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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Gaztonniller on October 02, 2011, 02:13:25 AM
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Anyone been watching the rugby and the scoring system awarded for tries, and penalty goals scored?
Being as Football did give birth to Rugby, maybe its time for its parent game to take a liitle something back. And that thing being its point scoring system.
Think about it; With all the controversy over players being awarded penalties for diving in the box which is influencing the outcomes of football matches, and is ruining the beautiful game as a whole; isnt it time something was done to try and rid us and football of this scourge of diving. Or should i say cheating?
Im sure any footy fan, who is still in love with this great game will be nodding their head in agreement right now, and would welcome anything (within reason) that would preserve the integrity of this game.
So how about this for an idea?
How about instead of a single goal being awarded when a goal was scored, we took a leaf from the game of Rugby and awarded points instead. For example, if a goal was scored during normal play then any goal scored was awarded lets say... 3pts. And if any penalty awarded was scored it was only awarded 1pt instead.
Imagine the situation. You have a player in the box trying to set themself up for shot at goal who feels a mere brush of his marker/defender. Instead of easily going down for a penalty claim, he is encouraged to stay on his feet because the pay-off of scoring in open play is now that much greater than scoring from the penalty spot.
Must admit Villa 6pts V 0 pts Wigan scorelines would take a bit of getting use to. But if by such a method it reduces the incidences of players trying to con the ref into awarding penalties, and encourages players into staying on their feet to try and score that extra 2pt, and better sportsmanship, where's the problem? ;D
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I'd personally prefer to just start deducting points for diving instead, that'd soon cut it out.
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Football gave birth to rugby?
So two spherical balls had it off and produced an abnormal egg-shaped runt and threw it out of the footballing family?
Kinda makes sense.
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Good in theory but too radical to ever come about. If we were to take anything from rugby I'd like it to be ref microphones so we can understand WTf is goin.on in their heads sometimes. Also the sin bin idea Is a good one
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Football gave birth to rugby?
So two spherical balls had it off and produced an abnormal egg-shaped runt and threw it out of the footballing family?
Kinda makes sense.
If anything, it was the other way around.
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Nah! Just keep it as it is will be fine by me, might cause a few too many contraversies, goal difference if fine by me!
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Surely this would just encourage more fouling in the box if it looks like the other team is going to score?
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Just saw the an Italian rugby player this morning indulging in a little eye-gouging on his Irish opponent.
As usual it went unpunished by the referee.
But that's ok because they all call the referee "Sir".
We have nothing to learn from this nasty game.
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In theory I like the idea of bonus points in the league for scoring more than a certain number of goals in a game but there are probably other drawbacks I haven't considered
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Surely this would just encourage more fouling in the box if it looks like the other team is going to score?
Dont think it would cause any more fouling in the box than there is now if the referrees are doing their job properly.
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Nah! Just keep it as it is will be fine by me, might cause a few too many contraversies, goal difference if fine by me!
May also rid the game of a few controversies too, and players diving around, rolling around like they'd been shot.
Its putting the emphasis on encouraging players to stand on their feet as the rewards for going to ground and getting a penalty is that much less.
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How about instead of a single goal being awarded when a goal was scored, we took a leaf from the game of Rugby and awarded points instead. For example, if a goal was scored during normal play then any goal scored was awarded lets say... 3pts. And if any penalty awarded was scored it was only awarded 1pt.
Taking it seriously for a second If you're comparing it with rugby if there is foul play to stop a team scoring a try then a penalty try is given. So surely as some penalties in football are for the same reason it would mean there would have to be 1 and 3 point penalties? A penalty is such a different thing in rugby to football.
Again to be taken with a pinch of salt, you could take the idea of winning and losing bonus points with the idea of making games more attacking but thinking about it it could do the opposite.
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Something football should take from rugby is stopping the clock when there's an injury or substitution. Would put an end to the dispute over time added on
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When tempers flare, egg-chasers will often pile in and punch the fuck out of one of the star players opposite. The ref just wags his finger a bit and they all grunt and get ready to scrimmage. Expensive premier league tickets would be better value if our players said "fuck this handbags at ten paces/ imitating rutting stags with the forehead lark" and punched a few opponents' lights out from time to time.
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If you were 2 points up with 5 minutes remaining, You would rugby tackle anyone about to take a shot in the knowledge that they could only score 1 point from the penalty
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There's a lot wrong with football, but goals aren't it.
