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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Handsworth Wood Villa on December 16, 2011, 07:04:19 PM
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Adrian Durham suggested on talkSPORT that Arsenal should change their name to London Arsenal.
He got this idea from the Champions League draw today. The UEFA guy pulled open the ball and said "Arsenal London."
His reasons being that Arsenal are the biggest club in London, have the most fans in London, have the biggest stadium, have the richest history, have won the most trophies etc.
The Arsenal fans seem to think it's a good idea and it would give the club a great marketing boost overseas.
Those same reasons apply to us and the City of Birmingham.
Being the city's no.1 club, surely we should carry the name of the City.
As the famous Holte End chant goes - the City is ours.
And as another Holte End chant goes - we're the Pride of Birmingham.
Did the club miss a trick by letting Small Heath get in there first all those years ago?
Also, a lot of foreign football fans probably don't know that we are from Birmingham.
So this could boost the profile of the club and also the City of Birmingham.
However it would sound weird.
So how about Aston Villa of Birmingham FC?
Or just Aston Villa Birmingham FC?
Or we could rename Villa Park as the City of Birmingham Stadium?
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No.
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Not in a million fucking years.
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Fuck that.
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got as far as adrian durham
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Adrian Durham....
Say no more.
Thinking about what he says messes with your head. Ignore.
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We have the best name in football why change it?
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No
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Why would anyone possibly ask this question ?
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How about "Aston Villa of Birmingham" ?
It has a "Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim" ring to it.
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What bollocks.
That's a double no
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No.
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I'd rather eat my own c*ck..
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got as far as adrian durham
...and me.
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Stupid question!
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Why would we want something that we have already given away. when small heath changed there name they had to get our permission to use the name of the city.
Thank fuck we allowed them and kept our most beautiful name
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Not a chance in hell
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Load of shite, we are Aston Villa that is our history.
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I'd rather eat my own c*ck..
Sums it up perfectly.
Is this the worst question ever asked on this site?
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TRS-T: you may be well-meaning yet naive. Do you work for Mike Ashley or are you a Bluenose or some similar kinda c**t? As mentioned above, Aston Villa is the best, most poetic, symmetrical, perfect name. OK we cannot challenge for a trophy to save our lives, but hope springs eternal and we will never be some vague City or Rovers Or United.
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This thread is more bizarre than the various Richard Dunne appreciation threads. I didn't think it could happen but it did.
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holy cow. Can we just shut down this thread. There really is nothing to consider. We are Aston Villa. As the kids say - end of.
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Don't feed the troll. Is there a post TRS-T has made which wasn't designed for optimum controversy?
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lol, who voted 'yes'?
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designed for optimum controversy?
I'd like that on my headstone.
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Yes please, mods. You deserve a great Friday night out 8 days before Chrimbo more than any Villa player or coach, but when you get back please take this thread down.
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Wot a load of bollox!
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NO
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lol, who voted 'yes'?
TRS-T? Just a hunch.
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It's an appalling idea but fair play to you for asking the question.
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Does 'fair play to you for asking the question', perhaps with a jaunty LOL, really mean 'I do not seriously expect you to survive the walk from the Holte End to Aston station next Sunday circa 4pm' ? :-)
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lol, who voted 'yes'?
TRS-T? Just a hunch.
Nope :)
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Has any club changed its name in recent years? Apart from MK Don's (spit)
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lol, who voted 'yes'?
TRS-T? Just a hunch.
Nope :)
38 votes, 34 replies. You have at least one friend! :)
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MK Don's Spit? Yet another new name? Who is Don of Fishermead or Wolverton? And why is his phlegm noteworthy? Does he wish he had been christened Hadjuk?
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MK Don's Spit? Yet another new name? Who is Don of Fishermead or Wolverton? And why is his phlegm noteworthy? Does he wish he had been christened Hadjuk?
3 spiders and a jar of jam.
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Ah. Just so. Wise words, young Skywalker namesake.
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A waste of electricity. Move along.
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Fuck off!
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Non merci .
We are Aston Villa, always have been, always will be Mr Durham.
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I'm an outsider, and have just voted no.
Whoever has voted yes is a WUM on a fishing trip, and / or a Birmingham fan. ::)
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Has any club changed its name in recent years? Apart from MK Don's (spit)
Leicester?
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Last time I checked they were still called Leicester City.
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No way.
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I'd still like to know who thinks this is a good idea and why apart from TRS-T!
The votes are there!
It's an open forum. Honestly, I would really like to know.
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Last time I checked they were still called Leicester City.
I'm sure that they were called Leicester Foss until only a few years ago.
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Has any club changed its name in recent years? Apart from MK Don's (spit)
Leicester?
????????? ???
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Last time I checked they were still called Leicester City.
I'm sure that they were called Leicester Foss until only a few years ago.
1919.
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Last time I checked they were still called Leicester City.
I'm sure that they were called Leicester Foss until only a few years ago.
1919.
