may not be the footballer we would like him to be but he'll retire early and wealthy - that's pretty smart in my view.
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I can only see us getting thumped, with Hutton being sent off before half time. If we go 2 or 3 down in the first half I suspect that the vitriol aimed at Mcleish will be so severe that he'll need security to get off the pitch. If we really get hammered badly then I can't possibly see him surviving or there will be a riot at VP.
It's disgraceful going to see Villa play knowing that we are going to get mauled and I'm going to have to try and detach myself emotionally from what is about to happen. I've worked fucking hard this year and the money spent on a season ticket was done so without question but it really makes my piss boil that some of these twats are getting paid so handsomely for being so shite.
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Just been reading an Arsenal forum (Arsenal mania I think it was) and they seem to dislike McLeish more than we do, one comment from a Gooner was "I hope we annihilate them and free them from the curse that is Mcleish", the majority seem to think we're going to kick them all over the pitch, judging by the Liverpool game though we won't get with in 5 yards of an Arsenal play to as much as sniff there hair let alone kick them.
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Anyone who thinks the outcome will be anything other than a comprehensive defeat is clearly off their tits.
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We'll get royally turned over, and undoubtedly we'll merely roll over and let them stroll undisturbed around us for 90 minutes. Arsenal won't have a bloody easier game all season (at least until we play them at the Emirates), I garauntee it.
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In the admittedly highly unlikely scenario of Heskey answering his critics i'm going for defeat with Heskey throwing himself to the floor whenever anybody breathes on him, missing a fairly simple chance and trapping the ball further than anybody can kick it.
He managed to chest the ball further than I can kick it yesterday.
You can't teach that.
That's because he fell on it and it fired out from under him like flipping a tiddley wink.
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He has the touch of a camel.
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Brings out a whole new meaning for camel's toe
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I was gonna go - but phuk it
think I`ll go shopping with Benty!!
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How many does RVP need to get the calendar year record? I am going 1-5 in a complete horror show, and hopefully a significant nail in the coffin, to be delivered by Stoke. Quick appointment of Hughes by new year, 3 new men in Jan, a rejuvenated Ireland under the only man who seems to get football out of him and a decent honeymoon period as we are all now thankful for a man we didn't really want in the summer. If his back room thing is what he wants, with the way the first team is, I would be tempted to say let him have them, apart from the youth team.
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I will be there.
It will be cold
I will make use of my free pie voucher
I will leave depressed, nothing but an easy Arsenal win in the offing and some vitriol I imagine.
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I will be there.
It will be cold
I will make use of my free pie voucher
I will leave depressed, nothing but an easy Arsenal win in the offing and some vitriol I imagine.
You're wrong there.
The forecast is quite mild.
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New H&V out aswell. Buy it. It might be the only decent thing you look at all evening.
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If the Christmas post is timely I might read it instead of watching the game.
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Have to go with the majority...1-3 Arsenal.
I think serious questions need to be really asked if we can't even put up some sort of performance in this. If McLeish can beat this mob in the cup final (when SHA actually played well in that game) he can certainly get us to give it a go on Wednesday but I'm not holding my breath.
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New H&V out aswell. Buy it. It might be the only decent thing you look at all evening.
Dunno, Arsenal are always nice to watch.
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Last week I got chatting to a bluenose at the Walsall F.A. Cup match. He said that whilst McLeish was manager of Small Heath Alliance, his excuse for the negative tactics was that he had inferior players. We have far superior players, so what is his excuse now? This came from him, not me.
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We often seem to play Arsenal at Villa Park on the evening in the cold.
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Does anybody remember an Arsenal game at VP in the mid 80's when they went 4 nil up and I think it was before HT. Well if AM doesnt bring Clark, Carlos and Gardner into the team - we could be looking at history repeating itself.
This was my first ever game. I can't believe I went back!
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I'm going for an Arsenal win so that Villa will prove me wrong, out of spite.
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I will be there.
It will be cold
I will make use of my free pie voucher
I will leave depressed, nothing but an easy Arsenal win in the offing and some vitriol I imagine.
You're wrong there.
The forecast is quite mild.
Dang Nabbit.... can't the club do anything right??? (tongue firmly in cheek!)
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How many does RVP need to get the calendar year record? I am going 1-5 in a complete horror show, and hopefully a significant nail in the coffin, to be delivered by Stoke. Quick appointment of Hughes by new year, 3 new men in Jan, a rejuvenated Ireland under the only man who seems to get football out of him and a decent honeymoon period as we are all now thankful for a man we didn't really want in the summer. If his back room thing is what he wants, with the way the first team is, I would be tempted to say let him have them, apart from the youth team.
bloody hell, I'm quite excited now !!
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Us 0 (same as v the other giants Spurs, Man Ure and Liverpool)
Them 2
They'll score 2 before HT and spend the second half writing Christmas cards and wrapping presents in their own penalty area without any interruption from our players
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Well done the 10 who voted home win. Good for you.
