Heroes & Villains, the Aston Villa fanzine
Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: The Laughing Policeman on October 25, 2011, 01:33:16 AM
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I know it's purely hypothetical, but given the number of ' Randy is looking to sell' and 'Randy out' type posts just recently I thought it might be interesting to see which way this one goes.
For me the answer is no. There's no way I'd want to see our great club with all it's history, becoming part of the problem that is modern football.
I honestly don't think I would take any enjoyment out of winning any trophy if I knew that the only reason we won it was because of our buying power.
Look back at the most successful side we produced in the twentieth century. The Saunders/Barton squad was made up of reasonably priced players, other clubs cast offs and home grown talent.
That's what gives me pride in our club, not this incessant clamour for instant success.
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It would feel pretty hollow to be honest, having said that, if the alternative is the turgid, dross that were serving up at the moment were by our only objective is to survive, then bring on the £.
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I'm not going to lie, I'd love it. I think Lerner has done a great job and I'm really pleased with the majority of what he's done at the club, but the sad fact is that the only way to really compete at the top these days is to have an insanely rich owner. Lerner may be rich, just not rich enough.
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Much as I want success it would be at the price of selling the soul of the club. The way the media fawns over citeh, manure, Chelsea etc. that's not for me.
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Ah, the classic Faustian pact. A firm 'ظ. لا, أبدا ' from me.
Arabic for 'No'
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The chance to see the talents of the likes of Silva play for us.Being able to hold onto our best players rather than see them sold when they are hitting their peak and actually going into a season believing that we can compete for silverware.I'd love it.
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To be honest I find the level of wealth at Villa at the moment more than a little unpalatable in relative size to most other clubs, and indeed most other walks of life. So the thought of increasing that by 10 or 100 times honestly and completely leaves me cold.
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To be honest I find the level of wealth at Villa at the moment more than a little unpalatable in relative size to most other clubs, and indeed most other walks of life. So the thought of increasing that by 10 or 100 times honestly and completely leaves me cold.
It really doesn't bother me.Sure there are players getting in one week what i'd consider to be a great salary, but that's just the way it is.If we didn't pay the big wages then we wouldn't have the likes of Bent and Given in the squad and judging by the way the tranfer window threads on this site alone go mental the fans want the best available.
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All I can say is I've not enjoyed my last few trips to villa park - those being Bolton Newcastle and Albion. For me to not enjoy one Of the few things I genuinely love in life makes me sad. For this reason I'd say yes. I don't want to be like city tho, parity with Liverpool arsenal spurs etc would do me. Champs league hopes and the odd cup final was enough for me to really enjoy football
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It's a no from me.
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The problem being here that it is impossible to have more money than Man. City. They are owned by a family who make the Russian oligarchs look like paupers. None of the other Middle Eastern despots come within a country mile of their wealth.
City have brought this rich owner process to its ultimate conclusion, the question now is what will happen next? A european super league. 20 top clubs pull up the trapdoor and share out all the TV money and the rest of us are left playing matches that will be shown on Sky 6 or 7 on a Tuesday or Thursday to pad out the real competitions where Man City and that crowd from Chechyna battle it out for the Champs league of 2020.
Would I like Villa to have this money? I dont honestly know? As for losing the soul of the club I fear we are a long way down that road already, maybe too far
Would I like to beat Man Utd 1-6 at Old Trafford and have my children watching David Silva as opposed to Jermaine Jenas ............I'd Fkng love it
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I don't know, either way I have been priced out of the game.
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I think I would rather have rules put into football that genuinely level the playing field. A salary cap and wage cap football-wide, making the game a genuine competition based on skill, wits, intelligence and local pride would be brilliant. That would do for me.
The system in its present state where you can quite literally buy success (and its been like this for a long time, steadily becoming more and more absurd) makes an absolute mockery of the term "sport". Relying on a richer owner to come along and gazump the current richest owners in the game would supply a short term fix of excitement for me but, ultimately, it would all become pretty stale and hollow.
