Heroes & Villains, the Aston Villa fanzine
Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Tokyo Sexwhale on November 27, 2011, 03:32:24 PM
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Does anyone know when Eric will be back from injury?
I can't stand to see Alan Hutton in our side, and I doubt we'll be signing another right back in January.
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Even if Eric Lichaj recovered, there is no way AMC would drop Hutton for him.
I mean Herd got Man of the Match in the Wolves game when he was playing at right back, then McLeish goes and buys Hutton so he can play right back. I mean let's just ignore for a minute Hutton is absoutely shit at defending and attacking. He even puts in dirty tackles that should have gotten him 2 reds by now, yet our useless manager insists of using him despite all this.
AMC dropping Hutton is impossible mainly because our manager has mental health problems when it comes to football.
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I don't really think that is an appropriate choice of phrase in light of recent events.
The sooner Lichaj is back the better.
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Herd should be right back.
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Your username unsettles me.
To be honest I don't think there's much difference between the two, I personally would be happy with Cuellar at Right Back, albeit if he's all to eager to play hoof ball.
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Hutton truly is awful. Its an absolute miracle that he hasn't been sent off this season. Even his boots fucking annoyed me today.
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Think we're stuck with Hutton for the foreseable future i'm afraid. Can't work out whether he's a complete thug or just really really shite. bit of both?
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Hutton had a decent game today but because he's a McLeish signing and number one whipping boy you all refuse to see it.
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Only saw the last 30 mins but saw that long crossfield Swansea hit that badly exposed Hutton. Think it was Sinclair that nipped in ahead of him and it was only a good Collins block that stopped the goal.
The right side of our defence really worries me, Hutton and Collins are liabilities against any pacey widemen.
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Hutton had a decent game today but because he's a McLeish signing and number one whipping boy you all refuse to see it.
Apart from the fact he was lucky to get away with a red card tackle. Funny how you refuse to see that.
Also, I don't recall one poster having a bad word to say about Given and he's a McLeish signing. How does that support your argument?
It's very noble you're in the minority of defending McLeish for anything, but it's painfully obvious he has turned us into the new Blues. You'll open your eyes eventually. Then answer to yourself on why you was so blinded in the first place.
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Hutton had a decent game today but because he's a McLeish signing and number one whipping boy you all refuse to see it.
Apart from the fact he was lucky to get away with a red card tackle. Funny how you refuse to see that.
Also, I don't recall one poster having a bad word to say about Given and he's a McLeish signing. How does that support your argument?
It's very noble you're in the minority of defending McLeish for anything, but it's painfully obvious he has turned us into the new Blues. You'll open your eyes eventually. Then answer to yourself on why you was so blinded in the first place.
Of course it wasn't a red card you daft sod.
One of these days you'll make a post that doesn't whinge, doesn't try to blame McLeish for everything and shows some insight rather than trot out the "new Blues" cliches. When you do I might take you seriously.
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Hutton had a decent game today but because he's a McLeish signing and number one whipping boy you all refuse to see it.
Chris at the moment he looks a very poor buy. It's looking like the manager has spunked £4m on a thug of a footballer. 5 minutes in and he hacks someone down with a yellow card was a joke today, after his previous games of rash challenges. For me I would play Beye for his last year of wages or Herd.
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He was much better today but I'd still prefer Lichaj there as he's much, much better. I'd even prefer Cuellar there to be honest.
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I don't think it's because Hutton is McLeish's signing as he also signed Given (who most think is an excellent signing), N'Zogbia (who a fair percentage of people think just needs a bit more time) and Jenas (who a lot of people think is going to be an effective player for us).
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Hutton had a decent game today but because he's a McLeish signing and number one whipping boy you all refuse to see it.
A decent game?
Bad tackling
Fell over when wrong footed which could have lead to a goal
Awful crossing
Lack of understanding with Zog (ok, the blame is shared there)
Apart from that, yep, a decent game.
Watching from behind the goal today made it easier for me to see how bad Hutton is
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Hutton had a decent game today but because he's a McLeish signing and number one whipping boy you all refuse to see it.