Okay I must have misheard that story on Sky Sports News ???
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Changing names - the master, Tom Paxton, after 'I am changing my name to Chrysler' came out with this about the roots of the current financial crisis:
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Last time I checked they were still called Leicester City.
I'm sure that they were called Leicester Foss until only a few years ago.
1919.
Okay I must have misheard that story on Sky Sports News ???
I think they were considering changing it back fairly recently (to my ageing brain, *anything* in the last 20 years counts as recent) but it wasn't a welcome proposal as I recall.
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Absolutely not, it wouldn't serve any beneficial purpose.
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Why name change ?
If anyone who know their football or live in Britain or educated. They would know Aston Villa is from Birmingham. Who care about some unknown in Thailand or Cairo if they doesn't know where Aston Villa come from ?
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lol, who voted 'yes'?
TRS-T? Just a hunch.
Nah, the poll gathered 30 'no's before the one 'yes'.
Two yes now!
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I'd still like to know who thinks this is a good idea and why apart from TRS-T!
The votes are there!
It's an open forum. Honestly, I would really like to know.
lol, who voted 'yes'?
TRS-T? Just a hunch.
Nope :)
38 votes, 34 replies. You have at least one friend! :)
lol, who voted 'yes'?
TRS-T? Just a hunch.
Nah, the poll gathered 30 'no's before the one 'yes'.
Two yes now!
Guess we will never know...
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I'd still like to know who thinks this is a good idea and why apart from TRS-T!
The votes are there!
It's an open forum. Honestly, I would really like to know.
Thats the trouble with the internet at times, when running a website and someone puts up a poll, you always get the clowns (usually with duplicate accounts or with their little clique) voting for something that is so totally out, just for devilment. To be honest, unless the voters are prepared to come forward and give legitimate reasoning for their vote, then the votes should be discounted as simply "wind up merchants" or "spoilers!" Unless, (or at least until when!) football clubs are "franchized" out to private companies, then why on earth would their team names need to be changed??? Bring on FC Dulux V Andrex Wanderers, etc. Load of bollocks in my opinion!
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Not for me thanks
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NO NO NO
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F**k NO!! We are Aston Villa Football Club, the best named club in world football.
Made my stomach churn thinking about it!!!!!
Eck would probably vote yes, easier in interviews in case he forgot! Gross.
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Don't be stupid, NO.
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NO
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Nay,Nay and thrice Nay.
Though with the influx of American owners into the Premier League I am worried that we will be forced down the NFL style name change...
A la Green Bay Packers how about Aston Hall Aborealogists? Lozells Road Rioters? Aston Clarets? Gravelly Hill Stray Dogs?
Over to you
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NO
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Congratulations.
With just two weeks to go to the end of the year it looks like you have blown all the competiton out the water to run away with the "Most bloody stupid suggestion on H & V in 2011" award.
An award I had an eye on myself when I was planning to start a thread to re-instate David O'Leary as team manager with Steve Hodge as his assistant.
Sir, I concede to your obviously superior lunacy.
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WTF. Just got out of bed and found this thread.
I'll go back to bed now and hopefully wake up in the real world.
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No.
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Would make tattoos too long...
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I think the OP should take some time to read up on the history of the parish of Aston and the formation of what we now regard as Birmingham.
A silly proposal but probably one born out of a position of ignorance.
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How about no...
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Congratulations.
With just two weeks to go to the end of the year it looks like you have blown all the competiton out the water to run away with the "Most bloody stupid suggestion on H & V in 2011" award.
Agreed. Never ever, can't believe question was even asked..!!!!
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Congratulations.
With just two weeks to go to the end of the year it looks like you have blown all the competiton out the water to run away with the "Most bloody stupid suggestion on H & V in 2011" award.
Agreed. Never ever, can't believe question was even asked..!!!!
he still got 70 odd replies and 5 pages, and we are still counting !
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Just logged on and spotted this. What a load of bollocks. Why on earth would anyone even think of suggesting changing one of the most iconic club names in the entire history of football. Beggars belief.
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Why not drop the name of the city and call it Aston Villa? It would make far more sense.
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“There’s an aura about this club, a sense of history and tradition. Even the name is beautifully symmetrical, with five letters in each word.” - John Gregory.
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No. No. And thrice no.
Is it too late to make a nomination for most pointless thread of the year?
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4 votes FOR the name change? Yet not a single post to give their reasoning?
Mmmmmmmmmmm .... wonder why that is? ::)
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Loads of teams have changed there names though, but it was 100 years ago or so,
Arsenal, Man Utd, Birmingham City and lots more all started of called something different.
but this is a total non starter, and even Durham didnt sugest it for Villa , just Arsenal so they could highlight the London factor.
anyone taking the thread seriously needs to give there head a good shake, the original poster probably started it a bit mischieviously for reasons known only to himself. but its just developed into a novelty thread now
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I think we should NOT
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Last time I checked they were still called Leicester City.
