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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Shoody on December 13, 2011, 11:54:55 PM
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GarethRDR on VillaTalk has posted a list of every single Premiership player out of contract at the end of this season. Also posted rather long lists of players from Spain, Ligue 1 and Bundesliga.
I won't post the entire list as it must have taken him an absolute age to find and bring together (It's worth a look as there are a lot of players on there that would be worth a look). And he deserves a lot of credit for it tbf.
Think it's pretty fair to assume that freebies or about-to-be-freebies will be the order of the day for atleast the remainder of McLeish's reign with only what we sell being used to spend on new players and [more likely] wages.
Mods: Feel free to merge with Jan Spec thread if you want, thought it deserved its own though...but up to you!
Royston R. R. R. R. R. Drenthe
David Hoillet
Maynor Figueroa
Tranquillo Barnetta
and quite a few others.. also interesting to see the names
Diame
Guthrie
Gibson
in the list too.. All names we've been linked with recently, so shows we ARE looking this way for transfers (no surprise) or atleast the media think so (could be complete bull.)
Could make a relatively decent team from frees.
Given
Clyne - Dunne - Clark - Figueroa
Diame
Gardner Rosicky
Hoillet Gabby
Bent
Bench: Guzan, Baker, Stevens, Albrighton, Nzogbia, Bannan, Herd
Clyne will be a top fullback imo and McLeish has tried to sign him once or twice before.
Figueroa isnt a player I really like but he is better than Warnock and cheaper too. Experienced to rotate with Enda.
Hoillet will be a good player and I think we'd struggle to get him in as could go somewhere better.. Can play upfront and as he's young it would be ideal to rotate him with Marc as and when they fell out of form (expected)
Rosicky wouldnt be a favourite choice but he'd offer some experienced creativity in the middle and can always rotate with Bannan.
Get these in on the cheap in January or in for free in the summer and add in either Dann or Samba in the summer and get rid of Collins/Dunne and a decent Defensive Midfielder (maybe Diame?) but I would love Capoue of Toulouse and I think we'd have a squad capable of decent football, with good mix of Youth and Experience.
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Hoillett? Interesting.
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And he deserves a lot of credit for it tbf.
Yeah, or, you know, at least a friendly word of advice that it's just possible he's wasting his life.
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Must admit from the bits i've seen of him (I don't have Sky) I like the look of Junior Hoilett. Then again, I like the look of a few Blackburn players (Formica, Samba, N'Zonzi) but thats a 3rd of a side that's looked pretty crap for most of the season.
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hoillet does look like he might have that little bit more to come. the only bright spark in the blackburn gloom.
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Agreed i have liekd what i have seen of Hoilet
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Unfortunately in our current position there's no way Hoillet will be coming to us. Spurs, I assume.
The Bundesliga looks like the best place to go shopping. Pogrebnyak, Farfan, Olic, Pranjic, Barnetta and Van Buyten could all do a job.
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Clyne looks pretty good as well.
We could do with a right-back who doesn't get called up for GBH with every tackle he does....
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Hoilet is off to spurs I think Ive heard.
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There are some good lads on the list, the problem with decent Bosmans, though, is they expect big wages as there's no tranfer fee, the one thing we, as a club, are trying to avoid.
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Correct me if I'm wrong but wouldn't Clyne and Holliet cost a tribunial fee anyway given both are under 24?
I agree with Dave, players like Olic and Farfan on a free would be good business.
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Hoillet really sticks out from those names mentioned above - looks a cracking player!
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He does remind me a bit of Ashley Young.
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Diame & Hoillett would be good additions.
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Correct me if I'm wrong but wouldn't Clyne and Holliet cost a tribunial fee anyway given both are under 24?
Correct, so will protect the current owner club in January from being forced into selling I guess if nothing else. Holliet would be a decent addition but as others have said, fear he could be set for brighter lights than us.
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I can't believe Blackburn have let his contract run down like this - imagine the reaction on here if we had done that with Albrighton??
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Fair bit of dross there too.
Don;t forget we have Enda Stevens coming in January so I don't see another LB coming in.
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Diame is a possible signing , hoilet will look for a bigger club.
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Fair bit of dross there too.