Mad as hatters.
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Anything under 4 or 5 I'll be delighted, why do people think mark Hughes would be a good manager for us?
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Anything under 4 or 5 I'll be delighted, why do people think mark Hughes would be a good manager for us?
I was'nt that keen on him to be honest but at least the footy would have been better. He was possibly badly advised in the summer by that clown of a agent. Even Tevez has made a mess of his career.
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New H&V out aswell. Buy it. It might be the only decent thing you look at all evening.
And if the match doesn't sufficiently fill you with gloom, read my piece in there, it'll finish you off.
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Startling headline on BBC.co.uk football page:
"Villa to miss rest of season."
They mean David....or do they ?!
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0-3. True to form I expect us to meekly surrender. Please prove me wrong.
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I will be there.
It will be cold
I will make use of my free pie voucher
I will leave depressed, nothing but an easy Arsenal win in the offing and some vitriol I imagine.
Free pie vouchers? Those numpties behind the counter get stymied by a modest number of customers.
One has to stare dumbly at the person ordering whilst another heads off in the wrong direction to fetch something not included in the order and then pour beer from a perfectly adequate can into a flimsy plastic cup.
To really baffle them, add change to a note to round up what they have to return e.g. hand over £10.09 for a £5.09 purchase.
Free pies will lead to an unsustainable stampede.
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Do not like to say this but he has to take Delph out the midfield and put Clarke in there with Petrov and Herd. Think Makoun would of been ideal now. Someone who can keep the ball and create a passing game ......
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I think after Sunday Arsenal will want to win and win in style. How lucky for them they have us next! 0-5 and I'll be really delighted if I'm wrong.
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Startling headline on BBC.co.uk football page:
"Villa to miss rest of season."
They mean David....or do they ?!
It shows how much I'm enjoying this season; I got my hopes up.
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My my, we're a gloomy lot on here recently.
Haven't we forgotten that this time of year always throws up crazy results?
Villa to fight a fantastic rearguard action and hold on to a hard fought 0-2 deficit.
Keep the faith!
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I'm going for a spirited draw as long as McLeish finally comes to his senses and makes changes in defence. If not expect the obvious.
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Anyone who thinks the outcome will be anything other than a comprehensive defeat is clearly off their tits.
Maybe that's for the best Des. I think at the moment being clearly off my tits is much more desirable than watching Villa.
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My my, we're a gloomy lot on here recently.
Haven't we forgotten that this time of year always throws up crazy results?
Villa to fight a fantastic rearguard action and hold on to a hard fought 0-2 deficit.
Keep the faith!
Sadly our manager seems to think that is a real good result...
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I'm going for a spirited draw as long as McLeish finally comes to his senses and makes changes in defence. If not expect the obvious.
So Heskey at Centre Back then.
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Villa 1
GIANTS 0
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I'm going for a spirited draw as long as McLeish finally comes to his senses and makes changes in defence. If not expect the obvious.
So Heskey at Centre Back then.
Why not? I thought he was Liverpool's best defender on Sunday!
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I think we will lose 2-0.
Post match interview AM will say that yet another giant has come to VP and whilst it is hard to come up against these giants every match we showed some promise as we strung 2 passes together on TWO ocassions and we made their keeper make one save...........
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And also one of the youngsters will be trotted out to tell the OS that the lads will pull together and do better next time. Although I think that they have all been used for that purpose, possibly leaving only Weimann.
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Bum smacking 4-0 victory to arsenal, and that's that .on Sunday watching there game after ours was like a different sport
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0-4
I just can't see us keeping Van the man under control AND create any chances at the same time.
McCrap looked beat on the touchline on Sunday, I can't see where the improvement will come from
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I wonder if he'll rest Van Persie.
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I wonder if he'll rest Van Persie.
Would it make a difference if he did?
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Any one remember the Arsenal match over Xmas when Flight Sargeant Rogoff hit the Trinity Road Stand roof and nearly died during that parachute jump display?
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A galvanizing performance from the Villa with all three points in the bag.
The comeback starts here.
Villa 2 Arsenal 1.
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You get better odds for a Villa win here than at Ladbrokes. What can I get for Villa 2-0 with N'Zogbia getting the winner from a 25 yard free kick after snatching the ball from Bannan, telling him that, just because Young has left, he doesn't have to take them all?
This pisses Bannan off and he makes a dazzling solo run from the half way line and fires it past the keeper from the edge of the box.
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Any one remember the Arsenal match over Xmas when Flight Sargeant Rogoff hit the Trinity Road Stand roof and nearly died during that parachute jump display?
Dion double and a sensational 45 minutes from stan. Amazing game. Sadly overshadowed by the most disturbing few seconds as rogoff dangled there.
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Any one remember the Arsenal match over Xmas when Flight Sargeant Rogoff hit the Trinity Road Stand roof and nearly died during that parachute jump display?
