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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: rutski on November 19, 2011, 07:49:01 PM
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After the olbeyun game in which Woy had so vociferously bemoaned the blatant thuggery of our players in which Hutton put in a double leg breaking tackle (obviously it wasnt a double leg breaker as he didnt end up with a double broken leg or even 2 broken legs), and his centre forward had knee ligament damage and wouldnt be able to play for 6-8 weeks i find it amazing that 2 weeks after said incident Long was in full training with the Eire squad and not only started the game at home to Bolton but also scored!
Have the olbeyun employed Jesus onto their medical team and is the return to fitness of Long Lazarusesque??
do we need to get in touch with the catholic church to say a miracle has been witnessed or is Woy just a Giant Cockend?
Regards
Still Fuming!
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The fact that he wasn't crippled doesn't mean it was an absolutely awful tackle and one that people were quite right to get upset over.
Roy talked an awful lot of bollocks in the aftermath of that match, but he didn't say much to disagree with over the Hutton tackle.
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Be thankful he is ok to carry on playing. Some footballers would love to be able to do this. It probably one of these mountain out of molehill behavior.
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The fact that he wasn't crippled doesn't mean it was an absolutely awful tackle and one that people were quite right to get upset over.
Roy talked an awful lot of bollocks in the aftermath of that match, but he didn't say much to disagree with over the Hutton tackle.
Yes he did, he talked complete bollocks to divert attention from his own player cheating to get Herd sent off. If you get "upset" about that tackle then you're following the wrong game
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The fact that he wasn't crippled doesn't mean it was an absolutely awful tackle and one that people were quite right to get upset over.
Roy talked an awful lot of bollocks in the aftermath of that match, but he didn't say much to disagree with over the Hutton tackle.
Yes he did, he talked complete bollocks to divert attention from his own player cheating to get Herd sent off. If you get "upset" about that tackle then you're following the wrong game
Quite right. To me it was'nt even a tackle. To tackle someone, the player your tackling has to have the ball at his feet, which Long did'nt.
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The Albion game was 4 weeks ago yesterday. So he was out for 4 weeks instead of 6. Maybe not quite the miracle cure the OP thinks it is.
There was some hysteria after the tackle, but it was definitely a bit of a 'dodgy' challenge.
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The Albion game was 4 weeks ago yesterday. So he was out for 4 weeks instead of 6. Maybe not quite the miracle cure the OP thinks it is.
There was some hysteria after the tackle, but it was definitely a bit of a 'dodgy' challenge.
Missing the fact the OP pointed out that he was training with the Ireland squad two weeks ago.
And if by 'dodgy' you mean 'strong but fair' then I agree. Hutton intended to win the ball and won it. Now I know that's not the definition of a good challenge but I firmly believe there was no intent to hurt Long, nor was he negligently reckless in his tackle. It was a strong tackle and unfortunately Long went down with what turned out to be a relatively minor injury. Hodgson's bleating after the game was, as Chris said, just a diversion tactic so that the discussion wasn't all about his cheating centre-half.
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Missing the fact he still didn't play for 4 weeks. Yesterday was his first game since the tackle.
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i am probably a little more sensitive to this subject than most as my local is rammed full of baggies fans. i have taken and still taking dogs abuse of these feckers.the constant talk of our strong arm tactics and how it is a shame a once great team like villa resort to thuggery on the pitch. apparantly even before herds sending off they were all over us and in total control!
in my view hutton made a strong challenge and "laced" the ball and was in total control. Matt le tissier even said on sky sports he thought long maybe should not have gone for it. Woy just wound me up more and more after the game. Even Scharner on soccer am was bleating how great it was to win the "Derby matches". just beat the bleeders at the olbeyun next april villa, please!
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On 5-Live yesterday both the "reporter" and Olbiun staff specifically mentioned Hutton's name so many times that I had to conclude they were doing it on purpose...
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I do wonder how that challenge would be viewed if it had been Shorey making that tackle and putting Gabby out for 4 weeks.
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Hutton's tackle looked worse because Llong was clearly intent on hurtinh Hutton, but missed.
Lots of bollox being talked.
Woy ought to take Jerome Thomas off for some tackling lessons: two penalties conceded - rightly awarded - because his winger cannot tackle properly.
