Heroes & Villains, the Aston Villa fanzine
Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: brian green on December 10, 2011, 08:08:55 PM
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Not very high. Sunderland may scrape a few points here and there but I believe they have a Judas in their midst not a Messiah.
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MON's next job?
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I mean to ask the question more about Sunderland than O'Neill. I have a lot of respect for Sunderland they are a proper football club with proper football fans. I have no respect for O'Neill and they will be disappointed when he fails to live up to all the hype.
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I mean to ask the question more about Sunderland than O'Neill. I have a lot of respect for Sunderland they are a proper football club with proper football fans. I have no respect for O'Neill and they will be disappointed when he fails to live up to all the hype.
Indeed. I wish Sunderland no ill will and it makes me a little sad to be pleased to see them in this predicament as there are far worthier recipents of my ire but there you go.
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Why do people still find the time to blather on about Martin O'Neill. Get over it. Move on.
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Why do people still find the time to blather on about Martin O'Neill. Get over it. Move on.
This.
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My answer to the question - who cares? And what if Sunderland do get dissapointed? They'll get over it.
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12th.
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June 2038
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Sorry, that's my prediction of when we will finally have a calendar month without a thread started about MON.
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Sorry, that's my prediction of when we will finally have a calendar month without a thread started about MON.
You think this is bad. In the pre-internet world we went about forty H&Vs mentioning BFR after he got sacked.
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HE BOUGHT COLLINS AND DUNNE. ANYONE WHO WATCHED THEM TWO HOOF IT OUT FOR MOST OF TODAYS GAME WILL FEAR FOR SUNDERLAND AND REJOICE HE'S NO LONGER AT VILLA
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I know, I bought most if not all of them!
Wish I knew where a lot of my old H&V were. I'd love to know for sure when I started buying it. Earliest cover I clearly remember had a cartoon of Ugo on the cover pushing a couple of defenders out the way and saying something like, "first there was McGrath, now comes Ugo". But I had been buying it a while before then.
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McGrath bless the internet. Didn't take long to find an image of it. I was sort of close with the wording.
I reckon it was about 10 issues before this that I properly discovered fanzines and started buying the various Villa fanzines.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v436/EnglishPride2004/HVugo.jpg)
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John Mulcreevy. Whatever happened to?
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Apart from H&V I remember The Villa Bugle, Holy Trinity, Missing Sid, Witton Wag?
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Apart from H&V I remember The Villa Bugle, Holy Trinity, Missing Sid, Witton Wag?
There was also Witton Wisdom (the first one), Never Loved Ellis and Ellis Out, which if anyone saw it was the greatest fanzine ever.
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Ah yes of course, Witton Wisdom, I remember that now you've mentioned it. I don't remember Never Loved Ellis and Ellis Out at all though. Although I do remember saying it on the odd occasion!
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Never Loved Ellis lasted for a couple of issues and was edited by Simon Wykes, who tried to get an independent supporters association going as far back as 1991. Ellis Out was incredible. It was hand-written and photo-copied by someone who looked about 14. There was only one issue.
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I think Martin will be terrific for Sunderland, just terrific.
This season safety.
Next season, 'Martin O'Neill's Sunderland' will spunk a load of money on a variety of over rated players and finish mid table. He'll be hailed as a genius by Pat Murphy.
Season after that he'll walk.
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Never Loved Ellis lasted for a couple of issues and was edited by Simon Wykes, who tried to get an independent supporters association going as far back as 1991. Ellis Out was incredible. It was hand-written and photo-copied by someone who looked about 14. There was only one issue.
That would probably explain why I missed them then. I do seem to remember that apart from H&V most of others were very sporadic and it was pot luck if you walked past someone selling an issue as that was the only was you knew it was out.
I even remember when you could get H&V from a certain shoe shop in Oasis!
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Oh and for Davey as this is a hijacked Sunderland thread, I even remember buying a couple of Sunderland fanzines outside the away end donkeys years ago. Love Supreme and something with Chocolate in the title I think they were called.
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Never Loved Ellis lasted for a couple of issues and was edited by Simon Wykes, who tried to get an independent supporters association going as far back as 1991. Ellis Out was incredible. It was hand-written and photo-copied by someone who looked about 14. There was only one issue.
That would probably explain why I missed them then. I do seem to remember that apart from H&V most of others were very sporadic and it was pot luck if you walked past someone selling an issue as that was the only was you knew it was out.
I even remember when you could get H&V from a certain shoe shop in Oasis!
You could buy it from loads of places in town at one time. They've all closed down now.
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I'm still mates with the fella who ran Goody Two Shoes (I still avoid using people's real names on the internet!). Met up with him for the Norwich game.
Back in the day i'd meet him at Oasis and go to the game with him. Must admit, half the time I bought the issue from before we left rather than at the ground. I'm sure the first issue I bought was 50p, and now I think about it I definitely remember getting both of the H&V Best Of's from him.
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There was also a one-off (I think) fanzine produced by Anti-Fascist Action or Villa fans against racism and fascism. Worthy, but not a lot of humour as I recall.
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Oh and for Davey as this is a hijacked Sunderland thread, I even remember buying a couple of Sunderland fanzines outside the away end donkeys years ago. Love Supreme and something with Chocolate in the title I think they were called.
Wise Men say had one the funniest things I've read anywhere, about what's the most annoying takeaway anyone else can have on the late bus. It came down to whether you preferred the smell of fish & chips or the chance of being caught in the crossfire when kebab salad tomatoes were thrown around.
