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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: eastie on October 24, 2011, 09:39:51 AM
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TWO footballers were arrested on suspicion of drink driving yesterday after the car they were in slammed into the central reservation of a motorway.
Aston Villa ace Barry Bannan, 21, and Shrewsbury Town striker James Collins, 20, were picked up by police as they walked through nearby Bulwell, Notts, after the 5.30am smash.
Police closed part of the M1 after the black Range Rover careered off the road.
Arrest ... Barry BrannanA source in the town said: "Police breathalysed both men before they got into the back of the squad cars."
Scottish international Bannan spent nine hours at Nottingham's Bridewell police station where he was quizzed by officers following the smash in a black Range Rover near junction 26. He left at around 5pm yesterday.
Last night police said: "Two men were arrested shortly after 7am on suspicion of drink driving and failing to stop at the scene of an accident.
"No other vehicles were involved and there were no reported injuries. Both have been bailed pending further inquiries and will return at a date in December."
Midfielder Bannan has played 20 times for Villa — including Saturday's 2-1 home defeat to West Brom — and has nine caps.
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WITNESSES to the collision should call 0300 300 9999 ext 8002241.
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/3889528/Prem-aces-M1-drink-rap.html
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Why have both men been arrested on suspicion of drink driving if only one car was involved? Presumably they didn't admit to who was driving.
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Twats the both of them if true. I won't cry if it leads to a jail sentence.
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Twats the both of them if true. I won't cry if it leads to a jail sentence.
Agreed
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Not just the drink driving but also fleeing the scene of an accident as well, i wonder whose car they were travelling in?
I have no sympathy for drink drivers and its fortunate that nobody was hurt in this incident-if guilty they deserve to be heavily punished.
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I've lost a lot of respect for Bannan after this, there's no excuse for drink driving.
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Silly men.
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Why have both men been arrested on suspicion of drink driving if only one car was involved? Presumably they didn't admit to who was driving.
I would assume so but whoever was the passenger they would be well aware if the driver was over the limit and are both fools.
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well im pretty sure wee baz only has a 206/306 so i'd say he was probably not the driver
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well im pretty sure wee baz only has a 206/306 so i'd say he was probably not the driver
Maybe he was celebrating getting a new motor. I would expect a prem league squad member could afford one ahead of a div 2 striker. Although all the police need to do is see which side had the booster seat.
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Will wait to see all the facts.
However, if true they should be thoroughly ashamed of themselves. You cannot endanger other peoples lives.
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Poor Barry Bannan. At his size one half a shandy and he's over the limit. Probably.
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Has Bannan passed his driving test? Last I remember he had failed twice.
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Maybe not, which is why they've both been done if Barry was driving and Collins was the qualified driver.
No sympathy if the facts show they're in the wrong.
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I've lost a lot of respect for Bannan after this, there's no excuse for drink driving.
What happened to the principle of presumption of innocence?
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Hmmmm wait and see what transpires.
He seems like a homely sort to me though.
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man. When it rains it pours. Let's hope he's proved to be innocent because more negative news is the last thing we need as a club right now. And especially from one of the few glimmers of light we've had this season.
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Wasn't Pat Heard teaching him to drive? If true it looks like he's emulating Merson instead of Heard.
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Can I remind some posters that no one has been found guilty yet in a court of law and as far as we know charges may well be careless driving rather than anything else at this juncture.
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Typical
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Exactly the same as I posted on the Merson thread, if either BB or Collins are guilty of drink driving, bang them up for a few years.
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With the money they earn, if they had been drinking they could easily pay for a taxi to where ever they wanted to go, so they'd be nuts to drive.
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To clarify the reason for both being arrested.....
Single vehicle crashes and occupants are nowhere to be found, search of area commenced and 2 males located in the vicinity, both are under influence and one is the registered keeper of the crashed vehicle. Both deny being the driver at the time of the crash and both provide positive breath tests. Both are arrested on suspicion of drink drive and taken to custody to undergo station breath test procedure.
Both will remain in custody until sober enough for interview.
Both may be bailed to ...
a) await results of blood samples (if the custody result is between 40 - 50 microgrammes of alcohol per 100 millilitres of breath).
b) appeal for witnesses/complete enquiries into the collision to identify who was driving.
I would reserve judgement until we see if either are charged with any offences yet. We don't know the full story.
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He was driving a black range rover at bodymoor last month when my lad got his autograph
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Can he actually reach the pedals?
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Well he's taller that Alan Wright, and he could reach the pedals of his Ferrari...
At a stretch.
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Bless, he's turning into a proper Premiership Footballer...
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He was driving a black range rover at bodymoor last month when my lad got his autograph
Well I've read somewhere it was a range river that's crashed.
He will just lose his licence, he won't get banged up will he?
Edit: I read it in the opening post. Ha ha
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He was driving a black range rover at bodymoor last month when my lad got his autograph
Well I've read somewhere it was a range river that's crashed.
He will just lose his licence, he won't get banged up will he?
Edit: I read it in the opening post. Ha ha
IF the reports of him and Collins leaving, both being over the limit and the possible action of not supplying who was driving are all true, that is three very serious offences. But as D.Boy is a Plod, I'll expect he could answer this better once we know if (and for what) charges are applied.
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I've lost a lot of respect for Bannan after this, there's no excuse for drink driving.
What happened to the principle of presumption of innocence?
Very true but it's stories like these that make you worry Bannan could go the same way like Lee Hendrie if he isn't careful.
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Don't really understand the "leaving the scene of an accident" I thought that if no other vehicle was involved and no injuries then you could leave and report the accident within 24 hours?
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twat! footballers arent the sharpest tools in the box! get a bleeding cab you imbecile. you deserve full punishment.
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Those Hot Wheels cars can be fast thou , my 6 year old son shows me , so BB should be careful in a car like that ...
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Don't really understand the "leaving the scene of an accident" I thought that if no other vehicle was involved and no injuries then you could leave and report the accident within 24 hours?
I imagine that doesn't apply if you've left your car embedded in the central reservation of the busiest motorway in the country!!!
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If true, what is happening to our footballers, wasn't it reported on here that Dunne and Collins where seen together in B'ham CC on Sat night drinking and smoking and as if they didn't have a care in the world.
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If true, what is happening to our footballers, wasn't it reported on here that Dunne and Collins where seen together in B'ham CC on Sat night drinking and smoking and as if they didn't have a care in the world.
They dont . They kick a ball around for a few hours and get paid mega mega money .
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If true, what is happening to our footballers, wasn't it reported on here that Dunne and Collins where seen together in B'ham CC on Sat night drinking and smoking and as if they didn't have a care in the world.
They dont . They kick a ball around for a few hours and get paid mega mega money .
Even so, after the WBA game nobody can be that thick and that insensitive surely.
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If true, what is happening to our footballers, wasn't it reported on here that Dunne and Collins where seen together in B'ham CC on Sat night drinking and smoking and as if they didn't have a care in the world.
They dont . They kick a ball around for a few hours and get paid mega mega money .
Even so, after the WBA game nobody can be that thick and that insensitive surely.
If I have a shit day at work then a few beers out is just the tonic
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If true, what is happening to our footballers, wasn't it reported on here that Dunne and Collins where seen together in B'ham CC on Sat night drinking and smoking and as if they didn't have a care in the world.
A drink out without getting rat arsed is ok, smoking isn't going to help Dunnies pace though.
Speed might help ?
As for BB, I hope he's not going down a dodgy path.
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Don't really understand the "leaving the scene of an accident" I thought that if no other vehicle was involved and no injuries then you could leave and report the accident within 24 hours?
I imagine that doesn't apply if you've left your car embedded in the central reservation of the busiest motorway in the country!!!
Thought they'd driven away
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Surprised noone has mentioned yet that the way this club is going, we will all be driven to drink.
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Innocent until proven guilty but more negative PR to help keep us in the headlines for all the wrong reasons... bostin'!
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Alex McLeish Statement on Barry Bannan: “There are internal enquiries and an investigation going on and that’s all I can really say at the moment. We felt it was best that he did not train with the team today.” #avfc
Interesting to see what the 'anti-McLeish at all costs' brigade think of this. Are they waiting to see which way the club go eventually and then slag the decision? Damned if you do etc.
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Alex McLeish Statement on Barry Bannan: “There are internal enquiries and an investigation going on and that’s all I can really say at the moment. We felt it was best that he did not train with the team today.” #avfc
Interesting to see what the 'anti-McLeish at all costs' brigade think of this. Are they waiting to see which way the club go eventually and then slag the decision? Damned if you do etc.
They'd look idiots if they slagged him off for that. I don't actually believe footballers are role models or at least if you let your kids think they are you're a rather shit parent, but the club would get eaten alive by the press if they didn't be seen to be taking it seriously.
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Alex McLeish Statement on Barry Bannan: “There are internal enquiries and an investigation going on and that’s all I can really say at the moment. We felt it was best that he did not train with the team today.” #avfc
Interesting to see what the 'anti-McLeish at all costs' brigade think of this. Are they waiting to see which way the club go eventually and then slag the decision? Damned if you do etc.
You can hardly hold McLiesh to account for what Bannan decides to do in his private life, Bannan isn't a child and he's not AM'c child. They'd be mad.