Don;t forget we have Enda Stevens coming in January so I don't see another LB coming in.
I'm not as down on Warnock as some on here, so I'm OK with that for LB. If Stevens doesn't work out then we can look at it again and maybe in Jan/summer 2013 get a new LB, but for now and summer 2012 I think we have other priorities.
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I wouldn't mind seeing Hoillet, Clyne, and Drenthe at Villa Park would be good signings.
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Correct me if I'm wrong but wouldn't Clyne and Holliet cost a tribunial fee anyway given both are under 24?
Hypothetically, which would work out more expensive, putting in a Bid for either player in Jan or snapping them up at the end of the season and letting the tribunal decide?
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Hoillett comes from the same neighbourhood in Canada as me.Has pissed off
whole country b y refusing to play for Canada. Thinks Jamaica is a better bet for international superstardom.!!!!!! If he plays for villa i could love him and hate him at the same time like the rest of the squad.
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Hoillett is going to be top class, but he wouldn't come to us.
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Hoillett is going to be top class, but he wouldn't come to us.
You don't ask, you don't get!
There will undoubtedly be many takers, but the higher up the food chain he goes, the less likely he is to get regular first team football.
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Hoillett? Interesting.
His agent has no doubt been hawking him around a lot of other clubs. He'll know where he'll be going and I'm pretty sure the rest of us will in January when his new club will be announced ahead of the summer move or in the summer itself. I'd like it to be us but I'm not sure we'd be a more attractive switch than Fulham, Stoke, or Newcastle.
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Hoillett? Interesting.
His agent has no doubt been hawking him around a lot of other clubs. He'll know where he'll be going and I'm pretty sure the rest of us will in January when his new club will be announced ahead of the summer move or in the summer itself. I'd like it to be us but I'm not sure we'd be a more attractive switch than Fulham, Stoke, or Newcastle.
Trying to be as impartial as I can, I'd say we'd be on a par with those clubs. Wages will be the issue as Randy wants to control them better, so we'd probably be quite easy to outbid.
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Hoillett is going to be top class, but he wouldn't come to us.
Sad really when you think ashley young rejected spurs for us not so long ago.
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Unfortunately in our current position there's no way Hoillet will be coming to us. Spurs, I assume.
The Bundesliga looks like the best place to go shopping. Pogrebnyak, Farfan, Olic, Pranjic, Barnetta and Van Buyten could all do a job.
Olic is a player who I've always rated.
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Hoillett? Interesting.
His agent has no doubt been hawking him around a lot of other clubs. He'll know where he'll be going and I'm pretty sure the rest of us will in January when his new club will be announced ahead of the summer move or in the summer itself. I'd like it to be us but I'm not sure we'd be a more attractive switch than Fulham, Stoke, or Newcastle.
Are you mental? (winky effort)
I don't ever recall a period in my life when Fulham or Stoke have been regarded as more attractive options than us.
If Hoillet is as good as he thinks he is, he'll have a better calibre of club coming in for him and looking to exploit his contract situation than that pair.
Newcastle could be an option though, or the likes of Everton or Spurs.
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Hoillett? Interesting.
His agent has no doubt been hawking him around a lot of other clubs. He'll know where he'll be going and I'm pretty sure the rest of us will in January when his new club will be announced ahead of the summer move or in the summer itself. I'd like it to be us but I'm not sure we'd be a more attractive switch than Fulham, Stoke, or Newcastle.
Are you mental? (winky effort)
I don't ever recall a period in my life when Fulham or Stoke have been regarded as more attractive options than us.
If Hoillet is as good as he thinks he is, he'll have a better calibre of club coming in for him and looking to exploit his contract situation than that pair.
Newcastle could be an option though, or the likes of Everton or Spurs.
Disagree. Fulham finished one place behind us last season, are based in the capitol, play a decent style of football and are in Europe still (if he moves in January).
We on the other hand are on the way down (the league), aren't in London, play awful football and arent good attacking (not a good option for an attacking player) and have little hope of offering European football at all for the forseeable future. (unless he speaks to Faulkner and is drunk at the time).
Now im not saying we are poor compared to Fulham but I can see the advantages for a young (non-British) player who had probably barely heard of either club before moving here.