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Catching the last/night bus was rarely dull. Either full of nutters kicking off or nutters having you in hysterics the whole journey. And as you say, nearly everyone had some form of food. I'd hate to have been a the poor fecker who had to clean those buses at the end of the night.
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I have lot of time for Sunderland football club and their supporters. They are a proper club and their supporters are great. A couple of my lifelong friends are big Black cats. I have never wished any ill for them. That is until now.... now that they have a man in charge who surrendered in Moscow and walked out on us 5 days before the start of the season.
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Where did this Black Cats thing come from, I dont remember anyone calling them that when I was growing up.
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The black cats? I remember my friend telling me a very mixed and I thought contrived story about this especially as he was drunk. From what I remember they voted on this name when they left Roker park. It was either to do with a gun worker from the gunnery placed on the bank of the Wear or a chap who took a black cat in his pocket to th 1937 cup final.
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Where did this Black Cats thing come from, I dont remember anyone calling them that when I was growing up.
The official explanation from SAFC website (http://www.safc.com/page/BlackCatsNickname). Isn't the internet wonderful
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Anyone else remember Curse of the Dry Train? Brilliant fanzine.
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A couple of my lifelong friends are big Black cats.
That sentence has made my morning.
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A couple of my lifelong friends are big Black cats.
That sentence has made my morning.
And mine.
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Sunderland have been relegated a few times in the past, even with, on paper, enough quality not to. It's something perhaps, like West Ham, that hangs over their heads on season's of struggle. They do have a bit of the yo-yo about them.
But I do think they'll survive this year. O Neill will get money to spend in January. He needs a striker badly. Of course we know about his procrastinating, and chances are he'll sign a centre-back and then play him at right back, and a midfielder, and not play him at all, and ignore the fact he needs a front man...OR if there's a god, he'll sign Emile Heskey.
Actually, I'd fancy O Neill to take Delfouneso on loan, or cut price. IF he's willing to do business with us. I'd also expect Carlos to appear in a Sunderland shirt by January's end.
They'll survive though. In all honesty I think O Neill will probably pull off the January more akin to his first for us when he got us Carew and Ash Young.
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Anyone else remember Curse of the Dry Train? Brilliant fanzine.
I was a regular contributor to it and still have them all somewhere. There is a picture, in one of them, of DW purchasing one of them on an away trip by train.
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Anyone else remember Curse of the Dry Train? Brilliant fanzine.
I was a regular contributor to it and still have them all somewhere. There is a picture, in one of them, of DW purchasing one of them on an away trip by train.
Being given. I have a reputation to uphold.
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Anyone else remember Curse of the Dry Train? Brilliant fanzine.
Wasn't that Joe Jordans lot? Used to have me in bits at times.
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A couple of my lifelong friends are big Black cats.
That sentence has made my morning.
And mine.
my pleasure!
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Sunderland 0-1 Blackburn :)
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Looking at Sunderlands squad, I didn't realise just how many piss-poor players they have! Dunno whether they've got an injury crisis or just suffering the results of crap signings by Bruce, but that doesn't look too good. If MON isn't given much money then they may well go down. Would I laugh? Just a little. Nothing against the Cats, but it would be funny to see O Neill fall flat on his face. Still think he'll make a couple of standout signings and pull them out of it though.
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Sunderland fans booing them off at HT.
Love it.
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He's a genius, I tell you. A fucking genius.
Classic from Collymore on Talkshite:
"Whatever Martin O'Neill has got, he's got it!"
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Sunderland 2-1 final score.
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And the wankfest begins, it's already making me sick.
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;D ;D Fantastic stuff! Played them off the park!
HA'WAY THE LADS! ;D ;D
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;D ;D Fantastic stuff! Played them off the park!
HA'WAY THE LADS! ;D ;D
It was Blackburn.
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;D ;D Fantastic stuff! Played them off the park!
HA'WAY THE LADS! ;D ;D
It was Blackburn.
Yep, beat Wigan, Bolton and Norwich as well and you can then say you have a great manager.
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;D ;D Fantastic stuff! Played them off the park!
HA'WAY THE LADS! ;D ;D
It was Blackburn.
I know, but under Bruce our heads would have dropped after conceding, we would have capitulated and lost. Wigan, Wolves, to name but two recent flops! Big, big difference in our team today, even though Blackburn's gameplan was to sit back and absorb our pressure, rightly thinking we would be toothless, we still outplayed them, and i saw a huge improvement in confidence levels! We'll be ok, still plenty work to be done mind, but we aren't going down now in my opinion, MON worked his magic today, Bruce outcasts Bramble & Kilgallon brought into the side, McClean given his debut as sub, very exciting upon his entrance into the fray! Very pleased, only Blackburn or not, the signs are glowing positivity around us now, and thats the important thing for us! Onwards and upwards ........ ;D
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;D ;D Fantastic stuff! Played them off the park!
HA'WAY THE LADS! ;D ;D
It was Blackburn.
Yep, beat Wigan, Bolton and Norwich as well and you can then say you have a great manager.
After seeing the change around us today, i already know we have a great manager! ;)
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;D ;D Fantastic stuff! Played them off the park!
HA'WAY THE LADS! ;D ;D
It was Blackburn.
Yep, beat Wigan, Bolton and Norwich as well and you can then say you have a great manager.
After seeing the change around us today, i already know we have a great manager! ;)
Come back in 3 years. You got very, very lucky today.
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I'd still rather have MON over what we've got now, whatever his bad points were and I'll admit there were a few. We did at least win games, we may have played shit but we did win, now we play shit and get beaten.
I think the Black Ctas will do well and we'll all look on green with envy.