Dion double and a sensational 45 minutes from stan. Amazing game. Sadly overshadowed by the most disturbing few seconds as rogoff dangled there.
I remember it was like slow motion as he slowly tumbled over the edge and fell to the ground.
Horrible
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Not to make light of the poor blokes injuries, but I've often wondered how parents explained that one away to impressionable youngsters.
Santa being taken away by paramedics and the whole ground gasping.
Not something any of us are ever likely to forget.
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Any one remember the Arsenal match over Xmas when Flight Sargeant Rogoff hit the Trinity Road Stand roof and nearly died during that parachute jump display?
Dion double and a sensational 45 minutes from stan. Amazing game. Sadly overshadowed by the most disturbing few seconds as rogoff dangled there.
I remember it was like slow motion as he slowly tumbled over the edge and fell to the ground.
Horrible
I'll never forget that.
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I had to look away as he fell to the ground. Terrible few moments.
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And wasn't that game the last time we beat Arsenal at home? 1998?
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I was there in the holte,and you could see that the guy was coming in at a wrong angle compared to the others. A horrible hush fell over the ground,a tragic scene. I think I heard that the poor fella died ( not due to the incident)a few years later.
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Another poor loss,we'll be lucky to get 25% of the ball.
Collins,Delph,Heskey,Fonz out,Cuellar,Clark,Bannan and Gab in.
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As much as I think a loss is likely I wouldn't put it past us to beat Arsenal then take a pounding at Stoke.
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As much as I think a loss is likely I wouldn't put it past us to beat Arsenal then take a pounding at Stoke.
More like take a pounding off both of them - i get paid to watch that shite and even i dont want to go!
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At least Bent said he's fully committed and loves playing for Villa, and I'm going to take him on his word.
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Bent, Herd and Heskey all unavailable, apparently.
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"Dressed as Santa Claus for the jump, Rogoff broke his pelvis, hips and several ribs in the accident, and subsequently had to have his leg amputated. Fortunately he survived and the story has a happy ending – Rogoff fell in love with one of the nurses who helped save his life and the couple had twins in 2001."
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Bent, Herd and Heskey all unavailable, apparently.
Collins doubtful.
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Shame that Herd and Bent might be out. The other two names are reasons to put the bunting up.
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Bent, Herd and Heskey all unavailable, apparently.
Collins doubtful.
I assume that's on form....
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Shame that Herd and Bent might be out. The other two names are reasons to put the bunting up.
Ha ha Very true. All we need now is for Hutton and Warnock to collide in training, leading to them both being out injured for at least 6 months, and I'll believe there really is a Santa.
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team should be
guzan, hutton, dunne, clarke, warnock , delph, petrov,bannan , ireland, gabby and delfonzo.
playing with diamond formation ( ireland being most foward of the midfielders)
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I'd pick this:
Guzan
Hutton Cuellar Dunne Warnock
Clark
Petrov Bannan
Albrighton Agbonlahor N'Zogbia
Subs: Marshall, Collins (if fit enough), Delph, Ireland, Delfouneso, Weimann, Johnson.
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I'd pick this:
Guzan
Hutton Cuellar Dunne Warnock
Clark
Petrov Bannan
Albrighton Agbonlahor N'Zogbia
Subs: Marshall, Collins (if fit enough), Delph, Ireland, Delfouneso, Weimann, Johnson.
We can pick who we like, the fact is that at the moment they are playing like a buch of strangers who have no direction.
We may as well play the youth or the reserve team, we will loose but it will be far more entertaining with far more passion than whats currently on offer
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According to the Official Site Bent, Herd, and Heskey are all out and Collins is doubtful.
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According to the Official site Heskey is out and Collins is doubtful.
Praise the lord.
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team should be
guzan, hutton, dunne, clarke, warnock , delph, petrov,bannan , ireland, gabby and delfonzo.
playing with diamond formation ( ireland being most foward of the midfielders)
Not directed at you at all Phil - as i think this could be the line up.
But what a paper thin squad full of garbage we have if this is the best we can put up against one of the giants - that has to be the most uninspiring midfields i've ever seen represent Villa in the nigh on 30 years i've been going to VP
Luckily we have a manager who has an uncanny knack of getting the best out the guys - sorry actually we have a ginger tosser, deep joy!
Amazed if we get past the half way line - especially as McBollocks will set up up not to do so and defend bravely a 0-4 reverse, also our chief attacking weapon during the McTurd era is the Collins slide rule 90 yard hoof - without that we are doooomed i'm telling you doooomed!!!
UTV!
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RvP to pass Shearer's scoring record tonight, unless we can obtain a bus to park in front of the goal :-[
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Tomorrow, surely?
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I'd play Gabby right through the middle and just instruct the players to hit it forward as quickly as possible (which is what they bleeding do anyway). Will be awful to watch and no doubt Wenger will be on his high horse after the game but we might get a goal from it as certainly Gabby will easily beat Merteckser for pace.