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Yes yes YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
it makes me sick to say it but having a millionaire owner isnt enough these days. Im sick of best players leaving as soon as they get a whiff of ginger
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I'm a Villa fan. I want Villa to win matches and trophies. So a big 'yes' from me.
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I think I would rather have rules put into football that genuinely level the playing field. A salary cap and wage cap football-wide, making the game a genuine competition based on skill, wits, intelligence and local pride would be brilliant. That would do for me.
The system in its present state where you can quite literally buy success (and its been like this for a long time, steadily becoming more and more absurd) makes an absolute mockery of the term "sport". Relying on a richer owner to come along and gazump the current richest owners in the game would supply a short term fix of excitement for me but, ultimately, it would all become pretty stale and hollow.
This for me
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I'll admit to being a bit jealous of Citeh and would love to see the likes of Silva playing for Villa. But my answer is still a firm no. Sooner or later I believe there will be a European Super Duper Sky Sensational Sunday Soccer League with no relegation from or promotion to it, and football's soul will have finally been sold to those teams whose sole motivation is to get bigger slices of bigger financial pies. Sport would be a long way second. When that day comes away games would be beyond reach certainly for me, and although some would argue (quite rightly) how great it would be to see the likes of Barcelona at VP, the game as a sport would have gone for me, and if Villa were part of it I'd be off watching Harriers.
As an aside and by way of a sort of illustration, at the weekend I witnessed multi millionaires playing on Saturday, and on Sunday I took my dog for a walk and watched the village under-16 team playing. Guess which game was hugely more enjoyable even though both 'my' teams lost?
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I think I would rather have rules put into football that genuinely level the playing field. A salary cap and wage cap football-wide, making the game a genuine competition based on skill, wits, intelligence and local pride would be brilliant. That would do for me.
The system in its present state where you can quite literally buy success (and its been like this for a long time, steadily becoming more and more absurd) makes an absolute mockery of the term "sport". Relying on a richer owner to come along and gazump the current richest owners in the game would supply a short term fix of excitement for me but, ultimately, it would all become pretty stale and hollow.
This for me
Either restore a more even playing field or have the 'elite' f*ck off to their super league and give us our game back. Either of these would be infinitely prefereable to becoming the very thing we hate.
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I think I would rather have rules put into football that genuinely level the playing field. A salary cap and wage cap football-wide, making the game a genuine competition based on skill, wits, intelligence and local pride would be brilliant. That would do for me.
The system in its present state where you can quite literally buy success (and its been like this for a long time, steadily becoming more and more absurd) makes an absolute mockery of the term "sport". Relying on a richer owner to come along and gazump the current richest owners in the game would supply a short term fix of excitement for me but, ultimately, it would all become pretty stale and hollow.
This for me
... and me, although I can't see it happening, the soul of football is dead!
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No one seemed too fussed when Randy was splashing the cash for a few years. So where does just investing in the club stop and ruining football by buying success begin? £30m a year, 50, 100?
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A no from me - Success but not at any cost , and in this case I think selling your soul is the cost if you just buy the league/cups. I would like our Randy to punch a bit to his finacial weight and let us compete with the Tottenham's of this world as I think the top 3/4 are out of sight at the moment
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Depends. If he / she was basically benign, Randy but richer, I'd probably get over it. But I don't think it's likely.
I was having an argument with a Chelsea supporter about this (and if you'd wanted an improvisation by two middle aged farts on the themes of sad and pathetic, you'd have to go a long way), and I was basically saying I'd rather get relegated than see Villa shirts on fat kids in parks all over London.
I meant it, so it's a finger wagging no from me.
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Another angle for this, is if you dont want the money, but want to watch a team that can compete against their opponents every week, then the only way this will happen for us, is relegation.
Randy is cutting his cloth accordingly, and as for the tactically astute management and coaching staff we have, that to me is where this season will end.