I'm sure that they were called Leicester Foss until only a few years ago.
1919.
Okay I must have misheard that story on Sky Sports News ???
Do we have a quoted exchange of the year award? If so I'd like to nominate this.
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110% NO. For a million and one reasons . The one million and first being Tom Hanks wouldn't think we had a cute name anymore.
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I reckon the mods should name and shame the four heretics!
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I reckon the mods should name and shame the four heretics!
They should be `Clarksoned`- taken out and shot in front of their families. Or if you are against the death penalty, publicly flogged on the pitch before a home game at least.
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The polls are anonymous.
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If putting Birmingham in our name meant winning the European Cup and league title again, then would you want it changed?
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No on several levels. Mainly because we are a world famous club who do not need re-branding. A club who is in the top four most succesful teams in english football only needs current success. And lets hope that becomes a reality ......
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In the words of Capt Mainwaring, "Stupid boy".
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Even at my age I still get a chill down my spine when we are referred to as "The Villa" - loads of United`s, City`s, Towns etc but only one Aston Villa.
We are quite unique and I am proud to have supported "us" for almost 50 years !!
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This silly idea was brought up recently by the Birmingham chamber of commerce who suggested Birchfield Harriers (an others i.e the Villa) should include Birmingham in their name. They were trying to get in on the Olympic bandwagon.
As H&V's unofficial athletics correspondent I can report that they have been politely told NO WAY! Birchfield hope to have 12 for 12 (athletes qualifying for next summer) in addition to several officials already selected, including myself.
The council and the chamber of commerce want to be associated with us (both) to raise their image after the bad publicity last summer. We are the good news stories in the city and should be proud of that.
Birchfield are proud to come from Birmingham just as the Villa are but we don't need that in our name. Aston Villa is a name well known throughout the world of football. Most intelligent football fans know we come from Birmingham.
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In the words of Capt Mainwaring, "Stupid boy".
A catchphrase which he invariably directed at someone wearing an Aston Villa scarf.
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How about getting the City of Birmingham to change it's name to the City of Aston Villa?
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How about getting the City of Birmingham to change it's name to the City of Aston Villa?
Like it. I think at the very least everyone who works, drinks or mixes in any way with bluenoses should throw that into the conversation to gauge opinion.
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Why would we want something that we have already given away. when small heath changed there name they had to get our permission to use the name of the city.
Thank fuck we allowed them and kept our most beautiful name
I've never heard that before... have you got a link? Quite enjoy learning things like that to annoy noses with.
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I'd rather eat Walmley_Villa's c*ck.
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Why would we want something that we have already given away. when small heath changed there name they had to get our permission to use the name of the city.
Thank fuck we allowed them and kept our most beautiful name
I've never heard that before... have you got a link? Quite enjoy learning things like that to annoy noses with.
I'd be surprised if that were true.
Aston itself didn't even become part of Birmingham until 1911, but Small Heath became "Birmingham" in 1905 (and Birmingham City in 1943).
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Even if, technically, Aston wasn't part of Birmingham then, I think it was generally considered to be part of Birmingham. I remember reading that the Football League operated on a one-club-per-city rule when they first started which meant Birmingham St George's couldn't join as well as Villa. Had they joined, chances are Small Heath would have died out due to the competition of two existing league clubs in the city.
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Maybe change the kit to royal blue as well? Put the cooking sherry away, old chap
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I may be wrong but I'm sure that when we played Atletico Madrid in the UEFA Cup, the posters advertising the match at their place had us billed as 'Birmingham'!!!!
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I'm struggling to think of a single succesful club that has changed its name, unless they were forced to.
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I may be wrong but I'm sure that when we played Atletico Madrid in the UEFA Cup, the posters advertising the match at their place had us billed as 'Birmingham'!!!!
It was Aston Birmingham if I remembered right.
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I'm struggling to think of a single succesful club that has changed its name, unless they were forced to.
Newton Heath LYR FC?
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Definite no but am happy to have pride of Birmingham or something on the shirt collar or somewhere.
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I'm struggling to think of a single succesful club that has changed its name, unless they were forced to.
Newton Heath LYR FC?
They had no success whatsoever under that name, so they could change it easily enough. What I meant was no team that had already been succesful (thus establishing their name Worldwide like we have) would consider changing their name.
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"Did the club miss a trick by letting Small Heath get in there first all those years ago?"
All those years ago it was decided that the City needed a club with the Citys name, both Villa and Small Heath applied to become B'ham City.
Villa, back then, were the biggest club with the richest history etc, but it was given to Small Heath as they actually played in "Birmingham"
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Where have you got that from? I can't imagine we ever considered changing our name.
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Where have you got that from? I can't imagine we ever considered changing our name.
It was something my Dad told me years ago.
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I'd rather eat Walmley_Villa's c*ck.
No worries, there's plenty to go round ;-)
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"Did the club miss a trick by letting Small Heath get in there first all those years ago?"