They're also playing Miquel at full back so might aswell keep the two wide players in and test him out.
On reflection I'd probably keep the Fonz in aswell as he did o.k in the first half against Liverpool dropping deep and if we played 3 centrally, we'd probably still be dominated possession wise.
This Collins injury and Clark coming in seems too good to be true dosen't it? No doubt he'll be playing through the pain bar and gifting Arsenal space and goals tommorrow night
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I'd pick this:
Guzan
Hutton Cuellar Dunne Warnock
Clark
Petrov Bannan
Albrighton Agbonlahor N'Zogbia
Subs: Marshall, Collins (if fit enough), Delph, Ireland, Delfouneso, Weimann, Johnson.
Cannot argue much with this team.
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We have got to have a go at them.
The worst thing McLeish could do is see us go a goal down then shut up shop to try and keep the score down.
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A draw is about as good as we can expect I think. Gabby will make a difference and I'm looking forward to seeing him play again. He has been one of very few highlights this season.
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There are some interesting bets to be had on this one. I've had Vermaelen first scorer (likes to get up for corners, and we all - well almost all - realise how shit we are at defending them) with Arsenal to win 3-0 at a whopping 175/1.couple of quid.
I've also had a couple on Arsenal 4-0 and 5-0, plus an Arsenal, Man U, Man City, Liverpool accumulator.
I'm not expecting a good night on the pitch, so a bit of cash would be nice.
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We have got to have a go at them.
The worst thing McLeish could do is see us go a goal down then shut up shop to try and keep the score down.
If that does happen then we will have reason for complaint for sure. Being crap, having a go and losing is one thing, "keeping the losing score down will just be an embaressment" that should not be tolerated
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There are some interesting bets to be had on this one. I've had Vermaelen first scorer (likes to get up for corners, and we all - well almost all - realise how shit we are at defending them) with Arsenal to win 3-0 at a whopping 175/1.couple of quid.
I've also had a couple on Arsenal 4-0 and 5-0, plus an Arsenal, Man U, Man City, Liverpool accumulator.
I'm not expecting a good night on the pitch, so a bit of cash would be nice.
I stood to win £750 for £1 last Saturday if Hutton had scored the first goal (at their end) and we'd won 3-0. I don't normally bet against Villa but I think you might be onto a good thing tomorrow. It would sweeten the pill of defeat.
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RvP to pass Shearer's scoring record tonight, unless we can obtain a bus to park in front of the goal :-[
Ah I see cunning plan to win the game by McKnob. Tell Arsenal it is a Wednesday but actually play unopposed on a Tuesday night............we'd still lose by a Dunne Own Goal.............
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Usually we dont play too badly in this fixture but still find ourselves a goal or two down against the run of play. Cant see that happening tomorrow though. Poor performance, poor result. 3-0 loss.
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(Un)fortunately I am quite ill at the moment (there seems to be a virus going round) and so cannot see myself attending this anymore.
With this game I'm not sure if I'd be going to see how good Arsenal are (which they usually are the best team to watch in the league) or just to moan about how shit we are. However, I won't get to make that decision.
On second thoughts, I'm not able to go, so we'll probably win with the best performance of the season.
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Another 2 0 defeat, Arsenal will pass us to death, we will be chasing shadows, god I am so underwhelmed.
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There are some interesting bets to be had on this one. I've had Vermaelen first scorer (likes to get up for corners, and we all - well almost all - realise how shit we are at defending them) with Arsenal to win 3-0 at a whopping 175/1.couple of quid.
I've also had a couple on Arsenal 4-0 and 5-0, plus an Arsenal, Man U, Man City, Liverpool accumulator.
I'm not expecting a good night on the pitch, so a bit of cash would be nice.
I stood to win £750 for £1 last Saturday if Hutton had scored the first goal (at their end) and we'd won 3-0. I don't normally bet against Villa but I think you might be onto a good thing tomorrow. It would sweeten the pill of defeat.
I'm surprised you didn't stand to win a million by betting a quid on Hutton scoring and us winning 3-0 against Liverpool.
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I'd go 4-3-3 because Arsenals midfield will cut through us with ease playing 4-4-2, Guzan, Hutton, Cuellar, Dunne, Warnock, Clark, Petrov, Gardner, Delfouneso, Gabby, N'zogbia.
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0-3 I think. Can't see us scoring or even getting the ball for most of the game.
Sad times, always used to fancy us beating Arsenal.
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Has anybody mentioned the e-mail from Aston Villa today? It is entitled "Watch Arsenal under the floodlights". Not Villa, Arsenal. (I suppose I could end this post with "Oh!", couldn't I?)
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(Un)fortunately I am quite ill at the moment (there seems to be a virus going round) and so cannot see myself attending this anymore.
