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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: WALTERS WARRIORS on October 13, 2011, 05:40:16 PM
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Heskey is to be offered a new contract according to several media reports. A clear indication we have no ambition. Is mid-table totally exceptable now as wage bills are still being addressed. Or do we need to stabalize the club and accept that we cannot compete with the teams on the fringe of the big boys ?
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From reading the quote from McCleish he just says that Heskey doesn't need to worry about his future despite being the last year of his contract. You could interpret that in several ways, but I certainly wouldn't offer him a new one.
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With AM saying he's a bit like Bekenbauer (sp) , it's not that unbelievable.
Ivanhoe, I just vanhoe.
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If it's as a squad player at a reduced wage then fine or to help the yoof and reserves. But as a starter no bloody way
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Let's just hope we can get Beye signed up long-term so we'll have a bit more security for the future.
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Makes one want to puke.
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I thought we had to get big earners who hardly play out of the club ..
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acceptable
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If he's happy to accept parity with the likes of Delfouneso or Weimann then I'd have nothing against offering him another two year contract befitting the fourth choice striker that he is.
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He's a decent back up. I just hope his wages will reflect that if he is offered anything new.
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We been moaning about squad being too small for years. Manager after manager play him. He plays internationally and other proffesional players talk about him all the time. He's steady and he's respected if nothing else
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We been moaning about squad being too small for years. Manager after manager play him. He plays internationally and other proffesional players talk about him all the time. He's steady and he's respected if nothing else
That's it then, towel thrown in - 'steady and respected' is now worth a new contract - oh my days.
£20k a week max if it happens.
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He played an important role earlier in the year. He played well, and smart.
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So, where are the quotes to substantiate the story that he's going to be offered a new contract? I've read what the manager said but there's nothing specific there. Is there something else or is this another 2+2=74.29?
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I don't mind keeping him around but it would have to be on lots less than he earns now.
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Villa try to reduce wages. Villa offer Heskey, one of our higher earners, and who hasn't really done enough to justify his wage or fee, offered new contract? That would be bizarre and pointless. Lets face it, every manager who has him seems to love Heskey. Hell, I love the big bear too, because he always plays for the team, works hard and is a tryer. But it's unlikely a new offer would be a huge drop in wages. So essentially I see us forking out 40k a week. We could use that wage allocation on a new signing. Someone who's 10 years younger and probably gonna improve our starting 11.
I wouldn't be adverse to Heskey staying one more year, but for the love of good, could we not at least try to sign a few decent players, particularly in midfield. We have a chance to shift a lot of excess wage this summer, so it would be foolish not too.
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What Mcleish seemed to be saying in the article I read was that he was versatile. I tend to disagree. Hes crap on the wing, hes crap in midfield, he has his uses upfront on occasion and, my word, at the back? I don't care if he can spray passes around at the back, being a centre half is about being able to defend first and foremost. He might be a big lump, but i'd imagine his positional sense would leave a lot to be desired.
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Poor decision from the club this.
Heskey usually misses a third of games throughout the season injured and he's already missed a couple this season. That and his 60k a week.
I assumed the club would release him in the summer along with Beye and Carlos saving us around 130 a week or 6m a year.
Isn't he also one of the commuters from Cheshire?
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Don't let's let the lack of any evidence get in the way of another chance to moan.
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I don't mind if he sticks around at all, providing he
(a) Pays the club 62k a week for the next few years
(b) Funds our next transfer purchases out of his own money -the money he has 'earned' taking his Tumbling Bear show to football grounds up and down the country
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(c) His on the pitch role is reduced to testing Given with shots in the warm up.
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I hope this is not true.
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I like Heskey and have been one of his biggest supporters on here. But not even i'd offer him an extension unless he took a massive wage drop.
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I like Heskey and have been one of his biggest supporters on here. But not even i'd offer him an extension unless he took a massive wage drop.
Same here.
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I don't mind keeping him around but it would have to be on lots less than he earns now.
Me too.
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If we get him for a reasonable wage then what is the problem?
Emile Heskey is a decent player and can do a job for us while we allow the younger players to find their feet.
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acceptable
Yes.
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acceptable
Yes.
Please change this!
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If we get him for a reasonable wage then what is the problem?