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;D ;D Fantastic stuff! Played them off the park!
HA'WAY THE LADS! ;D ;D
It was Blackburn.
Yep, beat Wigan, Bolton and Norwich as well and you can then say you have a great manager.
After seeing the change around us today, i already know we have a great manager! ;)
Come back in 3 years. You got very, very lucky today.
We gave away a very soft goal, and kept going. We were dominating a very defensive "only Blackburn" in a way i haven't witnessed us do to a team since the Peter Ried era! The two goals were great, Vaughan's was a corker. Without a doubt, they absorbed most of what we threw at them, but it was a better than average performance from a previously confidence sapped poor team, where our "luck" today was more than deserved. As a mackem, i would have felt robbed with only a point today. We worked hard today, and the biggest thing was that after conceding, we didn't give in / fold / capitulate, like under Bruce! Our luck is MON now being in charge Ozzjim, thats the difference in the team! He has stated he wants to be here for a long time, so I can't wait to see where he has us in three seasons, i honestly can't!
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Davey, he;s a good manager who will restore a bit of pride. The fact you'll reach 7th or 8th and that'll be that isn't what you want to hear tonight. But it's what will happen.
In three seasons you'll be 6th or 7th and feeling somewhat disillusioned.
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The fact you'll reach 7th or 8th and that'll be that isn't what you want to hear tonight. But it's what will happen.
In three seasons you'll be 6th or 7th and feeling somewhat disillusioned.
Wouldn't that be better than Sunderland have done for forty or so years?
I imagine that it's exactly what Davey wants to hear.
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Davey, Great Manager? I would reserve that title for Shankley Ferguson Clough Saunders Ramsey.
He ranks along side Allardyce Hoddle Hodgkinson maybe Moyes.
If he was great he would have done a lot better than 6th place with the resources he had at his disposal. Also Great Managers dont walk out on a Club in the way he did.
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Davey, he;s a good manager who will restore a bit of pride. The fact you'll reach 7th or 8th and that'll be that isn't what you want to hear tonight. But it's what will happen.
In three seasons you'll be 6th or 7th and feeling somewhat disillusioned.
I understand where you are coming from Rigadon! I hope and pray that one day i can actually be "spoiled" enough by my beloved Sunderland to be actually disillusioned in that manner! As someone has mentioned on a thread on here, we are still regarded as a bit of a yoyo club, so the disillusionment has been of quite a bit different nature for us! One serious trophy in my lifetime when to be truthfull I was too young to even understand what it was all about! I remember despite my second team affection for them, watching Villa more so in the early 80's, on TV with envy! Peter Withe, Gary Shaw, Tony Morley, winning game after game, trophies, domestic and European, in style, a lovely ground, fantastic strip, wishing one day i could see Sunderland do that. Sunderland then even changed their strips from the Red n White stripes to the nightmare and effeminate Le Coq Sportif pyjama strip, white shirt, red pin stripes, with very pinkish red satin type shorts. I still cringe thinking about that strip. It was the first Sunderland kit i refused to buy. That's disillusion!
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The fact you'll reach 7th or 8th and that'll be that isn't what you want to hear tonight. But it's what will happen.
In three seasons you'll be 6th or 7th and feeling somewhat disillusioned.
Wouldn't that be better than Sunderland have done for forty or so years?
I imagine that it's exactly what Davey wants to hear.
Spot on Dave, 7th place in today's competition would be an achievement in itself! For us anyway!
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It would be an achievement for all but six of the teams in the entire football league in the current climate.
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Davey, Great Manager? I would reserve that title for Shankley Ferguson Clough Saunders Ramsey.
He ranks along side Allardyce Hoddle Hodgkinson maybe Moyes.
If he was great he would have done a lot better than 6th place with the resources he had at his disposal. Also Great Managers dont walk out on a Club in the way he did.
Hi Hawkeye,
i think the managers in your first sentence are "extraordinary" managers to be honest, (should include Paisley and Busby aswell), but i take your point as regards to the others. We have had a lot of false dawns up here, the worst one for me was under Lawrie McMenemy. So when i class MON as a great manager, compared to some of the dross we have suffered over 4 decades of my life, Martin O'Neill to me, though he is not up against a great deal of competition, well, he is, a great manager.
And for the record, in my opinion, not appointing Brian Clough as Sunderland gaffer when he wanted the job, is the biggest mistake in our clubs history.
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Davey B, a question: is The Saltgrass still serving a decent pint?
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Davey B, a question: is The Saltgrass still serving a decent pint?
Aye mate! ;D Cracking little pub that!
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Pleased to hear it. It was a regular haunt of mine back in my student days and a real favourite. Also The Museum Vaults. There was another I went to that I really liked in Hendon, but I can't for the life of me remember the name. I usually went there with a couple of mates if the Third XI had had a game of football on a Saturday afternoon: a real spit and sawdust place with the same three old blokes at the bar. We went in once and landlord was out. The blokes just told us to help ourselves and put the money in the honesty box...
Less favourable mentions also to the Londonderry in the town - whoops - city centre, simply because one evening it kicked off in the there big time and the girl I was with never really forgave me and The Royalty, the sort of pub I hate but I spent far too much time and money in there because it was so convenient.
I spent a year living on Fulwell Road and whilst I was there, a friend of mine from back home came up for an interview at Newcastle Poly. It was the night you played Chelsea in the home leg of the Milk Cup semi-final. I met him at Seaburn Station and we went for a quick pint at The Bluebell before going back to the house. We finished our drinks and had walked about 20 yards down the road towards Roker when all we heard was shouting and the sound of the pub windows being put in. Chelsea fans were such a classy lot back then...