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Alex McLeish Statement on Barry Bannan: “There are internal enquiries and an investigation going on and that’s all I can really say at the moment. We felt it was best that he did not train with the team today.” #avfc
Interesting to see what the 'anti-McLeish at all costs' brigade think of this. Are they waiting to see which way the club go eventually and then slag the decision? Damned if you do etc.
They'd look idiots if they slagged him off for that. I don't actually believe footballers are role models or at least if you let your kids think they are you're a rather shit parent, but the club would get eaten alive by the press if they didn't be seen to be taking it seriously.
I agree. Let's wait and see.
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Alex McLeish Statement on Barry Bannan: “There are internal enquiries and an investigation going on and that’s all I can really say at the moment. We felt it was best that he did not train with the team today.” #avfc
Interesting to see what the 'anti-McLeish at all costs' brigade think of this. Are they waiting to see which way the club go eventually and then slag the decision? Damned if you do etc.
You can hardly hold McLiesh to account for what Bannan decides to do in his private life, Bannan isn't a child and he's not AM'c child. They'd be mad.
Agreed.
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So far he's guilty of nothing. Please bear that in mind when posting.
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I'm sick of half the team at the moment. Bannan's quite well known as a drinker according to some here, so he needs to sort himself out.
Is it too late to get Mo Salifou back? Put him straight back in the side with Gardner and someone from the under 14's in midfield, lock McLiesh in a cupboard and put Sid in charge. Then we might actually keep the ball a bit and have some kind of a midfield. Can't be any worse than our current midfield.
Heskey can't score and he's obviously not our attacking midfielder, so next up? Try him at right back. Better than Hutton I'll wager.
If true though, I'd drop Bannan for a while. Silly bastard. Most of the team bar 3-4 players really need to pull their fucking fingers out. We'd be in the bottom 3 right now, if not for Gabby and Given.
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I'm sick of half the team at the moment. Bannan's quite well known as a drinker according to some here, so he needs to sort himself out.
When he was on loan at Blackpool, I believe Holloway suspended him for getting drunk whilst out with a foot injury or similar.
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I'm sick of half the team at the moment. Bannan's quite well known as a drinker according to some here, so he needs to sort himself out.
Is it too late to get Mo Salifou back? Put him straight back in the side with Gardner and someone from the under 14's in midfield, lock McLiesh in a cupboard and put Sid in charge. Then we might actually keep the ball a bit and have some kind of a midfield. Can't be any worse than our current midfield.
Heskey can't score and he's obviously not our attacking midfielder, so next up? Try him at right back. Better than Hutton I'll wager.
If true though, I'd drop Bannan for a while. Silly bastard. Most of the team bar 3-4 players really need to pull their fucking fingers out. We'd be in the bottom 3 right now, if not for Gabby and Given.
Gabby and Given, spot on, Given has been a revelation IMO, signing of the summer, not just for Villa, Gabby is good for now but I think he'll get frustrated come Jan if this carries on, IMO if we lose to Sunderland the real pressure starts, we could drop a few places lower and we are looking like most of last season, resumed.
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Exactly the same as I posted on the Merson thread, if either BB or Collins are guilty of drink driving, bang them up for a few years.
A few years!!!
Bit extreme, should anyone be found guilty of anything I'd expect a lengthy ban & fine. Prisons for proper criminals.
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If, and its a big if, If BB is guilty of such a thing I'm sure he'll hold his hands up to it, take his punishment like a man and get on with it.
If true, nobody was hurt, that's important, no excuse but important, and he should be punished as the law requires.
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Christ, some of are out of control.
There is no excuse for drunk driving but its his first offense. Not to mention we don't know the specifics of the incident yet. To the extent of which most of you are calling for him to go to jail.. shit do you want to get relegated. I'm sure the kid will learn his lesson. He's still young and subject to mistakes. Jail isn't for first time non-violent offenders, especially in the case of drunk driving. I expect a hefty fine and a suspension w/o wages. Hopefully, Jenas will be fit soon.
Everyone needs to calm down. Saying you wouldn't care if he went off to jail?! He's the size of an adolescent and a soft spoken young guy who is the proudest player to wear the Villa shirt. I think its irrelevant and radical to connect a persons personal choices to their place of work. Most of you toilet cleaners don't lose your job when you get a drunk driving charge. Regardless, I expect the club to handle this firmly, and for Barry to be genuinely apologetic.
Live and learn Barry, onwards and upwards.
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I've read some sentencing guidelines on t'net tonight. Should he be found guilty, I doubt he'll receive a custodial sentence. If he's done what we're assuming he's done, he's a prat. Amongst a very long list of prats, from an extremely large cross section of society.
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If true, what is happening to our footballers, wasn't it reported on here that Dunne and Collins where seen together in B'ham CC on Sat night drinking and smoking and as if they didn't have a care in the world.
Was this from a 'reliable' source or just another silly rumour?
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Its well known Bannan is a piss head, I hope its not true but I doubt it.
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he's 21 so he should Know better, but you don't know if he was coming back from a club at half 5 (pretty unprofessional even ignoring the drink driving) or went to bed and didn't realise he was still over the limit (a bit more understandable). Anyway IF he was driving he'll get a more severe punishment than the bloke in the street because he's a footballer. Everyone's allowed to be a twat when they're young and a lot of us get away with it, so as long as this isn't the start of long career in the back of police cars i'm not going to tie him to a stake and burn him yet. Hopefully a wake-up call
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Wondered why we hadn't seen any @BBannan25 twitter updates. Whatever happened, he's no doubt regretting it and all part of his growing up and learning experience.
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Whatever happened, he's no doubt regretting it and all part of his growing up and learning experience.
Spot on.
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Considering that on average 3000 people are killed or seriously hurt each year as a result of drink driving, its not something that we can sweep under the carpet if Bannan and Collins are guilty.
Hopefully they are innocent.
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Considering that on average 3000 people are killed or seriously hurt each year as a result of drink driving, its not something that we can sweep under the carpet if Bannan and Collins are guilty.
Hopefully they are innocent.
The james collins in question is shrewsburys player not ours.
Bannan if guilty should learn a harsh lesson from this but i dont think the club have great powers of punishment other than the standard 2 week fine.
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Just hoping and praying that they are innocent of drink driving.
I think my view of this might be a little clouded by personal emotions
My best friends (at school) brother was put in a wheelchair thanks to a drunk driver. He and his family went through a lot of hell due to the selfishness of others.
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Considering that on average 3000 people are killed or seriously hurt each year as a result of drink driving, its not something that we can sweep under the carpet if Bannan and Collins are guilty.
Hopefully they are innocent.
The james collins in question is shrewsburys player not ours.
Bannan if guilty should learn a harsh lesson from this but i dont think the club have great powers of punishment other than the standard 2 week fine.
I thought this James Collins was from the same youth set as Bannan and is out on loan?
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Considering that on average 3000 people are killed or seriously hurt each year as a result of drink driving, its not something that we can sweep under the carpet if Bannan and Collins are guilty.
Hopefully they are innocent.
The james collins in question is shrewsburys player not ours.
Bannan if guilty should learn a harsh lesson from this but i dont think the club have great powers of punishment other than the standard 2 week fine.
I thought this James Collins was from the same youth set as Bannan and is out on loan?
Same player but we sold him to Shrews.
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Good job Joey Barton hadn't done this as there would be a public lynching on here. Yes, he's young in some respects but 21 is no kid. Certainly old enough to know what's what. We're not dealing with a 17 year old here and look what happened to Lee Hughes in a similar incident that went wrong.
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Thier is no excuse for drink driving.
And wether we agree or not, footballers are supposed to be role models for our youth.
If convicted I would like to see him make an on the pitch apology
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No excuse for drink driving but what always puzzles me about footballers getting involved in this sort of nonsense is that its not like they don't have the cash to get a cab is it?
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Exactly the same as I posted on the Merson thread, if either BB or Collins are guilty of drink driving, bang them up for a few years.
A few years!!!
Bit extreme, should anyone be found guilty of anything I'd expect a lengthy ban & fine. Prisons for proper criminals.
So someone who chooses to drink drive, an illegal scenario that can easily cause an accident that kills someone isn't a proper criminal?
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No excuse for drink driving but what always puzzles me about footballers getting involved in this sort of nonsense is that its not like they don't have the cash to get a cab is it?
I havent got much money but when I go out on a Friday or Saturday somewhere or go to a gig and have a few drinks and get pi**ed , I just get myself a hotel ,so no excuse for these people .
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No excuse for drink driving but what always puzzles me about footballers getting involved in this sort of nonsense is that its not like they don't have the cash to get a cab is it?
Most of them could afford a full time chauffeur, so as you say, how the hell can they be so stupid as to not just call a taxi?
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No excuse for drink driving but what always puzzles me about footballers getting involved in this sort of nonsense is that its not like they don't have the cash to get a cab is it?
Most of them could afford a full time chauffeur, so as you say, how the hell can they be so stupid as to not just call a taxi?
arrogance?
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Just hoping and praying that they are innocent of drink driving.
I think my view of this might be a little clouded by personal emotions
My best friends (at school) brother was put in a wheelchair thanks to a drunk driver. He and his family went through a lot of hell due to the selfishness of others.
