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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Compass on September 18, 2011, 07:49:22 PM
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He cannot tackle, has no pace, goes down too easily, can't read the ball correctly and finds himself out of position alot. It appears he enjoys hoofing the ball way too much that's the worst out of the lot. How can he pick up so much wages every week without having any guilt that he has no football ability? Why is it he always starts in our team but can't get off the Wales bench? He always looks lost and hopeless on the pitch.
It seems he has too much power in the dressing room because there's no other reason why a manager would pick him even over someone like Clark who actually has football talent and could really blend well with Given and Dunne by his side. It actually makes me sick we've gone from good defenders such as Laursen, Mellberg to this troublesome waste of space who must be thinking it's the lottery every week with the money he's on.
Now it looks like he could be getting a 2 year extension if McLeish gets his way. :o
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I think he's been good this season, just wish he'd stop pining the ball down the field.
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I think he's a great CB and partners Dunne effectively.
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He cannot tackle, has no pace, goes down too easily, can't read the ball correctly and finds himself out of position alot. It appears he enjoys hoofing the ball way too much that's the worst out of the lot. How can he pick up so much wages every week without having any guilt that he has no football ability? Why is it he always starts in our team but can't get off the Wales bench? He always looks lost and hopeless on the pitch.
It seems he has too much power in the dressing room because there's no other reason why a manager would pick him even over someone like Clark who actually has football talent and could really blend well with Given and Dunne by his side. It actually makes me sick we've gone from good defenders such as Laursen, Mellberg to this troublesome waste of space who must be thinking it's the lottery every week with the money he's on.
Now it looks like he could be getting a 2 year extension if McLeish gets his way. :o
Yes but he's got a great haircut
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I have a friend who is a Villa fan, is a football and futsal coach and spends all his spare time doing tactical analysises of football matches. All I have to do to get him in a bad mood is to utter the words 'James Collins'.
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I have a friend who is a Villa fan, is a football and futsal coach and spends all his spare time doing tactical analysises of football matches. All I have to do to get him in a bad mood is to utter the words 'James Collins'.
I should mention Broadmoor.... ;)
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He cannot tackle, has no pace, goes down too easily, can't read the ball correctly and finds himself out of position alot. It appears he enjoys hoofing the ball way too much that's the worst out of the lot. How can he pick up so much wages every week without having any guilt that he has no football ability? Why is it he always starts in our team but can't get off the Wales bench? He always looks lost and hopeless on the pitch.
It seems he has too much power in the dressing room because there's no other reason why a manager would pick him even over someone like Clark who actually has football talent and could really blend well with Given and Dunne by his side. It actually makes me sick we've gone from good defenders such as Laursen, Mellberg to this troublesome waste of space who must be thinking it's the lottery every week with the money he's on.
Now it looks like he could be getting a 2 year extension if McLeish gets his way. :o
I believe he speaks highly of you, too.
Seriously, I think he's adequate but would prefer to see Clarke playing at CB.
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He provides some much needed muscle in the side. And as for "Why is it he always starts in our team but can't get off the Wales bench?" He's played 39 games in the last 7 years for his country and captained them on several occasions. He'd stick his head in front of a moving bus and scores some valuable goals.
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His distribution is cack but I wouldn't go so far as to say he's shite. He's no Paul McGrath but then again,who else is ?
He'd bust a gut for us and I'm happy enough with him beside Dunne. He is a fighter, just like Dunne is.
Clarkes time will come.
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Collins and Dunne < Laursen + randomer (i.e Zat/Curtis)
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I think he's a great CB and partners Dunne effectively.
I refer you to my God post.
Great?
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He cannot tackle, has no pace, goes down too easily, can't read the ball correctly and finds himself out of position alot. It appears he enjoys hoofing the ball way too much that's the worst out of the lot. How can he pick up so much wages every week without having any guilt that he has no football ability? Why is it he always starts in our team but can't get off the Wales bench? He always looks lost and hopeless on the pitch.
I couldn't disagree more. He's good in the tackle, has deceptive pace, is rarely beaten in the air, throws himself at everything and isn't afraid to stride forward if he has to. He isn't McGrath, but no one is. He plays well with Dunne, and he gives everything for the Villa. As much as I rate Clark for the future, I'd no way start him ahead of Collins right now.
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Compass, I'll have a pint of whatever you've been drinking.
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I think he actually has a pretty good range of passing, as long as he keeps it on the ground. He should pick 15yard passes more often then trying to play 50 yard diagonal balls. He had a bad year last year along with 75% of the team but looks like he is trying to make ammends now.
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He's the least-skillful half of a centre-back duo. See also Chris Nicholl, Ken McNaught, Shaun Teale. What was the point of them?
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I think he's solid and reliable and has done pretty well so far this season from what I've seen. I'd certainly have him in ahead of Clarke at the moment, although his time will come
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Collins is a decent centre-back. And he saved our bacon at St Andrews last season.