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What was that Holteenders magazined all about a few years ago? Think I brought a copy or two from the local newsagents!
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Davey, I know you are high on the win today, but realistically you struggled, and should have been 2-0 down against a very poor side. MON is a decent manager no more, and you will find that out in time. Greatness should be reserved for just that, greatness.
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Pleased to hear it. It was a regular haunt of mine back in my student days and a real favourite. Also The Museum Vaults. There was another I went to that I really liked in Hendon, but I can't for the life of me remember the name. I usually went there with a couple of mates if the Third XI had had a game of football on a Saturday afternoon: a real spit and sawdust place with the same three old blokes at the bar. We went in once and landlord was out. The blokes just told us to help ourselves and put the money in the honesty box...
Less favourable mentions also to the Londonderry in the town - whoops - city centre, simply because one evening it kicked off in the there big time and the girl I was with never really forgave me and The Royalty, the sort of pub I hate but I spent far too much time and money in there because it was so convenient.
I spent a year living on Fulwell Road and whilst I was there, a friend of mine from back home came up for an interview at Newcastle Poly. It was the night you played Chelsea in the home leg of the Milk Cup semi-final. I met him at Seaburn Station and we went for a quick pint at The Bluebell before going back to the house. We finished our drinks and had walked about 20 yards down the road towards Roker when all we heard was shouting and the sound of the pub windows being put in. Chelsea fans were such a classy lot back then...
Most of those pubs are still going! The Londonderry is my favourite pub in the town centre! Was the Hendon pub "The Corner House?"
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What was that Holteenders magazined all about a few years ago? Think I brought a copy or two from the local newsagents!
It was a weird one. From what we gathered, somebody who did a website worked for an advertising agency who thought there was a market for a glossy, very pro-the club line magazine. There wasn't. I think they gave up after one day when we sold more than they could give away.
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Hi Davey Allways good to have a sensible fan from another team on here. Yeh putting it into perspective I can imagine what this new dawn feels like. We had the same feeling when MON came walking in and a new owner as well. It all looked great for a couple of seasons and then through poor transfer dealings (he made some good ones and some awful ones), stubourness and limited tactical awareness it all got too much for him. He walked leaving us with a squad of over paid players that we could not move on and some of them are still here. Maybe he has learnt from his expereiences with us. Also our owner has to take some responsibility for the mess that we are still trying to sort out since his departure. Anyway enjoy the ride. All the best Hawkeye
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What was that Holteenders magazined all about a few years ago? Think I brought a copy or two from the local newsagents!
It was a weird one. From what we gathered, somebody who did a website worked for an advertising agency who thought there was a market for a glossy, very pro-the club line magazine. There wasn't. I think they gave up after one day when we sold more than they could give away.
I remember being given one outside the ground, it was the most partizan every thing in the garden is rosie thing that i have ever read. I could not understand why it wasnt part of the match day programme as it was so obvioulsy paid for by the club.
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What was that Holteenders magazined all about a few years ago? Think I brought a copy or two from the local newsagents!
It was a weird one. From what we gathered, somebody who did a website worked for an advertising agency who thought there was a market for a glossy, very pro-the club line magazine. There wasn't. I think they gave up after one day when we sold more than they could give away.
I remember being given one outside the ground, it was the most partizan every thing in the garden is rosie thing that i have ever read. I could not understand why it wasnt part of the match day programme as it was so obvioulsy paid for by the club.
It wasn't, though. It was totally independent. They thought being pro-club would boost sales but there was just nothing in there worth reading.
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Davey, I know you are high on the win today, but realistically you struggled, and should have been 2-0 down against a very poor side. MON is a decent manager no more, and you will find that out in time. Greatness should be reserved for just that, greatness.
Point honestly taken Jim, and yes, i'm certainly buzzing mate, of that there is no doubt. But, he's still great to me! He was great to me when he was at Leicester, what he achieved with practically nowt! He was great even more so when he was at Villa, maybe assisted due to my soft spot for them, and now he's at my hometown club, which he supported as a boy. Today was thrilling, Roy of the Rovers stuff, for the first time in a long long time Jim, I feel great about my hometown football club. For that alone, i think Martin O' Neill is great! :)
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Hi Davey Allways good to have a sensible fan from another team on here. Yeh putting it into perspective I can imagine what this new dawn feels like. We had the same feeling when MON came walking in and a new owner as well. It all looked great for a couple of seasons and then through poor transfer dealings (he made some good ones and some awful ones), stubourness and limited tactical awareness it all got too much for him. He walked leaving us with a squad of over paid players that we could not move on and some of them are still here. Maybe he has learnt from his expereiences with us. Also our owner has to take some responsibility for the mess that we are still trying to sort out since his departure. Anyway enjoy the ride. All the best Hawkeye
Thanks Hawkeye! If you ever get up here mate give uz a shout, would love to have a pint with a few of you lads, let people see that rival fans can get on ok!
All the best marra!
Davey
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What was that Holteenders magazined all about a few years ago? Think I brought a copy or two from the local newsagents!
It was a weird one. From what we gathered, somebody who did a website worked for an advertising agency who thought there was a market for a glossy, very pro-the club line magazine. There wasn't. I think they gave up after one day when we sold more than they could give away.
I remember being given one outside the ground, it was the most partizan every thing in the garden is rosie thing that i have ever read. I could not understand why it wasnt part of the match day programme as it was so obvioulsy paid for by the club.
It wasn't, though. It was totally independent. They thought being pro-club would boost sales but there was just nothing in there worth reading.
