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Title: Don't panic - yet
Post by: Merv on October 27, 2011, 01:53:08 PM
Hi all,

First time I've mentioned it on here, but I've been writing a Villa column/blog for ESPN for the last few weeks. Would welcome your feedback - you can post comments under each article.

Latest one is a reaction to the Albion game, and can be found here: http://bit.ly/tE9zYC (http://bit.ly/tE9zYC)



Title: Re: Don't panic - yet
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on October 27, 2011, 03:14:09 PM
Good stuff.

How you find time to write about the Villa and be the Governor of the Bank of England, I'll never know.
Title: Re: Don't panic - yet
Post by: Merv on October 27, 2011, 03:25:31 PM
I've been letting the finance stuff slide recently. Takes care of itself, doesn't it? Oh.
Title: Re: Don't panic - yet
Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on October 27, 2011, 03:49:10 PM
I'm sorry but I don't trust men with moustaches.
Title: Re: Don't panic - yet
Post by: ktvillan on October 27, 2011, 04:01:24 PM
Good article and I pretty much agree with eveything you've said there.  A good analysis of McLeish's rather bizarre and baffling response to going down to 10 men on Saturday.
Title: Re: Don't panic - yet
Post by: glasses on October 27, 2011, 05:03:37 PM
A good read that Merv, as I have posted on another thread, the reactions of the players and manager troubled me more than the officials cock-ups.
Title: Re: Don't panic - yet
Post by: dave.woodhall on October 27, 2011, 05:18:45 PM
The comments. What does "give us our club back" mean? When have 'we' ever owned 'our' club?
Title: Re: Don't panic - yet
Post by: paulcomben on October 27, 2011, 05:42:18 PM
Agree with the article that there are things to worry about. But, we have never lost 1-6 at home to our city rivals, so let's enjoy Fergie's suffering and this made me laugh a lot:

http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/sport/sport-headlines/england-demands-its-own-word-for-'schadenfreude'-201110244456/

Title: Re: Don't panic - yet
Post by: Mister E on October 27, 2011, 05:52:18 PM
Nice one, Merv.
You identified the two things that will make us (if fixed) or break us (if left alone) this season: our weak CMF - a problem we've had since before MON crawled away - and ill-discipline at set pieces. The latter was awful last season and clearly remains an issue (as witnessed by the goals conceded to WBA and two of the Citeh goals). It's also a bit of an irony since we expected McMinge (with his playing history and with the defensive nature of his previous sides) to at least sort this aspect out.

Short-term, I'd be drafting Clark into midfield; that way, we potentially deal with both issues. Alongside Herd and Petrov we'd have a solid CMF three and can afford to play Ireland (at least in BB's temporary absence) behind the central striker.
Title: Re: Don't panic - yet
Post by: darren woolley on October 27, 2011, 05:54:55 PM
Good article.
Title: Re: Don't panic - yet
Post by: Legion on October 27, 2011, 07:14:24 PM
You need a shave. Other than that, very well written. Would be good if you could re-post here if they will let you.
Title: Re: Don't panic - yet
Post by: cheltenhamlion on October 27, 2011, 07:46:16 PM
Bizarre twist to this tale but stay with me.

I got asked to write a chapter in a kids adventure book today. It will be published and they start the story. Asked to write based on what they have heard and read about my H+V writings.

Now you must consider most of what I write is about football being shit.

Through work, and odd if you ask me, but as a, ahem published author, that's why they are excited!

Woodhall, you have created a monster it seems.

 So, there was this boy wizard with a funny scar.....
Title: Re: Don't panic - yet
Post by: Legion on October 27, 2011, 07:48:49 PM
Lock him up.
Title: Re: Don't panic - yet
Post by: cheltenhamlion on October 27, 2011, 07:53:41 PM
What? The wizard? I wish they would the speccy little shit.
Title: Re: Don't panic - yet
Post by: Louzie0 on October 27, 2011, 07:59:20 PM
Agree with the article that there are things to worry about. But, we have never lost 1-6 at home to our city rivals, so let's enjoy Fergie's suffering and this made me laugh a lot:

http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/sport/sport-headlines/england-demands-its-own-word-for-'schadenfreude'-201110244456/
.

And in the spirit of the link, I'd like to suggest, 'roflfan' in a purely sporting context.
Title: Re: Don't panic - yet
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on October 27, 2011, 09:09:25 PM
Good read that pretty much sums it up for me.
A good team is one that responds well to adversity....we were shit in that department on Saturday.

I live in hope for the next game.....as always!
Title: Re: Don't panic - yet
Post by: olaftab on October 27, 2011, 09:45:56 PM
Good succinct  piece Kevin. Of course you have copied every thing I posted in the post match thread! ;)
Title: Re: Don't panic - yet
Post by: Merv on October 28, 2011, 09:34:46 AM
The comments. What does "give us our club back" mean? When have 'we' ever owned 'our' club?

Yeah, agree that was an odd one. Not entirely sure why the guy was pleading with Santa to give us the club back... most of the comments so far have been pretty good but I've noticed a few now taking on a 'Lerner out' stance.
Title: Re: Don't panic - yet
Post by: MarkM on October 28, 2011, 09:38:53 AM
The comments. What does "give us our club back" mean? When have 'we' ever owned 'our' club?