Emile Heskey is a decent player and can do a job for us while we allow the younger players to find their feet.
Quite agree - I would also assume he moves into the 30mile zone?
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How bad is it when we think that £20k a week wages is reasonable!
The wage levels just adds to my list of reasons not to renew my st next season
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To those of you that think it is a good idea.
What position to you see him playing in? Because as far as I can tell strikers should score goals, and its not like the big cuddly lump is exactly cutting it as a winger.
Get rid.
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Unbelievable.
I am lost for words.
I'm going to lie down.
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All depends on the deal doesn't it?
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I have heard from several people over here (this is by no means an ITK) that he had the opportunity to join Leicester in the summer, who had offered to match his wages, but he had been told he has a substantial part to play with us this year so stayed, saying he would move next year. Nothing reliable but when you hear the same thing from different places.......
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Heskey is a squad player who can be used effectively and will do an honest job whenever called upon. So, if he's paid accordingly, great.
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I haven't seen a quote from McLeish saying he will be offered a new contract, the nearest I could find is:
""Emile is in the last year of his contract but I don't think he needs to worry about his future.
"Emile is a player who can play anywhere and won't let you down. He is a fantastic professional. I never have cheek from him."
No mention of his future being at Villa.
And IF he is awarded a new contract there is certainly no mention of it being on the same terms. And, yes, I'm sure he will be asked to move nearer to Bodymoor, why would he be excluded from that?
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How can a striker who doesn't score goals or a winger who doesn't set up chances be used effectively.
You wouldn't get a paper boy to do open heart surgery!
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Emile Heskey is a superb player. We are lucky to have him.
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How can a striker who doesn't score goals or a winger who doesn't set up chances be used effectively.
You wouldn't get a paper boy to do open heart surgery!
To provide a physical presence when up an odd goal perhaps? To use tactically to take the sting out of relentless opposition attacks by holding the ball up? Stuff he does.
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I think he'd be an excellent squad player.
Someone else's squad, obv.
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When we look back on the history of this great club, Heskey will symbolise the great lost opportunity.
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God help us!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! What have we done to deserve this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I have to say there are some pretty pathetic comments on this thread.
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He's been here how long? About 4 years? He's been injured most of the time I've been lookin forward to getting rid of the git if we give him a new deal were more stupid than I thought!!
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If he can stay fit for more than 20 games then yes sign him up.
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He's been here how long? About 4 years? He's been injured most of the time I've been lookin forward to getting rid of the git if we give him a new deal were more stupid than I thought!!
Almost three years by my reckoning...January 2009?
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So basically he has cost more than £10 million in wages and transfer fee already, delivered the square root of squat and we are thinking of keeping him longer.
No wonder we are broke.
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Rigadon, so you're talking about a defence minded striker. Do we not have defenders to do that?
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We should grab him and keep him. Glad we have. EH is gold.
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I think what AM said was Heskey would have no problems getting a contract, he didn't say that it would be at the Villa. With the number of players who have left in an effort to reduce the wage bill, I'd be stunned if we offered a new contract to any of the players coming towards the end of their current contract.
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I can't see Heskey getting a new deal at Villa at all. I think Eck is telling clubs like Leicester to come and sign him for a nominal fee.
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I have to say there are some pretty pathetic comments on this thread.
I know , Lou'zie even said
Emile Heskey is a superb player. We are lucky to have him.
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What i dislike about Heskey, is how he has been the player put on the pitch when we 1. defend a 1-0 lead, and lose it.. 2. try to score when behind, and we don't.
Not purely his fault that he is seen as a saviour - just that rarely he has been that.
Remember once that Milner held the ball in the corner for 4 minutes, then he played heskey and 0.5 seconds later - goal kick. (or maybe someone else than Milner).
It is more apathy from me when he gets on late in the game (has had some good games - but i think most have been from start).
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It seems most likely that a journo looking for a story has put a leading question to AM, who has answered in a diplomatic and quite neutral fashion about EM's future. You have to wonder what response would satisfy the critics on this thread, other than one along the lines of:
Get tay fuck, Emule can go and do Bambi on Ice, the radge cnut.
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Get tay fuck, Emule can go and do Bambi on Ice, the radge cnut.
That would be a good place to start.
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So basically he has cost more than £10 million in wages and transfer fee already, delivered the square root of squat and we are thinking of keeping him longer.
