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Title: Given out for a month
Post by: PaulTheVillan on December 05, 2011, 07:15:10 PM
Torn hamstring.

Guzan will never get a better chance.
Title: Re: Given out foa month
Post by: Tom_Mc9? on December 05, 2011, 07:26:46 PM
Fortunately it won't make a difference -  we'll lose the matches with or without him.
Title: Re: Given out foa month
Post by: Rigadon on December 05, 2011, 07:43:39 PM
Marvellous.

Time for Guzan to prove he's up to it.
Title: Re: Given out foa month
Post by: Greg N'Ash on December 05, 2011, 07:45:53 PM
Be interesting if we get someone in on loan. Always thought he could be a top 'keeper given a bit of luck but he's really fell out of the picture the last year or so.
Title: Re: Given out for a month
Post by: Clampy on December 05, 2011, 08:11:20 PM
A big blow, but a chance for Brad. He's a decent penalty stopper which is a bonus i suppose.
Title: Re: Given out for a month
Post by: Dave Cooper please on December 05, 2011, 08:19:53 PM
Fortunately it won't make a difference -  we'll lose the matches with or without him.

That's the spirit!
Title: Re: Given out for a month
Post by: l_mckay on December 05, 2011, 08:21:29 PM
if things wernt bad enough already,but come on Brad take your chance
Title: Re: Given out for a month
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 05, 2011, 08:30:43 PM
use rains and pours in a sentence
Title: Re: Given out for a month
Post by: Shrek on December 05, 2011, 08:33:26 PM
I have every faith in Brad Guzan.
Title: Re: Given out for a month
Post by: Legion on December 05, 2011, 08:36:12 PM
I have every faith in Brad Guzan.

I don't. Apart from his penalty-saving prowess he did very little to inspire me the other season. Please prove me wrong, Brad Jnr.
Title: Re: Given out for a month
Post by: nigel on December 05, 2011, 08:37:09 PM
Have to say Brad looked pretty composed when he came on.
He's been learning from to great keepers in Freidel and Given and Genoe is one of the best keeper coaches.
Title: Re: Given out for a month
Post by: Dave on December 05, 2011, 08:37:25 PM
I have every faith in Brad Guzan.

I don't. Apart from his penalty-saving prowess he did very little to inspire me the other season. Please prove me wrong, Brad Jnr.
Did you miss the first 120 minutes of the Sunderland cup match?

He's had one atrocious game, the 6-4 game against Blackburn. Other than that, he's done very little wrong at any point.
Title: Re: Given out for a month
Post by: Legion on December 05, 2011, 08:40:29 PM
Yes, I did miss it. Seriously, how did he do?
Title: Re: Given out for a month
Post by: Irish villain on December 05, 2011, 08:48:58 PM
A blow. Maybe Guzan will be the new Spink! Shot stopping us to, eh, an unexpected draw in December?
Title: Re: Given out for a month
Post by: Dave on December 05, 2011, 09:02:25 PM
Yes, I did miss it. Seriously, how did he do?
Brilliant. From what I remember anyway.

As I said, I can't remember much he has done wrong apart from the Blackburn horror show.
Title: Re: Given out for a month
Post by: olaftab on December 05, 2011, 09:16:56 PM
Given out is not our problem. Guzan will be fine it's the others.
Title: Re: Given out for a month
Post by: Dante Lavelli on December 05, 2011, 09:26:27 PM
A fair few of the goals we have conceded appear to have been a result of poor communication (See spurs 2nd goal for example).  When various keeper were being touted around in the summer one of the criticisms of Given was that he did not organise his defence or command his area properly.  Maybe, just maybe the louder Guzan might help encourage our motley crew to play as a better unit. 

How's that for unjustified optimism?
Title: Re: Given out for a month
Post by: Chris Smith on December 05, 2011, 09:29:57 PM
Guzan did everything asked of him on Saturday, if he continues like that he'll be fine.
Title: Re: Given out for a month
Post by: Louzie0 on December 05, 2011, 10:03:55 PM
Fortunately it won't make a difference -  we'll lose the matches with or without him.