With this game I'm not sure if I'd be going to see how good Arsenal are (which they usually are the best team to watch in the league) or just to moan about how shit we are. However, I won't get to make that decision.
On second thoughts, I'm not able to go, so we'll probably win with the best performance of the season.
Can you supply a sick note please? Why should you escape the agony?
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Zero enthusiasm for this, like others. I just want to get the Arse and Chel$ea games out the way to be honest.
I think the logical thing would be to play 433. We're not going to compete in passing football, even if we play 3 in there. It seems we literally can't keep the ball when up against any kind of pressure. But it should stop us being run through quite so readily, especially without Herd in there.
The only real weak spot I can see is in Arsenal's defence. Mertesacker is slow and ponderous and Gabby could get the better of him I think, and they are likely to have Koscielny and Coquelin at full back; so I reckon Albrighton and N'Zogbia wide.
In midfield, I think we need Clark, Petrov and one more. Probably Bannan although I'm losing a bit of faith in his ability to play at the top level. Delph still looks talented to me, but he struggles to impose himself in midfield and seems to be going backwards.
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If we're 3-0 down at half time I'm going home.
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Arsenal have lost only two of their last 25 meetings with Aston Villa.
Aston Villa have not won any of their last 12 home games against Arsenal (D6, L6).
Aston Villa have failed to score in four of their past five league games.
Alex McLeish's side have won only two of their last nine matches.
They have lost three of their last four home league matches.
Hooray!
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Nope. Decision made, I am not going.
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Cant see anything else other than an Arsenal win, if they play like they did against City they will beat us comfortably 2-0
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You all do know we'll win this. In ugly fashion and much to the dismay of Wenger and some Villa fans, but we will end up beating them.
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Going to be a long night. Back in the day, like Sunday, a two goal early lead for the opposition would have seen me in the pub before half time. Can't do that these days with the little un in tow and one of these Super Big Boys are going to absolutely muller us one day..... could be tonight.
But you never know...a draw or a narrow defeat will make my Xmas !
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I cannot make this match tonight, devastated isn't the word.
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I watched the Blackburn / Bolton game last night. Although the quality of player on the pitch was not very good (which is the blame of the owners not supporting the manager) at least both teams went for it in an open, decent game.
My point being even if the team are filled with inferior players, how they are set up and motivated means everything
We know our players are not shit (Heskey apart) so it has to be the way they are coached and managed
No escape - McCliesh out!
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I don't know what game you were watching Hookey. Blackburn were awful, with the exception of the young lad Hoilett, while Bolton just sat back.
The fans are getting like some of the players.
I think something has changed, Dunne was clearly losing the plot with a lot of them and hopefully dishing out some slaps in the dressing room.
They'll stand up and be counted tonight.
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they do seem very lacking in character. It seems Gardner has that character. I wonder if he'll be tempted to bring him in soon. Cov seem to have confirmed he's coming back, but Mcleish didn't mention him so I expect him on the bench.
I imagine Clark would play DCM, but I guess Gardner is an option to add some bollocks in there at least, albeit a very different player. Petrov would hold presumably.
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id go with
Guzan
Hutton, Cuellar, Dunne, Warnock
------Herd, Clark------------
Nzogbia, Petrov, Gabby
----------Bent-------------
If Bent is out Albrighton on left.
If Herd is out Ireland in midfield.
Fuck even at that its such a shit team.
No Delph, Collins and Heskey please.
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they do seem very lacking in character. It seems Gardner has that character. I wonder if he'll be tempted to bring him in soon. Cov seem to have confirmed he's coming back, but Mcleish didn't mention him so I expect him on the bench.
How do we know Gardner has that character?
Also, he might have had it in the reserves, but showing it in the PL is a different thing.
Don't get me wrong, I too am looking forward to see him getting a game soon, but I think we are in danger of bestowing upon him strengths and attributes that we don't actually know he has.
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How would a lower league team have a go against Arsenal in a cup tie. As we are playing one of the giants of the game we should adopt these tactics...
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Dunno if its been mentioned yet but from the OS - Herd, Bent, Heskey all out injured - with Collins (knee) probably needing a fitness test.
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0-3 Can't see us getting much of the ball, and when we do we cant pass to fellow teamates anyway.
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I used to look forward to Villa games, now I just dread them. It's not just about results it's about performance. I wouldn't expect us to necessarily beat Man Utd, Liverpool, Arsenal etc, but I expect us to have a go.
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i agree on the risks of bestowing Gardner with some kind of cult status.
But I do think he's got character, based on what people say. For example, the way he insisted on taking the ball for the free kick he scored for the under 21s - taking it off £20m Jordan Henderson.
Not going over board, but I suspect he'd impose himself a little more than Delph. He may also get sent off I suppose!
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Not going over board, but I suspect he'd impose himself a little more than Delph. He may also get sent off I suppose!