All those years ago it was decided that the City needed a club with the Citys name, both Villa and Small Heath applied to become B'ham City.
Villa, back then, were the biggest club with the richest history etc, but it was given to Small Heath as they actually played in "Birmingham"
That is something I would expect a nose to say. No insult to your old man intended.
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Birmingham St George's
Which part of Brum were they based in?
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"Did the club miss a trick by letting Small Heath get in there first all those years ago?"
All those years ago it was decided that the City needed a club with the Citys name, both Villa and Small Heath applied to become B'ham City.
Villa, back then, were the biggest club with the richest history etc, but it was given to Small Heath as they actually played in "Birmingham"
Why didn't we just apply to become Birmingham Villa then?
Lots of cities have two clubs which carry the name of the City - Bristol, Manchester, Sheffield, Bradford, Nottingham (kind of)
Though it is interesting that neither Celtic or Rangers have Glasgow in their title, and I have always wondered why there is no London (City) FC
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Worst idea ever to be conceived in the history of the human race would be putting it mildly.
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"Did the club miss a trick by letting Small Heath get in there first all those years ago?"
All those years ago it was decided that the City needed a club with the Citys name, both Villa and Small Heath applied to become B'ham City.
Villa, back then, were the biggest club with the richest history etc, but it was given to Small Heath as they actually played in "Birmingham"
That is something I would expect a nose to say. No insult to your old man intended.
Think my Dad would be very, very insulted to be called that :'(
Can't remember the full story, was a long time ago, but the location of the teams was deffinately a deciding factor.
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With respect, that's the first time I've heard that one and much more knowledgable historians than I have never mentioned it.
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What about the story they had to ask our permission to change? Is there any truth in that?
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"Did the club miss a trick by letting Small Heath get in there first all those years ago?"
All those years ago it was decided that the City needed a club with the Citys name, both Villa and Small Heath applied to become B'ham City.
Villa, back then, were the biggest club with the richest history etc, but it was given to Small Heath as they actually played in "Birmingham"
Why didn't we just apply to become Birmingham Villa then?
Lots of cities have two clubs which carry the name of the City - Bristol, Manchester, Sheffield, Bradford, Nottingham (kind of)
Though it is interesting that neither Celtic or Rangers have Glasgow in their title, and I have always wondered why there is no London (City) FC
Can't answer that TRS-T, maybe they only wanted a B'ham 'City'.
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Found this on Wikipedia
At an Extraordinary General Meeting held in March 1905, director T. D. Todd proposed that, Small Heath being the only major football club in the city since Birmingham St George's had folded in 1892, the club should be renamed Birmingham City F.C. The shareholders were not in favour, though they were prepared to go as far as plain Birmingham Football Club instead. Even this was a step too far for some; one reporter referred to "the Small Heath club now masquerading as Birmingham".
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So no mention of any Villa involvement then.
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With respect, that's the first time I've heard that one and much more knowledgable historians than I have never mentioned it.
I have said I can't remember the full story, but back then to carry the name of your City must have been a prestigeous thing, and if 2 clubs wanted to do it there must have been a process of some kind.
My Dad obviousy got the story from somewhere too and I've no reason to disbelieve him
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Birmingham St George's
Which part of Brum were they based in?
I think they were Erdington based but don't quote me on it.
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With respect, that's the first time I've heard that one and much more knowledgable historians than I have never mentioned it.
Spoke to my Dad he can't remember full details as it was so long ago.
He seems to remember Birmingham wanting a team to carry the name of the City.
Villa, who were the biggest team with the best history, and many supporters said that it should be them, but it was offered to Small Heath, due to their location, instead. So there was no 'application process' sorry.
Villa would have taken the full Birmingham City title straight away, where as Small Heath took 40 years to eventually change!!
Lucky us eh?
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and I have always wondered why there is no London (City) FC
Despite having more than its share of tricky wide men, the City of London is lacking a football club.
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Wow. Four people have said yes.
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Aston was there long long before name Birmingham was invented. Just as everbody knows where Boca Juniors and River Plate come from the world has heard of and knows Aston Villa.
Great name great club all it needs is a great team.
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With respect, that's the first time I've heard that one and much more knowledgable historians than I have never mentioned it.
Spoke to my Dad he can't remember full details as it was so long ago.
He seems to remember Birmingham wanting a team to carry the name of the City.
Villa, who were the biggest team with the best history, and many supporters said that it should be them, but it was offered to Small Heath, due to their location, instead. So there was no 'application process' sorry.
Villa would have taken the full Birmingham City title straight away, where as Small Heath took 40 years to eventually change!!
Lucky us eh?
It certainly was lucky. I mean, imagine the complications there would have been carrying the citys name when we sell off Villa Park to move to a purpose built stadium at Bodymoor Heath on a nice big out of town retail park with convenient connections to M42. We will be in Warwickshire then not Birmingham.
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Wow. Four people have said yes.