That's the spirit!

Superb.  Thanks, C&D. 
Still laughing!
Title: Re: Given out for a month
Post by: Lizz on December 05, 2011, 10:17:18 PM
I thought Guzan was one of our better players on Saturday [I realise that's not exactly a ringing endorsement].
Title: Re: Given out for a month
Post by: TheSandman on December 05, 2011, 10:26:52 PM
I have every faith in Brad Guzan.

I don't. Apart from his penalty-saving prowess he did very little to inspire me the other season. Please prove me wrong, Brad Jnr.
Did you miss the first 120 minutes of the Sunderland cup match?

He's had one atrocious game, the 6-4 game against Blackburn. Other than that, he's done very little wrong at any point.

I agree. I reckon that he's not really been given a fair crack yet and people have been too quick to write him off based on that very limited exposure. We'll definitely know if he'll cut the mustard after this month, as with our fixtures and defence he'll be seeing a lot of use.
Title: Re: Given out for a month
Post by: The Left Side on December 05, 2011, 10:35:58 PM
Shame for Shay, just hope Brad takes his chance
Title: Re: Given out for a month
Post by: Louzie0 on December 05, 2011, 10:37:29 PM
I read the thread title and I have to say that, before I realised it was about Shay, my first thought was that some hapless cricket team had met the umpire from hell.
Title: Re: Given out for a month
Post by: ozzjim on December 05, 2011, 10:43:06 PM
IT will be interesting to see us from set pieces to see if he comes from his line more than Shay or Friedel.
Title: Re: Given out for a month
Post by: Somniloquism on December 05, 2011, 10:46:14 PM
Yes, I did miss it. Seriously, how did he do?
Brilliant. From what I remember anyway.

As I said, I can't remember much he has done wrong apart from the Blackburn horror show.

I thought it was Blackburn Horror Shows in plural as he seemed to struggle in the other cup games he played against them. It depends if he has learnt how to deal with crosses under pressure whether he will do well. Most of the rest of his game was quite good.
Title: Re: Given out for a month
Post by: Dave on December 05, 2011, 11:00:25 PM
I remember a relatively comfortable 3-1 win and the semi final first leg where he could have spent most of the game asleep in the six yard box.

One goal conceded in the other 180 minutes isn't too bad.
Title: Re: Given out for a month
Post by: Chipsticks on December 05, 2011, 11:14:51 PM
He's a bit dodgy with crosses, but otherwise a fine stopper with good reflexes.

Title: Re: Given out for a month
Post by: Somniloquism on December 05, 2011, 11:20:46 PM
I remember a relatively comfortable 3-1 win and the semi final first leg where he could have spent most of the game asleep in the six yard box.

One goal conceded in the other 180 minutes isn't too bad.

It might be all the cup matches running into one that I was getting confused in the cup matches although I though their one in the 2010 match was his mistake against Kalinic. The other one I'm thinking off where he was off his game was the Sparta Prague match, but then not many of the defence came out of that with glory. As that was one of the last matches we saw him in competitively, you can understand the apprehension. How well did he do on loan?
Title: Re: Given out for a month
Post by: Tom_Mc9? on December 05, 2011, 11:30:56 PM
Fortunately it won't make a difference -  we'll lose the matches with or without him.

That's the spirit!

Don't worry it was said tongue-in-cheek (sort of)
Title: Re: Given out for a month
Post by: Greg N'Ash on December 05, 2011, 11:39:48 PM
Guzan did everything asked of him on Saturday, if he continues like that he'll be fine.


I tend to agree. if anyone has long term experience of dealing with those two plodders in front of him then its brad jnr
Title: Re: Given out for a month
Post by: villadelph on December 06, 2011, 01:18:34 AM
The thing I'm most nervous about is how none of our defensive players are able to pass out of the back, and now with Guzan between the sticks there will be even more nervous energy back there. Long balls and deep clearances will be needed more than ever. I can see McLeish yelling at training now, "Just get it out."