When I was at school a friend was killed by a drunk driver. Since that day i've despised all drunk drivers.
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Sorry but if they are guilty then I hope they throw the book at him. I also hope Villa apply the strictest punihsment they can.
and here's me thinking our young players had been brought up to not behave like this
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You only need look at the ex plymouth keeper currently in jail. Footballers sometimes seem to think their shit doesn't stink and they're untouchable. Drinking and driving is moronic. You get the sense though, sometimes these young lads with too much cash and a profile, think they can get away with it. Bannan could have killed someone. He could have injured himself, ended his career even. He's a lucky boy. Will he learn? I hope so. He needs to wake up though and start working harder. He's not as good as he thinks he is. Sometimes he gave the impression, when O Neill was here, that he had a divine right to be in the team. I personally don't think he's done nearly enough to be a regular starter just yet. We have to see far more.
Apart from anything else, when we lose a game having playing piss poorly, I don't want to hear about our players having been out on the lash. A couple of drinks if we win is one thing, but given how crap we've been much of this season so far, the bloody lot of them shouldn't touch a drop. Overpaid buggers.
>:(
Sorry, bad mood. Midway through a LOOOONNNNG week at work.
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Bannan has been suspended by the club while an investigation is carried out into the allegations made over the weekend. He will not be available for Sunderland.
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Not good if true and an idiotic thing to do.
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Well this season just gets worse, are we in a position to take the moral high ground?
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Innocent until proven guilty.
No excuse if true and deserves the full force of the law.
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mmmm this is getting worse by the minute..........
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Are we in a position to take the moral high ground?
We're always in a position to take the moral high ground. It's what we do.
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Well this season just gets worse, are we in a position to take the moral high ground?
Us as fans or the club?
If you mean the club of course they are right to do this. I'd be pissed off they didn't.
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Sorry but if they are guilty then I hope they throw the book at him. I also hope Villa apply the strictest punihsment they can.
and here's me thinking our young players had been brought up to not behave like this
I think you find that it is the "Academy" and not the "Monastery" ;)... this is what happens when you pay young chaps £20k per week -
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Deleted his twitter account by the looks of it.
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Is this a new club policy as there's been players charged with driving offences in the past without this kind of sanction?
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Perhaps he was driving beyond the 30mile exclusion zone !
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If true, what is happening to our footballers, wasn't it reported on here that Dunne and Collins where seen together in B'ham CC on Sat night drinking and smoking and as if they didn't have a care in the world.
They dont . They kick a ball around for a few hours and get paid mega mega money .
Even so, after the WBA game nobody can be that thick and that insensitive surely.
If I have a shit day at work then a few beers out is just the tonic
True, but I'm assuming you don't get 30,000 people pay £35 to watch you work every day.
Pertinent quote of the day from Yohan Cabaye "If you meet other players in the street, or even within the club, you wonder if they really are professionals.
"On the pitch they give their all. They're 100 per cent focused on football and getting the result.
"But once the game is over, irrespective of whether they have played well or not, they are all joking and singing."
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In a peverse way the little bit of good which might come out of it is that Ireland might see Bannan pressing the self destruct button and take his own finger off it. Or put another way he will lose the title of squad's biggest dick head.
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Is this a new club policy as there's been players charged with driving offences in the past without this kind of sanction?
I don't remember any of them being charged for such a serious offence as it sounds like Bannan might be. We have had speeders and accidents but I don't remember DUI charges. Or maybe he has been warned by the club in the past for his excesses and this was the accumulation of several incidents within the club. It could also be McCleish bringing in a different policy on behaviour.
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In a peverse way the little bit of good which might come out of it is that Ireland might see Bannan pressing the self destruct button and take his own finger off it. Or put another way he will lose the title of squad's biggest dick head.
He's probably been having lessons off Ireland in how to behave...
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Bannan has been suspended by the club while an investigation is carried out into the allegations made over the weekend. He will not be available for Sunderland.
Any more banana skins we can slip up on.
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Really disappointed with Bannan whatever he was up too, what was doing out all night?
To be a top player like he could be im afraid its something that cant be done at that level.
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Really disappointed with Bannan whatever he was up too, what was doing out all night?
To be a top player like he could be im afraid its something that cant be done at that level.
You've probably heard the rumour that Arsenal want him in Jan.
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What a cock. And a small one at that.
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I think everyone accepts that drink driving is wrong but here are degrees of wrongness. There are a lot of people who have one or two drinks believing they'll be ok but fail a breath test yet other people are ok after the same. We don't know the circumstances of this case and should refrain from being judge, jury and executioner until we do.
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Its well known Bannan is a piss head, I hope its not true but I doubt it.
I've probably misunderstood the intent of your post, on the one hand you're implying something is true, and then you're hoping it's not true. It's interesting how rumours develop.
Out of curiosity, is Paul Merson still a pundit on Soccer Saturday following his recent arrest?
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Looks like we've got another Lee Hendrie??
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Minus the tan
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Minus the tan
and the talent!
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Minus the tan
and the talent!
but potentially the very same self destruct button??
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Somewhere on another thread someone bemoaned the fact we don't have any heroes.
The saddest thing (if we lose a young talent like Bannan) will be the fact that he has not followed the guidance on the club - or the guidance wasn't good enough or delivered in the right way.
Bannan could be a hero - those of us who remember another short arsed Scot - Archie Gemmill - know what an influence he was for club and country. We have only seen a few glimpses of Bannan's potential. On Saturday if his shot in the first half had been a bit lower - it would have set off the crowd and raised the spirits, we might have been able to defend a 2-0 lead with 10 men! (Well you never know). In the second half he won a corner and was the only player to try and raise some enthusiasm from the Holte. BUt it was far too little.
What we need from Bannan is for him to show that he can be a tough little Scot with fire in his belly - not 10 pints of lager.
If McCleish wants to win over the doubters - Bannan is his chance. Put him up against a wall, apply a firm grip to his testicles and spell it out. "you have got the abilty, but you need to put it about a lot more, become an annoying little git who upsets the oppostion and stops them playing, and then play the passes we know you can, and score a few goals"
And if that works try the same with a few more of the prima donnas.
Bannan might be a pisshead who will slowly drop down the leagues and end up at Shrewsbury like his mate - or he could be a hero.
He needs to decide.
Our club's management need to support him to make the right decision.
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You have to think it is correct for the club to suspend him for the Sunderland game as it has been announced, but you do start to wonder that we are floating into the same choppy waters as last season with incidents like this.
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Considering that on average 3000 people are killed or seriously hurt each year as a result of drink driving, its not something that we can sweep under the carpet if Bannan and Collins are guilty.
Hopefully they are innocent.
Just for the record ....
594 people died as a result of drink driving in the uk (1 in 6 of road deaths).
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I never drink and drive personally but wonder if suspending him is a little OTT? That's surely what the criminal justice system's for, and if convicted he'll be rightly banned, fined and incovenienced. If if was the 48hrs before a match, fair enough. I'm sure the nine hours locked up will have given him a jolt and it would be better making him sweat on the training pitch.
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The cynic in me, wonders if Herds red card appeal result had been known, prior to this announcement, of his suspension ????
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The cynic in me, wonders if Herds red card appeal result had been known, prior to this announcement, of his suspension ????
They probably had a good feeling it would get overturned, but there's nothing cynical about it.
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The cynic in me, wonders if Herds red card appeal result had been known, prior to this announcement, of his suspension ????
What difference would it make, they're not on competition for the same place, totally different type of players.
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I think everyone accepts that drink driving is wrong but here are degrees of wrongness. There are a lot of people who have one or two drinks believing they'll be ok but fail a breath test yet other people are ok after the same.
No difference of degree if someone is killed by a driver who has had 2 pints or 8. It's the same end result.
I take your point that some peoples tolerance is different and this can vary the result of a breath test, and perhaps their ability to drive.
Britain has the highest legal limit for the breath test in Europe along with Luxembourg at 0.08%, most countries are between 0.05% and 0.02%, or zero. The simplest way to eliminate inconsistencies regarding tolerance is to have a zero percent alcohol limit. That is what they have in Russia. Iceland, and a number of East European states.
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Are we in a position to take the moral high ground?
We're always in a position to take the moral high ground. It's what we do.
And may we continue to do so in the amoral world of premiership football...
compare it with the approach of a certain London club which may turn out to be more successful but certainly not better than us
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I'm in a position to take the moral high ground when it comes to drink driving, I've never done it, and I'm sure Mr Bannan can afford a taxi to and from wherever a lot easier than I can.
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I'm in a position to take the moral high ground when it comes to drink driving, I've never done it, and I'm sure Mr Bannan can afford a taxi to and from wherever a lot easier than I can.
H e you ever broken a speed limit, gambled on a red light, used s phone whole driving etc.
Drink driving is wrong but so are plenty of things and in this rush to take the moral high ground I think we should take heed of the line about he who us without sin.
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Really disappointed with Bannan whatever he was up too, what was doing out all night?
To be a top player like he could be im afraid its something that cant be done at that level.
What was he doing out all night? Are you for real? He is a young bloke, probably a bit immature and irresponsible, I think they call it being young. Stupid yes, an unfathomable occurrence, no.