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Collins is immense in the air much of the time, and blocks a hell of a lot that goes un noticed, sure he is not a continental style distributor like say.... Arsenal have, but then they conceded 6 a game, and we don't.
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Collins is a decent defender.
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He cannot tackle, has no pace, goes down too easily, can't read the ball correctly and finds himself out of position alot. It appears he enjoys hoofing the ball way too much that's the worst out of the lot. How can he pick up so much wages every week without having any guilt that he has no football ability? Why is it he always starts in our team but can't get off the Wales bench? He always looks lost and hopeless on the pitch.
I couldn't disagree more. He's good in the tackle, has deceptive pace, is rarely beaten in the air, throws himself at everything and isn't afraid to stride forward if he has to. He isn't McGrath, but no one is. He plays well with Dunne, and he gives everything for the Villa. As much as I rate Clark for the future, I'd no way start him ahead of Collins right now.
I agree Summers.
It's unfair to compare him with McGrath & Lausen, those pair were truely world class. I think some people are watching a different person to us. I've lost count of the number of times he's won an important header or threw himself in front of a striker as he shoots.
It easy to say "He just hoofs it", he doesn't by the way, but at times it needs a good old hoof. every team does it, I've seen the likes of Man U, Chelsea and even Barcalona and Madrid defenders do it.
Ceiran Clark's time will come, he'll get his chance this season at some point. I rate him so I've no doubt he'll take his chance.
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What an odd thread.
Collins has been very good alongside Dunne.
I only wish someone would tell him he can't pass a ball 40 yards.
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I think he's a great CB and partners Dunne effectively.
This.
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He does a job for us in a solid way. He gives everything and is tough and uncompromising.
Collins is the type of CB who needs a strong player as his defensive partner and thrives under such an arrangement. I'm not comfortable with Collins as the senior partner though and think that partnering Clark with him at the moment would harm Clark's development.
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The fact that our defensive inadequecies of last season have been all but eradicated would suggest that both Collins and Dunne are doing things right.
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I'm impressed with Collins (& Dunne) so far. I have no complaints.
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With all due respects - we have bigger problems at the moment to solve on other areas of the pitch than Collins - he defends in the old fashioned way of blocking but needs to play as simple ball when coming away with the ball
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Of course Collins is shit Compas!! and while you're at it, have a moan about Gabby & Bannan, don't forget to mention that N'Zogbia is the greatest player to don a Villa short-EVER :o
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I've been critical of him in the past but I think he's started the season really well, can't think of too much he did wrong on saturday?
In an ideal world, he'd be a good cover on the bench but in our present state he's a decent centre half to have around.
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He's the least-skillful half of a centre-back duo. See also Chris Nicholl, Ken McNaught, Shaun Teale. What was the point of them?
They had better foils than Dunne maybe.
I hope Clark is a first choice this time next year otherwise the ''Why did we sell Cahill?'' threads will be overtaken for most multiple topics about the same bloody thing.
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The defence is doing ok at the moment including Collins , the midfield is the problem ..
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He heads the ball.
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What's the point of this thread?
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What's the point of this thread?
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=> James Collins = The Meaning of Life
QED
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Collins is immense in the air much of the time, and blocks a hell of a lot that goes un noticed, sure he is not a continental style distributor like say.... Arsenal have, but then they conceded 6 a game, and we don't.
Agreed. In fact I think he'd do well at Arsenal. He's exactly the kind of uncompromising, nigh on unbeatable in the air defender they need. I've got no complaints about him or Dunne so far this season. It seems they've put last seasons aberrations behind them.
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Collins is immense in the air much of the time, and blocks a hell of a lot that goes un noticed, sure he is not a continental style distributor like say.... Arsenal have, but then they conceded 6 a game, and we don't.
Agreed. In fact I think he'd do well at Arsenal. He's exactly the kind of uncompromising, nigh on unbeatable in the air defender they need. I've got no complaints about him or Dunne so far this season. It seems they've put last seasons aberrations behind them.
Collins or Koscielny
I know which player I would prefer ...
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I'm bumping this.
Honestly, I know alot of players have been terrible this season, but Collins is the worst out of the lot. He's the main reason why we hoof. What's more shocking is the fact he's suppose to be good in the air right? So why is it that not so long ago he got beaten by a midget in the air?
He's one of the dumbest footballers as well. He sums up the headless chicken term. Where on earth was he for the first goal tonight against Spurs? And the second goal was lower than pub error.
It's not a coincidence that since he got dropped from Wales they've became marginally better both defensively and pass rate wise. Why can't we do the same? What's going on here? McLeish said he'll pick players on form, but that's another bullshit comment coming from his mouth. All talk to appease fans on stuff they want to hear. How much you wanna bet he'll be in the starting XI in the next game and the next game after that? I'm ashamed to see him wearing the Villa shirt considering he has a poor attitude as well who's robbing us blind. He should fuck off to the Championship already.