Apart from the fact he was lucky to get away with a red card tackle. Funny how you refuse to see that.
Also, I don't recall one poster having a bad word to say about Given and he's a McLeish signing. How does that support your argument?
It's very noble you're in the minority of defending McLeish for anything, but it's painfully obvious he has turned us into the new Blues. You'll open your eyes eventually. Then answer to yourself on why you was so blinded in the first place.
Of course it wasn't a red card you daft sod.
One of these days you'll make a post that doesn't whinge, doesn't try to blame McLeish for everything and shows some insight rather than trot out the "new Blues" cliches. When you do I might take you seriously.
So you think the tackle he made was acceptable? LOL. Make no mistake that was worthy of a red card. He has just been lucky with decisions such as this game, the West Brom game when he made a similar foul and the game against Wigan when he fouled a player in the box that could have easily been a pen.
Oh, and you're one to talk about being taken seriously. You're the guy who thought McLeish made the right tactics against Spurs without even watching the damn game. What's worse is I seem to recall when we was looking for a new manager you didn't even want McLeish, then suddenly when he becomes the manager you see him through claret and blue tinted glasses like you do with Hutton. You're extremely biased and have no standards when to draw the line. You cannot think outside of the box at all.
It's going to be hilarious the day you turn against McLeish. Make sure to look back at your previous posts when you defended him through thick and thin then answer to yourself what on earth you was smoking.
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Hutton had a decent game today but because he's a McLeish signing and number one whipping boy you all refuse to see it.
Come off it Chris, that's a really childish argument. I don't care who signed him, he's awful, and easily the worst recognised right back I've ever seen at Villa. Shockingly bad player.
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Hutton had a decent game today but because he's a McLeish signing and number one whipping boy you all refuse to see it.
Come off it Chris, that's a really childish argument. I don't care who signed him, he's awful, and easily the worst recognised right back I've ever seen at Villa. Shockingly bad player.
It's true though, today he played pretty well today. Was rarely beaten by his winger, go forward and linked up the N'Zogbia put in a couple of decent crosses himself and a shot just over the bar.
He's no world beater but he's just not being judged fairly because the mob have taken against him.
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It's going to be hilarious the day you turn against McLeish. Make sure to look back at your previous posts when you defended him through thick and thin then answer to yourself what on earth you was smoking.
You really haven't got the first clue have you.
I'm not defending him through thick and thin, it's giving him a chance. He's had 13 games but small minded people like you have been on his back from the start. Given the circumstances of the summer I think we've done ok but you twist everything to your tiresome anti McLeish agenda, even when we win all you do is talk about the negatives.
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I think Hutton has been pretty poor since he's signed. His booking today was an idiotic tackle and there was a few of those flying in, in the first half from a number of our side.
He's solid enough, but he's looking more and more like the spitting image of Stephen Warnock on the other side of the pitch.
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People are just calling it as they see it. He really is very poor.
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Hutton had a decent game today but because he's a McLeish signing and number one whipping boy you all refuse to see it.
I beg your pardon. That position belongs to Ivanhoe. He continues to be a complete waste of a shirt. He won a few headers today, wow, that should see him kept in the starting line up for the next few months.
Hutton is shit though. He's only number 2 whipping boy.
N'Zogbia is 3, Collins is at 4 and only at 4 because he didn't cost us a goal today
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So you think the tackle he made was acceptable? LOL. Make no mistake that was worthy of a red card. He has just been lucky with decisions such as this game, the West Brom game when he made a similar foul and the game against Wigan when he fouled a player in the box that could have easily been a pen.
I'm sorry but this view that Hutton's a dirty player just doesn't stack up. He's a defender so you'd expect him to pick up more cards but he's got no reds, and less yellows than Gabby and Stan. He's also not given any pens away. He can't be lucky all of the time.
He just looks a very average player, just like he looked before we signed him. I'm not sure why anyone expected anything else.
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Beye has taken a lot of stick but i would much prefer him at right back,Hutton is just very poor and cannot see why AM bought him.
