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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Mark H on September 23, 2011, 10:11:07 AM
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http://www.watfordobserver.co.uk/sport/9268477.Weimann_returns_to_Aston_Villa/
Recalled after initial 28 days due to our injury problems
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Maybe Fonz is not impressing ..
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...and Nzog
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Might mean Bent is out...
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Maybe Fonz is not impressing ..
Maybe?
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Probably just shows our injury crisis is worse than originally thought.
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The brief times I've seen him always been impressed with Weimann - I'd say we'd be better placed blooding him a bit and giving the Fonz a stint on loan.
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The Fonz has been out on loan and we learnt that he didn't score when playing for Burnley.
All of our youngsters are at an age now where they need to be delivering in the prem or sold
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I really rate Weimann, I just hope he gets a chance now.
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The Fonz has been out on loan and we learnt that he didn't score when playing for Burnley.
All of our youngsters are at an age now where they need to be delivering in the prem or sold
I agree totally. When I see how quickly youngsters come through at other clubs and seem to make their mark, I sometimes get a bit tired of waiting to see for what seems ever and an age whether any of our crop are going to make it. It always appears to me, perhaps unfairly, that whilst we seem to develop an awful lot of good'ish talent quantity wise, we rarely seem to produce the one off special talents on a regular basis as, say, Everton do
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Agreed. He's had some useful 1st team experience with Watford, he should be feeling pretty sharp. Obviously McLeish doesn't rate the Fonz, could be time to wave him goodbye.
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How many goals did he score with Watford so far this season?
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How often has the Fonz started in his position, as centre forward?
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The Fonz has been out on loan and we learnt that he didn't score when playing for Burnley.
All of our youngsters are at an age now where they need to be delivering in the prem or sold
I agree totally. When I see how quickly youngsters come through at other clubs and seem to make their mark, I sometimes get a bit tired of waiting to see for what seems ever and an age whether any of our crop are going to make it. It always appears to me, perhaps unfairly, that whilst we seem to develop an awful lot of good'ish talent quantity wise, we rarely seem to produce the one off special talents on a regular basis as, say, Everton do
Fully agree Richard
Bannan and Albrighton are what 22?
The Fonz has been around the first team for 3 seasons
Chris Herd is 22
Shane Lowry is 22
Ciaran Clark is 22
hardly kids
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The Fonz has been out on loan and we learnt that he didn't score when playing for Burnley.
All of our youngsters are at an age now where they need to be delivering in the prem or sold
I agree totally. When I see how quickly youngsters come through at other clubs and seem to make their mark, I sometimes get a bit tired of waiting to see for what seems ever and an age whether any of our crop are going to make it. It always appears to me, perhaps unfairly, that whilst we seem to develop an awful lot of good'ish talent quantity wise, we rarely seem to produce the one off special talents on a regular basis as, say, Everton do
Fully agree Richard
Bannan and Albrighton are what 22?
The Fonz has been around the first team for 3 seasons
Chris Herd is 22
Shane Lowry is 22
Ciaran Clark is 22
hardly kids
Just to keep this cordial piece going I also agree. Time is now for these "kids" to piss or get off the pot.
I feel Clark and Bannan are the only two who will make it in the PL others need to move with perhaps one last loan deal to see if they can deliver.
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Agree Aftab
Very worried about Albrighton, come Xmas and he'll have been rubbish for a year.
With our kids it's been "jam tomorrow" for the past 2 seasons
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How often has the Fonz started in his position, as centre forward?
He's tended to have done ok when he's played up front, but he was out wide the other night which was just stupid.
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Interesting decision, Heskey will probably be back for Wigan and Bent has a chance of making Sunday so I'd say this is a kick up the backside for Fonz to actually start scoring some goals unless he's injured himself.
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How often has the Fonz started in his position, as centre forward?
He's tended to have done ok when he's played up front, but he was out wide the other night which was just stupid.
From what I have seen of him, I just cannot see him ever being a first choice striker for Villa, he's just not good enough.
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How often has the Fonz started in his position, as centre forward?
He's tended to have done ok when he's played up front, but he was out wide the other night which was just stupid.
From what I have seen of him, I just cannot see him ever being a first choice striker for Villa, he's just not good enough.
I tend to agree with that.
The few times i have seen him i havent been overly impressed with his positional sense and decision making
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Bent and Heskey both out for Sunday!
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How often has the Fonz started in his position, as centre forward?
He's tended to have done ok when he's played up front, but he was out wide the other night which was just stupid.
From what I have seen of him, I just cannot see him ever being a first choice striker for Villa, he's just not good enough.
I tend to agree with that.
The few times i have seen him i havent been overly impressed with his positional sense and decision making
Agreed
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The amount of stick the Fonz was getting from the bench for not being in the right positions and generally not doing what he was told would indicate they aren't particularly happy with him...
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The Fonz has been out on loan and we learnt that he didn't score when playing for Burnley.