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If you were giving individuals stick over tonight's performance, you'd have knocked your pipe out on others well before you reached Collins.
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Collins is immense in the air much of the time..
I would have said that's one of his weaker points, especially when competing for a goalkeepers cleareance into our half, Collins despite his height and strength generally gets beaten by the opposition striker.
As for Clark, doesn't he prefer to play on the left, so it would be Dunne not Collins he's in line to replace.
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Collins has steadily got worse since I made that comment 3 months back. He and Warnock are big issues, Cuellar and Clark would be in my side for them tomorrow.
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He's crap basically. If you're not totally adverse to MON and have limited time for the last manager, you can probably make a case than he polished a turd for a season or so. Unfortunately the current manager's turd polishing skills are sadly lacking
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Collins has steadily got worse since I made that comment 3 months back. He and Warnock are big issues, Cuellar and Clark would be in my side for them tomorrow.
It was only two months ago ;)
Someone mentioned the danger of a Cahill situation arising with Clark if we're not careful. Ciaran deserves a go in the team in place of Collins. Both him and Dunne like playing left centre back is the only problem.
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why does this man get a shirt with Clark on the bench?? UNREAL!!
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As for Clark, doesn't he prefer to play on the left, so it would be Dunne not Collins he's in line to replace.
That's why you'd play Cuellar and Clark as a partnership ...
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Needs to be dropped,been poor for a while now.
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A very unintelligent player; passing ability appalling - defending ability very questionable, positional sense to suit the Rose & Crown 2nd eleven.
Drop him for Clark.
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Collins was at fault for both goals. He needs to be dropped fo sure.
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Something Ive been saying for some time. While everyone has been slating Hutton Im willing to give him a bit of time but Collins annoys me so much, yes is heart is in it but you need more than that.
He cant pass to save his life but thinks he can drill these long balls up field and his positional sense is way off. I'm fed up of the amount of times he spends appealing for offside instead of being in the right place
I like Dunne not the quickest but reads it really well so an obvious choice is a pacy young defender with him, not a similar but below par version of himself
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I like Collins, but we do need to do something at the back to shake things up a bit. I can see him starting Carlos at CB against Swansea with Hutton reverting to RB.
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He is a poor defender. Makes elementary mistakes and than puts in great last minute tackles to block and that impresses people. However if he defended better in the first place there would be no need for spectacular stuff.
His distribution is a bit like Eddie Stobart's. Long distance any where all the time.
The man is a liability and should be farmed off to Bolton or Blackburn or Small Heath.
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I like Collins, but we do need to do something at the back to shake things up a bit. I can see him starting Carlos at CB against Swansea with Hutton reverting to RB.
I think Collins has been piss poor, so would look at dropping him, too, but I've barely more confidence in either of the full backs.
Hutton is shockingly poor. I can't believe we wasted 4 million on him. The notion that Spurs spunked 9 on him just beggars belief.
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Collins is mid table fodder so still right for our level.
He should be cover on our bench and play the odd game against the likes of Stoke and Bolton, not start every fecking week.
In the summer if Blackburn go down, I'd get in Samba, get Clark learning alongside him, let Dunney go and firmly nail Collins down to our bench.
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As for Clark, doesn't he prefer to play on the left, so it would be Dunne not Collins he's in line to replace.
That's why you'd play Cuellar and Clark as a partnership ...
I worry about a lack of leadership/organisation in that combo though.
I'd certainly bring in Carlos full time at RB as Hutton is dreadful and I think Warnock...Clark...Dunne...Carlos would give us a more solid look especially with the teams we've got coming up.
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I like Collins, but we do need to do something at the back to shake things up a bit. I can see him starting Carlos at CB against Swansea with Hutton reverting to RB.
I think Collins has been piss poor, so would look at dropping him, too, but I've barely more confidence in either of the full backs.
Hutton is shockingly poor. I can't believe we wasted 4 million on him. The notion that Spurs spunked 9 on him just beggars belief.
He's unbelievably bad, easily the worst right back we've had in twenty years.
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I really would like it if Collins was dropped and replaced by Clark that would be better for us if that happens he is not playing that well at the moment we need to change something around.
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His distribution is a bit like Eddie Stobart's. Long distance any where all the time.
The funniest thing I've read all morning!
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He'd play better if he got rid of those spats he wears instead of proper boots!!
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In the summer if Blackburn go down, I'd get in Samba, get Clark learning alongside him, let Dunney go and firmly nail Collins down to our bench.
I could live with that!
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I really would like it if Collins was dropped and replaced by Clark that would be better for us if that happens he is not playing that well at the moment we need to change something around.