No wonder we are broke.
This, except I would add, when the vast majority agree he is generally shit and we should get rid, he goes and scores a winner and we are back to square 1. I refuse to accept he is the best we could do in that position.
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Rigadon, so you're talking about a defence minded striker. Do we not have defenders to do that?
Know what your saying mate, he does 'a job' well though. Managers always like him about. I like him too, just not as a 1st or 2nd choice striker. Also agree the signing of him was a missed opportunity (we needed a Darren Bent) but that's another story. If he's being re-signed on a much, much smaller contract then I see absolutely no problem wit hit. If it's on anywhere near the same, or even approaching half the money it's insanity.
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It seems most likely that a journo looking for a story has put a leading question to AM, who has answered in a diplomatic and quite neutral fashion about EM's future.
I disagree, it seems a bit of a strange thing to say if he's not going to be offered another contract here, McLeish seems a straight sort of bloke and I'd have thought that he'd have batted this one away more effectively if EH isn't part of his plans.
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I think my beef might be with the system. I can see why managers like him, because he does what he is told.
But any system where a striker that doesn't score is seen as what's required, I'm not sure I'm a fan of.
He has worked with our last 3 managers twice though so they must see something in him.
The only time I am interested in watching Emile play is the one game in thirty where he is mega pissed off. But even then its fifty fifty as to whether he will score or get sent off.
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Nobody's going to offer Heskey £60k per week now, why should Villa?
As long as Villa strike the right deal pay wise then another year's contract is OK by me. He can still come on and do a job.
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Ok 3 years it just feels like a lot longer
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I just cannot see Mcleish or the board being stupid enough to extend his contract at his current wage. Especially seeing as the wage bill remains a big issue and having a 34/35 year old on such a ludicrously high wage doesn't fit.
I agree with those saying another year at a reduced rate may be ok, as he is at least hard working and can instill some of that in the younger players.
However, I wouldn't want to be paying him more than £15k a week, which is obviously a drop Emile wouldn't be willing to take.
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I would keep him on pay as you score,i am sure we could afford him then !
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Nobody's going to offer Heskey £60k per week now, why should Villa?
As long as Villa strike the right deal pay wise then another year's contract is OK by me. He can still come on and do a job.
Pretty much sums it up for me!
If, and I do think it's a big 'if', he accepts a very much reduced contract I can see the value in keeping him around.
Personally, I think if Leicester get promoted he'll go to them.
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I know a girl who will be very excited if Heskey stays.
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@Fiiii_ona on twitter
I know a girl who will be very excited if Heskey stays.
@Fiiii_ona on twitter
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I have to say there are some pretty pathetic comments on this thread.
I know , Lou'zie even said
Emile Heskey is a superb player. We are lucky to have him.
When we signed he was never coming as a 15 - 20 goal a season player. So why are people going on about him not scoring loads of goals? He's not a striker like Bent or Gabby, he's a player who holds the ball up, a player for the strikers to play off.
He's not the sort of player who'll set the game alight like Ashley used to, he's a steady grafter who'll put a shift in for the team.
The type of pathetic comment I'm on about are the ones like :
Milner holds the ball in the corner for 4 minutes, gives it to Heskey who loses it in half a second. They then say it might not have been Milner after all!! I've never seen a player hold on to the ball for 4 minutes in a game, let alone in the corner trying to kill a game.
And since when are we privvy to how much he earns? £60k a week!! where did that come from?
There are probably only 2 players who come near that, and that will be Bent and Given.
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And since when are we privvy to how much he earns? £60k a week!! where did that come from?
General Krulak's son told us he was the highest earner at the club.
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McLeish never said he'd offer him a new contract, it's been spun that way. Nothing to see here, Emile Heskey will not be playing for Aston Villa in 2012/13
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The consensus among the Press is that he is on 50k a week. 10k better than what is being touted on here but still too much.
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And since when are we privvy to how much he earns? £60k a week!! where did that come from?
General Krulak's son told us he was the highest earner at the club.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't that before the signings of Bent and Given?
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Going to Leicester next summer according to what I heard from some of their fans at the weekend.
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If he plays well then I would offer him a new contract that's what it is all about playing well.
