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Title: Good article in today's Independent
Post by: TopDeck113 on December 03, 2011, 09:47:19 AM
"It's 21 years since a manager left Villa Park with his reputation enhanced...Sunderland cannot be regarded as commensurate with Villa - as the transfer of Darren Bent underlined."

It then goes on to give the reasons for McLeish's likely demise, albeit without giving any time scale.
 
Full article (http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/news-and-comment/glenn-moore-mcleish-may-need-to-go-on-offensive-to-avoid-curse-of-villa-managers-graveyard-6271417.html)
Title: Re: Good article in today's Independent
Post by: German James on December 03, 2011, 09:56:19 AM
Very good. Respectful for a change, and pretty much on the money, I reckon.
Title: Re: Good article in today's Independent
Post by: Chris Smith on December 03, 2011, 10:05:35 AM
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The problem with a club like Villa is that, because of the setting and the history, expectations often outstrip reality.

Ain't that the truth.
Title: Re: Good article in today's Independent
Post by: CJ on December 03, 2011, 10:10:12 AM
Decent article with one major flaw for me - "It is a desirable job for McLeish, with his connections to Sir Alex Ferguson; it could even be a platform to succeed his mentor". The thought that McLeish could manage United is a bit ludicrous
Title: Re: Good article in today's Independent
Post by: LeeB on December 03, 2011, 10:12:57 AM
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The problem with a club like Villa is that, because of the setting and the history, expectations often outstrip reality.

Ain't that the truth.

Aint it just.
Title: Re: Good article in today's Independent
Post by: barrysleftfoot on December 03, 2011, 10:15:56 AM

  You could argue that Nooocastle is more of a comparisson than Everton.A Chairman who has thrown money at players to try and get into that elusive top 4, had his fingers burned and drawn the financial drawbridge in.

  For what its worth i think McL will fail unless he "has a go", and plays the more offensive players.I would love to see a midfield in 2/3 years time of Herd, Bannan and Gardener, with a defence made up of Eric, Baker and Clark.I'm not sure i want any more big time charlies like Downing down VP, i would rather buy up and coming players, develop our youth, and try to create a bit of loyalty within the players.Will it be good enough enough to get into the top 4, why not?
Title: Re: Good article in today's Independent
Post by: olaftab on December 03, 2011, 10:19:29 AM
Decent article with one major flaw for me - "It is a desirable job for McLeish, with his connections to Sir Alex Ferguson; it could even be a platform to succeed his mentor". The thought that McLeish could manage United is a bit ludicrous

No more ludicrous than him managing Aston Villa!
Title: Re: Good article in today's Independent
Post by: Vanilla on December 03, 2011, 10:54:34 AM
Some of the info is wrong, but apart from that its on the button.
Title: Re: Good article in today's Independent
Post by: Mister E on December 03, 2011, 11:03:47 AM
Bang on the nose - although the Martinez myth still appears.
Title: Re: Good article in today's Independent
Post by: Gaztonniller on December 03, 2011, 11:15:33 AM
Be interesting to see if MON is faced with the prospect of selling another top player at Sunders, or dosent get the funds he wants if he'll again walk out.
Title: Re: Good article in today's Independent
Post by: brian green on December 03, 2011, 11:33:37 AM
Amen to the observation that our history pitches expectations higher than lesser clubs.
Title: Re: Good article in today's Independent
Post by: Dave on December 03, 2011, 11:41:59 AM
Be interesting to see if MON is faced with the prospect of selling another top player at Sunders
Considering their squad I'm not sure that's going to be too much of an issue.
Title: Re: Good article in today's Independent
Post by: richard moore on December 03, 2011, 12:00:42 PM
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The problem with a club like Villa is that, because of the setting and the history, expectations often outstrip reality.

Ain't that the truth.

Aint it just.

We love it though don't we! Heroes and Villains would probably go out of businesss if we thought any different...
Title: Re: Good article in today's Independent
Post by: maidstonevillain on December 03, 2011, 02:03:15 PM
Very good, seems almost spot on. Only flaw seems to be the argument that MON failed due to small squad. Not tactical naivety and a failure to properly use the resources at his disposal (in my opinion  :D).
Title: Re: Good article in today's Independent
Post by: Rigadon on December 03, 2011, 03:03:55 PM
Nice to read something resembling the truth and not packed full of 'agenda' for once.
Title: Re: Good article in today's Independent
Post by: Irish villain on December 03, 2011, 03:32:27 PM
Bang on the nose - although the Martinez myth still appears.

Myth?
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