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I'm in a position to take the moral high ground when it comes to drink driving, I've never done it, and I'm sure Mr Bannan can afford a taxi to and from wherever a lot easier than I can.
H e you ever broken a speed limit, gambled on a red light, used s phone whole driving etc.
Drink driving is wrong but so are plenty of things and in this rush to take the moral high ground I think we should take heed of the line about he who us without sin.
I sin, but I haven't done anything that has caused an 'issue' like this has for Mr Bannan. There lies the difference. I know where the line is. And drink driving is over the line. As it is for most people.
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Technically any of the driving laws being broken is over the line. They ARE the line. Breaking the speed limit, using your phone and darting as the light turns red could all lead to an accident too. You can't say drink driving crosses the line, but breaking other law's doesn't.
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H e you ever broken a speed limit, gambled on a red light, used s phone whole driving etc.
Drink driving is wrong but so are plenty of things and in this rush to take the moral high ground I think we should take heed of the line about he who us without sin.
Agree with you comments completely. Whilst I have not done the other I have done all of those things you mention and I am almost sure everyone I know family, friends and colleagues have done these things. All these violations can lead to serious accidents. So glass houses.....
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I never drink and drive personally but wonder if suspending him is a little OTT? .
Probably a suspension for breaking a club rule? Being out in the early hours maybe? Bringing the club into disrepute (guilty or innocent)?
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I think everyone accepts that drink driving is wrong but here are degrees of wrongness. There are a lot of people who have one or two drinks believing they'll be ok but fail a breath test yet other people are ok after the same.
No difference of degree if someone is killed by a driver who has had 2 pints or 8. It's the same end result.
I take your point that some peoples tolerance is different and this can vary the result of a breath test, and perhaps their ability to drive.
Britain has the highest legal limit for the breath test in Europe along with Luxembourg at 0.08%, most countries are between 0.05% and 0.02%, or zero. The simplest way to eliminate inconsistencies regarding tolerance is to have a zero percent alcohol limit. That is what they have in Russia. Iceland, and a number of East European states.
Absolutely bang on.
Zero tolerance to consuming alcohol then driving is really the only option.
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I think everyone accepts that drink driving is wrong but here are degrees of wrongness. There are a lot of people who have one or two drinks believing they'll be ok but fail a breath test yet other people are ok after the same.
No difference of degree if someone is killed by a driver who has had 2 pints or 8. It's the same end result.
I take your point that some peoples tolerance is different and this can vary the result of a breath test, and perhaps their ability to drive.
Britain has the highest legal limit for the breath test in Europe along with Luxembourg at 0.08%, most countries are between 0.05% and 0.02%, or zero. The simplest way to eliminate inconsistencies regarding tolerance is to have a zero percent alcohol limit. That is what they have in Russia. Iceland, and a number of East European states.
Absolutely bang on.
Zero tolerance to consuming alcohol then driving is really the only option.
I agree, the current system just dangles enough rope for people to hang themselves with
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As far as I'm concerned there is a big difference between doing 33 in a 30 limitand drinking 8 pints then driving,
I'm not specifically talking about Bannan here, just saying there are different degrees of wrongness even though they can all be ilegal
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You can't say drink driving crosses the line, but breaking other law's doesn't.
Yes you can.
It's a question of degree and one which impicitly we all recognise.
75mph on the motorway we rationalise, although breaking the law, is highly unlikely to have an adverse outcome.
Driving while drunk, whther apprehended or not, does.
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I was coming home the other evening waiting at a red light at a very busy junction and my Member of Parliament went pelting over on red.
The hotel near our east coast home is frequently used by football chairmen and CEOs to interview potential managers. They like it because it is so far off the beaten track and miles too posh for any of the staff to recognize the parties. I, not being at all posh recognize them instantly and realize what they are up to. About two years ago I saw a very well known top flight manager and a then premiership chairman get totally rat arsed then go to the car park and drive away. I was not snooping around, I saw it from the window of our house
Young man out on the pop drives when he should not. It is very wrong and very stupid but there but for the grace of God go a lot of men myself included. I will not be a hypocrite.
Barry Bannan must be feeling very low just now. I truly hope he has learned his lesson and gives up alcohol altogether, he will be a better athlete and quite possibly a better man for it.
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Seem to remember hearing about another Villa player who got done for drink driving a few years ago.
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Young man out on the pop drives when he should not. It is very wrong and very stupid but there but for the grace of God go a lot of men myself included. I will not be a hypocrite.
Barry Bannan must be feeling very low just now. I truly hope he has learned his lesson and gives up alcohol altogether, he will be a better athlete and quite possibly a better man for it.
Agree, Brian. Plus let's not forget women drink and drive too. There's a difference between accepting people break the law and condoning law breaking.
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You can't say drink driving crosses the line, but breaking other law's doesn't.
Yes you can.
It's a question of degree and one which impicitly we all recognise.
75mph on the motorway we rationalise, although breaking the law, is highly unlikely to have an adverse outcome.
Driving while drunk, whther apprehended or not, does.
you're joking aren't you? speeding causes more accidents that being over the limit. thing is drink driving is a pariah while speeding is still socially acceptable to an extent. Same with tiredness but you can't blow positive for having lack of sleep. Personally i know people who i wouldn't get in a car with if they'd had half a shandy because they'd be all over the place but legally safe to drive and yet i'd trust others who'd had 4 or 5 pints and be well over the liimt..The most hilarious rule is the no-hands free mobile phone rule when its not the dialing that causes the accidents, its the actual conversation. Anyone who can drive knows you can do certain multiple actions at the same time automatically like change gear and accelerate while sticking the heating on but if someone asks you a question that you have to think about its using a different part of the brain and your driving goes up the wall. The police know this but if they'd banned mobile phones totally, they'd have to ban people talking in the car and how do you prove that?
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you're joking aren't you? speeding causes more accidents that being over the limit.
Actually, speeding doesn't cause accidents, careless driving causes accidents. Doing 110mph on a empty motorway at 2am - doing 35mph passing a primary school, when all the pupils are out.
One will lose you your license, one will not - the one that loses you your license is the safer of the two.
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As far as I'm concerned there is a big difference between doing 33 in a 30 limitand drinking 8 pints then driving,
I'm not specifically talking about Bannan here, just saying there are different degrees of wrongness even though they can all be ilegal
Doing 33mph in a 30 area is like drinking 2 pints of weak ale (isn't the general rule of thumb 1.5 pints?)
Whereas drinking 8 pints is like doing 100 in a 30 area.
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Above all the moral high ground stuff (and i lost a good friend to some twat who was selfish enough to drink and drive) I think Bannan is a selfish little git who has let himself, the team and the manager down at a time where unity and togetherness is needed both on and off the pitch
Quite often by luck rather than design team formations are thrown together due to injury and such like. Bannan has been part of our midfield since the season started and it has not gelled as we all hoped. Maybe just maybe by taking one of the constants out and putting together maybe a Herd / Ireland combination it might just click.
If that is the case then Bannan only has himelf to blame - and i for one will not be sorry
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Seem to remember hearing about another Villa player who got done for drink driving a few years ago.
and if Barry gives us 10 years of quality like Gareth I will be happy.
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Really disappointed with Bannan whatever he was up too, what was doing out all night?
To be a top player like he could be im afraid its something that cant be done at that level.
What was he doing out all night? Are you for real? He is a young bloke, probably a bit immature and irresponsible, I think they call it being young. Stupid yes, an unfathomable occurrence, no.
Erh yes course im for real hes a highly paid professional athlete and while i could excuse players having a good time occasionally, staying out all night is asking for trouble which he got,and hes bloody lucky no one else was caught up in it.
Sorry for thinking premier football was a serious business and asking too much of a standard from our players.
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I know i am in the minority but i dont get the hype about Bannan
all i see is a tidy player that tries the odd hollywood pass of which i cant remember any coming off
i dont see him becoming a regular playmaker for a mid table premier team which is what we are aiming to be
hope to be proved wrong
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I know i am in the minority but i dont get the hype about Bannan
all i see is a tidy player that tries the odd hollywood pass of which i cant remember any coming off
i dont see him becoming a regular playmaker for a mid table premier team which is what we are aiming to be
hope to be proved wrong
Pass to Albrighton's goal away at Fulham last season, stunning.
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Well as wrong as it is, why is his employer suspending him? It's a private matter isn't it?
Let's hope this doesn't add to the attraction of moving clubs.
There's no doubt Bannan is a class player and will be a top top player soon enough.
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I know i am in the minority but i dont get the hype about Bannan
all i see is a tidy player that tries the odd hollywood pass of which i cant remember any coming off
i dont see him becoming a regular playmaker for a mid table premier team which is what we are aiming to be
hope to be proved wrong
I think you are spot on
Pass to Albrighton's goal away at Fulham last season, stunning.
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I know i am in the minority but i dont get the hype about Bannan
all i see is a tidy player that tries the odd hollywood pass of which i cant remember any coming off
i dont see him becoming a regular playmaker for a mid table premier team which is what we are aiming to be
hope to be proved wrong
These are my views on Bannan as well. We've got a bad habit of over hyping our young players.