He can't be more of a red card risk than Delph, who managed to go in two footed (and fortunately miss his man) twice in the first ten minutes or so on Sunday.
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2 nil Arsenal. Would like to see
Guzan
Hutton Collins Dunne Warnock
Albrighton Petrov Delph N'Zogbia
Ireland
Gabby
Subs Marshall Stevens Clark Cuellar Gardner Bannan Weimann
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Stevens is not eligible to play until 3rd January 2012.
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Shame Herd's out but Heskey and Collins being out is a positive; gives CC a chance to bag a back-four place.
I'm hoping that Petrov, BB and Delph can settle into a decent midfield 3 routine, with Gabby flanked by N'Zog and Albie.
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To be honest I dont care what the score will be all I want is a bit of commitment, yes were not the better team but lets not go into the game with that attitude that seems too stem from McLeish.
Lets have a go, warm the fans up and give us something to sing about okay Arsenal might beat us 4 or 5 nil but id rather that than the 2-0 appalling display of sunday
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Big Eck says 'stop Van Persie' on OS. Yep, that should let in Walcott or Gervinho or Ramsey or Arteta to score. How about 'keep the ball, pass and move, close down space' which gives Villa the only possible chance of a result.
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Worried about Gervinho & Walcott against our full backs.
:-(
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They are shit at the back, so there might be a glimmer of hope we can get a consolation goal. :-)
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Big Eck says 'stop Van Persie' on OS. Yep, that should let in Walcott or Gervinho or Ramsey or Arteta to score. How about 'keep the ball, pass and move, close down space' which gives Villa the only possible chance of a result.
Yes, ridiculous to try and stop them scoring.
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Not going over board, but I suspect he'd impose himself a little more than Delph. He may also get sent off I suppose!
He can't be more of a red card risk than Delph, who managed to go in two footed (and fortunately miss his man) twice in the first ten minutes or so on Sunday.
Those tackles were like the ones I used to do on computer football games before getting used to the controls or when playing as Blues against computer-controlled Villa and losing on purpose.
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This game isn't going to be worth traveling to from Aberystwyth, spending the night in Nottingham and traveling back to Aberystwyth tomorrow for is it?
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This game isn't going to be worth traveling to from Aberystwyth, spending the night in Nottingham and traveling back to Aberystwyth tomorrow for is it?
Anything to get out of Aber.
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This game isn't going to be worth traveling to from Aberystwyth, spending the night in Nottingham and traveling back to Aberystwyth tomorrow for is it?
It depends if you can somehow involve beer and breasts.
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This game isn't going to be worth traveling to from Aberystwyth, spending the night in Nottingham and traveling back to Aberystwyth tomorrow for is it?
It depends if you can somehow involve beer and breasts.
He could have a skinful, then watch 11 tits wonder around a football pitch.
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This game isn't going to be worth traveling to from Aberystwyth, spending the night in Nottingham and traveling back to Aberystwyth tomorrow for is it?
It depends if you can somehow involve beer and breasts.
Collins is out, but no new fitness concerns over Dunne.
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I don't usually do this but...
Guzan
Hutton Cuellar Dunne Warnock
Albrighton Petrov Bannan Clark D. Johnson
Gabby
Subs Marshall Stevens Delph Gardner Weimann Blake
Injured Collins Herd
Shopping (hopefullly for a new club) Bent N'Zogbia Ireland Heskey
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Stevens is ineligible.
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Clacker is supposed to be starting in the middle of the park, which I think is good news. He bagged a brace against these last year. He reminds me a hell of a lot of Barry.
I'd see him with Stan, Bannan more advanced, with Charlie and Marc on the flanks and Gabby up top.
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Guzan
Hutton
Clark
Dunne
Warnock
Albrighton
Petrov
Bannan
N'Zogbia
Delfouneso
Agbonlahor
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Clacker is supposed to be starting in the middle of the park, which I think is good news. He bagged a brace against these last year. He reminds me a hell of a lot of Barry.
I'd see him with Stan, Bannan more advanced, with Charlie and Marc on the flanks and Gabby up top.
Actually, that's pretty much the best we can hope for tonight. I really like Clark. Classy. Confident player. Will eb a real star. Expect a few bids to come in for him over the next couple of years.
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Think we'll lose 1-2. Does Darren know that the Bull Ring is open tonight 'til 10pm for late-night shopping?
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Think we'll lose 1-2. Does Darren know that the Bull Ring is open tonight 'til 10pm for late-night shopping?
Tweet him see if he reply's ;)
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Guzan
Hutton
Clark
Dunne
Warnock
Albrighton
Petrov
Bannan
N'Zogbia
Delfouneso
Agbonlahor
I'd be very concerned with the centre there. Bannan and Petrov in a two man midfield isn't likely to provide any protection at all.
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I'd drop Fonz and go with Clark in CM myself. Gabby has proved in the past he can play the lone striker role, especially if the wingers support him.