Newcastle are a much more attractive option at the moment (and it's probably at-the-moment that he's making his decisions).
Stoke... no cant see it.
The only thing we can offer ahead of these clubs is a great record with wingers (but those managements have left), a chance to play with a better calibre of player, big(ger) names like Bent, Given, N'Zogbia and Gabby (2 of which I would guess are rather unhappy atm).
Oh and bigger wages.. but thats debatable, depending on how much we want to bring wages down by.
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Hoillett is going to be top class, but he wouldn't come to us.
You don't ask, you don't get!
There will undoubtedly be many takers, but the higher up the food chain he goes, the less likely he is to get regular first team football.
Didnt put James Milner off ;(
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I can see him going to Newcastle or Spurs.
Everton will get Drenthe on a free at the end of the season, already has him for this season and think Moyes will work his usual magic and get him to stay at the end of it. I could even see Everton getting both Hoillet and Drenthe on free's.
Unfortunately I can see Spurs getting Craig Gordon, Gary Cahill and Junior Hoillet all for free this summer, which will be fucking cracking business.
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Wenger will get rid of Arseshaving and bring in Holilet . Be a good signing for Arse .
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Disagree. Fulham finished one place behind us last season, are based in the capitol, play a decent style of football and are in Europe still (if he moves in January).
We on the other hand are on the way down (the league), aren't in London, play awful football and arent good attacking (not a good option for an attacking player) and have little hope of offering European football at all for the forseeable future. (unless he speaks to Faulkner and is drunk at the time).
Now im not saying we are poor compared to Fulham but I can see the advantages for a young (non-British) player who had probably barely heard of either club before moving here.
The London factor gets overplayed. Would anyone opt for Palace or Brentford over us just to be close to the shops there? If they did, we'd do well to give someone so galactically stupid the swerve.
Villa fans more than most can put the boot into their own club, but neutrals/ potential new players might just as easily look at the set up, the stadium, the recent history and the players we have on the books and think -actually- that's not a bad move at all. Certainly from a Blackburn Rovers or similar. We might be an even more attractive option with a different manager, but that's an argument for another thread.
And not many people would have suggested Newcastle were a more attractive option than us in the summer. By the end of the season the thing might have gone full circle again.
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There were many a Shareholders AGM where we heard about the Bosnich ruling. I'll say no more than that.
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I would give my eye-teeth for Villa to sign Ivica Olic.
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All players out of contract have to film themselves crossdressing before they seal a big money move?
Might have given us more bargaining power with Barry and Young had we been able to enforce that one.
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Very detailed OP, but perhaps this should now be merged with the transfer speculation, hearsay and utter bollocks thread?
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This is what annoys me... I was banging on about Hoillet in the last window. This wasn't based on any scouting or actually watching the player (other than TV), just knowing what his contract situation was compare to potential talent. The sort of thing you'd imagine that any club would know...
Six months later he is hot property and out of our reach.
Surely a club the size of villa should be able to spot and "tap up" players of Hoillet's ilk?
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I would give my eye-teeth for Villa to sign Ivica Olic.
He may be the wrong side of 30 (i think) but what a cracking player and he runs non-stop. He'd be great alongside Bent.
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Was v.impressed with him when he was part of the Hamburg side that did us over there.
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I would give my eye-teeth for Villa to sign Ivica Olic.
He may be the wrong side of 30 (i think) but what a cracking player and he runs non-stop. He'd be great alongside Bent.
Hear, hear.
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Hoillett? Interesting.
His agent has no doubt been hawking him around a lot of other clubs. He'll know where he'll be going and I'm pretty sure the rest of us will in January when his new club will be announced ahead of the summer move or in the summer itself. I'd like it to be us but I'm not sure we'd be a more attractive switch than Fulham, Stoke, or Newcastle.
Are you mental? (winky effort)
I don't ever recall a period in my life when Fulham or Stoke have been regarded as more attractive options than us.
If Hoillet is as good as he thinks he is, he'll have a better calibre of club coming in for him and looking to exploit his contract situation than that pair.
Newcastle could be an option though, or the likes of Everton or Spurs.