All of our youngsters are at an age now where they need to be delivering in the prem or sold
I agree totally. When I see how quickly youngsters come through at other clubs and seem to make their mark, I sometimes get a bit tired of waiting to see for what seems ever and an age whether any of our crop are going to make it. It always appears to me, perhaps unfairly, that whilst we seem to develop an awful lot of good'ish talent quantity wise, we rarely seem to produce the one off special talents on a regular basis as, say, Everton do
Fully agree Richard
Bannan and Albrighton are what 22?
The Fonz has been around the first team for 3 seasons
Chris Herd is 22
Shane Lowry is 22
Ciaran Clark is 22
hardly kids
Agree entirely.
All about the average age of the teams ManU have been putting out recently.
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None of our youngsters cost us or are likely to cost anyone £15-20million like Phil Jones or De Gea did Man United.
The brute fact is that as good as they have all been in spells the likelihood is that only 1 or 2 will make a good player for us and at best another two will go on to be solid players for other PL teams. The rest will be down the divisions.
I like Weimann. He is super talented and a decent finisher but he's struggled to get going due to injuries.
The thing is that we should have sent most of them out on loan sooner. A lot of the problems we are seeing with the Fonz are due to a lack of football IMO. Had he been given those spells out in the Championship two seasons ago then we would see a bettter player now. When he first broke through he was a rwa talent and since then he hasn't moved on and may even have gone backwards.
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deffo agree with the fonz
as soon as he was sniffing around the first team he should have been out on loan
he couldn't do it Burnley but he is going to magically come good for us
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the fonz has had his chance,he aint gonna make it.ditto albrighton.i hope they prove me wrong.
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Thought my mate was lying when he saw him and Barry Bannan in Mechu the other night. Well must be true. Bannan is always in there and likes a drink no wonder he has no pace.
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the fonz has had his chance,he aint gonna make it.ditto albrighton.i hope they prove me wrong.
He's going to make it as soon as he's shipped off. ::)
I dont want him to go, but we need some sort of return on these investments we've been babying for the last 5 years. C'mon youngin's.
I really rate Weimann and think he can do a serious job for us in the Prem. I recommended that we recall him about two or three weeks ago on Twitter because our strikeforce just wasn't there and I got absolutely blasted by Villa "supporters" saying I was clueless.. well, look what we've come to.
I'd like to see him feature. We have nothing to lose and I can't see Delfounso making an impact from the start. Weimann on the other hand scores left and right no matter what team he's playing for.
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The Fonz has not had his chance at all!
You lot are all abit delirious, you can't compare our academy players to those of other clubs, we hear about ours very early, but only hear about players from other clubs when they break in to a team.
When the likes of Kevin Prince Boatang, Welbeck, Cleverley, Walker were mentioned on here everybody turned there nose's up at them.
One is playing well for AC Milan, one we had an loan and all agree is quality and the other two were 1st teamera at untied until they got injured.
The Fonz has not had a chance, he had a run last season of a few games and was subbed just after scoring against Burnley, apart from that he has always played out wide out of position. Look how long it's taken Gabby to adapt to that position.
Wiemann I really rate and I think will flourish if given a chance.
A chance is not defined by being thrown in because we have no other option, it's consistently giving them minutes on the pitch, 10-15 minutes here and there, letting them adapt.
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Come on Andy, bang a couple in when you get the chance!
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He's presumably going straight into the squad for Sunday so good luck Andreas; here's hoping you get a run out and make an impact!
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Don't matter how many strikers we have he'll only play one up front, I actually like Andreas I don't rate the Fonz, as my mate says he couldn't beat an egg. Send him out on loan
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Great! Can we get Makoun back as well?
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Sadly I don't think he can recall Makoun
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So - there are loans and 'loans'. Darn it.
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I think the rule is you cannot recall a loan from abroad.
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It's less frequent now with the academy system that 16-21 year olds are getting runs in the first team. Not just for us, but for everybody. It's the bigger squads and the huge difference between academy/reserve football and even the championship.
Very few of the kids are prepared for the extra level of physicality. You are still growing physically until you are 23, not everyone is a man-boy like Wayne Rooney or James Milner. There are a lot more late-bloomers now than there used to be because of the gap in standards, and just because a player doesn't adapt straight away doesn't mean we should write them off.
The Fonz is a rare talent who has been around the 1st team squad for 3 years, but he is still only 20. The instability over the last 18 months has done more damage to the youth than anything else because we have had a bunch of different managers who play different styles and no singular club philosophy for them to aim for in play style, that will see them through from youth to the senior team. This is why Ajax has been a production line over the years, Barcelona is doing the same thing. Arsenal have it too, even though they are buying youth at a later age.
Every youth player at Man U knows what Sir Alex is like and what he is looking for as well. We may have a good academy, but for our youth players it is a crap shoot about what to work on to appeal to the first team manager.
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Don't matter how many strikers we have he'll only play one up front, I actually like Andreas I don't rate the Fonz, as my mate says he couldn't beat an egg. Send him out on loan
We played 2 up front last week and, as expected, it didn't work.
