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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: dave.woodhall on December 15, 2011, 02:03:19 PM
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Something I've been thinking about today. Should the club make a fuss about the upcoming 30th anniversary or would it be going one step too far after what they did for the 25th?
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One too far for me
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One too far for me
Probably for me as well. There was a feel-good factor around the club five years ago which seems to have diminished somewhat since then.
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Yep too much for me, we had our moment 5 years ago and its time to move on. Its history and maybe we as a club need to start looking to the future.
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It's worth a mention on the club site and programme etc, but I think any major hoo-ha is a step too far.
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Not only a step too far but the 25th Anniversary took place when there was real optimism and enthusiasm about the club's future which I doubt would be the case next year, I think it would just serve to highlight how far away we are from attaining such heights. 30th is also a fairly non-descript anniversary anyway.
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The club has exhausted our past successes in recent years.
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As someone who wasn't alive during that period, I'd like their to be another celebration. 2006 was a great day and what's the harm in doing something similar?
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As someone who wasn't alive during that period, I'd like their to be another celebration. 2006 was a great day and what's the harm in doing something similar?
There is no harm in celebrating our history. At this moment though it will only upset modern day supporters, who see the current ambitions and attitude of the club.
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As someone who wasn't alive during that period, I'd like their to be another celebration. 2006 was a great day and what's the harm in doing something similar?
There is no harm in celebrating our history. At this moment though it will only upset modern day supporters, who see the current ambitions and attitude of the club.
Could you please, just this once, refrain from saying the same things you say on just about every thread?
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As someone who wasn't alive during that period, I'd like their to be another celebration. 2006 was a great day and what's the harm in doing something similar?
There is no harm in celebrating our history. At this moment though it will only upset modern day supporters, who see the current ambitions and attitude of the club.
Could you please, just this once, refrain from saying the same things you say on just about every thread?
Nope. Ban me if you have any problem with what I say.
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As someone who wasn't alive during that period, I'd like their to be another celebration. 2006 was a great day and what's the harm in doing something similar?
There is no harm in celebrating our history. At this moment though it will only upset modern day supporters, who see the current ambitions and attitude of the club.
Could you please, just this once, refrain from saying the same things you say on just about every thread?
Nope. Ban me if you have any problem with what I say.
With pleasure. Now perhaps if we can return to the subject in hand.
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Think we should, why not after all we are all proud of what we have done in the past. Need to remind people there was a Villa before Murdoch and that the star on the badge isn't a wandering one!!!
Not massive but enough to jog all our memories
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Ahaha! What a daft thing to get banned for.
Despite Iago's continued ranting all over the discussion board, I think he/she has a point. The mood is all wrong, while we felt we were on the cusp of big change back in 2006, currently it feels, for me at least, as if we are as far away as ever from success.
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I heard that the actual date falls on a Saturday and there was a move to perhaps have a bit of a 5 a side tournement amongst the supporters clubs with one or two of the former players involved. Playing it in Rotterdam itself was mentioned.
Sounds like a good boozy nostalgic weekend, we could have a H & V team perhaps.
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Ahaha! What a daft thing to get banned for.
Despite Iago's continued ranting all over the discussion board, I think he/she has a point. The mood is all wrong, while we felt we were on the cusp of big change back in 2006, currently it feels, for me at least, as if we are as far away as ever from success.
But should that be a reason for not celebrating? I don't think we should make too much of it because it's been done to death already, but saying we should keep quiet because the team aren't doing as well as they were seems wrong.
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Start the bus.
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I think we should celebrate our past - in a stylish rather than arrogant / manner - we don't want to be accused of harping on about it.
Like the McGregor event next week, we should revere our heritage; it's something that many other clubs cannot claim and we own it! We should remind our younger fans, our current owners and those potential fans out there that this is a great club, with real roots and a proud history.
(... just lacking a bright future, currently). ** smiley thing **
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Yes we should celebrate it as it will coincide with winning the FA Cup. Double celebration.
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I'd be against it. We got our "Proud History, Bright Future" scarves during that celebration didn't we? What would we get this time, "Past European Cup Winners, Future Delloite's Top 20 Richest Club"?
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A bit of both. Celebrate in a decent, honourable manner and come out and lay down the gauntlet for the future.
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Maybe, but nowhere near the same scale as the celebrations in 2007. Players' dinner and forum, something like that. We shouldn't completely ignore it, as that would be disrespectful.
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If its celebrated then the club should do it in a subtle manner. The scarves mentioned by Not3bad above have a bit of a hollow ring to them right now.
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I heard that the actual date falls on a Saturday and there was a move to perhaps have a bit of a 5 a side tournement amongst the supporters clubs with one or two of the former players involved. Playing it in Rotterdam itself was mentioned.
Sounds like a good boozy nostalgic weekend, we could have a H & V team perhaps.