If we drop Bolton, I'll lose it.
Title: Re: Given out for a month
Post by: eastie on December 06, 2011, 07:15:53 AM
I  fear the worst with guzan in goal, a good shot stopper but absolutely awful on crosses and corners -i hope he has learned from past mistakes and improved greatly over the last 12 months-if not we are going to be up the creek.
Title: Re: Given out for a month
Post by: philthebar on December 06, 2011, 07:21:35 AM
He's like most other modern day keepers - good shot stoppers - suspect on corners/crosses and doesn't talk enough to his defence.  And yes I am being critical - just like Given!
Title: Re: Given out for a month
Post by: TaxDodger on December 06, 2011, 08:48:26 AM
Can we not sign Gabor Kiraly on loan?
Title: Re: Given out for a month
Post by: Mister E on December 06, 2011, 08:55:35 AM
A fair few of the goals we have conceded appear to have been a result of poor communication (See spurs 2nd goal for example).  When various keeper were being touted around in the summer one of the criticisms of Given was that he did not organise his defence or command his area properly.  Maybe, just maybe the louder Guzan might help encourage our motley crew to play as a better unit. 

How's that for unjustified optimism?
Funny, 'cos I felt with Friedel that the communication bit cannot have been happening very well.
Title: Re: Given out for a month
Post by: Merv on December 06, 2011, 09:09:43 AM
I think Guzan will be fine. At least it's only a month for Given, back for the New Year.

Any news on Jenas? It looked like he snapped his Achilles to me.
Title: Re: Given out for a month
Post by: Hookeysmith on December 06, 2011, 10:02:45 AM
At this level they are all brilliant shot stoppers on their day - rare today do you see keepers dominate the box on crosses - i would imagine that the new balls and the change in direction in flight has a lot to do with this

Gone are the days when a ball into the box was claimed by the keeper under immense pressure from forwards

In fact the last 2 i remember being particulary good at this were both ours - James and Sorensson

It takes so much pressure off set pieces but just seems to have been coached out of modern keepers
Title: Re: Given out for a month
Post by: CJ on December 06, 2011, 10:06:35 AM
Can we not sign Gabor Kiraly on loan?

Don't think we need to get anyone else in as it's only for a month. Andy Marshall will be on the bench so we only need to panic if one of them gets injured.
Title: Re: Given out for a month
Post by: Hookeysmith on December 06, 2011, 10:19:23 AM
Can we not sign Gabor Kiraly on loan?

Don't think we need to get anyone else in as it's only for a month. Andy Marshall will be on the bench so we only need to panic if one of them gets injured.
It must be the best job in football - reserve keeper

Never gets a game for first team - not even on bench when Given and Guzan are fit
Hardly gets a game in reserves as usually the younger players get in

Good money for a bit of training each day!
Title: Re: Given out for a month
Post by: SoccerHQ on December 06, 2011, 11:59:27 AM
I don't think Guzan is as bad as made out tbh. As Dave says, he was pretty dodgy in the Blackburn games (still kept a clean sheet in the first leg) and has been brilliant up at Sunderland in the cup and at Prague.

Only real game I worry about him is Stoke away but in the others I don't expect to be much different in what we concede whether it's Given or Guzan in goal.
Title: Re: Given out for a month
Post by: SoccerHQ on December 06, 2011, 12:01:26 PM
I remember a relatively comfortable 3-1 win and the semi final first leg where he could have spent most of the game asleep in the six yard box.

One goal conceded in the other 180 minutes isn't too bad.

In the 3-1 cup game at VP in 2010 (not last season but the one before, easy to get confused!) their goal came from him dropping a Pedersen corner into the net.
Title: Re: Given out for a month
Post by: SoccerHQ on December 06, 2011, 12:03:15 PM
Is Siergiest making an impact for the reserves/youths?

Anyone think he has the tools to succeed in top level English football?
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