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We need to try something different to Dunne, Herd, Petrov and then the three Idiots (Hutton, Warnock, Collins) as our defensive set up. All those last three have been poor enough to deserve being dropped. Id even go as far as
Given
Cuellar Dunne Clark
Herd Petrov
Bannan Jenas
Nzogbia Gabby
Bent
against weaker teams. I really want to see us try and win a game.
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Hutton had a decent game today but because he's a McLeish signing and number one whipping boy you all refuse to see it.
Apart from the fact he was lucky to get away with a red card tackle. Funny how you refuse to see that.
Also, I don't recall one poster having a bad word to say about Given and he's a McLeish signing. How does that support your argument?
It's very noble you're in the minority of defending McLeish for anything, but it's painfully obvious he has turned us into the new Blues. You'll open your eyes eventually. Then answer to yourself on why you was so blinded in the first place.
Not a player we've signed since this site has been up and running that Chris hasn't backed to the hilt however shit he's been. Then about a month after they leave he sort of admits they were bobbins. Same goes for the managers
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Hutton had a decent game today but because he's a McLeish signing and number one whipping boy you all refuse to see it.
That's a ridiculous argument, and one you're falling back on quite a lot recently.
The people criticising McLeish are only doing so because he used to manage Blues ... the people criticising Hutton are only doing so because McLeish signed him. it really is a totally pointless argument that is getting wheeled out as a last ditch, weapon of last resort.
McLeish signed Given, too, but there's not been a word of criticism of him, and why is this?
Because he's good. Hutton is positionally hopeless and has a proclivity to make brainless over the top challenges. He's just not very good., and that is the reason people are having a go at him.
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Beye has taken a lot of stick but i would much prefer him at right back,Hutton is just very poor and cannot see why AM bought him.
How did Beye get on with Donny?
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0-0 Beye had a very good game by all accounts
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In fairness to Hutton the support he gets from the man in front of him, Charlie Zoggy, is somewhat erratic to say the least. I thought his performance today was an improvement on his horror shows to date.
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I thought Hutton’s yellow card was utterly needless but it was in keeping with our overall tackling in the game. A neutral watching us last night would have thought we were just a dirty team -Delph, Hutton, Dunne all booked for coming through the back of a player, and Warnock should have received one too for an appalling foul in a dangerous position on the edge of our box. Our tackling really needs to be sorted out: defenders should take a yellow for a good reason, not for a stupid lunge in a non-threatening situation.
Hutton is fast developing a national reputation as a dirty player and refs will at some point start to hand out cards more quickly leading either to him getting a red or having to hold back on challenges which will allow his man to get past him and create havoc.
I see Chris’ point - I didn’t think Hutton had an awful game (notwithstanding his awful reading of the crossfield ball referred to above), as he was rarely passed by his winger, but I always felt he was liable to lunge in and get a second yellow.
Overall I think he may simply be a throwback to the old school “let him know you’re there with your first tackle, son” , but the days of refs allowing you one free clog before tightening up are long gone.
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Hutton has been poor since we signed him I would like to try another option at right back to see if that makes any difference it couldn't do any harm.
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I think Hutton has a lot more ability then he is showing currently as he seems like a liability.
But I would play Lichaj or Herd at right back before him at the mo.
McLeish spunked a large part of his budget on him though so that's not likely to happen, I know.
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AM is in the mail tonight saying how we have to cut down on our bookings. Makes you wonder. If he's not telling the likes of Hutton to to play that way, then who is?
edit: found it
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“I was a wee bit disappointed with the bookings that we got,” said McLeish. “We were a wee bit rash at times. We needed to keep our heads. We were too rash.
“There’s nothing wrong with adhering to the team talk from me, which was asking for real aggression – but I did call for controlled aggression
“There’s a difference. I didn’t want them to be reckless. I told them to be careful.
“I said ‘Let’s not get early cards because you put yourself under pressure for the rest of the game’.
“It’s about reading the game a wee bit and not getting drawn into heavy tackles.
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Kick the shit out 'em lads but in a "controlled way"
http://www.birminghammail.net/birmingham-sport/aston-villa-fc/aston-villa-news/2011/11/29/aston-villa-players-warned-to-control-themselves-as-suspensions-loom-97319-29862177/