I am planning a drive to Rotterdam with the old man who took me as a lad on the Villa coaches back in '82. Gonna suprise the old bugger and kidnap him in my camper. Will be able to a have a few more ales this time.
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I think the occasion needs to be marked in some way, but perhaps not at the same level of the 25th celebrations.
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Rather than repeating 2006, maybe we could still do something but a little bit more low key and personal.
The idea is to honour just one member of the 1982 squad at a time at each home game.
19 homes games, 19 players and staff, 19 individuals to walk out on the pitch.
I'm sure the players would appreciate it and let's face it, none of us are getting any younger or are we to wait until the 50th anniversary before we recall them again.
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Not only a step too far but the 25th Anniversary took place when there was real optimism and enthusiasm about the club's future which I doubt would be the case next year, I think it would just serve to highlight how far away we are from attaining such heights. 30th is also a fairly non-descript anniversary anyway.
Exactly how I feel.
The 25th anniversary celebrations also addressed what had been a 24 year slight by Doug.
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I heard that the actual date falls on a Saturday and there was a move to perhaps have a bit of a 5 a side tournement amongst the supporters clubs with one or two of the former players involved. Playing it in Rotterdam itself was mentioned.
Sounds like a good boozy nostalgic weekend, we could have a H & V team perhaps.
I am planning a drive to Rotterdam with the old man who took me as a lad on the Villa coaches back in '82. Gonna suprise the old bugger and kidnap him in my camper. Will be able to a have a few more ales this time.
Nice one, that's great.
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What they done five years ago was fantastic,to do it again is a bit small time,
after all were not Coventry or the blues.
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What they done five years ago was fantastic,to do it again is a bit small time,
after all were not Coventry or the blues.
Do they over do their European Cup winning anniversarys?
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To be honest, if a load of us can't remember 2008 in Missing Men, then 2006 is out of the memory!
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I agree with all those who think that the 25th, with the presentation of the players, the scarves, the gala dinner and all the razzmatazz, was a very special event and doesn't need to be repeated just 5 years later. This has nothing to do with the fact that the optimism of 2007 has disappeared but rather with the fact that you cheapen an occasion if you try to celebrate it too often. I would, however, mark the anniversary by inviting some of the players onto the pitch, not the whole lot but not too few either. Make it significant but not over the top.
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25 has a nice ring to it. 30 not so much. I think it can be done a bit more subtlly than the last one. An anniversary kit design or something similar might be nice next year. It's a mark of respect to give a nod the greatest achievement in the club's every few years but then do something special again at 50.
ps. off course I hope that by then we'll have won it again!
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no way! I am only just getting over the hangover from the 29th celebrations!!!
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Ahaha! What a daft thing to get banned for.
Despite Iago's continued ranting all over the discussion board, I think he/she has a point. The mood is all wrong, while we felt we were on the cusp of big change back in 2006, currently it feels, for me at least, as if we are as far away as ever from success.
But should that be a reason for not celebrating? I don't think we should make too much of it because it's been done to death already, but saying we should keep quiet because the team aren't doing as well as they were seems wrong.
Not in the same manner as 2007. For various reasons - 25th anniversary, Doug gone, hope and optimism were high, board were looking ambitious and this was a glimpse of the prize that we could attain under new management at the top - it was fitting that the 1982 squad were honoured in the way they were back then. Now it ought to be something more low-key, I dunno, an evening at the Holte Suite or something, with the players coming onto the pitch at half time during the next match. Presently, for me, a huge celebration like 2007 would feel like we were actually just existing on memories and not much else.
Obviously all the above is only my perception of the current state of affairs, but it wouldn't feel right celebrating that win in such a big way when things seem to be so uninspiring from the top down at the Villa right now.
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19 people, 19 games is a great idea.
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They should definitely do something but nothing as grand as the Sheffield United game. The 25th anniversary was much more significant as a number IMO and in the mood around the club.
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I get a bit embarassed, as a number of non-Villa fans I know have remarked that we always seem to be going on about the European Cup win (in a way that eg Forest don't). I feel similarly about England and '66 (or the world wars!)
But then perhaps I'm just a mard-arse
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25 has a nice ring to it. 30 not so much. I think it can be done a bit more subtlly than the last one. An anniversary kit design or something similar might be nice next year. It's a mark of respect to give a nod the greatest achievement in the club's every few years but then do something special again at 50.
ps. off course I hope that by then we'll have won it again!
50?! They'll all be dead by then, some us too.
Was anything done this year to mark the 30th anniversary of the league success?
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25 has a nice ring to it. 30 not so much. I think it can be done a bit more subtlly than the last one. An anniversary kit design or something similar might be nice next year. It's a mark of respect to give a nod the greatest achievement in the club's every few years but then do something special again at 50.
ps. off course I hope that by then we'll have won it again!
50?! They'll all be dead by then, some us too.
