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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Ad@m on September 22, 2011, 09:40:23 PM
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If you're sick of annoying Scousers fawning over 'King Kenny' you should like this.
I discovered an interesting stat today that in the first 27 games in charge under Kenny Dalglish, Liverpool have only won two games more than under Hodgson, despite spending over £100m. Details here - http://www.liverpool-kop.com/2011/09/kenny-dalglish-vs-roy-hodgson-first-27.html
It links in with the thread on selling the naming rights to Villa Park and just shows how little £100m gets you these days where to a club like Man City that's three players!
It also shows that regardless of how good or bad you are, if the fans don't want you, your reign will be deemed a failure from the start!
Unlucky Alex...
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He is the Red Scouse version of Wah KK in Geordie Dreamland. Can't wait for it to go tits up. In fact the only thing that is making me smile about football at the moment is how inept the Red Shite are. Good luck Downing you money grabbing twat bag.
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And yet, they'll be scrapping it out with Spurs for 4th place come the end of the season.
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In fact the only thing that is making me smile about football at the moment is how inept the Red Shite are. Good luck Downing you money grabbing twat bag.
What would you have said to a Watford fan that said that about Ashley Young in 2007?
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It depends on how you spend the 100 mill really. Bearing in mind that he didn't exactly start from scratch, he's hardly done much to inspire.
I'm just glad to see some other club spunking money left right and centre on players are most unlikely to provide a commensurate return.
O'Neill must be crying his eyes out.
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In fact the only thing that is making me smile about football at the moment is how inept the Red Shite are. Good luck Downing you money grabbing twat bag.
What would you have said to a Watford fan that said that about Ashley Young in 2007?
So Villa are to Liverpool what Watford are to Villa?
We're all a bit down at the moment, but steady on.
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And yet, they'll be scrapping it out with Spurs for 4th place come the end of the season.
Yep. It always seems to be the wrong time for us doesn't it?
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I was ambivilant at first but when Onion face started moaning about getting a raw deal from ref's I soon changed my mind.
Fuck 'em. And him.
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I was ambivilant at first but when Onion face started moaning about getting a raw deal from ref's I soon changed my mind.
Fuck 'em. And him.
I agree, as a deflection tactic, slagging the ref is sooo old and boring....in fact exactly what you'd expect from someone who had been out of the game for so long....he'll be playing 3 at the back next....oh, hang on!
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In fact the only thing that is making me smile about football at the moment is how inept the Red Shite are. Good luck Downing you money grabbing twat bag.
What would you have said to a Watford fan that said that about Ashley Young in 2007?
Why because we are playing Championship football? Not certain but I think we are above Liverpool in the league at the moment. Anything else?
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And yet, they'll be scrapping it out with Spurs for 4th place come the end of the season.
sorry Pete3206, I don't think they will be. I reckon they will be lucky to hit top 7/8
apart from Suarez, Reina and maybe Stevie Me I would not have any of them at the Villa.
UTV
the Doc
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It depends on how you spend the 100 mill really. Bearing in mind that he didn't exactly start from scratch, he's hardly done much to inspire.
I'm just glad to see some other club spunking money left right and centre on players are most unlikely to provide a commensurate return.
O'Neill must be crying his eyes out.
I've said before that they remind me of us about 3 years ago - paying over the odds for mostly very average players with one or two exceptions in a fruitless search for that elusive CL place. Whilst I think they might get a tad closer than we did, it will all unravel in much the same way, with Suarez going to a club who can pay him more and guarantee him medals whilst some of the others such as Henderson will have vastly reduced resale values. Sound familiar?
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And yet, they'll be scrapping it out with Spurs for 4th place come the end of the season.
sorry Pete3206, I don't think they will be. I reckon they will be lucky to hit top 7/8
apart from Suarez, Reina and maybe Stevie Me I would not have any of them at the Villa.
UTV
the Doc
Arsenal and Liverpool will both finish in the top 6, above us, despite their poor starts. In a depressing league that's possibly the most depressing thought of all. Actually scratch that I've just had a mental image of Rio singing "champione"
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In a depressing league that's possibly the most depressing thought of all. Actually scratch that I've just had a mental image of Rio singing "champione"
I can think of very little that isn't depressing this season, but the possibility of Liverpool fucking up is a little ray of gladness.