The reason I thought it was official and I must have got at least 2 copies was the access they appeared to have to players and staff. Maybe it was just BS. I will at some point drag them out from my box full of old programmes and fanzines.
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The reason I thought it was official and I must have got at least 2 copies was the access they appeared to have to players and staff. Maybe it was just BS. I will at some point drag them out from my box full of old programmes and fanzines.
I can't remember them having much 'inside' material but to be honest I didn't pay it much attention.
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Hi Davey Allways good to have a sensible fan from another team on here. Yeh putting it into perspective I can imagine what this new dawn feels like. We had the same feeling when MON came walking in and a new owner as well. It all looked great for a couple of seasons and then through poor transfer dealings (he made some good ones and some awful ones), stubourness and limited tactical awareness it all got too much for him. He walked leaving us with a squad of over paid players that we could not move on and some of them are still here. Maybe he has learnt from his expereiences with us. Also our owner has to take some responsibility for the mess that we are still trying to sort out since his departure. Anyway enjoy the ride. All the best Hawkeye
Thanks Hawkeye! If you ever get up here mate give uz a shout, would love to have a pint with a few of you lads, let people see that rival fans can get on ok!
All the best marra!
Davey
Your on mate, my next trip to Sunderland includes at least one pint with you. Hawkeye
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Hi Davey Allways good to have a sensible fan from another team on here. Yeh putting it into perspective I can imagine what this new dawn feels like. We had the same feeling when MON came walking in and a new owner as well. It all looked great for a couple of seasons and then through poor transfer dealings (he made some good ones and some awful ones), stubourness and limited tactical awareness it all got too much for him. He walked leaving us with a squad of over paid players that we could not move on and some of them are still here. Maybe he has learnt from his expereiences with us. Also our owner has to take some responsibility for the mess that we are still trying to sort out since his departure. Anyway enjoy the ride. All the best Hawkeye
Thanks Hawkeye! If you ever get up here mate give uz a shout, would love to have a pint with a few of you lads, let people see that rival fans can get on ok!
All the best marra!
Davey
Who's paying?
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Hi Davey Allways good to have a sensible fan from another team on here. Yeh putting it into perspective I can imagine what this new dawn feels like. We had the same feeling when MON came walking in and a new owner as well. It all looked great for a couple of seasons and then through poor transfer dealings (he made some good ones and some awful ones), stubourness and limited tactical awareness it all got too much for him. He walked leaving us with a squad of over paid players that we could not move on and some of them are still here. Maybe he has learnt from his expereiences with us. Also our owner has to take some responsibility for the mess that we are still trying to sort out since his departure. Anyway enjoy the ride. All the best Hawkeye
Thanks Hawkeye! If you ever get up here mate give uz a shout, would love to have a pint with a few of you lads, let people see that rival fans can get on ok!
All the best marra!
Davey
Your on mate, my next trip to Sunderland includes at least one pint with you. Hawkeye
Good stuff ;)
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Hi Davey Allways good to have a sensible fan from another team on here. Yeh putting it into perspective I can imagine what this new dawn feels like. We had the same feeling when MON came walking in and a new owner as well. It all looked great for a couple of seasons and then through poor transfer dealings (he made some good ones and some awful ones), stubourness and limited tactical awareness it all got too much for him. He walked leaving us with a squad of over paid players that we could not move on and some of them are still here. Maybe he has learnt from his expereiences with us. Also our owner has to take some responsibility for the mess that we are still trying to sort out since his departure. Anyway enjoy the ride. All the best Hawkeye
Thanks Hawkeye! If you ever get up here mate give uz a shout, would love to have a pint with a few of you lads, let people see that rival fans can get on ok!
All the best marra!
Davey
Who's paying?
YOU ARE! PMSL ;D
I'll stand the first round, as long as theres not a fecking bus load! ;D
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Davey, he;s a good manager who will restore a bit of pride. The fact you'll reach 7th or 8th and that'll be that isn't what you want to hear tonight. But it's what will happen.
In three seasons you'll be 6th or 7th and feeling somewhat disillusioned.
I understand where you are coming from Rigadon! I hope and pray that one day i can actually be "spoiled" enough by my beloved Sunderland to be actually disillusioned in that manner! As someone has mentioned on a thread on here, we are still regarded as a bit of a yoyo club, so the disillusionment has been of quite a bit different nature for us! One serious trophy in my lifetime when to be truthfull I was too young to even understand what it was all about! I remember despite my second team affection for them, watching Villa more so in the early 80's, on TV with envy! Peter Withe, Gary Shaw, Tony Morley, winning game after game, trophies, domestic and European, in style, a lovely ground, fantastic strip, wishing one day i could see Sunderland do that. Sunderland then even changed their strips from the Red n White stripes to the nightmare and effeminate Le Coq Sportif pyjama strip, white shirt, red pin stripes, with very pinkish red satin type shorts. I still cringe thinking about that strip. It was the first Sunderland kit i refused to buy. That's disillusion!
Davey, he;s a good manager who will restore a bit of pride. The fact you'll reach 7th or 8th and that'll be that isn't what you want to hear tonight. But it's what will happen.
In three seasons you'll be 6th or 7th and feeling somewhat disillusioned.