My point is that we are no more of an attraction. We have publicly stated that we are trying to clear our wage bill and that inevitably means better players going. Hoilett will be looking to go somewhere with better career prospects. Why would that be us? Until last night, Fulham and Stoke were/are in Europe and Newcastle are looking for a European spot this season. We are looking to tread water.
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I guess that depends on how much kudos you attach to the Europa League.
If he's purely interested in that, B-lose would have been a more attractive option than the likes of Everton, Newcastle and ourselves this season.
Rather than a Stoke or Fulham, he might actually be a bit weird and want to play for a big club in a big stadium.
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My point is that we are no more of an attraction. We have publicly stated that we are trying to clear our wage bill and that inevitably means better players going. Hoilett will be looking to go somewhere with better career prospects. Why would that be us? Until last night, Fulham and Stoke were/are in Europe and Newcastle are looking for a European spot this season. We are looking to tread water.
Couple of points:-
1. The wages thing is more about shedding those that aren't contributing enough for their wages, such as Beye, Heskey, etc. Players we've sold such as Young and Downing have helped this, but the main reason they left was because they wanted to go.
2. Even during this, we've handed out some big contracts to what we view as the right players, such as Bent, Ireland and N'Zogbia. I'd bet Given is on a fair wedge also.
3. Career prospects wise, we can point at up and coming players like him we've signed and then gotten into the England squad and secured moves to the CL clubs. That argument may have less veracity as the record goes back to MON's time, but it's still there.
4. After 38 games, I'd expect there to be very little difference in league position between us, Newcastle, Stoke and Fulham. Actually, maybe Fulham will be a bit lower, but I think we'll see the other two and us between 7th and 10th.
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Chelsea are signing Cahill in January.
And I think Stoke will try to sign Diame in that month aswell.
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Lets put it this way, We ain't in Europe and we can't pay big wages. This against a good stadium, reasonable team and a long illustrious history. Which one do you think players would look at. in the past before Sky,PL and the CL I ould like to think we were a draw but now.........................."sigh"
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Good players on Bosmans = big wages.
I think we can safely rule ourselves out of a scramble for a bargain with our Board
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As I said previously, we still seem willing to pay high-ish wages to some players. If soemone offers him £80k a week then we're out of it, but for the right player I can see us competing at around the £60k mark.
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The players on the big wages need to be in the first 11.
Our problem has always been the ones signed on big money rotting on the bench like Sidwell, Ireland, Beye etc.
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I doubt we'd go to that amount. Ireland was the last gasp IMO. N'Zogbia is probably on a good whack but he came from wigan remember - they wouldn't have been paying him the earth. Given, given (heh) his age, again wouldn't have been on mega wages
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I would say Shay would be on 40k + given (sorry) he signed for City in the early stages of their takeover.
Bent must be one of our highest earners now?
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Spurs wouldnt give Hoillet 60k a week. He's a young'n im sure their wage structure would mean he'd be at 20-30k. I cant see them breaking it for Hoillet either as they're yet to break it for players like Bale, Modric and VDV. (i think)
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Modric was on around 25k a week when he joined Spurs.
I doubt Holliet is on much at Blackburn, maybe 15k?
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Lets put it this way, We ain't in Europe and we can't pay big wages. This against a good stadium, reasonable team and a long illustrious history. Which one do you think players would look at. in the past before Sky,PL and the CL I ould like to think we were a draw but now.........................."sigh"
It is all about present day.
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Lets put it this way, We ain't in Europe and we can't pay big wages. now.........................."sigh"
The amounts we pay to our senior players would be at odds with that.
Bent on 70k per week Given, Dunne, N'Zogbia, Ireland and Heskey on £60k per week. Most of the rest of the starting XI (and Beye) would be closer to the £40k mark. Not many of the clubs outside the top 4/5 can match that.
The challenge to us -and to other clubs- is to make sure we get value for that, and not have our best paid players on the fringes of the starting XI or outside the matchday squad completely.