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I know i am in the minority but i dont get the hype about Bannan
all i see is a tidy player that tries the odd hollywood pass of which i cant remember any coming off
i dont see him becoming a regular playmaker for a mid table premier team which is what we are aiming to be
hope to be proved wrong
Pass to Albrighton's goal away at Fulham last season, stunning.
Beat me to it, it was superb. I think he's laid on a couple of goals this season as well, Gabby's against Wigan being one of them.
Not all of his passes come off and he does need to keep it simple now and again but he's got the ability to be very very good.
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At least he tries to create things.
That's saying something in a side as uncreative and dour as us.
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At least he tries to create things.
That's saying something in a side as uncreative and dour as us.
is there any proof that we create less chances than other teams? I read today that once again we're the top team for losing points from winning positions, we topped the league in those stakes last season too!
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At least he tries to create things.
That's saying something in a side as uncreative and dour as us.
is there any proof that we create less chances than other teams? I read today that once again we're the top team for losing points from winning positions, we topped the league in those stakes last season too!
We are the third lowest for passes completed and have created the fewest shots on target in the whole league. That doesn't say much for us, it really doesn't.
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At least he tries to create things.
That's saying something in a side as uncreative and dour as us.
is there any proof that we create less chances than other teams? I read today that once again we're the top team for losing points from winning positions, we topped the league in those stakes last season too!
We are the third lowest for passes completed and have created the fewest shots on target in the whole league. That doesn't say much for us, it really doesn't.
That last bit is the concern - with Bent reliant on good service, how long will he accept the situation... I don't think we'll want out by January, but summer? Probably.
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I know i am in the minority but i dont get the hype about Bannan
all i see is a tidy player that tries the odd hollywood pass of which i cant remember any coming off
i dont see him becoming a regular playmaker for a mid table premier team which is what we are aiming to be
hope to be proved wrong
These are my views on Bannan as well. We've got a bad habit of over hyping our young players.
Seconded
Look at who Southampton have brought through:
Walcott
bale
Oxlade chamberlain
We create good kids but we seem to be the only one's getting all excited by them.
Bannan wasn't making the starting 11 at leeds most of the time last season and the fonz couldn't csore at burnley
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At least there is no overreaction to Herd having a couple of good games.
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At least there is no overreaction to Herd having a couple of good games.
Good point. Chris Herd: this autumn's Marc Albrighton?
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This business about passes completed. Does somebody actually sit through games counting them? They must go into a frenzy when teams do the Brazil bit.
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Bannan has now returned to training and is back in the squad according to the mirror.
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Bannan has now returned to training and is back in the squad according to the mirror.
Mine only ever tells me that i'm the fairest of them all.
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Bannan has now returned to training and is back in the squad according to the mirror.
But left out of the Scotland squad just announced by Craig Levein.
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If Bannan is back in training and available for selection what was the point in suspending him for one game?
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If Bannan is back in training and available for selection what was the point in suspending him for one game?
To get his head right after he'd been arrested perhaps?
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If Bannan is back in training and available for selection what was the point in suspending him for one game?
To get his head right after he'd been arrested perhaps?
To investigate the facts I'd say. Perhaps he hadn't been drink driving after all, or maybe the club are waiting for official charges to come through. Who knows?
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This business about passes completed. Does somebody actually sit through games counting them? They must go into a frenzy when teams do the Brazil bit.
In my job, I have to work with a lot of data on sporting events, including football matches, and you would not believe the range of statistics that are available.
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If Bannan is back in training and available for selection what was the point in suspending him for one game?
To get his head right after he'd been arrested perhaps?
To investigate the facts I'd say. Perhaps he hadn't been drink driving after all, or maybe the club are waiting for official charges to come through. Who knows?
Not unusual to suspend somebody as a precautionary measure in such circumstances.
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He was suspended "pending a club investigation" according to the statement.
If the club found that he was guilty would they be as quick to end the suspension?
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Alex McLeish said: "Barry Bannan returned to training today.
“The club has suspended internal enquiries into the allegations pending the outcome of police enquiries."
Although Bannan has returned to the fold at club level it is unlikely that he will be selected for Scotland until the police investigation is concluded.
Scotland manager, Craig Levein, will omit Barry Bannan from his squad for the friendly in Cyprus.
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hmmm to play Bannan or not this weekend?
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hmmm to play Bannan or not this weekend?
Yes please.
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hmmm to play Bannan or not this weekend?
Yes please.
Id much prefer to see jenas get the nod on saturday , herd and petrov both deserve to hold onto their places although i wouldnt be surprised to see bannan and jenas in place of heskey and nzogbia.
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Can't see N'Zogbia being dropped after what was probably his best game so far for the club.
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Can't see N'Zogbia being dropped after what was probably his best game so far for the club.
Didnt travel to sunderland but he was being heavily criticized by the radio wm commentators who reckoned he was well off his game and lazily not tracking back, they had him as the worst player on the pitch .
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Can't see N'Zogbia being dropped after what was probably his best game so far for the club.
Didnt travel to sunderland but he was being heavily criticized by the radio wm commentators who reckoned he was well off his game and lazily not tracking back, they had him as the worst player on the pitch .
I didn't go either, but from what I saw on TV and have read on here, which dependent on the contributor I trust more than the media, he played quite well.
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Can't see N'Zogbia being dropped after what was probably his best game so far for the club.
Didnt travel to sunderland but he was being heavily criticized by the radio wm commentators who reckoned he was well off his game and lazily not tracking back, they had him as the worst player on the pitch .
I didn't go either, but from what I saw on TV and have read on here, which dependent on the contributor I trust more than the media, he played quite well.
I hope you are correct as an on form nzogbia would be a very big asset to our team right now , he has started slowly but lets hope he rediscovers his best form soon as we are lacking in creativity-i look forward to seeing what jenas adds to our midfield.
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Can't see N'Zogbia being dropped after what was probably his best game so far for the club.
Didnt travel to sunderland but he was being heavily criticized by the radio wm commentators who reckoned he was well off his game and lazily not tracking back, they had him as the worst player on the pitch .
WM commentators always have to find something to moan about.
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WM have an anti Villa agenda. Probably got to do with all the Noses they employ in the sports dept. They're constantly negative about Villa but look at everything at the Sty with rose tinted spectacles.
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WM have an anti Villa agenda. Probably got to do with all the Noses they employ in the sports dept. They're constantly negative about Villa but look at everything at the Sty with rose tinted spectacles.
It's nothing to do with the Small Heath they employ - most of them were there back in the days when WM was good, and they've got as many Villa supporters. They just seem over the past few years to put a negative slant on everything we do.
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What I don't get is N'Zogbia has been lazy and has done nothing bar a few little tricks, at least with Albrighton who could not do any less if he tried, would still garentee at least 3 or 4 decent crosses a game.
I'd replace Heskey with Bannan and N'Zogbia with Marc.
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WM have an anti Villa agenda. Probably got to do with all the Noses they employ in the sports dept. They're constantly negative about Villa but look at everything at the Sty with rose tinted spectacles.
It's nothing to do with the Small Heath they employ - most of them were there back in the days when WM was good, and they've got as many Villa supporters. They just seem over the past few years to put a negative slant on everything we do.
Employing too many Villa supporters then.
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WM have an anti Villa agenda. Probably got to do with all the Noses they employ in the sports dept. They're constantly negative about Villa but look at everything at the Sty with rose tinted spectacles.
It's nothing to do with the Small Heath they employ - most of them were there back in the days when WM was good, and they've got as many Villa supporters. They just seem over the past few years to put a negative slant on everything we do.
I 've always thought the negative attitude to Villa on WM was two-fold.
Firstly to generate cheap programming via phone-in shows - much like TalkSport.
Secondly, and probably more pertinently, Pat Murphy Syndrome. They were used to having an accessible, media-friendly chairman but over the past five years have been faced with the exact opposite and suddenly they have to work a bit harder.
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I've mentioned WM before I can't stand that Paul Franks get's on my fucking goat
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I've mentioned WM before I can't stand that Paul Franks get's on my fucking goat
Correct. When they have those phone ins after a match, the callers can't get a word in. Thinks it's him anyway. There's two of the twats on there.
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Can't see N'Zogbia being dropped after what was probably his best game so far for the club.
Didnt travel to sunderland but he was being heavily criticized by the radio wm commentators who reckoned he was well off his game and lazily not tracking back, they had him as the worst player on the pitch .
WM commentators always have to find something to moan about.
I have always found WM fairly on the ball, dishing out praise/critisism as appropriate
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WM are rubbish, they lack even a basic understanding of the game. They're presenters asked to do football rather than the other way round.
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Footballs asked to be presenters? Doubt they'll say much.
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Footballs asked to be presenters? Doubt they'll say much.
It would still be better than Daz Hale.
You know what I mean, radio presenters instead of football people doing the talking.
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Paul Franks gets on my nerves these days. I used to think he was half decent. But everything we do is apocalyptic. Last season he was saying along with Gurner and the others that we had gone backwards under Houllier and needed to get rid at the same time as lauding the job that McLeish was doing at Blues (round about this time of the season). Now McLeish is at Villa, he is crap, football is crap, everything he does, we do is crap, Bent wants out, whereas Blues are winning the Champions League with a manager who plays football. The phone in the other night where Mark whatever his face is who is a Villa fan started stirring it about Bent leaving was ridiculous.