I understand where you are coming from Rigadon! I hope and pray that one day i can actually be "spoiled" enough by my beloved Sunderland to be actually disillusioned in that manner! As someone has mentioned on a thread on here, we are still regarded as a bit of a yoyo club, so the disillusionment has been of quite a bit different nature for us! One serious trophy in my lifetime when to be truthfull I was too young to even understand what it was all about! I remember despite my second team affection for them, watching Villa more so in the early 80's, on TV with envy! Peter Withe, Gary Shaw, Tony Morley, winning game after game, trophies, domestic and European, in style, a lovely ground, fantastic strip, wishing one day i could see Sunderland do that. Sunderland then even changed their strips from the Red n White stripes to the nightmare and effeminate Le Coq Sportif pyjama strip, white shirt, red pin stripes, with very pinkish red satin type shorts. I still cringe thinking about that strip. It was the first Sunderland kit i refused to buy. That's disillusion!
Davey, I hate that kit for a different reason. IIRC you wore it to Villa Park on the first day of the 1982-83 season and beat us 3-1, with a young Ally McCoist in the team - he may even have scored, but my aging memory isn't what it used to be.
Our youth team paraded the European Cup before kick off and did a lap of the ground. To a man, the Sunderland supporters rose and aplauded them when they passed in front of the Witton End and Witton Lane stands where your fellas were congregated - a really sporting gesture.
Enjoy the rollercoaster - you will have a much higher media profile in the coming months.
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Top 8 at best , certainly not a top 6 club.sunderland have won one fa cup in the last 50 yrs and i think finished in the top 6 once in the last 50 yrs so top 10 will be an achievement and i expect them to establish themselves in the top half
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They will improve year on year, go close to achieving something, then in year five, he will piss off and leave them in the mire. His CV says so. Not just with us.
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They will improve year on year, go close to achieving something, then in year five, he will piss off and leave them in the mire. His CV says so. Not just with us.
I guess he'll carefully time his departure to 'preserve the magic'.
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They will improve year on year, go close to achieving something, then in year five, he will piss off and leave them in the mire. His CV says so. Not just with us.
Give it a couple of years and the Mackems will get tired of the Geordies taking the piss out of their caveman football.
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Davey, I know you are high on the win today, but realistically you struggled, and should have been 2-0 down against a very poor side. MON is a decent manager no more, and you will find that out in time. Greatness should be reserved for just that, greatness.
Point honestly taken Jim, and yes, i'm certainly buzzing mate, of that there is no doubt. But, he's still great to me! He was great to me when he was at Leicester, what he achieved with practically nowt! He was great even more so when he was at Villa, maybe assisted due to my soft spot for them, and now he's at my hometown club, which he supported as a boy. Today was thrilling, Roy of the Rovers stuff, for the first time in a long long time Jim, I feel great about my hometown football club. For that alone, i think Martin O' Neill is great! :)
Christ, he's been brainwashed already!
Give it a month and you'll be back saying stuff like "does he always play Nicklas Bendtner at right back?"
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This thread should be retitled "wishful thinking". It would a far more interesting read if you could all put aside your bitterness and show some objectivity.
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This thread should be retitled "wishful thinking". It would a far more interesting read if you could all put aside your bitterness and show some objectivity.
I'll put aside my bitterness if he ever apologises for what he did.
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I can sum this up succinctly:
Martin O Neill is a ******.
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This thread should be retitled "wishful thinking". It would a far more interesting read if you could all put aside your bitterness and show some objectivity.
I'll put aside my bitterness if he ever apologises for what he did.
I meant put it aside virtually for the duration of the thread, I'm not expecting anyone to forgive and forget.
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The conditions should be ideal for him up there.
We wanted to break into the group of CL clubs and the money spent meant we had an opportunity do to that at one point. With money and opportunity also comes pressure. And expectation. In the final analysis, 6th for three seasons in a row was about par (or slightly below par) for the money spent. The standard of football was definitely below par.
Up there they won't be thinking about CL. Stay up this season and he'll be hailed as a success. He'll like that. Top 8 might be enough for open top bus parades, considering they've spent the last 15 years either getting relegated, promoted or had the very real threat of relegation hanging over them.
I wouldn't be completely stunned if an extended cup run sees them make Europe at some point too. Either by winning the LC or if the latter stages of the FA Cup are enough based on who else makes the final. They might name the stadium after him then. He'd like that.
I wish him neither good luck or ill fortune. The majority of his time with us was positive. Some of his comments directed towards the fans and definitely the manner of his walkout soured that. What he does now at Sunderland only interests me in so far as how it impacts on Aston Villa, namely how many of our older lot on big wages will he entice up there. It certainly does not seem to be the step up in career he, Oliver Holt and other sycophants perhaps believed was his as of right. Maybe even Magic Martin was surprised at the calibre of clubs that came in for him these past 18 months. Perhaps he'll reflect on what he had and what he threw away.
I had to laugh though when their fans booed his side off at half time (in his first game!) there. I wonder what his delicate ego made of that.
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Probably that it was Spud Head's fault.
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Davey, I know you are high on the win today, but realistically you struggled, and should have been 2-0 down against a very poor side. MON is a decent manager no more, and you will find that out in time. Greatness should be reserved for just that, greatness.
Point honestly taken Jim, and yes, i'm certainly buzzing mate, of that there is no doubt. But, he's still great to me! He was great to me when he was at Leicester, what he achieved with practically nowt! He was great even more so when he was at Villa, maybe assisted due to my soft spot for them, and now he's at my hometown club, which he supported as a boy. Today was thrilling, Roy of the Rovers stuff, for the first time in a long long time Jim, I feel great about my hometown football club. For that alone, i think Martin O' Neill is great! :)
Steady Dave, Steady
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Davey, he;s a good manager who will restore a bit of pride. The fact you'll reach 7th or 8th and that'll be that isn't what you want to hear tonight. But it's what will happen.