Then we can be the billy big bollocks of the championship.
vtid
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I'm a Villa fan. I want Villa to win matches and trophies. So a big 'yes' from me.
I agree with you totally.
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In the past couple of years, Citeh have bought and dispensed with, for example, the likes of Emmanuel Adebayor, Robinho and Santa Cruz, on loan or on partial transfers. Those three players alone have cost them near to £100 million in transfer fees and wages for virtually no reward.
Yet MON is still criticised for wasting 20 odd million on unsuccessful players, trying to rebuild a whole team over the space of four years, even though we made large profits on the better purchases.
Yet, manure, 'pool, Chelsea and Spurs have also wasted millions & millions on poor signings.
That's why we will never get anywhere. Villa fans are to willing to tow the party line and critically analyse every signing, as though we should judge each player on whether they are up to scoring a goal in the Champions League Final..
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Some Villa fans would still find reason to moan.
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As do some City fans now. A few of my friends from work are City supporters (and yes they are from the Manchester office) and if you get them talking about footbally over drinks they all seem to say the same thing. It's great to watch, but the soul of the club that they fell in love with and grew up with in the 80's, 90's and 00's has completely and utterly disappeared.
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Whenever the middle / upper classes / wealthy get involved in sport then the soul is lost - this goes for any sport
Anyone growing up on a staple diet of cold meat pie and bovril as the fayre at a football match are amazed to see baguette du monde and 36 types of coffee available with a nice chardonay for half time.
Football has catered for the wealthy fan (lets face it most have to be pretty comfortable to afford a game nowdays) and that is where the game has changed
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Long gone are the days of appointing a manager to get the best out of average players to win trophies, so as much as I dont like how football is going, buying your way to success is the only way in modern football.
I told my Man Ure supporting friend after their defeat on Sunday that this was a bad day for football, but he disagreed and said it was the best thing that could happen. Why? His reasoning was that it may encourage the Glazers to sell to the Qatar Royals making them instantly much richer with much more buying power than Citeh.
With the financial fairplay rules and the call for the removal of relegation, this European or potentially Global Super League is getting closer and closer....
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Could be argued that any successful club past/present has bought success even if they've bought just ONE player who contributes to that success.
Peter Withe cost approx £500,000 when the club signed him which i imagine to some clubs at the time was an absolute fortune to spend, and which was the clubs record signing at the time. I dont think its the amount of money spent by city thats the main gripe, its the level of finances available to them when compared to the 99.9% of the football league clubs.
I cant imagine that if R.L was considering giving-up his involvement, and found Sheikh Multi Billionaire as his replacement worth £30 billion quid, any Villa fan would say - Nah, Jog on Sheikh, we're fine as things are.
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Its the way it is, either you except a club that is simply not competing for the top trophies or you get on board and except to do that in the modern game you need to spend big.
The fact that all this greed in the game will eventually see it of has no reflection on the fact that a wealthy owner would see us competing at the top and seeing decent football would be a respite, simply because the other will happen whether or not Villa get a wealthy owner.
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If it were possible to have the game reformed from top to bottom, to ensure a more even playing field and to create an affordable, competitive league, I would choose that over and above anything else.
However, it isn't going to happen, so yes, I would be as happy as a pig in shit if we were bought by a multi billionaire.
It's horrible that football is like that, but if it is going to be that way, I'd rather we were the club with the money. If leagues are going to be bought with such impunity, then I'd rather it was us buying them.
I also suspect a large number of those who voted no would soon change their minds if we started buying players of the level of Aguero, Tevez, Silva etc etc rather than watching Heskey and Hutton lumber about like a pair of lobotomised pub players.
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If it happened I would start up FC Villa of Aston
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As the 'way of modern football' isn't gonna change, then yes. I want the best for this club. That means we need fantastic financial backing.
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Yes for me!
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Man City are everything that is wrong about modern day football, for me. Having said that, and as much as i'd hate it, it's the only way i'll see us win major honours in my lifetime.