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WM is fucking rubbish.
I don't know why anyone listens to it.
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WM just over hype everything. Good or bad. They just go to extreames.
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I haven't listed to Wolves Media since they went on their massive Anti-Petrov trip a few years ago. They were slagging him off every week even though he was probably our best player at the time.
Stick to what you do best, talking about Wolves In The Fifties, you shower of pricks.
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I haven't listed to Wolves Media since they went on their massive Anti-Petrov trip a few years ago. They were slagging him off every week even though he was probably our best player at the time.
Stick to what you do best, talking about Wolves In The Fifties, you shower of pricks.
Well said. But a few of our own fans don't help, there is a chap who rings every home match who moans like mad, win, lose or draw,he must pre book the call or something. I usually get just about out of the B6 post code area when I switch off.
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I haven't listed to Wolves Media since they went on their massive Anti-Petrov trip a few years ago. They were slagging him off every week even though he was probably our best player at the time.
Stick to what you do best, talking about Wolves In The Fifties, you shower of pricks.
Well said. But a few of our own fans don't help, there is a chap who rings every home match who moans like mad, win, lose or draw,he must pre book the call or something. I usually get just about out of the B6 post code area when I switch off.
We know that Greg's always at home on match days - no doubt waiting for the final whistle with his finger poised over the speed dial button.
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BCV ?
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I still like the way WM announce a goal though, if they still do it.
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Its now been confirmed Bannan has been charged with drink driving
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FFS. He's a pratt.
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Its now been confirmed Bannan has been charged with drink diving
It looked like a foul to me from the replays.
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Idiot (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-15754605)
Premier League footballer Barry Bannan has been charged with four motoring offences following a crash on the M1 in Nottinghamshire last month.
The Aston Villa and Scotland midfielder was charged with drinking and driving and failing to stop after an accident.
Mr Bannan, 21, is also accused of driving a motor vehicle otherwise than in accordance with a licence and driving without due care and attention.
He was bailed to appear at Nottingham Magistrates' Court on 25 November.
Mr Bannan, of Sutton Coldfield, West Midlands, was involved in a single vehicle crash that happened on the southbound carriageway near Watnall on 23 October.
Shrewsbury Town striker James Collins, 20, who was arrested and bailed in connection with the same incident, will not face charges.
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Stupid,stupid boy.
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Any ideas on a likely sentence?
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He's guilty of nothing yet. Please remember that.
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True Dave, but he'll need Johnnie Cochran's Chewbacca defense to get him out of this one.
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Aye, I'm no Colombo but I can see how this one ends up.
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if guilty would it be a custodial sentence or a fine
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If he's found guilty of all four charges, I'd say he'd almost certainly end up in prison.
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If he's found guilty of all four charges, I'd say he'd almost certainly end up in prison.
He'll be able to use the 'i'm a premiership footballer who is above the law' defence though surely?
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I doubt he will end up inside. Probably get a fine and ban from driving.
Look, what he did was very very stupid and wrong but luckily, no one else was involved or hurt. I believe in 2nd chances and this could be the wake up call to him to buck up his idea's and not do anything stupid like this again. Yes he should be punished if found guilty but I feel Villa should get behind him and give him some support. A lot of you will disagree with what I'm saying but this is just my opinion.
If the likes of Marlon King and Lee Hughes are given 2nd chances then why not Bannan? He is still young and we all know youngsters are make stupid mistakes but hopefully he has learnt from this experience and will hopefully make him into a man!
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For the second time - he's not been convicted yet so don't write anything that may prejudice a trial or cause us problems.
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Three of them I can understand, but the one stating:-
also accused of driving a motor vehicle otherwise than in accordance with a licence
Does this mean he is accused of driving without the correct license/he only had a provisional one? Or is there licenses that only allow you to drive certain types of Car sizes similar to Motorcycle ones?
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For the second time - he's not been convicted yet so don't write anything that may prejudice a trial or cause us problems.
Does this mean the Holte can't sing "On the Piss Ban-nan, On the Piss"?
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Silly boy, let's just hope it teaches him a lesson. He's not the first young man to make a mistake like this and he won't be the last. Take the medicine and move on. Fortunately the only harm done is to his car, the bridge and his dignity.
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Three of them I can understand, but the one stating:-
also accused of driving a motor vehicle otherwise than in accordance with a licence
Does this mean he is accused of driving without the correct license/he only had a provisional one? Or is there licenses that only allow you to drive certain types of Car sizes similar to Motorcycle ones?
He could have passed with an Automatic and was driving a manual car?
Would make sense as its a long way down to the clutch for his legs!
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I think this could effect more than just his driving career - with jenas looking good for his cameo and getting fitter all the time i think Bananaman might struggle to get back in the first team frame
stupid stupid boy
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Three of them I can understand, but the one stating:-
also accused of driving a motor vehicle otherwise than in accordance with a licence
Does this mean he is accused of driving without the correct license/he only had a provisional one? Or is there licenses that only allow you to drive certain types of Car sizes similar to Motorcycle ones?
He could have passed with an Automatic and was driving a manual car?
Would make sense as its a long way down to the clutch for his legs!
I doubt he would have bought a manual range rover! rare as rocking horse shit.
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However please remember he is still a 20 year old kid.
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Silly boy, let's just hope it teaches him a lesson. He's not the first young man to make a mistake like this and he won't be the last. Take the medicine and move on. Fortunately the only harm done is to his car, the bridge and his dignity.
He's not your regular young man though, is he? He can't say he took the chance because money was tight and he couldn't afford the taxi. He's paid a fortune compared to most and had no need to drive anywhere when he'd been drinking. What's he on? £30k a week at a conservative guess? He could have paid someone to drive him around all the boozers in the midlands if necessary. He's a very silly boy.
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I bet he isn't on half of 30k a week yet.
Let's remember this lad is quality, there are already rumours of clubs like Liverpool being interested.
Let's not bite our nose to spite our faces, he has made a mistake and has hopefully learned a big lesson.
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Even if he's "only" on 5K a week, i'm pretty sure a taxi fare wouldn't bankrupt him. If, and I do say if, he is guilty, I hope the law hits him as hard as they can.
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I bet he isn't on half of 30k a week yet.
If he's only on a meagre £10k a week, my point is equally valid.
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I doubt he would have bought a manual range rover! rare as rocking horse shit.
Correct. Manual Range Rover are about but it will have to be a sub 2002 model. Range Rover Sports are available in manual shift but again it will have to be a 2009 reg or prior.
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He's the Mr December inset in the calendar. How do I explain that to the kids?
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He's the Mr December inset in the calendar. How do I explain that to the kids?
'Don't drink and drive, especially at Christmas time'?
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Is he still suspended?
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Is he still suspended?
No, he played for the reserves last night and scored a belter apparantley.
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Is he still suspended?
No, he played for the reserves last night and scored a belter apparantley.
He did indeed, and I was hoping he would be in contention for the spuds games after his performance.
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I don't know why he can't play if he's in the right frame of mind. Innocent until proven guilty and all that.
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I don't know why he can't play if he's in the right frame of mind. Innocent until proven guilty and all that.
I hope he does play. We need him. I hope his state of mind is not going to be a potential problem.
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Bannan has been charged with driving offences. Bailed to appear at Nottingham magistrates on 25th November.
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I'm not sure he even passed his test.
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Does anybody know exactly how over the limit he was?? Everyone is jumping to conclusions that he was pissed as a fart but the fact could be that he might have been 1 or 2 units over the limit, we just dont know. He is innocent until proven guilty. How many of you on here have had a drink and got behind the wheel?
He is still young and yes prob on alot of money. the main thing is that he didn't hurt anyone else. This experience will prove to be an eye opener to him and he will have definitely learnt his lesson whether he is guilty or not.
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Does anybody know exactly how over the limit he was?? Everyone is jumping to conclusions that he was pissed as a fart but the fact could be that he might have been 1 or 2 units over the limit, we just dont know. He is innocent until proven guilty. How many of you on here have had a drink and got behind the wheel?
He is still young and yes prob on alot of money. the main thing is that he didn't hurt anyone else. This experience will prove to be an eye opener to him and he will have definitely learnt his lesson whether he is guilty or not.
Innocent until proven guilty is obviously a given.
However, my viewpoint is strong on this. If you have had ANY alcohol, then you should not be getting behind the wheel of a car. That in my opinion (for what its worth) should become the law.
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Does anybody know exactly how over the limit he was?? Everyone is jumping to conclusions that he was pissed as a fart but the fact could be that he might have been 1 or 2 units over the limit, we just dont know. He is innocent until proven guilty. How many of you on here have had a drink and got behind the wheel?
He is still young and yes prob on alot of money. the main thing is that he didn't hurt anyone else. This experience will prove to be an eye opener to him and he will have definitely learnt his lesson whether he is guilty or not.
Innocent until proven guilty is obviously a given.
However, my viewpoint is strong on this. If you have had ANY alcohol, then you should not be getting behind the wheel of a car. That in my opinion (for what its worth) should become the law.
I agree, they should change the law full stop as its confusing enough.
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A zero limit is unworkable. It can take up to 3 days for alcohol to leave your system completely. Even with the law as it is now you're not safe to drive until the following evening if you drink 8 pints the night before.