Was anything done this year to mark the 30th anniversary of the league success?
Nothing's ever been done to mark it except for the AVISA 20th anniversary bash.
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May not be the right place for this Dave, but, what are the details for the McGregor event? Still the 20th? Time?
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When's the next anniversary of Doug going? Can't we have a bit bunting out for that.
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Any celebration would just remind me how shit we are now...
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May not be the right place for this Dave, but, what are the details for the McGregor event? Still the 20th? Time?
2pm at St Mary's. There's a separate tread.
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Many thanks Dave.
Unfortunately, I'll be at Russell's Hall Hospital in beautiful Dudley, seeing a man about my heart problem.
Thousands on here could tell him what's causing it!
I hope the service and everything connected goes well. I know where my heart would really rather be!
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nah. 25 years is right. Not too worried about it not being the right time given our current, shall we say, low expectations, but it loses its impact if you do it every 5 years or so. End up like the manc's who seem to remember every anniversary yearly like its written in stone. Always remember their embarrassing kit thing when they all had the fake moustaches on.
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I really don't see the issue with doing something else. Why not? We've got nothing else to concentrate on, it's unlikely we'll be achieving anything even a tenth as significant anytime soon and we (still) have the honour of being able to boast such an achievement.
When Man City, Chelsea and Arsenal have won the European Cup it won't be such a magnificent achievement. But right now our name is up there with the very elite clubs. Make the most of it while we can, IMO.
Then again, I say that as someone who wasn't there to experience it first hand and will remain eternally envious.
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I wouldn't mind something low-key being done to honour Tony Barton.
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All we need to do is when we play Chelsea, Arsenal, Man City & Spurs all wanabee European cup winners. Is a video on the Holte end screen of Sir Dennis lifting the cup with the caption. ............ Look what you have never won.........
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I don't see where the club's current fortunes come into it. If anything it would be disappointing if the board decided against doing something simply because it highlights a current 'low'.
Something understated would be welcome and appropriate. I like the ideas of one player per game, and something for Tony Barton.
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Big celebrations would be in order for me,
we need cheering up and remembering what happened 30 years ago which will probably in fact almost certainly not be repeated in my lifetime would be OK by me.
believe me if we dont bother no one else will mention it,
i dont reallly care if people think we are going on about it all the time, they could be right, but they only say it cus most of them have never won it, anyway all the better if it annoys them, theres nothing wrong in a bit of self indulgent rejoicing.
so put the flags up and get the bunting out for me
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We may as well make a huge fuss about it... we've not got much else to celebrate.
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I think we've done it to death. Most of the players involved are part of the fixtures and fittings at Villa Park these days and are probably happy to have a chat about old times. I have the utmost respect for that squad and a mention in the programme would do for me. Why not ask the players what they think?
On another subject we are only a week away from the 41st anniversary of the epic League Cup SF 2nd leg vs Man Utd.
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I wouldn't mind something low-key being done to honour Tony Barton.
I think there were a lot of mentions for Mr Barton at a recent Holte Suite dinner. Ron Saunders and the cup winning team were there as well as Mr Barton's wife. It's on AVTV somewhere.
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If the idea is to deflect attention away from the shite we've been offered by a poorly run, badly managed playing side club, then yes its a good idea. However, its a little bit too desperate. Will we do it for the 35th? 40th? We won it, great, but lets enjoy our history not become like uncle Albert in only Fools and keep harking back to it as if we know its the best we've got and we can never aspire to it again.
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To mark the occasion why not rename the North Stand in there honour [it could keep the new name if it is ever rebuilt], ideas...
The Tony Barton Stand
The 1982 Stand
The Rotterdam 82 Stand
This would allow the anniversary to be marked but not cheapen it.
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I wouldn't mind something low-key being done to honour Tony Barton.
I think there were a lot of mentions for Mr Barton at a recent Holte Suite dinner. Ron Saunders and the cup winning team were there as well as Mr Barton's wife. It's on AVTV somewhere.
I'm thinking more like a statue or plaque, something permanent, in a few years no one will remember he was the manager who guided us to our greatest triumph.
And a nice ceremony to go with the unveiling.
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To mark the occasion why not rename the North Stand in there honour [it could keep the new name if it is ever rebuilt], ideas...
The Tony Barton Stand
The 1982 Stand
The Rotterdam 82 Stand
This would allow the anniversary to be marked but not cheapen it.
The Tony Barton Stand gets my vote.
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I don't think our current situation or peoples attitudes to it should have anything to do with a 30th celebration. I'm with those who want to do something on a smaller scale to 2007. The 19 people 19 games idea is as good as anything else I've heard or could come up with. And certainly some tribute to Tony Barton included somewhere.
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As someone who wasn't alive during that period, I'd like their to be another celebration. 2006 was a great day and what's the harm in doing something similar?