It's 5 now and I still can't spot a post from any of them! Come on guys - own up
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give the guy his due, he's got some fucking minerals to put this thread on here...........but er your fuckin joking right?
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In the style of Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons:
WORST. QUESTION. EVER
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Where's the Fuck Right Off option?
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There a 6 people who voted yes. They either live in Rubery or they all all bluenoses holidaying on this forum!
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I've spent most of the weekend trying to come up with a cogent argument for changing our name. So here goes.....................
Erm........
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What a totally absurd notion, I cannot believe six have voted for it!!!
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What a totally absurd notion, I cannot believe six have voted for it!!!
Are you out there Compass?
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What a totally absurd notion, I cannot believe six have voted for it!!!
..... and still not a post from any of them with their reasoning! :-\
Joke votes! Nothing more ......
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Hopefully not whilst I have got breath in my body
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With respect, that's the first time I've heard that one and much more knowledgable historians than I have never mentioned it.
Spoke to my Dad he can't remember full details as it was so long ago.
He seems to remember Birmingham wanting a team to carry the name of the City.
Villa, who were the biggest team with the best history, and many supporters said that it should be them, but it was offered to Small Heath, due to their location, instead. So there was no 'application process' sorry.
Villa would have taken the full Birmingham City title straight away, where as Small Heath took 40 years to eventually change!!
Lucky us eh?
contacted Carl Chinn and this is his reply
"I don't think the Villa was ever offered the name Birmingham and I don't think anyone or any body could offer the name. Aston was a separate town until 1911, by which time Small Heath Alliance had changed their name to Birmingham City.
Best wishes
Carl
Think the key is "Aston was a separate town until 1911"
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God no, never never never
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With respect, that's the first time I've heard that one and much more knowledgable historians than I have never mentioned it.
Spoke to my Dad he can't remember full details as it was so long ago.
He seems to remember Birmingham wanting a team to carry the name of the City.
Villa, who were the biggest team with the best history, and many supporters said that it should be them, but it was offered to Small Heath, due to their location, instead. So there was no 'application process' sorry.
Villa would have taken the full Birmingham City title straight away, where as Small Heath took 40 years to eventually change!!
Lucky us eh?
contacted Carl Chinn and this is his reply
"I don't think the Villa was ever offered the name Birmingham and I don't think anyone or any body could offer the name. Aston was a separate town until 1911, by which time Small Heath Alliance had changed their name to Birmingham City.
Best wishes
Carl
Think the key is "Aston was a separate town until 1911"
The key is, regardless of the geographical status of Aston, Villa would never have wanted to change their name. According to Carl Chinn, Dave Woodhall and various others with interest in the club's history there is no evidence whatsoever to support your dad's theory that we wanted to change and Blues got one over on us by doing so.
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With respect, that's the first time I've heard that one and much more knowledgable historians than I have never mentioned it.
Spoke to my Dad he can't remember full details as it was so long ago.
He seems to remember Birmingham wanting a team to carry the name of the City.
Villa, who were the biggest team with the best history, and many supporters said that it should be them, but it was offered to Small Heath, due to their location, instead. So there was no 'application process' sorry.
Villa would have taken the full Birmingham City title straight away, where as Small Heath took 40 years to eventually change!!
Lucky us eh?
contacted Carl Chinn and this is his reply
"I don't think the Villa was ever offered the name Birmingham and I don't think anyone or any body could offer the name. Aston was a separate town until 1911, by which time Small Heath Alliance had changed their name to Birmingham City.
Best wishes
Carl
Think the key is "Aston was a separate town until 1911"
The key is, regardless of the geographical status of Aston, Villa would never have wanted to change their name. According to Carl Chinn, Dave Woodhall and various others with interest in the club's history there is no evidence whatsoever to support your dad's theory that we wanted to change and Blues got one over on us by doing so.
It's NOT my Dads theory, it's a story that he'd been told many years ago. I've already said he couldn't remember full story.
It's not a case of Blues getting one over us, They were offered the "title" but we thought we should have been offered it, as we were the biggest and most successful team in the region.
Back then it probably wouldn't have been such an issue changing club name as it would be now. This was 1905 so we'd only been in existance 31 years.
I'm pleased that we didn't.
As for evidence to support this story, I doubt if anything would have been recorded as it was never offered to us anyway.
So, maybe if we were around in 1905 we might have read or heard a snippet.
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With respect, that's the first time I've heard that one and much more knowledgable historians than I have never mentioned it.
Spoke to my Dad he can't remember full details as it was so long ago.
He seems to remember Birmingham wanting a team to carry the name of the City.
Villa, who were the biggest team with the best history, and many supporters said that it should be them, but it was offered to Small Heath, due to their location, instead. So there was no 'application process' sorry.
Villa would have taken the full Birmingham City title straight away, where as Small Heath took 40 years to eventually change!!
Lucky us eh?
contacted Carl Chinn and this is his reply
"I don't think the Villa was ever offered the name Birmingham and I don't think anyone or any body could offer the name. Aston was a separate town until 1911, by which time Small Heath Alliance had changed their name to Birmingham City.