He needs to be given his chance now,his distribution alone would be a massive improvement on last nights cack.
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I don't think it that helpful to blame all our woes on one individual. The team is not playing well, just like last season.
There are two reasons for this 1. Either virtually all the players are not good enough, or 2. The players are better than the performances suggest, and there is something wrong with the tactics and approach to games.
After the Swansea game, Villa are entering a winter of pain with the games coming up. If nothing changes in regards to any of the above reasons, we are going to have severe problems.
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As for Clark, doesn't he prefer to play on the left, so it would be Dunne not Collins he's in line to replace.
That's why you'd play Cuellar and Clark as a partnership ...
To be fair, Dunne has been more than decent this season but I get the idea that Dunne and Collins are best mates so neither is dropable without rocking the boat. If it meant dropping both to bring in Clark, so be it, nobody is bigger than the team. More urgent than Collins is Hutton, does anybody know when Eric L is back?
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I like Collins personally. He's no world beater but he's an example of where we are as a club at the moment.
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He's the least-skillful half of a centre-back duo. See also Chris Nicholl, Ken McNaught, Shaun Teale. What was the point of them?
They had better foils than Dunne maybe.
I hope Clark is a first choice this time next year otherwise the ''Why did we sell Cahill?'' threads will be overtaken for most multiple topics about the same bloody thing.
And they were better players themselves.
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I like Collins..
He may not be the quickest Centre Back in the World but he more than makes up for it with his tackling & blocking.
He'd get in my Villa Team every week.
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I think he's been out of form all season. He gets bullied and dominated too easily by large opposition strikers and centre backs at set pieces and has had a huge tendency all season to dive into challenges ending up on his arse and out of the game. His positioning at times is woeful as he seems to get dragged to the ball like a 10 year old schoolboy meaning he quite often has to resort to risky last ditch tackles and blocks. His distribution is woeful and he doesn't score enough from set pieces. So on balance he shouldn't be in the team. He's got out of jail on more than one occasion this season by Dunne's covering.
However, the one mitigating factor he gets in his favour is having to play alongside Alan Hutton who is even more clueless.
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I like Collins as well, but i'd also like to see Carlos finally given a proper run at centre half.
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Our right side of the defence is incredibly weak at the moment and it will continually be exposed over the next few weeks.
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Collins is brave and committed, can't knock his attitude.However, ability wise he's IMO not good enough.Personally i'd give Cuellar and Dunne the chance to form a partnership but I feel that is unlikely as Cuellar will be off in January.
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How many mid-table Premier Leauge teams would Collins get into? Stoke? Fulham? Newcastle? Everton? not sure.
I'd like to see Clark play.
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Cuellar might be an improvement on Collins defensively but he will hoof it just as bad.
That is why I would bring Clark in. We need a complete transformation of the way we play.
Clark will help us keep the ball. Particularly when other sides playing one up front he can push on a bit.
McLeish wont see that though. He hasnt a clue frankly.
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He cannot tackle, has no pace, goes down too easily, can't read the ball correctly and finds himself out of position alot. It appears he enjoys hoofing the ball way too much that's the worst out of the lot. How can he pick up so much wages every week without having any guilt that he has no football ability? Why is it he always starts in our team but can't get off the Wales bench? He always looks lost and hopeless on the pitch.
It seems he has too much power in the dressing room because there's no other reason why a manager would pick him even over someone like Clark who actually has football talent and could really blend well with Given and Dunne by his side. It actually makes me sick we've gone from good defenders such as Laursen, Mellberg to this troublesome waste of space who must be thinking it's the lottery every week with the money he's on.
Now it looks like he could be getting a 2 year extension if McLeish gets his way. :o
you are a right bundle of fun you are arent you. If we were in the trenches i hope you aint anywhere near me! talk about a harbinger of doom!
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I think he's been out of form all season. He gets bullied and dominated too easily by large opposition strikers and centre backs at set pieces and has had a huge tendency all season to dive into challenges ending up on his arse and out of the game. His positioning at times is woeful as he seems to get dragged to the ball like a 10 year old schoolboy meaning he quite often has to resort to risky last ditch tackles and blocks. His distribution is woeful and he doesn't score enough from set pieces. So on balance he shouldn't be in the team. He's got out of jail on more than one occasion this season by Dunne's covering.
However, the one mitigating factor he gets in his favour is having to play alongside Alan Hutton who is even more clueless.
Spot on there, AV82EC, especially the last part.
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Collins has the positional sense of a sunday league player. How hard is it to man mark a player as opposed to giving him 5 yards space then lookind bewildered holding your arm up for offside when at least 2 teammates are standing behind you
He isn't making the Welsh first team is he?
Cuellar needs to come in for him
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I don't know what's scarier. That 3/4 of our back four is either out of form or just plain crap or that the remaining quarter is Mr Inconsistency himself, Richard Dunne.