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Guzan
Hutton
Clark
Dunne
Warnock
Albrighton
Petrov
Bannan
N'Zogbia
Delfouneso
Agbonlahor
Petrov and Bannan against Arteta, Ramsay and Frimpong? No thanks!
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We got overrun in the centre on Sunday and Arsenal also play with three in there, so i'd be going with three aswell:-
Guzan
Hutton
Dunne
Collins (Cuellar if unfit)
Warnock
Albrighton
Clark
Petrov
Bannan
N'Zogbia
Gabby
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I wonder what the odds would be for the 20,000th premier league goal to be scored against us?
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We are 4/1 to win. Big odds for us as the home team.
We might be playing poor but I'm having some of that.
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We got overrun in the centre on Sunday and Arsenal also play with three in there, so i'd be going with three aswell:-
Guzan
Hutton
Dunne
Collins (Cuellar if unfit)
Warnock
Albrighton
Clark
Petrov
Bannan
N'Zogbia
Gabby
This - although I'd be happy with Delph in the middle and Clark at CB.
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well i did predict a loss a couple of days ago, but i have just opened my first beer of the night and i am going to change my mind. I have a 100% record when i have ignored the result and waited for the extended highlights on sky which is what i am doing tonight. Villa 4 - 2 Arse. Gabby x2 Bannan and Dunne.
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I've changed my mind - we'll be 2-0 down at half-time, then Santa will ''drop'' in at VP, then we'll proceed to batter them in the second half and come out 3-2 winners.....sound familar?
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Can't see us scoring. Can't see us keeping a clean sheet. It is very depressing. For the first time in 25 years of going to Villa, I am seriously questioning if I can be arsed to go tonight. And that's the most depressing thing of all.
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Can't see us scoring. Can't see us keeping a clean sheet. It is very depressing. For the first time in 25 years of going to Villa, I am seriously questioning if I can be arsed to go tonight. And that's the most depressing thing of all.
I'll go, but need to wrap Christmas presents up first. Not sure which i'll find more exciting.
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We are 4/1 to win. Big odds for us as the home team.
We might be playing poor but I'm having some of that.
We're 12-1 to win 1-0 basically means there's no chance of it happening!
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It's going to be tough with the players we have out tonight so we need the fans to get behind the team. I just hope the players respond by working the opposition keeper and by putting in the effort. Anything like Man Utd, Spurs or Liverpool and it could be a long night. It really is up to them.
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0-6, followed by 0-3 against Stoke, followed by the Eck apologists[why????] spouting more drivel as Villa sink towards Blackburn, and then when we drift aimlessly to the land of the noses, unless they pass us going up, Eck will have attained his immortality, 3 relegations 4?years., a CV to be truly proud of!!
Just had an email from Villa direct, 50% off many items, Heskey anyone?
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Anything could happen tonight. The magic of christmas.
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Anything could happen tonight. The magic of christmas.
Like Santa parachuting in and transforming the game in our favour...
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Anything could happen tonight. The magic of christmas.
Like Santa parachuting in and transforming the game in our favour...
Clean sheet and a Gabby hat trick, free pies and piss at half time.....
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About to set off and can't remember feeling less enthusiastic about going to see us play (according to McLeish) one of the giants of the game. Maybe I'll break the boredom by laughing at some of their comedy hair cuts.
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About to set off as well. More out of habit than anything else.
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Well I'm about to set off to watch Ajax v AZ, so I can for once avoid the 90 minute torture that is us of late. I may even skip the score until I get home.
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The bastards are showing it live here on cable. Bugger!
2-1 Villa win.
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On the day my son was born in 2007 we beat boro 3-0 at their place. My daughter to be is currently being coaxed out, I hope she brings similar luck.
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Its more depressing reading this than watching the match.
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Chicken Goujon
Hutton (dressed as mutton)
(Over-)Dunne
Err...meat references wearing thin now...
Cuellar
Warnock
Albrighton
Petrov
Clark
Ireland
N'Zogbia
Agbonlahor
Subs: Marshall, Delph, Bannan, Fonzy, and whoever else is fit
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Chicken Goujon
Hutton (dressed as mutton)
(Over-)Dunne
Err...meat references wearing thin now...
Cuellar
Warnock
Albrighton
Petrov
Clark
Ireland
N'Zogbia
Agbonlahor
Subs: Marshall, Delph, Bannan, Fonzy, and whoever else is fit
I like that line up, but maybe switching Ireland for Bannan. That gives us a decent chance to get up the field quickly and with Gab running freely and frequently as a lone striker it could really stretch out their defense. I just hope we make an effort. If we look sub-par for only the first 10 minutes Arsenal will make us pay.
please, something.
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On the day my son was born in 2007 we beat boro 3-0 at their place. My daughter to be is currently being coaxed out, I hope she brings similar luck.