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I have to say the idea of a bit of propper fighting being allowed, not the handbags rubbish we see in football would be great.
I also think bonus points in games awarded for goals scored would be good.
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How about instead of a single goal being awarded when a goal was scored, we took a leaf from the game of Rugby and awarded points instead. For example, if a goal was scored during normal play then any goal scored was awarded lets say... 3pts. And if any penalty awarded was scored it was only awarded 1pt.
Taking it seriously for a second If you're comparing it with rugby if there is foul play to stop a team scoring a try then a penalty try is given. So surely as some penalties in football are for the same reason it would mean there would have to be 1 and 3 point penalties? A penalty is such a different thing in rugby to football.Again to be taken with a pinch of salt, you could take the idea of winning and losing bonus points with the idea of making games more attacking but thinking about it it could do the opposite.
Good point made but tbh awarding different points for diferent penalty claims/situations may make things more complicated for the ref and the game. I'd be tempted to retain the old tried and trusted method of the ref using his powers to punish by sending off/booking the offender
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I have to say the idea of a bit of propper fighting being allowed, not the handbags rubbish we see in football would be great.
I also think bonus points in games awarded for goals scored would be good.
Why on the goals? Yes it might mean teams might not try to park the bus in some matches, but it mosty will mean Manure and Citeh will be even further ahead in the table then they are now and there will be more advantage when the ref sends a man off or a key player is injured during or before a match.
The only rules I would look at is the sin bin, refs miked up to explain their decisions as they make them, (although it might get embarrassing for them when they pick up them calling players Stevie and Wayno and such,) and maybe even temp blood substitutions type thing.
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Something football should take from rugby is stopping the clock when there's an injury or substitution. Would put an end to the dispute over time added on
I agree and dont know why they dont do it. Probably due to the old idea of wanting all games to kick off at the same times, and getting results in at the same time for the old video printer system.
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If you were 2 points up with 5 minutes remaining, You would rugby tackle anyone about to take a shot in the knowledge that they could only score 1 point from the penalty
Not much diference to now, where its 0-0 and a player breaks through and is baring down on goal. Defender can still rugby tackle him to prevent a winner. It wouldnt be a cure-all for cheating on the pitch, but may reduce those cheap penalty claim incidences.
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I have to say the idea of a bit of propper fighting being allowed, not the handbags rubbish we see in football would be great.
I also think bonus points in games awarded for goals scored would be good.
Why on the goals? Yes it might mean teams might not try to park the bus in some matches, but it mosty will mean Manure and Citeh will be even further ahead in the table then they are now and there will be more advantage when the ref sends a man off or a key player is injured during or before a match.
The only rules I would look at is the sin bin, refs miked up to explain their decisions as they make them, (although it might get embarrassing for them when they pick up them calling players Stevie and Wayno and such,) and maybe even temp blood substitutions type thing.
Agree with that. Stick with the same 3pts for a basic win, & 1 pts for a draw system as we have now.
The only difference with this new approach would be we'd be counting the points received from each goals scored during a match.
Eg instead of Villa 2-0 Wigan, the result would now read Villa 6 - 0 Wigan as each goal scored in open play, during this match would be counted as 3 pts instead just two goals ( if that makes sense).
Any penalties scored would just be awarded 1pt. Ultimately what ever the result at the end of play could be Villa 10pts - 0 pts Wigan, Villa would still be awarded the basic three points for winning the match.
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I have to say the idea of a bit of propper fighting being allowed, not the handbags rubbish we see in football would be great.
I also think bonus points in games awarded for goals scored would be good.
I'd take this further and allow one team to have a nominated 'reducer' who is allowed a free foul on the opposition's 'annoying show pony', both have to be nominated pre-match. So for example Collins,J could be the reducer and Nani the 'annoying show pony'. The conundrum is does Collins clean him up earlier does thus eliminating the annoying twat from the match or wait for the goal scoring chance and nail him then! Mind games could ensue as Collins could just chase the odious shyte around for 90 minutes making him pap his gold lace undercrackers at the prospect of having his legs broke!
A nice little sideline to the main game I reckon
(obviously this is very tongue in cheek!)
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Just saw the an Italian rugby player this morning indulging in a little eye-gouging on his Irish opponent.
As usual it went unpunished by the referee.
But that's ok because they all call the referee "Sir".
We have nothing to learn from this nasty game.
Things are missed in rugby, however players can be cited after the game.
Rugby is a full contact sport and it's difficult for the referee at times. I didn't see that game so I can't fully comment.