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In a depressing league that's possibly the most depressing thought of all. Actually scratch that I've just had a mental image of Rio singing "champione"
I can think of very little that isn't depressing this season, but the possibility of Liverpool fucking up is a little ray of gladness.
I agree. The depressing part is that their equivalent of fucking up will still most likely see them comforably in the top 6 and comfortably ahead of us.
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I've got a £10 bet that they won't get top 4.Don't let me down KK
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if they finish 6th , I wouldnt thing the board would be that happy with the money he has spunked ..
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For the third year in a row, the idiot gloryhunting wannabe scousers at work have offered me free money by betting on then finishing top four again. Is it really only two years since I was arguing for days on end on here against people predicting that they would finish top 4 forever more?
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There seems to be a lot of people writing off Liverpool's top 4 chances, based on the fact they can't stand Liverpool.
Yes, they are average and yes they have spent a lot of money on middling players. But, they do have Gerrard and Suarez, which gives them a distinctive advantage over a lot of teams around them. For me, only Spurs look better equipped at the moment.
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For the third year in a row, the idiot gloryhunting wannabe scousers at work have offered me free money by betting on then finishing top four again. Is it really only two years since I was arguing for days on end on here against people predicting that they would finish top 4 forever more?
The only thing I remember you arguing more was that they'd go into financial meltdown
*wink*
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For the third year in a row, the idiot gloryhunting wannabe scousers at work have offered me free money by betting on then finishing top four again. Is it really only two years since I was arguing for days on end on here against people predicting that they would finish top 4 forever more?
The only thing I remember you arguing more was that they'd go into financial meltdown
*wink*
More than the "proper right back" argument?! I think not.
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We can kid ourselves all we like about their iffy start but they'll finish a lot higher in the league than we will.
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In a depressing league that's possibly the most depressing thought of all. Actually scratch that I've just had a mental image of Rio singing "champione"
I can think of very little that isn't depressing this season, but the possibility of Liverpool fucking up is a little ray of gladness.
I am already resigned to finding almost all of my rays of gladness in other teams misfortunes this season - seeing Chelsea relegated to also rans in the top 4 and Liverpool not make it at all into the CL spots would be notable highlights for me...
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There seems to be a lot of people writing off Liverpool's top 4 chances, based on the fact they can't stand Liverpool.
For me, only Spurs look better equipped at the moment.
And City, United, Chelsea. I also think that if Newcastle get their strikers fit could finish above them, Stoke look a more complete side than Liverpool.
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It depends on how you spend the 100 mill really. Bearing in mind that he didn't exactly start from scratch, he's hardly done much to inspire.
I'm just glad to see some other club spunking money left right and centre on players are most unlikely to provide a commensurate return.
O'Neill must be crying his eyes out.
Yes it does depend on how you spend it. If you spend £120M on two sets of back 4 all equally useless and some dross midfielders as was the case with MON than it will not get you a CL place.
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There seems to be a lot of people writing off Liverpool's top 4 chances, based on the fact they can't stand Liverpool.
For me, only Spurs look better equipped at the moment.
And City, United, Chelsea. I also think that if Newcastle get their strikers fit could finish above them, Stoke look a more complete side than Liverpool.
Which strikers are Newcastle waiting to get fit?
They must have the least inspiring selection up front the PL has every seen. Lovenkrands, Best or Shola Ameobi.
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Thing is, they have still spent a vast amount of money just to try and get them in the top six by the look of it. They will spend more money next season to push on again I assume.
That's been Villa's problem, as Graham Taylor pointed out about Doug. You have to spend a lot of money to become good. You then have to spend a lot more to become excellent.
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For the third year in a row, the idiot gloryhunting wannabe scousers at work have offered me free money by betting on then finishing top four again. Is it really only two years since I was arguing for days on end on here against people predicting that they would finish top 4 forever more?