There is no harm in celebrating our history. At this moment though it will only upset modern day supporters, who see the current ambitions and attitude of the club.
Could you please, just this once, refrain from saying the same things you say on just about every thread?
Nope. Ban me if you have any problem with what I say.
With pleasure. Now perhaps if we can return to the subject in hand.
Have you really banned him for that? It's a public forum and I'd have thought he's entitled to an opinion however much he might irritate you.
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Yeah, nice rule, but I still find it a rather over the top, needless and pointless ban. The guy was just reacting to being "advised" what he may or may not post on a particular thread and I don't blame him for beign a bit annoyed. Why couldn't he just be allowed to have his say, regardless of how irritating a particular poster might find his views?
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We all know we're never going to win The European Cup in our lifetimes again so I believe that those players who brought the greatest club honour to Villa Park should never be in any doubt as to how much their efforts are appreciated by us supporters.
Remember these weren't highly paid superstars many of them were what some would describe as journeymen players who were part of an extremely thin squad making their efforts far more commendable than European Cup winners these days.
Also I don't care about the argument that marking these anniversaries makes us look small time. Who Cares what anyone else thinks about Aston Villa? I know it's a great club, but whether or not we're a "big club" is irrelevant.
What's important is the players themselves and to keep honouring these guys as long as they are living and breathing, because what they achieved is unlikely to ever be repeated at this club.
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to listen to a lot of you guys on here, you'd think the club had been celebrating it non stop since we won it 'done it to death' ? what once in the last 30 years !
the previous owner never hardly mentioned it for the most part of that, not even the odd photo hanging around the club to remind anyone,
if anything i would say the Villa authotiies have done a bloody good job to try and forget it ever happened
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Are we going to completely ignore the 10th anniversary of winning the intertoto? ;)
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Also I don't care about the argument that marking these anniversaries makes us look small time. Who Cares what anyone else thinks about Aston Villa? I know it's a great club, but whether or not we're a "big club" is irrelevant.
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On a serious note, there are two more anniversaries in 2012 that have never been marked yet are just as important in the greater scheme of things, namely forty years since we won the FA Youth Cup and the third division. Without them we wouldn't have had the other one.
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Let's celebrate the lot!
And in a couple of years it'll be the 140th! Now I expect a major party for that one, wherever we are.
I mean of course, wherever we are playing in the CL that year when The Date comes around.
While I'm here can I put in another vote for the 19 games and 19 people idea. But the main thing is to mark the anniversary. Great idea and will really irritate some Arsenal fans I know!
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Yeah, nice rule, but I still find it a rather over the top, needless and pointless ban. The guy was just reacting to being "advised" what he may or may not post on a particular thread and I don't blame him for beign a bit annoyed. Why couldn't he just be allowed to have his say, regardless of how irritating a particular poster might find his views?
Indeed. A complete and utter overreaction to somebody with a different opinion.
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I too would go with the 19 games 19 people idea plus when we play the four wannabes we have a picture of the team with the trophy on the big screen with "Look at what you haven't won" underneath.
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Yeah, nice rule, but I still find it a rather over the top, needless and pointless ban. The guy was just reacting to being "advised" what he may or may not post on a particular thread and I don't blame him for beign a bit annoyed. Why couldn't he just be allowed to have his say, regardless of how irritating a particular poster might find his views?
Indeed. A complete and utter overreaction to somebody with a different opinion.
It wasn't for that, as you well know. There are plenty of opportunities on here to say whatever you like, but a request was made to keep this thread on-topic, to which the poster in question said "No," and gave an ultimatum. Now, if we can return to the subject in hand....
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Of all the European Cup winners, we're the least known and celebrated. I get the feeling its seen as a bit of an aberration.
I too would go with the 19 games 19 people idea plus when we play the four wannabes we have a picture of the team with the trophy on the big screen with "Look at what you haven't won" underneath.
I'd go with this. Maybe add "Have you won the European Cup?" flashing around the hoardings.
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Yeah, nice rule, but I still find it a rather over the top, needless and pointless ban. The guy was just reacting to being "advised" what he may or may not post on a particular thread and I don't blame him for beign a bit annoyed. Why couldn't he just be allowed to have his say, regardless of how irritating a particular poster might find his views?
Indeed. A complete and utter overreaction to somebody with a different opinion.
It wasn't for that, as you well know. There are plenty of opportunities on here to say whatever you like, but a request was made to keep this thread on-topic, to which the poster in question said "No," and gave an ultimatum. Now, if we can return to the subject in hand....
The topic was asking whether we should celebrate the 30 year anniversary, to which the poster replied:
"There is no harm in celebrating our history. At this moment though it will only upset modern day supporters, who see the current ambitions and attitude of the club."
How is that not on topic? He answered the question, and gave his reason for it. The only thing you took issue with was the implied criticism of the club.