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That's why they should force all football players to drink Ansell's Mild. I reckon I could've drunk 15 pints of that in my prime and still carried out open heart surgery.
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According to Express and star he was charged on monday with drink driving leaving the scene of accident, driving without due care and attention and is appear at Nottingham Mags court. Silly silly man so much money so little sense.
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A zero limit is unworkable. It can take up to 3 days for alcohol to leave your system completely. Even with the law as it is now you're not safe to drive until the following evening if you drink 8 pints the night before.
A zero limit is unworkable. It can take up to 3 days for alcohol to leave your system completely. Even with the law as it is now you're not safe to drive until the following evening if you drink 8 pints the night before.
good point, you wouldnt be able to have a glass or two of wine with your evening meal and drive to work the next morning if it were a zero level
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Looking at the size of the lad I reckon half a shandy would put him over the limit.
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A zero limit is unworkable. It can take up to 3 days for alcohol to leave your system completely. Even with the law as it is now you're not safe to drive until the following evening if you drink 8 pints the night before.
A zero limit is unworkable. It can take up to 3 days for alcohol to leave your system completely. Even with the law as it is now you're not safe to drive until the following evening if you drink 8 pints the night before.
good point, you wouldnt be able to have a glass or two of wine with your evening meal and drive to work the next morning if it were a zero level
I thought it took roughly an hour for your body to get rid of one unit of alcohol?
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The pub industry is already reeling from the smoking ban, a zero limit would kill off at least rural pubs and put thousands on the dole.
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Every now and then the cry goes up for a zero limit, but there is the obvious problem of enforcing such a law. What for instance, if you'd just swilled some mouthwash around your mouth - some are quite high in alcohol. (Sometimes it's absolutely necessary)
I do remember looking into this a few years ago and the research revealed that the vast majority of accidents that are drink related happen to total numbskulls who are way over the limit. The conclusion was that lowering the limit to zero would have little or no impact on road traffic accident statistics, but would criminalise otherwise responsible drivers unnecessarily.
Mind you, from personal experience I can vouch that three halves of Carling Black Gnats Piss doesn't even register on a breathaliser.
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Bailed to appear at Nottingham magistrates on 25th November.
Perfect timing: just at the time of year when local magistrates and Chief Constables like to have a high profile conviction prior to the Christmas Party season. If found guilty, I'd expect on the basis of "let's take this opportunity to send out a warning", he'll have the book thrown at him.
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Risso, that's how long it takes a healthy liver to process it. So 8 pints of strong beer = 24 hours.
However, that doesn't clear it out completely and it can show up as small amounts in blood tests for up to 3 days.
A doctor who performs autopsies told me this.
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Banned for 18 months.Got off very lightly imo considering he can't drive
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Bannan banned from driving for 18 months. If that's the sum total of his punishment, he can consider himself an extremely lucky boy.
Now he needs to grow up and learn from it.
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Got away very, very lightly (although I do not believe we are in full possension of the facts)
Message to Barry - consider yourself lucky, learn from it, put it behind you and get with doing what you are good at.
UTV
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I think he can consider himself quite lucky. Mind you, he can probably afford that Mr Loophole lawyer!
I remember queuing up for some League Cup 1994 tickets and seeing Ray Houghton pull up in a taxi for much the same reason.
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2066109/Barry-Bannan-gets-18-month-ban-drink-driving.html
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He is a lucky boy. This is a wake up call for him to get his head down, work hard and learn from his mistake. As someone mentioned just above, we do not have full facts so so cant really comment on the length of his ban or fine.
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Not particularly lucky, he was never getting anything other than a disqualification and fine, just a question of how long / much. Page 124:
http://sentencingcouncil.judiciary.gov.uk/docs/Magistrates_Guidelines_including_update_1__2__3_4_web.pdf
Bear in mind the Guidelines assume conviction after trial, so he'd be entitled to credit for his guilty plea.
The wee rascal.
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it says on the bham mail website that he was almost twice the legal limit. Anybody know what the legal limit is? 1 bottle of 5% beer? or 1 pint?
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Shame our laws are so soft. The twat deserved a harsher punishment than that.
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From Auntie:
Aston Villa footballer Barry Bannan has been given an 18-month driving ban after admitting drinking and driving and other offences following a crash.
The midfielder crashed near Watnall, Nottinghamshire, on the southbound carriageway of the M1 on 23 October.
Bannan, 21, of Sutton Coldfield, West Midlands, was fined £4,500.
He was also charged with failing to stop after an accident, driving without due care and attention and driving on a provisional licence.
Nottingham Magistrates' Court heard the Scotland midfielder crashed his Range Rover Sport at about 05:30 BST.
He was found to have almost twice the legal limit of alcohol in his system.
Bannan had been on a night out with friends in Leeds following Villa's 2-1 home defeat against local rivals West Bromwich Albion.
A friend collected Bannan and they left for Leeds at 18:30 BST.
Bannan drank two cans of beer on the journey then drank more at a nightclub that night, magistrates heard.
The midfielder, who has been capped nine times by Scotland, got a taxi to his hotel at 03:00 BST and waited for his friends to return.
When they failed to return, Bannan decided to get changed and drive back to Birmingham as he feared he would miss a meeting with a youth football team coach he had known for 11 years.
Bannan said he took the decision to drive as he felt "alert, in control and clear headed", the court heard.
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Stupid boy. He needs to learn from this and get himself straight. He needs to think himself lucky that he did not kill himself or someone else.
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So he originally got a taxi back to the hotel and then decided to drive back to Brum as he didn't want to miss an appointment he had (presumably the next morning). It was a foolish thing to do but not as brainless as most of us would have thought (without the full facts of the case obviously).
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Stupid boy. He needs to learn from this and get himself straight. He needs to think himself lucky that he did not kill himself or someone else.
Personally I think he has learnt his lesson and you're right, he is lucky he did not kill himself or anyone else. I'm still trying to work out what the legal limit is as it says he was ALMOST twice over the limit.
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So he originally got a taxi back to the hotel and then decided to drive back to Brum as he didn't want to miss an appointment he had (presumably the next morning). It was a foolish thing to do but not as brainless as most of us would have thought (without the full facts of the case obviously).
Anyone who drinks and drives is brainless..............
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If that report is true, there were so many thing wrong in that for a professional footballer at the club I support.
3 hours after a loss he is already on his way to Leeds to party.
He knows he has a meeting the next morning that he really wants to make but still goes to Leeds to party
I can't say I'm privy to the normal match day experience but the I know the players used to stop overnight at the Marriot before a home match. I'm guessing they get up at 9am at the latest, that means he was awake for almost 20 hours after playing almost 80 mins of a tough match and then drinking several pints. Then deciding to drive
He decided to drive even though he hasn't passed his test. Let alone being over the limits.
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So he originally got a taxi back to the hotel and then decided to drive back to Brum as he didn't want to miss an appointment he had (presumably the next morning). It was a foolish thing to do but not as brainless as most of us would have thought (without the full facts of the case obviously).
Anyone who drinks and drives is brainless..............
I got a phone call once at four in the morning from A & E informing me of a family member in intensive care. I was half way to the hospital before the three glasses of wine I'd had earlier that evening even occurred to me. Not the same situation at all but I wasn't brainless just not thinking straight because of more pressing concerns.
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So he originally got a taxi back to the hotel and then decided to drive back to Brum as he didn't want to miss an appointment he had (presumably the next morning). It was a foolish thing to do but not as brainless as most of us would have thought (without the full facts of the case obviously).
Anyone who drinks and drives is brainless..............
I got a phone call once at four in the morning from A & E informing me of a family member in intensive care. I was half way to the hospital before the three glasses of wine I'd had earlier that evening even occurred to me. Not the same situation at all but I wasn't brainless just not thinking straight because of more pressing concerns.
You can come up with mitigating factors for most things Chris. In your example, I would say you were still foolish, but perhaps understandably so. I don't know the facts of the case, but my gut instinct is that a young footballer crashing his car at 5.50am on a motorway while drunk probably doesn't have quite such a watertight excuse.
But in any case, he's committed a crime and been punished accordingly, so as long as he sees it as a lesson learnt, I think we should move on.
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So he originally got a taxi back to the hotel and then decided to drive back to Brum as he didn't want to miss an appointment he had (presumably the next morning). It was a foolish thing to do but not as brainless as most of us would have thought (without the full facts of the case obviously).
Anyone who drinks and drives is brainless..............
I think you need to rephrase the anyone who drinks and drives is brainless to anyone who drinks excessively and drives is braininless. At the end of the day there is a limit you can have before getting behind the wheel. I admit that I have had a drink and have driven but I limit myself to either 1 pint or 1 bottle of beer.
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So he originally got a taxi back to the hotel and then decided to drive back to Brum as he didn't want to miss an appointment he had (presumably the next morning). It was a foolish thing to do but not as brainless as most of us would have thought (without the full facts of the case obviously).
Anyone who drinks and drives is brainless..............
I got a phone call once at four in the morning from A & E informing me of a family member in intensive care. I was half way to the hospital before the three glasses of wine I'd had earlier that evening even occurred to me. Not the same situation at all but I wasn't brainless just not thinking straight because of more pressing concerns.