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From reading the quote from McCleish he just says that Heskey doesn't need to worry about his future despite being the last year of his contract. You could interpret that in several ways, but I certainly wouldn't offer him a new one.
I'd like to interpret that as clubs have been silly enough to give him stupid amounts of money for many years and he need never work again.
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And since when are we privvy to how much he earns? £60k a week!! where did that come from?
General Krulak's son told us he was the highest earner at the club.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't that before the signings of Bent and Given?
It was, yes, but even so, it shows that Heskey's no 40k a week man
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It was, yes, but even so, it shows that Heskey's no 40k a week man
True, but I always felt he came in on a par with our top earners at the time, such as Carew. In truth even if he's not on the generally accepted £60k a week, he won't be far off it.
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Franz Beckenbaur?
What's the next comparison going to be? Bobby Charlton?
Personally I think this should be the big lumps last season but why does AM have to come out with the comparison to beckenbaur?
Nearly as bad as saying he would be a decent centre half
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Maybe McLeish is just a very funny man. Win the blues a trophy for the first time in umpteen years then relegate them for the umpteenth time a few months later, compare Heskey to Beckenbaur, what next from the comedy genius? Can't wait for the dvd, it'll beat the season's highlights package I bet
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I would have said that heskey could be the new Steve Foster.
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I would have said that heskey could be the new Steve Foster.
I would have said that he could well be the new Titus Bramble.
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My mate said lunchtime that he read that petrov had compared Agbonlahor to Ronaldo, Now we see that Mcleish has compared Hefty to Franz Beckenbaur, I reckon there is £50 per player in the pot to see who can get the most ridiculous story printed.
Its probably international break boredom
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(c) His on the pitch role is reduced to testing Given with shots in the warm up.
Does saving shots from Heskey really consitute a warm up?
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he's a good player to have on the books at the right wage. He's a good person and a good leader, especially for a club that isn't the deepest and has a lot of kids coming through. Other players respect him which when you are looking to create the right environment for your squad is very important and underrated.
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A good person?
Crikey. It'd be useful if he could play a bit, too. Otherwise let's use the wage allocation more effectively.
If the wage bill is as tight as we are lead to believe, I can't see how keeping Emile on is even up for discussion.
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He wasn't the player we needed when we bought him and isn't the player we need after this season. How many goals has he scored for us and how many assists. Put him out to graze and lets move on. We do not need a 30 something forward as back up.
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Need a thread title edit. Think of the children etc.
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A good person?
Crikey. It'd be useful if he could play a bit, too. Otherwise let's use the wage allocation more effectively.
If the wage bill is as tight as we are lead to believe, I can't see how keeping Emile on is even up for discussion.
yeh, a good person. What's wrong with that? If he wants to stay on the same wages as he's on now then he's kidding himself, and I have no doubt the club wouldn't offer that anyway. He isn't as shit as some would have you believe but if he can play a role at a reasonable cost to the club then why not?
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A good person?
Crikey. It'd be useful if he could play a bit, too. Otherwise let's use the wage allocation more effectively.
If the wage bill is as tight as we are lead to believe, I can't see how keeping Emile on is even up for discussion.
yeh, a good person. What's wrong with that? If he wants to stay on the same wages as he's on now then he's kidding himself, and I have no doubt the club wouldn't offer that anyway. He isn't as shit as some would have you believe but if he can play a role at a reasonable cost to the club then why not?
Nothing is wrong with being a good person, but it is really not much of a reason to give a professional a new contract, is it?
If we're listing his attributes and "good person" is so near the top, the playing side positives must be pretty skimpy.
Tying up precious wage bill money in a 35 year old non-scoring striker is exactly the sort of thing we shouldn't be doing - and that's judged against the club's own criteria of late.
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A good person?
Crikey. It'd be useful if he could play a bit, too. Otherwise let's use the wage allocation more effectively.
If the wage bill is as tight as we are lead to believe, I can't see how keeping Emile on is even up for discussion.
yeh, a good person. What's wrong with that? If he wants to stay on the same wages as he's on now then he's kidding himself, and I have no doubt the club wouldn't offer that anyway. He isn't as shit as some would have you believe but if he can play a role at a reasonable cost to the club then why not?
Nothing is wrong with being a good person, but it is really not much of a reason to give a professional a new contract, is it?