Pff!!! All mine were born a few months before a Villa Cup Final.
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VILLA: Guzan, Hutton, Dunne, Cuellar, Warnock; Petrov, Clark, Ireland; Albrighton, N’Zogbia, Agbonlahor.
Subs: Marshall, Delfouneso, Weimann, Bannan, Collins, Delph, Williams.
Presumably Collins injured, though on the bench, rather than dropped?
Interesting that Ireland starts ahead of Bannan. I thought Bannan was poor at the weekend.
About as good a side as we could pick I reckon, but still won't be good enough I suspect.
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That team looks better good to see Cuellar starting and the biggest oaf in our defence dropped.
Now let's see if there is any sort of attacking intent for a change.
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Also like to see Gabby up top on his own against these guys he tore them apart at the Emirates a few seasons ago.
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We do seem to chop and change our midfield a lot don't we. It must be hard to get into any sort of rhythm, which can't help.
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Blimey, that's a young bench. Based on what's available that's a decent line up though. We have to go at them and Gabby has proven himself very capable up top on his own. They need to believe. We need to believe.
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No complaints about that team selection -lets have a go and if we do get beat at least show some pride rather than lie down and let them walk over us-bring it on!
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Who's Williams? I did think Sam Williams at first but surely he left ages ago.
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That's certainly quite an attacking team we are putting out.
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Derrick, apparently. I think he's a centre back. Not sure what's happened to Baker?
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That's certainly quite an attacking team we are putting out.
Is it? 433, with Clark in midfield. Less attacking than the weekend, where we played 4 attacking players surely?
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It might be a forced hand but that's a positive line up. Good choices. Clark and Cueller deserve game time, and if we're ever gonna see the best of Ireland, then surely we need to give him a few games. I don't think his work ethic has been a problem this season or no doubt, we'd have heard from him, and he'd certainly have a moan himself. It seems like he's getting on with things so lets give him some game time.
Gabby up top on his own is a good move. With how poor we've been I don't think we can carry Bent at the moment. If we're not gonna get him the service he needs, there's no point.
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Apart from Ireland in and Bannan out - a good side. Carlos and Clacker should put a bit of resolve in the team. AM has been reading this forum.
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On the basis that Liverpool should have beaten us 6-0 I will take anything less than a 5-0 defeat as an improvement.
Biggest Villa talking point will be what McLeish says after the game. If he uses the word "giant" again he can expect the undercurrent of resentment towards him to become a torrent.
The one thing he had been getting right and it was the only thing was his ability to avoid fan inflaming gaffes. He even bolloxed that up last Sunday.
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What's all this fuss about the 'giant' comment? Seems like a storm in a tea cup to me.
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Interesting team to be honest . Great to see Cuellar and Clark in there . Big game for Ireland and the pace of Nz , Albrighton and Gabby . with Heskey out it looks 10 times better
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Great opportunity for Ireland to cement a place in the team a good performance & he'll get a run in the side, usual no show & he's out the door in Jan.
Come on you Villa boys!!
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It might be a forced hand but that's a positive line up. Good choices. Clark and Cueller deserve game time, and if we're ever gonna see the best of Ireland, then surely we need to give him a few games. I don't think his work ethic has been a problem this season or no doubt, we'd have heard from him, and he'd certainly have a moan himself. It seems like he's getting on with things so lets give him some game time.
Gabby up top on his own is a good move. With how poor we've been I don't think we can carry Bent at the moment. If we're not gonna get him the service he needs, there's no point.
Maybe Ireland's such a lazy twat he can't even be bothered to moan to the papers
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Amc seems to be listening. He has put out some attacking LOOKING teams lately but we still sit so deep. Watching replay of Arsenal v Man City atm and boy it is quick and positive in comparison with us. Two hours behind most of you and am waiting for the live game here ( South Africa). Personally want AMc out for obvious but God I hope we do not embarrass ourselves. Love to see Gardner for a cameo at least.
Just go and FIGHT Villa. Give us something to shout about FGS. Pass and run. Respect to those going and supporting the team. Must be bloody cold for you blokes.
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That's certainly quite an attacking team we are putting out.
Is it? 433, with Clark in midfield. Less attacking than the weekend, where we played 4 attacking players surely?
I would say so. Granted Clark in for Delph is quite defensive, but if you are going to play Ireland, Albrighton and N'Zogbia in the same team then you could do this without it necessarily being cynical.
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Amc seems to be listening. He has put out some attacking LOOKING teams lately but we still sit so deep.
That's my worry as well. We are putting a lot of attacking players out there tonight so I'd expect us to give it a go, but it wouldn't surprise me to see all the players behind the ball the whole game.
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Derrick, apparently. I think he's a centre back. Not sure what's happened to Baker?
Baker & Lowry are at Millwall on loan. I'd imagine either could be called back if required.
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Us: nil
Them: a lot
Sighs.
Really pleased to be proved wrong.