The only thing I remember you arguing more was that they'd go into financial meltdown
*wink*
No I didn't. I thought that they couldn't afford to keep spending enough money to maintain the differential between them and other similar sized clubs, and that sooner or later, something would have to give, meaning either their finances or their top-four status.
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For the third year in a row, the idiot gloryhunting wannabe scousers at work have offered me free money by betting on then finishing top four again. Is it really only two years since I was arguing for days on end on here against people predicting that they would finish top 4 forever more?
The only thing I remember you arguing more was that they'd go into financial meltdown
*wink*
No I didn't. I thought that they couldn't afford to keep spending enough money to maintain the differential between them and other similar sized clubs, and that sooner or later, something would have to give, meaning either their finances or their top-four status.
I still think it stands up mate.
Let's face it, their current owners are no petro-billionaires, I think they've taken a chance that they can revive this 'super-brand' by throwing cash at it short term, but if it goes tits up they're not going to throw good money after bad, and it will be time to tighten belts.
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I find it astonishing the way that John Henry, a man who was heavily implicated in the brilliant implementation of the 'moneyball' policy at the Red Sox, who saw the success of marrying smart investment with myth-busting statistics, could be so suckered into making every single one of the classic transfer market errors in football.
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It looks like I'm in a minority but I thought Liverpool were excellent against Brighton, the movement of all the players was light years ahead of what's seen at VP regularly.
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It looks like I'm in a minority but I thought Liverpool were excellent against Brighton, the movement of all the players was light years ahead of what's seen at VP regularly.
But...that was Brighton. How can you say they're going to be that great on the basis of a win against Brighton?
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It looks like I'm in a minority but I thought Liverpool were excellent against Brighton, the movement of all the players was light years ahead of what's seen at VP regularly.
Blackpool ,last season's movement were lights years ahead of us and they went down ..
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It looks like I'm in a minority but I thought Liverpool were excellent against Brighton, the movement of all the players was light years ahead of what's seen at VP regularly.
I assuming you only watched the first 40 odd minutes? Because after that Brighton were the better side and created the most chances with only suspect finishing letting them down.
Talking of that match, a scouse fan at work told me that during KK's after match interview when he was asked to comment on Brightons performance, he said he is only paid to promote Liverpool and will only discuss them or words to the same effect. First of all, what an arse, and secondly, if I was the interviewer, the next words out of my mouth would have been "So can you tell me why £100 mil of talent struggled against a Championship side?"
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Much as - just like 12 months ago - it is great to revel in Liverpool's supposed inadequacies, they will inevitably end up qualifying for Europe through their league position and be there ore thereabouts in the the later stages of at least one of the domestic cups, i.e. all the things that we're unlikely to do.
They were over-hyped in the first couple of weeks of the season, but they're a good enough team, certainly compared to us.
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I don't think they will make top 4 this season, and let's face it anything less is a failure after all the money spent.
I just don't think KD is good enough anymore, set in his old school ways, living in the past, Liverpool need to move forward not recreate the past,
I do think Carrol will come good, bit his other signings are average, and as I said at the time anyone who spends 20mill on Downing is not going to be building a top 4 side, but we shall have to wait and see.
Either way they are still in a better position than us, but i'l still be hoping they fail (again) this season, as I don't like them and never have.
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Carroll, Downing and Henderson are ok players but nowhere near worth their price tags. Carroll in particular is hugely over rated. He's an old fashioned centre forward, perhaps worth £10m. I can only assume they agreed to pay Newcastle £35m because Chelsea agreed to pay them an equally outrageous £50m for Torres, and it was the last day of the transfer window.
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For the third year in a row, the idiot gloryhunting wannabe scousers at work have offered me free money by betting on then finishing top four again. Is it really only two years since I was arguing for days on end on here against people predicting that they would finish top 4 forever more?
The only thing I remember you arguing more was that they'd go into financial meltdown
*wink*
More than the "proper right back" argument?! I think not.
People saying that the bloke who plays as a specialist right-back for the Dog and Duck on Sunday mornings is better than any non-specialist right-back professional footballer in that position is not really an argument though, is it?