In three seasons you'll be 6th or 7th and feeling somewhat disillusioned.
I understand where you are coming from Rigadon! I hope and pray that one day i can actually be "spoiled" enough by my beloved Sunderland to be actually disillusioned in that manner! As someone has mentioned on a thread on here, we are still regarded as a bit of a yoyo club, so the disillusionment has been of quite a bit different nature for us! One serious trophy in my lifetime when to be truthfull I was too young to even understand what it was all about! I remember despite my second team affection for them, watching Villa more so in the early 80's, on TV with envy! Peter Withe, Gary Shaw, Tony Morley, winning game after game, trophies, domestic and European, in style, a lovely ground, fantastic strip, wishing one day i could see Sunderland do that. Sunderland then even changed their strips from the Red n White stripes to the nightmare and effeminate Le Coq Sportif pyjama strip, white shirt, red pin stripes, with very pinkish red satin type shorts. I still cringe thinking about that strip. It was the first Sunderland kit i refused to buy. That's disillusion!
Davey, he;s a good manager who will restore a bit of pride. The fact you'll reach 7th or 8th and that'll be that isn't what you want to hear tonight. But it's what will happen.
In three seasons you'll be 6th or 7th and feeling somewhat disillusioned.
I understand where you are coming from Rigadon! I hope and pray that one day i can actually be "spoiled" enough by my beloved Sunderland to be actually disillusioned in that manner! As someone has mentioned on a thread on here, we are still regarded as a bit of a yoyo club, so the disillusionment has been of quite a bit different nature for us! One serious trophy in my lifetime when to be truthfull I was too young to even understand what it was all about! I remember despite my second team affection for them, watching Villa more so in the early 80's, on TV with envy! Peter Withe, Gary Shaw, Tony Morley, winning game after game, trophies, domestic and European, in style, a lovely ground, fantastic strip, wishing one day i could see Sunderland do that. Sunderland then even changed their strips from the Red n White stripes to the nightmare and effeminate Le Coq Sportif pyjama strip, white shirt, red pin stripes, with very pinkish red satin type shorts. I still cringe thinking about that strip. It was the first Sunderland kit i refused to buy. That's disillusion!
Davey, I hate that kit for a different reason. IIRC you wore it to Villa Park on the first day of the 1982-83 season and beat us 3-1, with a young Ally McCoist in the team - he may even have scored, but my aging memory isn't what it used to be.
Our youth team paraded the European Cup before kick off and did a lap of the ground. To a man, the Sunderland supporters rose and aplauded them when they passed in front of the Witton End and Witton Lane stands where your fellas were congregated - a really sporting gesture.
Enjoy the rollercoaster - you will have a much higher media profile in the coming months.
Cheers Pat! ;)
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Top 8 at best , certainly not a top 6 club.sunderland have won one fa cup in the last 50 yrs and i think finished in the top 6 once in the last 50 yrs so top 10 will be an achievement and i expect them to establish themselves in the top half
...... This is the point i've been trying to get over in quite a few of my early posts, under Bruce the media were giving us SAFC fans stick for "unrealistic expectations." What you are saying here is basically what we feel should be the current level we are competing at, with a cup run every now and again thrown in, and a tilt for European football once we get established properly! I've yet to hear a single comment from one of our lot saying we should win the Premiership or the Champions League!
We twice finished 7th under Peter Reid, when a little outlay at the time, on a few quality players to compliment the squad we already had could have easily given us the above in my opinion. One FA Cup win in the last 50 years in 1973, a few cup runs with appearances in finals in 1985, 1992, and a zillion relegation and promotion experiences are basically our footballing CV. So, i agree with what you are saying Eastie. When we get there regularly, 7th - 8th, is when the "itchiness" for the next step will no doubt kick in for us. Then we'll find out if our owners, our management, our team, and ourselves i suppose, can (cliche alert!) actually awaken this comatosed (not sleeping) giant!
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They will improve year on year, go close to achieving something, then in year five, he will piss off and leave them in the mire. His CV says so. Not just with us.
Give it a couple of years and the Mackems will get tired of the Geordies taking the piss out of their caveman football.
.... Tired of the deluded buffooons now SOV, listening to them at work they are apparently going for Champions League this year! One was so annoyed about the results at the weekend (Cheers Norwich! ;D) that he wanted to bet me £20, then quickly upped it to £50, that they finished above us this season. He couldn't respond when i asked him why he didn't offer the bet at the begining of the season when everything was at a level start and they were nervous about us! 12 points currently split us, and although i'm not a gambling man I was seriously tempted to take it actually, but we are Sunderland, a great start under our new gaffer, but we still have issues that need resolving. I'll be a lot more confident when MON has brought in his players, and has "got into" our club properly.
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Davey, I know you are high on the win today, but realistically you struggled, and should have been 2-0 down against a very poor side. MON is a decent manager no more, and you will find that out in time. Greatness should be reserved for just that, greatness.
Point honestly taken Jim, and yes, i'm certainly buzzing mate, of that there is no doubt. But, he's still great to me! He was great to me when he was at Leicester, what he achieved with practically nowt! He was great even more so when he was at Villa, maybe assisted due to my soft spot for them, and now he's at my hometown club, which he supported as a boy. Today was thrilling, Roy of the Rovers stuff, for the first time in a long long time Jim, I feel great about my hometown football club. For that alone, i think Martin O' Neill is great! :)
Christ, he's been brainwashed already!
Give it a month and you'll be back saying stuff like "does he always play Nicklas Bendtner at right back?"