Best wishes
Carl
Think the key is "Aston was a separate town until 1911"
The key is, regardless of the geographical status of Aston, Villa would never have wanted to change their name. According to Carl Chinn, Dave Woodhall and various others with interest in the club's history there is no evidence whatsoever to support your dad's theory that we wanted to change and Blues got one over on us by doing so.
Please don't take my word as anything other than that of an interested party. The era in question is one I don't know much about; all I will say is what I mentioned before - others who know far more than me, including the benighted Lerwill, J, have never mentioned this..
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We might as well call us Birmingham as witnessing that today it looks like they have stolen our shirts !
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Though it is interesting that neither Celtic or Rangers have Glasgow in their title, and I have always wondered why there is no London (City) FC
Both of the teams official names are Glasgow Rangers and Glasgow Celtic
And to answer your question, no, not ever, were Aston Villa and were proud
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With respect, that's the first time I've heard that one and much more knowledgable historians than I have never mentioned it.
Spoke to my Dad he can't remember full details as it was so long ago.
He seems to remember Birmingham wanting a team to carry the name of the City.
Villa, who were the biggest team with the best history, and many supporters said that it should be them, but it was offered to Small Heath, due to their location, instead. So there was no 'application process' sorry.
Villa would have taken the full Birmingham City title straight away, where as Small Heath took 40 years to eventually change!!
Lucky us eh?
contacted Carl Chinn and this is his reply
"I don't think the Villa was ever offered the name Birmingham and I don't think anyone or any body could offer the name. Aston was a separate town until 1911, by which time Small Heath Alliance had changed their name to Birmingham City.
Best wishes
Carl
Think the key is "Aston was a separate town until 1911"
The key is, regardless of the geographical status of Aston, Villa would never have wanted to change their name. According to Carl Chinn, Dave Woodhall and various others with interest in the club's history there is no evidence whatsoever to support your dad's theory that we wanted to change and Blues got one over on us by doing so.
Please don't take my word as anything other than that of an interested party. The era in question is one I don't know much about; all I will say is what I mentioned before - others who know far more than me, including the benighted Lerwill, J, have never mentioned this..
According to John Lerwills Aston villa Chronicles Aston was considered part of Birmingham before 1903. The district of Aston Manor was made into a seperate authority in 1903 which lasted for only eight years before becoming part of Birmingham again.
In the Sports Argus, (for 16th July 1904), Small Heaths President, Mr Adams, stated "Because Aston Villa are with the newly made borough of Aston Manor, they are no longer a Birmingham club ...... therefore Small Heath are the leading club in Birmingham."
The response from the Sports Argus was "Aston Villa will never cease to be regarded as the premier Birmingham club all the world over. As a matter of fact Aston Villa are more essentially a Birmingham team than Small Heath themselves"
Interestingly Villa were not the first team to play at Aston Lower grounds, the original name for Villa Park. Birmingham Cricket and Football Club played there.
William McGregor said of them "The club at aston Lower Grounds, which was dignified with the proud title of the Birmingham Cricket and Football Club, had a splendid meadow and indulgent patronage"
There's also a team picture after one of our early victories with the players lined up with a cup and the Birmingham coat of arms. I think there's enough evidence that Aston was part of Birmingham before the boundry changes of 1903
If anyone abroad gets interested in our club but doesn't realise that we're from Birmingham then thirty seconds on the net will educate them.
It's a unique name and should never be changed.
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Is the original poster Alex McLeish? From what I can see, he has taken that small club mentality to the proud Aston Villa. We should never, ever be afraid to compete with the best.
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Though it is interesting that neither Celtic or Rangers have Glasgow in their title, and I have always wondered why there is no London (City) FC
Both of the teams official names are Glasgow Rangers and Glasgow Celtic
And to answer your question, no, not ever, were Aston Villa and were proud
I thought that was just unofficial...
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For once, TRS-T, you're right. The Glasgow bigots have never had Glasgow in their names.
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Quite a gripping poll this isn't it? It could go either way!!
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We should change the name of (the city of) Birmingham to Aston.
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No No and thrice no! We were not part of Birmingham when we were formed, so why would we want to steal their name?
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No No and thrice no! We were not part of Birmingham when we were formed, so why would we want to steal their name?
Some would say that you're obsessed with 'them'.
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I reply to a post about changing our name to include part of theirs, so i get accused of being obsessed with 'them'. Dear oh Dear, is it really ME that's obsessed...
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I reply to a post about changing our name to include part of theirs, so i get accused of being obsessed with 'them'. Dear oh Dear, is it really ME that's obsessed...
Obviously.
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Give that man a big ceeeegar.
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No No and thrice no! We were not part of Birmingham when we were formed, so why would we want to steal their name?
Aston was part of Birmingham when Villa were founded. It wasn't until 1903 that Aston seperated from Birmingham and then it was only for eight years.