This is one introduction I would welcome into football, though.
Obviously, the result can't be changed, but, if after the game a player is cited for, let's say, diving he should be awarded a yellow card
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There are plenty of ideas that would benefit football.
Arguing with the referee, yellow card and free kick taken 10m forward.
Sin bin
Advantage rule, in football the ref waves advantage and we lose the ball within 2 passes. In rugby play is bought back for the origonal foul.
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I don't personally like that idea, however a bonus point win for victories in which a team scores 4+ goals would be interesting.
It would certainly discourage sides from shutting up shop for the last ten minutes or so like we see so often.
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The simplest and best way to put a stop to cheating and diving without changing the beautiful game too much, would be to implement camera technology during the game and enforce stronger punishments for any cheating after the match (fines and bans). A player will think twice about diving if he's about to lose a months wage and banned for 3 games.
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I'd prefer it if we just got rid of rugby.
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Leave the points allocation as is.
With regard to diving (sorry, should I call that simulation), dissent or whatever, the Laws are there already. Just send them off. They will soon stop.
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Wombat, you've just made me spit coffee all over my keyboard and the office wonder what the fuck I'm doing!!
We can take plenty from rugby at many levels - respect for the ref from all involved being the main one. I've played both and coached my son in both sports, and the attitude of all involved at either game is streets apart. It's no sprupise there's no respect in professional football when many parents at grass roots levels behave the way they do.
Anyway, I'd take the ref mikes, sin bin and ten metre rules for dissent, as well as a bonus point for four goals.
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Philthebar's right. Players can already be cautioned for diving and I'd happily see them sent off.
I'm not in favour of bonus points and the like. I would prefer to see more punitive sanctions if a player dives. Something like a ten match ban or even points being deducted. I would imagine that would soon stop it from happening.
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So we're 2-1 down with a minute to go, Gabby smacks the ball goalwards and just before it crosses the line the fullback handles it.
Penalty to us, little BB slots home the goal and we lose 6 points to 4 under the points system. Cannot see the fairness in this.
Always liked the idea of a clock that stops when there are stoppages in the game to get an accurate 90 mins played though.
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Wombat, you've just made me spit coffee all over my keyboard and the office wonder what the fuck I'm doing!!
We can take plenty from rugby at many levels - respect for the ref from all involved being the main one. I've played both and coached my son in both sports, and the attitude of all involved at either game is streets apart. It's no sprupise there's no respect in professional football when many parents at grass roots levels behave the way they do.
Anyway, I'd take the ref mikes, sin bin and ten metre rules for dissent, as well as a bonus point for four goals.
My brother has started a Sunday league side, a few of them play rugby as well. It's quite funny to see the other side's reaction when they instinctively call the ref Sir.
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Philthebar's right. Players can already be cautioned for diving and I'd happily see them sent off.
I'm not in favour of bonus points and the like. I would prefer to see more punitive sanctions if a player dives. Something like a ten match ban or even points being deducted. I would imagine that would soon stop it from happening.
Was it A. Sugar at Spurs who took the FA to Court when Spurs were threatened with a big point deduction over some issue? If it were Villa that were deducted 10pts that resulted in relegation, or missing out on CL revenue we'd be demanding court action or summat done especially if there's some room for doubt in whether a player did dive or not.
So we're 2-1 down with a minute to go, Gabby smacks the ball goalwards and just before it crosses the line the fullback handles it.
Penalty to us, little BB slots home the goal and we lose 6 points to 4 under the points system. Cannot see the fairness in this.
Always liked the idea of a clock that stops when there are stoppages in the game to get an accurate 90 mins played though.
Cant deny that is a possibility. But its also a possibility now that your winning 2-1 and someone takes a dive in the closing seconds and scores from the pen to draw 2-2 which is also unfair.
But if in yr example the opposition needed to score to get the 3 pts to tie the match, they'd be little chance of a player diving if he'd only get 1pt from the spot and subsequently still lose the match 6-4.
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Was it A. Sugar at Spurs who took the FA to Court when Spurs were threatened with a big point deduction over some issue? If it were Villa that were deducted 10pts that resulted in relegation, or missing out on CL revenue we'd be demanding court action or summat done especially if there's some room for doubt in whether a player did dive or not.
Fair point, Gaz. I was thinking along the lines of decisions in which there was no room for doubt.
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Don't know if it's already been mentioned, but, how about trying the skin tight shirts?
This would certainly stop all the shirt tugging.