;D Brainwashed, lol. Aye, maybe's! Think its more relief that we are on the up again though, MON has lifted the doom and gloom around the place. Early days, but i'm still over the moon he's here, he's the right man for us at the right time. I know all good things must come to an end, but right now, he's here, he's changing things for the better, and to me, he's great! ;)
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I can sum this up succinctly:
Martin O Neill is a c***.
I'm pleased to say "He's OUR c###" though! ;D
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Top 8 at best , certainly not a top 6 club.sunderland have won one fa cup in the last 50 yrs and i think finished in the top 6 once in the last 50 yrs so top 10 will be an achievement and i expect them to establish themselves in the top half
...... This is the point i've been trying to get over in quite a few of my early posts, under Bruce the media were giving us SAFC fans stick for "unrealistic expectations." What you are saying here is basically what we feel should be the current level we are competing at, with a cup run every now and again thrown in, and a tilt for European football once we get established properly! I've yet to hear a single comment from one of our lot saying we should win the Premiership or the Champions League!
We twice finished 7th under Peter Reid, when a little outlay at the time, on a few quality players to compliment the squad we already had could have easily given us the above in my opinion. One FA Cup win in the last 50 years in 1973, a few cup runs with appearances in finals in 1985, 1992, and a zillion relegation and promotion experiences are basically our footballing CV. So, i agree with what you are saying Eastie. When we get there regularly, 7th - 8th, is when the "itchiness" for the next step will no doubt kick in for us. Then we'll find out if our owners, our management, our team, and ourselves i suppose, can (cliche alert!) actually awaken this comatosed (not sleeping) giant!
Yeah that's a fair point. The reason you were giving Bruce stick was that he was well on his way to establishing you as a bottom 5 club which given Sunderland's spending in the summer shouldn't be the scenario.
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Top 8 at best , certainly not a top 6 club.sunderland have won one fa cup in the last 50 yrs and i think finished in the top 6 once in the last 50 yrs so top 10 will be an achievement and i expect them to establish themselves in the top half
...... This is the point i've been trying to get over in quite a few of my early posts, under Bruce the media were giving us SAFC fans stick for "unrealistic expectations." What you are saying here is basically what we feel should be the current level we are competing at, with a cup run every now and again thrown in, and a tilt for European football once we get established properly! I've yet to hear a single comment from one of our lot saying we should win the Premiership or the Champions League!
We twice finished 7th under Peter Reid, when a little outlay at the time, on a few quality players to compliment the squad we already had could have easily given us the above in my opinion. One FA Cup win in the last 50 years in 1973, a few cup runs with appearances in finals in 1985, 1992, and a zillion relegation and promotion experiences are basically our footballing CV. So, i agree with what you are saying Eastie. When we get there regularly, 7th - 8th, is when the "itchiness" for the next step will no doubt kick in for us. Then we'll find out if our owners, our management, our team, and ourselves i suppose, can (cliche alert!) actually awaken this comatosed (not sleeping) giant!
Yeah that's a fair point. The reason you were giving Bruce stick was that he was well on his way to establishing you as a bottom 5 club which given Sunderland's spending in the summer shouldn't be the scenario.
Exactly that, we were going back to yoyo-ville! We have suffered enough of that in my lifetime, sacking Bruce and bringing in MON was the right action by our owner, i don't think we could have brought in anyone more perfectly suited for us to be honest. Regardless of the bitterness some of your lads hold towards MON, i don't think anyone can give a better "acheivable" man to do our job at this time!
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Mark Hughes and team Tafia say hello btw.
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They will improve year on year, go close to achieving something, then in year five, he will piss off and leave them in the mire. His CV says so. Not just with us.
Give it a couple of years and the Mackems will get tired of the Geordies taking the piss out of their caveman football.
.... Tired of the deluded buffooons now SOV, listening to them at work they are apparently going for Champions League this year! One was so annoyed about the results at the weekend (Cheers Norwich! ;D) that he wanted to bet me £20, then quickly upped it to £50, that they finished above us this season. He couldn't respond when i asked him why he didn't offer the bet at the begining of the season when everything was at a level start and they were nervous about us! 12 points currently split us, and although i'm not a gambling man I was seriously tempted to take it actually, but we are Sunderland, a great start under our new gaffer, but we still have issues that need resolving. I'll be a lot more confident when MON has brought in his players, and has "got into" our club properly.
Fear not, you'll have plenty of ugly wins this season to piss off the Barcodes.
Send them my regards..
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Mark Hughes and team Tafia say hello btw.
Hughes isn't a good as MON in my opinion, .... Tafia has lossed me marra????? :-[
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They will improve year on year, go close to achieving something, then in year five, he will piss off and leave them in the mire. His CV says so. Not just with us.
Give it a couple of years and the Mackems will get tired of the Geordies taking the piss out of their caveman football.
.... Tired of the deluded buffooons now SOV, listening to them at work they are apparently going for Champions League this year! One was so annoyed about the results at the weekend (Cheers Norwich! ;D) that he wanted to bet me £20, then quickly upped it to £50, that they finished above us this season. He couldn't respond when i asked him why he didn't offer the bet at the begining of the season when everything was at a level start and they were nervous about us! 12 points currently split us, and although i'm not a gambling man I was seriously tempted to take it actually, but we are Sunderland, a great start under our new gaffer, but we still have issues that need resolving. I'll be a lot more confident when MON has brought in his players, and has "got into" our club properly.
Fear not, you'll have plenty of ugly wins this season to piss off the Barcodes.
Send them my regards..
I give you now, an IOU for a pint! ;D Cheerio, Cheerio, Cheerio!!!!! Class marra! Absolutely class! ;D ;D