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So if we were ever to build a new stadium in the future, do you guys think it should only ever be built in Aston?
A lot of clubs don't play where they were formed e.g. Small Heath play in Bordesley, Milwall play in Bermondsey, Everton play in Walton etc.
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So if we were ever to build a new stadium in the future, do you guys think it should only ever be built in Aston?
A lot of clubs don't play where they were formed e.g. Small Heath play in Bordesley, Milwall play in Bermondsey, Everton play in Walton etc.
Isn't it about time we moved back to Handsworth then?
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I'd love to be able to go back in time and study Google Earth from 1874 - 1911. ;D
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So if we were ever to build a new stadium in the future, do you guys think it should only ever be built in Aston?
A lot of clubs don't play where they were formed e.g. Small Heath play in Bordesley, Milwall play in Bermondsey, Everton play in Walton etc.
Where a club's stadium is means nothing to the name of the club. I mean, Chelsea play in Fulham for god's sake.
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Is this a wind up?
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No No and thrice no! We were not part of Birmingham when we were formed, so why would we want to steal their name?
Aston was part of Birmingham when Villa were founded. It wasn't until 1903 that Aston seperated from Birmingham and then it was only for eight years.
Aston was not part of Birmingham in 1874. It didn't become part of Birmingham until 1911.
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(http://www.tothe92.co.uk/groundguide/images/pic/manchesterunited/old%20trafford%2019.jpg)
Villa Park Birmingham?
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The Home of Football?
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No No and thrice no! We were not part of Birmingham when we were formed, so why would we want to steal their name?
Aston was part of Birmingham when Villa were founded. It wasn't until 1903 that Aston seperated from Birmingham and then it was only for eight years.
Aston was not part of Birmingham in 1874. It didn't become part of Birmingham until 1911.
It rejoined Birmingham in 1911 after the boundary changes in 1904 made it a seperate district.
When we were formed Aston was considered part of Birmingham. As I posted in the previous page there is evidence showing this.
The Birminghams coat of arm was used in a presentation to Villas retiring Chairman in 1899 and a team photo in 1887 has several players with the coat of arms
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Espanyol of Barcelona
Aston Villa of Birmingham?
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Fuck of off.
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We should change the name of (the city of) Birmingham to Aston.
Agreed.
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No No and thrice no! We were not part of Birmingham when we were formed, so why would we want to steal their name?
Some would say that you're obsessed with 'them'.
Or 'us' as he calls them.
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No No and thrice no! We were not part of Birmingham when we were formed, so why would we want to steal their name?
Some would say that you're obsessed with 'them'.
Or 'us' as he calls them.
We are not amused.
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So if we were ever to build a new stadium in the future, do you guys think it should only ever be built in Aston?
A lot of clubs don't play where they were formed e.g. Small Heath play in Bordesley, Milwall play in Bermondsey, Everton play in Walton etc.
Is VP not actually in Witton, not Aston?
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So if we were ever to build a new stadium in the future, do you guys think it should only ever be built in Aston?
A lot of clubs don't play where they were formed e.g. Small Heath play in Bordesley, Milwall play in Bermondsey, Everton play in Walton etc.
Is VP not actually in Witton, not Aston?
I thought that Witton was in Aston though.
We have a B6 postcode which is Aston...
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Espanyol of Barcelona
Aston Villa of Birmingham?
Espanyol of Barcelona translates as 'Spain of Barcelona'
should we become 'England of Aston'
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Espanyol means Spanish.
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Espanyol means Spanish.
Yes, the name has sense only if you think that Espanyol is an adjective. The whole name is Real (Royal) Club Deportivo (sporting) Espanyol, it stresses that is a Spanish club, whereas Barcelona is a catalan club.
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I don't for one minute think we should change the name but the point was made very early on in this thread that people from overseas rarely know where Aston Villa FC is from. We share this potential 'issue' with clubs like Everton and London clubs like QPR, Fulham, Spurs, who don't carry the name of their city in their club name. Who knows where Real Sociedad, Levante, Osasuna from the Spanish league are based? Probably doesn't matter but people from overseas (I meet quite a lot of them through work) often ask me what part of London AVFC is from.
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I don't for one minute think we should change the name but the point was made very early on in this thread that people from overseas rarely know where Aston Villa FC is from. We share this potential 'issue' with clubs like Everton and London clubs like QPR, Fulham, Spurs, who don't carry the name of their city in their club name. Who knows where Real Sociedad, Levante, Osasuna from the Spanish league are based? Probably doesn't matter but people from overseas (I meet quite a lot of them through work) often ask me what part of London AVFC is from.
No offence, but fuck people from overseas, who really gives a shit if they don't know where we're from?
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How about we rename Birmingham as aston . the city centre was originally within the parish of aston (as was small heath)
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I don't for one minute think we should change the name but the point was made very early on in this thread that people from overseas rarely know where Aston Villa FC is from. We share this potential 'issue' with clubs like Everton and London clubs like QPR, Fulham, Spurs, who don't carry the name of their city in their club name. Who knows where Real Sociedad, Levante, Osasuna from the Spanish league are based? Probably doesn't matter but people from overseas (I meet quite a lot of them through work) often ask me what part of London AVFC is from.