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I doubt we'd go to that amount. Ireland was the last gasp IMO. N'Zogbia is probably on a good whack but he came from wigan remember - they wouldn't have been paying him the earth. Given, given (heh) his age, again wouldn't have been on mega wages
Ireland wasn't the last gasp as we signed bent after him, who's our highest earner. As for CNZ, just because he was at Wigan on what was probably a relatively low wage does not mean he won't be asking for parity with our better earners when coming here. I'd be quite confident he's on at least £50k a week.
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Isnt Bent on 90k a week and received a £5m signing on bonus?
No chance was Ireland 'The Last Gasp'. I'd bet NZogbia is on 50-60k a week and Given the same.
Ireland, Heskey, Dunne, Collins, Beye, Cuellar, Warnock, Petrov all need to go to get our wages under control. Which, incidentally would give us the new back four we all know that we need. (earning just under £21m a year between them). The only worry is what we will replace them with.
I still think we'd have a new Starting 11 if Houllier hadnt got ill.
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Isnt Bent on 90k a week and received a £5m signing on bonus?
Of course not. On both counts.
What on earth makes you think he would be?
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I doubt we'd go to that amount. Ireland was the last gasp IMO. N'Zogbia is probably on a good whack but he came from wigan remember - they wouldn't have been paying him the earth. Given, given (heh) his age, again wouldn't have been on mega wages
Ireland wasn't the last gasp as we signed bent after him, who's our highest earner. As for CNZ, just because he was at Wigan on what was probably a relatively low wage does not mean he won't be asking for parity with our better earners when coming here. I'd be quite confident he's on at least £50k a week.
50k max i'd say. I think with the moneybags years at Villa, a lot of people have lost track of what players get in the real world at other premiership clubs. MFH for instance had to halve his wages at least to go to Blackpool and we've all been moaning about paying Jenas' 40k wages, but at least he was player on the fringes of the england squad who was rated when he signed that deal, and we were paying arse like Sidwell more than that. There's not really much point the club moaning about the wages some of our players are on and then signing someone for the same high wages is there. Just looks like complete hyprocisy.
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I doubt we'd go to that amount. Ireland was the last gasp IMO. N'Zogbia is probably on a good whack but he came from wigan remember - they wouldn't have been paying him the earth. Given, given (heh) his age, again wouldn't have been on mega wages
Ireland wasn't the last gasp as we signed bent after him, who's our highest earner. As for CNZ, just because he was at Wigan on what was probably a relatively low wage does not mean he won't be asking for parity with our better earners when coming here. I'd be quite confident he's on at least £50k a week.
50k max i'd say. I think with the moneybags years at Villa, a lot of people have lost track of what players get in the real world at other premiership clubs. MFH for instance had to halve his wages at least to go to Blackpool and we've all been moaning about paying Jenas' 40k wages, but at least he was player on the fringes of the england squad who was rated when he signed that deal, and we were paying arse like Sidwell more than that. There's not really much point the club moaning about the wages some of our players are on and then signing someone for the same high wages is there. Just looks like complete hyprocisy.
You always need to take these things with a pinch of salt, but it was widely reported at the time that we were the only club who would match N'Zog's wage demands and pay the £60k. Everton and Sunderland were keen, but couldn't go to that figure.
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It was reported Heskey was on 50K when we signed him from Wigan in 09, so it's highly possible N'Zog could have been on similar a couple of years later.
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And yet when he pulled out of the blose deal the papers claimed they wouldn't match his 50k a week demands. As you say, pinch of salt. I have heard that wigan's top earners are roughly on about 35-40k a week so i'm not sure whether we would have added 20k on top of that given the "wages are a problem" mantra of the board.
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A quick google brought up a few hits, most have similar figures so I assume he is in the 50-65K range.
Telegraph in mid June
"N’Zogbia’s wage demands of £60,000-a-week have forced many suitors to wait to see if a stalemate forces him to lower those demands, but Villa, keen for a big signing to appease fans following the sale of Downing and Ashley Young to Manchester United, are at least willing to get close to that figure."
Express a couple of weeks later
"Aston Villa chairman Randy Lerner is prepared to meet Charles N’Zogbia’s wage demands of around £65,000 a week."
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yeah, well i don't believe any of those figures tbh. newspapers always add another 10k on their wages at the best of times. If we were paying N'Nogbia 65k a week then Lerner and faulkner should shut up about the wage bill.