If we're listing his attributes and "good person" is so near the top, the playing side positives must be pretty skimpy.
Tying up precious wage bill money in a 35 year old non-scoring striker is exactly the sort of thing we shouldn't be doing - and that's judged against the club's own criteria of late.
The "good person" bit is what you are hanging onto for your argument. I didn't ever list "good person" as being at the top or near the top of any list, or a singular attribute that would warrant retaining the player. It's rather just a constituent of him being a good leader or role model for other players at the club, particularly the younger ones. I'm not even advocating keeping him unless it absolutely made sense for the club given the current criteria by which they are operating. Something we are all now quite clear on.
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Need a thread title edit. Think of the children etc.
For cough Bad etc.
The exception prooves the rool.
Like Mel and Kim sez
Tay Tay Tay Tay
T T T T T T Tay Tay
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We aint never gonna be
Exceptable
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(c) His on the pitch role is reduced to testing Given with shots in the warm up.
Does saving shots from Heskey really consitute a warm up?
It constitutes a surprise that he got a shot on target. Unless the keeper is sat in row Z or stood near the corner flag.
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(c) His on the pitch role is reduced to testing Given with shots in the warm up.
Does saving shots from Heskey really consitute a warm up?
No but the amount of running that Given would have to do to fetch the ball from the North Stand Lower could equate to a 10k run.
Edit:- Posted before I read Chris' post! Great minds.....
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Does he deserve a new contract? Look at Todays performance and decide!!
I'd tell him to go January
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I'm expecting Heskey and Beye to go in January freeing up some money for a midfielder.
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I'm expecting Heskey and Beye to go in January freeing up some money for a midfielder.
You will be disappointed I think....Alex likes him and has played him every game that he has been available for
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Time for him to move on, looked out of it at times today.
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I'm expecting Heskey and Beye to go in January freeing up some money for a midfielder.
Im not expecting them to go anywhere until their contracts expire
Who is going to come in and offer beye 42k per week and heskey 50?
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Time for him to move on, looked out of it at times today.
Of course he looked out of it. He's a lumbering, brick shit house of a centre forward, playing out of position. At one stage today, he was almost playing at right back. Oh I forgot, he's The Kaiser.
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He's been arse since he arrived. I'm not sure why AM can't see it but then MON couldn't see it either. If clubs ever stop employing hoof merchants as managers, Ivanhoe could be in trouble. Until then....
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We have got so many mediocre players now, Hutton Nzogbia Delph Warnock Collins, just add heskey to that list.
So is mid table acceptable now? it is all we can hope for.
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(c) His on the pitch role is reduced to testing Given with shots in the warm up.
Does saving shots from Heskey really consitute a warm up?
It constitutes a surprise that he got a shot on target. Unless the keeper is sat in row Z or stood near the corner flag.
I should have written: does standing in goal watching shots from Heskey going wayward constitute a warm-up? Anyway, I think we should keep him. Fans seem to get more and more indifferent about Villa these days. The presence of Heskey in the starting line-up is one of few things that agitate them.
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Hasn't been a decent player for years. Complete non entity now and predictably was a complete passenger today.
One of MON's worst signings. Like Harewood the vast majority of Villa fans knew he would be too.
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Heskey suely has come to the end of his Villa playing days. We need to freshen up the squad. Possibly some unknown european starlets ? Think Delph is running out of games and we are still not sure what Jenas is going to bring to the table ........
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Maybe mcleish is using the prospect of a new contract as an incentive for heskey who apparently has been playing a lot in training as a centre half in recent weeks-however come the end of the season i would be astonished if heskey was offered a new contract.
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I'm expecting Heskey and Beye to go in January freeing up some money for a midfielder.
You will be disappointed I think....Alex likes him and has played him every game that he has been available for
I think that's in part due to wanting him in the side due to his height and power, which are antributes AM rightly recognises as important in the PL. Should we be able to find a Viera-like midfielder in Jan (yeah, I know!) then Heskey's place in the side immediately comes under threat, IMO.
And there's also the issue of whether he may be odd man out once Jenas is fit.
As to who'd take him, players entering the last few months of their contracts will naturally be looking around via their agent. It's possible some sort of deal could be struck - maybe to Leicester with us still paying a chunk of his wages?