What, you mean there's no such place as Sociedad, Levante or Osasuna.?
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I don't for one minute think we should change the name but the point was made very early on in this thread that people from overseas rarely know where Aston Villa FC is from. We share this potential 'issue' with clubs like Everton and London clubs like QPR, Fulham, Spurs, who don't carry the name of their city in their club name. Who knows where Real Sociedad, Levante, Osasuna from the Spanish league are based? Probably doesn't matter but people from overseas (I meet quite a lot of them through work) often ask me what part of London AVFC is from.
To be fair, when you tell quite a lot of foreigners you're from England, the only city they know of is London. Changing the club's name to include Birmingham wouldn't help.
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(http://www.tothe92.co.uk/groundguide/images/pic/manchesterunited/old%20trafford%2019.jpg)
Villa Park Birmingham?
This is what needs to be done.
Legion's suggestion of "The Home of Football" would look great, too.
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I don't for one minute think we should change the name but the point was made very early on in this thread that people from overseas rarely know where Aston Villa FC is from. We share this potential 'issue' with clubs like Everton and London clubs like QPR, Fulham, Spurs, who don't carry the name of their city in their club name. Who knows where Real Sociedad, Levante, Osasuna from the Spanish league are based? Probably doesn't matter but people from overseas (I meet quite a lot of them through work) often ask me what part of London AVFC is from.
To be fair, when you tell quite a lot of foreigners you're from England, the only city they know of is London. Changing the club's name to include Birmingham wouldn't help.
Just after he'd signed his contract with Newcastle, Faustino Asprilla asked Freddie Shepherd "Just one more thing, which part of London is Newcastle based in?"
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We've got the best name in football, what on earth would we want to change it for?
And who cares about a bunch of halfwits watching "EPL soccer" on their computers in Thailand and Singapore. If they can't be arsed to do a bit of research on Wikipedia then cobblers to them.
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Merse was going on about living 'in Villa' on Saturday when he was arguing that we are a bigger club than Newcastle.
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I don't for one minute think we should change the name but the point was made very early on in this thread that people from overseas rarely know where Aston Villa FC is from. We share this potential 'issue' with clubs like Everton and London clubs like QPR, Fulham, Spurs, who don't carry the name of their city in their club name. Who knows where Real Sociedad, Levante, Osasuna from the Spanish league are based? Probably doesn't matter but people from overseas (I meet quite a lot of them through work) often ask me what part of London AVFC is from.
To be fair, when you tell quite a lot of foreigners you're from England, the only city they know of is London. Changing the club's name to include Birmingham wouldn't help.
Just after he'd signed his contract with Newcastle, Faustino Asprilla asked Freddie Shepherd "Just one more thing, which part of London is Newcastle based in?"
My Spanish father-in-law, who is with us for the festive season, always seems to think that London and the UK are one and the same thing. Over the years I think he's finally coming to terms with the fact that Manchester is a city in its own right and not somewhere in North London.
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Unfortunately it is a NO from me but fair play for atleast asking the question and engaging the views of other villa fans.
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I agree that not many fans overseas now that we play in Birmingham but they know Aston Villa. So the problem being that the profile of Birmingham is what needs addressing not the profile of Aston Villa. Again, whilst the city of Birmingham is known Birmingham City are not. So again, adding the name Birmingham to an already faultless name is pointless. If the city of Birmingham needs help in attracting people than do something proactive as a city and don't live of our name.
i'm a proud Brummie and love my city and love being from Birmingham. I'll defend the place to the death. However, i don't love my city more than Aston Villa. It exists in its own right. I think given the fact that most people support Villa in Birmingham, most people overseas know the name Aston Villa it may be a better question to ask whether the city of Birmingham should change its name to Aston Villa.
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I've already said it's a big no from me. Problem is, if the football club that does carry the name of the city should cease to exist for any reason. Let's just say it goes bust or something like that. Would there be some pressure on us to do it then?
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I've already said it's a big no from me. Problem is, if the football club that does carry the name of the city should cease to exist for any reason. Let's just say it goes bust or something like that. Would there be some pressure on us to do it then?
No. Because they just form a company called `Birmingham City (insert year) Limited`, apply to FA to enter a team in the Midland Football Combination Division Two, and play games at West Hills paying the liquidator for the use of the pitch on a game to game basis. ;D
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Lets turn this question around:
Should Birmingham City revert to their old name of Small Heath?
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Aston Villa is Aston Villa, thats it. I am a non brummie although my Dad was born there because of a difficult childbirth and my Mum is a brummie through and through. I was born in South Warwickshire.
I have never ever got the idea of The Villa being a Birmingham Club. I allways thought we are bigger than that in a good way.