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Agree with others Fonz hasn't been given a chance,how can he develop if he's not been given the playing time? Start him against QPR and see what he can do,I don't think Mcleish will though because he hasn't got the audacity.
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Don't matter how many strikers we have he'll only play one up front, I actually like Andreas I don't rate the Fonz, as my mate says he couldn't beat an egg. Send him out on loan
We played 2 up front last week and, as expected, it didn't work.
What two up front did we play last week?
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Don't matter how many strikers we have he'll only play one up front, I actually like Andreas I don't rate the Fonz, as my mate says he couldn't beat an egg. Send him out on loan
We played 2 up front last week and, as expected, it didn't work.
What two up front did we play last week?
Bent and Gabby
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Don't matter how many strikers we have he'll only play one up front, I actually like Andreas I don't rate the Fonz, as my mate says he couldn't beat an egg. Send him out on loan
We played 2 up front last week and, as expected, it didn't work.
What two up front did we play last week?
Bent and Gabby
Well Gabby was'nt up front, he was out wide, where's he's been mostly so far and he's been effective too.
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Don't matter how many strikers we have he'll only play one up front, I actually like Andreas I don't rate the Fonz, as my mate says he couldn't beat an egg. Send him out on loan
We played 2 up front last week and, as expected, it didn't work.
What two up front did we play last week?
Bent and Gabby
Well Gabby was'nt up front, he was out wide, where's he's been mostly so far and he's been effective too.
We started with 442, Gabby up with Bent.
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Don't matter how many strikers we have he'll only play one up front, I actually like Andreas I don't rate the Fonz, as my mate says he couldn't beat an egg. Send him out on loan
We played 2 up front last week and, as expected, it didn't work.
What two up front did we play last week?
Bent and Gabby
Well Gabby was'nt up front, he was out wide, where's he's been mostly so far and he's been effective too.
We started with 442, Gabby up with Bent.
Ok, i thought he was out wide but if he did start with two up front, then it worked seeing as Gabby scored after 13 minutes.
It'll be interesting to see what he does tomorrow.
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It worked for 20 minutes or so but I think after that they got on top in midfield and we were a bit overrun. I'm not one of those that think 442 can never be effective but you have to have the right type of players in centre mid and I'm not sure we do at the moment.
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It worked for 20 minutes or so but I think after that they got on top in midfield and we were a bit overrun. I'm not one of those that think 442 can never be effective but you have to have the right type of players in centre mid and I'm not sure we do at the moment.
By the same token, we're having trouble finding the balance with the midfield three. I think Bannan's best coming off the bench at the moment and and sooner rather than later he might have to start Ireland to see what he can do. Another idea is playing Zoggy next to the front man, with Gabby and Albrighton out wide, with Delph and Petrov in the middle.
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It worked for 20 minutes or so but I think after that they got on top in midfield and we were a bit overrun. I'm not one of those that think 442 can never be effective but you have to have the right type of players in centre mid and I'm not sure we do at the moment.
Exactly,
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Currently playin U21's on Sky Sports 3 vs Scotland....scored an utter screamer....bend it like Weimann :-)
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I hope he gets his chance in the first team soon.
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At the expense of who, though? Gabby and Bent will always play when fit. Gentle Ben will periodically make appearances. Things look bleak for Nathan unfortunately as I rate him but it seems Weimann has jumped ahead of him in the pecking order. Weimann might get more appearances off the bench but a run of starts will take a year if not two (provided Bent doesn't upsticks before then).
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He's come on in the last two games so his chances can't be that limited. I read that mcleish is considering him in midfield v man city, presumably in a 451 and if Ireland and bannan are out.
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He's come on in the last two games so his chances can't be that limited. I read that mcleish is considering him in midfield v man city, presumably in a 451 and if Ireland and bannan are out.
Oh jesus.
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He's come on in the last two games so his chances can't be that limited. I read that mcleish is considering him in midfield v man city, presumably in a 451 and if Ireland and bannan are out.
Oh jesus.
and the orphans
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He's come on in the last two games so his chances can't be that limited. I read that mcleish is considering him in midfield v man city, presumably in a 451 and if Ireland and bannan are out.
Oh jesus.
and the orphans
Hopefully Heskey will be in goal and Doug Ellis will be on the wing. It's time we mixed things up around here!
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Weimann seems a far better prospect than the Fonz, who despite watching him on a regular basis, does nothing for me ... so to speak .
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The Fonz does still have a decent goalscoring record for us albeit in cup competitions. Think he'll be off end of season though.
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He's come on in the last two games so his chances can't be that limited. I read that mcleish is considering him in midfield v man city, presumably in a 451 and if Ireland and bannan are out.
Oh jesus.
and the orphans
And where do you both get this wonderful knowledge of Weimann's skill as an attacking midfielder? It;s not like you will have seen him play many times as he's barely had a chance to play for us. If Bannan and Ireland are out who else can play? Heskey? Jenas on his crutches?