Similar has also occurred to me. Only half-way through the journey did I realise fully what I was doing.
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...... I'm still trying to work out what the legal limit is as it says he was ALMOST twice over the limit.
I always thought it was 1 pint but according to this site (http://www.80mg.org.uk/ddlaw.html) it's equivalent to roughly 2 pints. That will obviously vary from person to person and involve other factors such as over what period of time you drank those 2 pints and other issues linked to from that web page. The fact that he was still twice over the limit several hours after his last drink suggests he'd had a fair few. I always play safe and if I'm driving I just don't drink.
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Club statement (http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10265~2528016,00.html)
Barry Bannan said: "I am very conscious of the fact that I have let down a lot of people by my actions, which I deeply regret.
"I have let down my family, my club, the supporters of Aston Villa, all of the people who have helped me to get to this stage in my football career and I have let down myself. I'm really sorry.
"Obviously, I have to try to make up for a terrible error of judgement and I intend to do so, first by accepting the fine and punishment handed down by the court and subsequently by my actions.
"Drink driving is a very serious offence and there is no excuse for what I have done.
"The club has been very supportive throughout this process and I want to concentrate now on my responsibilities to Villa and work hard to get back in the team."
Villa manager Alex McLeish said: "As a club and as the manager of the club, we take a very dim view of the incident in which Barry was involved.
"He has been deservedly punished and we have also taken action internally, at the time of the incident when he was suspended and he will now be disciplined in line with the club's own disciplinary procedure, which will remain internal.
"Barry has shown contrition, he's very ashamed of what's happened and his attitude is very much to get on now with his life and his career as a footballer."
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well said and handled by the player and the club. Proof will come by his future actions, but one would hope that he is taken aside by someone senior and mentored through this. We've had too much of this sort of bollocks in the past 12 months. Let's hope this incident is resigned to history along with the events of the hotel disaster last year.
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FAO Rick...
drink drive info (http://www.drinkaware.co.uk/facts/drink-driving)
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So he originally got a taxi back to the hotel and then decided to drive back to Brum as he didn't want to miss an appointment he had (presumably the next morning). It was a foolish thing to do but not as brainless as most of us would have thought (without the full facts of the case obviously).
Anyone who drinks and drives is brainless..............
I suppose what I'm getting at is that I had presumed Bannan had driven straight after leaving whatever watering hole he had been in. The fact that he had got a taxi to his hotel and then decided to drive after he realised he had to be somewhere else in the morning paints him in a slightly less harsher light. Still a stupid and wrong thing to do but not as wreckless as I had thought.
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So he originally got a taxi back to the hotel and then decided to drive back to Brum as he didn't want to miss an appointment he had (presumably the next morning). It was a foolish thing to do but not as brainless as most of us would have thought (without the full facts of the case obviously).
Anyone who drinks and drives is brainless..............
I suppose what I'm getting at is that I had presumed Bannan had driven straight after leaving whatever watering hole he had been in. The fact that he had got a taxi to his hotel and then decided to drive after he realised he had to be somewhere else in the morning paints him in a slightly less harsher light. Still a stupid and wrong thing to do but not as wreckless as I had thought.
The 'fact' that he SAYS he got a taxi to his hotel and he SAYS he only decided to drive after he realised he had to be somewhere else in the morning...
A lot of his story makes no sense.
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I got a phone call once at four in the morning from A & E informing me of a family member in intensive care. I was half way to the hospital before the three glasses of wine I'd had earlier that evening even occurred to me. Not the same situation at all but I wasn't brainless just not thinking straight because of more pressing concerns.
You can come up with mitigating factors for most things Chris. In your example, I would say you were still foolish, but perhaps understandably so. I don't know the facts of the case, but my gut instinct is that a young footballer crashing his car at 5.50am on a motorway while drunk probably doesn't have quite such a watertight excuse.
But in any case, he's committed a crime and been punished accordingly, so as long as he sees it as a lesson learnt, I think we should move on.
This is not an uncommon event and I bet majority of adults in the Country have done this.
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From Auntie:
Aston Villa footballer Barry Bannan has been given an 18-month driving ban after admitting drinking and driving and other offences following a crash.
The midfielder crashed near Watnall, Nottinghamshire, on the southbound carriageway of the M1 on 23 October.
Bannan, 21, of Sutton Coldfield, West Midlands, was fined £4,500.
He was also charged with failing to stop after an accident, driving without due care and attention and driving on a provisional licence.
Nottingham Magistrates' Court heard the Scotland midfielder crashed his Range Rover Sport at about 05:30 BST.
He was found to have almost twice the legal limit of alcohol in his system.
Bannan had been on a night out with friends in Leeds following Villa's 2-1 home defeat against local rivals West Bromwich Albion.
A friend collected Bannan and they left for Leeds at 18:30 BST.
Bannan drank two cans of beer on the journey then drank more at a nightclub that night, magistrates heard.
The midfielder, who has been capped nine times by Scotland, got a taxi to his hotel at 03:00 BST and waited for his friends to return.
When they failed to return, Bannan decided to get changed and drive back to Birmingham as he feared he would miss a meeting with a youth football team coach he had known for 11 years.
Bannan said he took the decision to drive as he felt "alert, in control and clear headed", the court heard.
IF that story is true then it certainly has a few discrepancies!
He gets a lift to Leeds, gets a taxi to his hotel and then when his friends fail to turn up decides to drive back to Brum. Correct me if I am wrong but the story makes no mention of him having taken his car to Leeds in the first place! Still I suppose it doesn't really matter now!
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From Auntie:
Aston Villa footballer Barry Bannan has been given an 18-month driving ban after admitting drinking and driving and other offences following a crash.
The midfielder crashed near Watnall, Nottinghamshire, on the southbound carriageway of the M1 on 23 October.
Bannan, 21, of Sutton Coldfield, West Midlands, was fined £4,500.
He was also charged with failing to stop after an accident, driving without due care and attention and driving on a provisional licence.
Nottingham Magistrates' Court heard the Scotland midfielder crashed his Range Rover Sport at about 05:30 BST.
He was found to have almost twice the legal limit of alcohol in his system.
Bannan had been on a night out with friends in Leeds following Villa's 2-1 home defeat against local rivals West Bromwich Albion.
A friend collected Bannan and they left for Leeds at 18:30 BST.
Bannan drank two cans of beer on the journey then drank more at a nightclub that night, magistrates heard.
The midfielder, who has been capped nine times by Scotland, got a taxi to his hotel at 03:00 BST and waited for his friends to return.
When they failed to return, Bannan decided to get changed and drive back to Birmingham as he feared he would miss a meeting with a youth football team coach he had known for 11 years.
Bannan said he took the decision to drive as he felt "alert, in control and clear headed", the court heard.
IF that story is true then it certainly has a few discrepancies!
He gets a lift to Leeds, gets a taxi to his hotel and then when his friends fail to turn up decides to drive back to Brum. Correct me if I am wrong but the story makes no mention of him having taken his car to Leeds in the first place! Still I suppose it doesn't really matter now!
He's only got a provisional licence so I imagine his mate drove the pair of them in Bannans car to Leeds. When his mate then stays out all night, bannan having already got back to the hotel stupidly decides to drive his own car back to Brum on a provisional licence full of beer. Makes perfect sense to me.
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Leaving football entirely to the side - and in that sense, I hope he has learned his lesson and gets on with his career, and becomes a better person out of this - but someone who drives on a provisonal license, gets shit faced, then drives a powerful car like that on the motorway, crashing it, then doing a runner before the rozzers arrive, really does deserve to go to prison.
He's not the first young person to make that mistake, but I really do think we'd take a different, harsher approach if he didn't play for us (and I include myself in the hypocrisy there)
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I bloody love him as a player, I really do, but that is just indefensible. I'm gutted to be honest.
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I remember when he was talking about how he was learning to drive on the OS.
Wasn't Pat Heard his driving instructor?
Can't believe he still only had a provisional license.
Surely a professional football could just have a lesson every day after training and be passed in no time.
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Surely a professional football could just have a lesson every day after training and be passed in no time.
No that's not possible!
Straight after training they have to go to the pub and after that they are not able to drive or take lessons.
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From Twitter
BBannan25 Barry Bannan
Gonna go for a mohawk soon tweeps wot u think ???
There's a Taxi Driver gag crying to be set free from that I'm sure.
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Instead of getting himself into shit and now tweeting about what haircut he's gonna get like all too many prick footballers these days, he should get his head down and start playing consistently at the top of his game. If he does he can be a creative spark we sorely lack. Thus far, Bannans only shown flashes of quality. I want to see far fucking more, and we all as fans deserve nothing but. It's not just McLeish's tactics, it's our players failing to pass the ball to someone in their colour. Even Eck would demand that at the very least. Bannan needs to take the bull by the horns in games and dictate the game a bit. He's not been very good this season in all honesty.
If he doesn't do something this season, I'd just fuck him off to be honest. For his age, what he's offered and what he's now done outside of the club, he should be on last chance saloon IMO.
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From Twitter
BBannan25 Barry Bannan
Gonna go for a mohawk soon tweeps wot u think ???
There's a Taxi Driver gag crying to be set free from that I'm sure.
Maybe Gabby can point him to a few skunk pussies.