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I do wonder how that challenge would be viewed if it had been Shorey making that tackle and putting Gabby out for 4 weeks.
shorey would never have made a tackle! And did you see the mulumbu one against gabby in the second half? he was on a yellow and Woy took him off immediately as gabby had jumped out the way. anyway, i am not just on about a tackle putting someone out for 2 weeks, long would have been fit if the olbeyun had have had games, i am on about the hystrionics after the game!
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I do wonder how that challenge would be viewed if it had been Shorey making that tackle and putting Gabby out for 4 weeks.
It wouldn't have happened. None of that lot would ever commit a foul.
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I do wonder how that challenge would be viewed if it had been Shorey making that tackle and putting Gabby out for 4 weeks.
It wouldn't have happened. None of that lot would ever commit a foul.
Like when Alistair Robertson tapped Alex Cropley on the ankle!
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A photo on the Guardian website of the Hutton challenge, entitled "a bad tackle", shows clearly that Hutton followed through well after he'd got the ball, and that his studs were aimed directly at Long's leg. Sorry I don;t know how to embed it here. The accompanying article also explained how Hutton has got form for those kind of challenges. The more one-eyed among you can try and defend it all you like, but I doubt you'll convince many unbiased observers. Regardless of getting the ball he endangered another player, simple as. You would all be apoplectic if an Albion player had done it to Gabby, you know you would, so having a go at Woy for rightly being upset is disingenuous to say the least.
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Loads of tackles endanger other players, it's a contact sport and injuries are an occupational hazard. As for the thing about the follow through, have you ever made a tackle? How are you supposed to stop once your in motion?
Some people will not be happy until tackling is outlawed completely.
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Yes I've made plenty of tackles thanks, and I've managed to do so mostly fairly and with no danger of seriously hurting my opponent. I've also been on the receiving end of a few that nothing to do with it being a contact sport, or even a sport, they were aimed to hurt and hurt badly. I'm fully aware it's a contact sport and I genuinely despair at the amount of perfectly safe and fair challenges that not only get penalised but result in yellow or even red cards. But this was nothing like a fair or safe challenge and using the "outlawing of tackles" argument simply doesn't apply in this case. How do you stop yourself? Well you can't once you've launched yourself. But the simple fact is you should not be launching yourself through the air towards an opponent with studs aimed squarely at his legs in the first place, ball or no ball.
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A photo on the Guardian website of the Hutton challenge, entitled "a bad tackle", shows clearly that Hutton followed through well after he'd got the ball, and that his studs were aimed directly at Long's leg. Sorry I don;t know how to embed it here. The accompanying article also explained how Hutton has got form for those kind of challenges. The more one-eyed among you can try and defend it all you like, but I doubt you'll convince many unbiased observers. Regardless of getting the ball he endangered another player, simple as. You would all be apoplectic if an Albion player had done it to Gabby, you know you would, so having a go at Woy for rightly being upset is disingenuous to say the least.
Just like taking quotes out of context can change their meaning, using one photo from one angle is a long way from proof a tackle was bad. If the photo you refer to (which I haven't seen) is side on you've got no real concept of depth perception. My recollection of it was that it was his trailing leg that hit Long rather than his studs.
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The accompanying article also explained how Hutton has got form for those kind of challenges. The more one-eyed among you can try and defend it all you like, but I doubt you'll convince many unbiased observers.
I'm not being 'one eyed' about it at all. I just saw it as a player going for the ball, not the player.
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Loads of tackles endanger other players, it's a contact sport and injuries are an occupational hazard. As for the thing about the follow through, have you ever made a tackle? How are you supposed to stop once your in motion?
Some people will not be happy until tackling is outlawed completely.
The laws have changed to give referees the power to penalise takles where they deem the player to be out of control even if they get something on the ball. Hutton was out of control and would have broken Long's leg if it had been planted.
The pace of the game has made this more likely than 20 years ago which is why I think the laws have got tighter.
I must admit, like the referee, I didn't really see how bad it was from the Lower Holte until I saw the replay, which shows how difficult their job is at times.
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The accompanying article also explained how Hutton has got form for those kind of challenges. The more one-eyed among you can try and defend it all you like, but I doubt you'll convince many unbiased observers.
I'm not being 'one eyed' about it at all. I just saw it as a player going for the ball, not the player.
As has already been said, many times, going for the ball is irrelevant if you are deemed to endanger the opponent in the process. You said yourself Long didn't have the ball, so it wasn't an actual tackle. Thus if Hutton was going for the ball, and only the ball, he needn't have ended up anywhere near Long, he could have won it cleanly without the lunge.