Yeah, agree that was an odd one. Not entirely sure why the guy was pleading with Santa to give us the club back... most of the comments so far have been pretty good but I've noticed a few now taking on a 'Lerner out' stance.

Its more frustration than anything else, its like being shown a pile of chrismas presents under the tree on christmas morning, being made to turn around and when you turn back they are gone...

Most Lerner out sentiments are being aired out of frustration and a lack of any input / guidance on the clubs future from the board
Title: Re: Don't panic - yet
Post by: Merv on October 28, 2011, 09:48:24 AM
You need a shave. Other than that, very well written. Would be good if you could re-post here if they will let you.

I also need to stop grinning like an idiot in pictures!

Title: Re: Don't panic - yet
Post by: Vanilla on October 28, 2011, 12:03:32 PM
The comments. What does "give us our club back" mean? When have 'we' ever owned 'our' club?

It is exactly the same as when people say 'Get out of my country!'

'Oh, your country is it? Have you got a proof of purchase?'
Title: Re: Don't panic - yet
Post by: N'ZMAV on October 28, 2011, 12:49:29 PM
don't panic yet? A lot of people were panicing before this managerial appointment was made. A lack luster summer, best players going, and the obvious 'tightening of the belt' means that panic is the only button to press for some.

I am holding out for some sort of positive from this era, as I always do. I'm probably blind, and/or very naive. But no matter what we get from Aston Villa, it always ends in tears.
Title: Re: Don't panic - yet
Post by: dave.woodhall on October 28, 2011, 02:25:22 PM
For some of our supporters 'panic' is the default mode.
Title: Re: Don't panic - yet
Post by: Chris Smith on October 28, 2011, 02:58:17 PM
Not sure I agree with the point about being a man down not making a difference at set pieces. Herd got sent off in a tangle with Olssen at a set piece so it was clearly "his man". When you lose a player the plans you made before the game for dealing with those situations are disrupted. They still should have done better but it's wrong to say it makes no difference.

We've now conceded 4 from corners in 2 games but prior to that we'd defended them very well. Let's hope it's just a weird blip and not a return to the bad old ways of last season.
Title: Re: Don't panic - yet
Post by: Merv on October 28, 2011, 03:51:14 PM
I see your point, Chris, which in a way comes round to my point: we reacted poorly to being a man down. When you're down to ten men, the opposition should be able to hurt you in open play, by pushing you into 2 v 1 situations and using their numerical advantage.

Set pieces... although Herd was marking Olsson at set pieces up until his dismissal, it really should have been easy enough to re-organise the defence to delegate Herd's marking duties to someone else. We should have done that... I don't think being a man down could be used as an excuse to concede two from set pieces. As you say, we've looked vulnerable in those situations in the past couple of weeks.

Title: Re: Don't panic - yet
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on October 28, 2011, 04:21:53 PM
Even with Dunne and Collins, as well as the very experienced Given, we don't seem to be able to dominate at set pieces which we did so well two seasons ago. We just seem so lacksadaisical when the ball is chucked in and sides with big players must love putting us under pressure. It seems to have become a well-known weakness of ours that far too many teams capitalise on when they play us. eg Stoke: when Delap went to take the throw in last game against them you just knew Kenwyn Jones was gonna nod it in. And guess what?
If we can see it in the offing why can't the pro's?
Am I being too simplistic?
Is it something we can't plan for?
Title: Re: Don't panic - yet
Post by: Tony Boucher on October 31, 2011, 12:30:22 PM
Very good article that - pretty much reflecting my own thoughts, but in an articulate manner.  However your topic heading did call to mind a Simpsons quote:

Kent Brockman: So, professor, would you say it's time for everyone to panic?
Professor: Yes I would, Kent.

And another one for good luck:

Kent Brockman: Professor, without knowing precisely what the danger is, would you say it's time for our viewers to crack each other's heads open and feast on the goo inside?"
Professor: Yes I would, Kent
Title: Re: Don't panic - yet
Post by: UsualSuspect on October 31, 2011, 12:50:46 PM
Good article
Title: Re: Don't panic - yet
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on October 31, 2011, 03:38:15 PM
Someone pointed this out to me earlier

Aston Villa's results this season and Birmingham City's results against the same teams last season.


Sunderland 2 v 2 Aston Villa
Sunderland 2 v 2 Birmingham City


Aston Villa 1 v 2 West Brom
Birmingham City 1 v 3 West Brom


Man City 4 v 1 Aston Villa
Man City 0 v 0 Blues


Everton 2 v 2 Aston Villa
Everton 1 v 1 Birmingham City


Aston Villa 0 v 0 Wolves
Birmingham City 1 v 1 Wolves


Aston Villa 3 v 1 Blackburn
Birmingham City 2 v 1 V Blackburn


Fulham 0 v 0 Aston Villa
Fulham 1 v 1 Birmingham City

Blues were 1 point better off
Title: Re: Don't panic - yet
Post by: PeterWithesShin on October 31, 2011, 04:10:56 PM
Aston Villa 2 - 0 Wigan
Birmingham 0 - 0 Wigan

So they were actually worse off than we are.
Title: Re: Don't panic - yet
Post by: Stu on October 31, 2011, 04:16:47 PM
Someone pointed this out to me earlier

Aston Villa's results this season and Birmingham City's results against the same teams last season.

Blues were 1 point better off

That's misleading though, there's no attention paid to context. IE, what the games meant, when they were played, what (if any) injuries there were, etc.
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