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Title: Pressing On
Post by: dave.woodhall on September 12, 2011, 11:55:55 AM
Another week, another bad headline:

http://www.thebirminghampress.com/2011/09/12/so-far-so-not-bad/
Title: Re: Pressing On
Post by: lovejoy on September 12, 2011, 12:13:09 PM
A good piece Dave, my concern is Eck is making us difficult to beat but we seem to be drawing a lot and may struggle to score...like Blues last season.
Title: Re: Pressing On
Post by: eamonn on September 12, 2011, 12:26:38 PM
I think people baulked over the length of Given's contract more than the transfer fee. Once you get a bad back injury there's only so much you can do to persevere with it. Hopefully it won't hamper him and us too much for the next couple of years at least.
Title: Re: Pressing On
Post by: JJ-AV on September 12, 2011, 02:36:51 PM
Good read, and a fair assessment. Especially the Everton bit.

As for us, I totally agree with us needing to take a few more risks. Our next 3 league games will give us a better view of how McLeish sees us this season, a bit of ambition there and we could be in a decent position going into the Autumn.
Title: Re: Pressing On
Post by: taylorsworkrate on September 12, 2011, 02:41:40 PM
Nice piece Dave.

However, saying that Gabby is as good as any striker in the country when on form is pushing it a fair bit imo.
Title: Re: Pressing On
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 12, 2011, 02:56:55 PM
We needed to become hard to beat again, and not know when to quit. We've seen the exact opposite in Villa sides over the years, and for a bit it reared it's ugly head last season. Too many players throwing in the towel. If AM can get the belief back, much like MON was able to in his first 18 months, it will serve us well in the long run. Richard Dunne has been a revelation and Shay Given is the signing of the summer. Simply superb. We need to work on the creativity a lot, but that will come. N'Zogbia, Jenas, Ireland, Bannan, Albrighton can all contribute and will. Bent has been a 20 goal man in worse sides than us in his career. Very good players always find a way to stay that way.
Title: Re: Pressing On
Post by: Chris Smith on September 12, 2011, 03:03:01 PM
We're in the nice position of knowing there is more to come from the squad. Neither Bent nor N'Zogbia have been on top form so far this season, Jenas has yet to play and we have Bannan, Albrighton, Ireland and Clarke who will all be desperate to take the chances that will come their way as the season unfolds.

I have no problems at all with the manager opting to largely use the more experienced players up to now, as that solid platform means that those mentioned above will not come into a squad short on confidence.
Title: Re: Pressing On
Post by: Concrete John on September 12, 2011, 03:10:26 PM
We're in the nice position of knowing there is more to come from the squad. Neither Bent nor N'Zogbia have been on top form so far this season, Jenas has yet to play and we have Bannan, Albrighton, Ireland and Clarke who will all be desperate to take the chances that will come their way as the season unfolds.

I have no problems at all with the manager opting to largely use the more experienced players up to now, as that solid platform means that those mentioned above will not come into a squad short on confidence.

I don't think it's a matter of a choice of experience or not, but rather the all round blend between the defence and Bent.  We have good players, even if no specialist midfield holding player, so we have to get the balance right.  Ultimately, what we may see is a 4-4-2 with Gabby alongside Bent and a midfield of Albrighton, Petrov, Jenas and N'Zogbia. 
Title: Re: Pressing On
Post by: mattjpa on September 12, 2011, 03:24:35 PM
Good piece although I'm guessing calling given the start of the show was a typo? Either way, I agree that ECM needs to start taking risks, I be inclined to try and get bannan in the team with Ireland-possibly try two up top with bent and gabbs too
Title: Re: Pressing On
Post by: Rigadon on September 12, 2011, 05:01:17 PM
Maybe Everton fans have a kind of you're-too-similar-to-us dislike for us.  Only room for one underachieving, traditional, rich in hoistory team often found in upper/ mid-table!!
Title: Re: Pressing On
Post by: mattjpa on September 12, 2011, 05:30:11 PM
Good piece although I'm guessing calling given the start of the show was a typo? Either way, I agree that ECM needs to start taking risks, I be inclined to try and get bannan in the team with Ireland-possibly try two up top with bent and gabbs too
I understand the irony of two typos in my previous message...damn iPhone keys....
Title: Re: Pressing On
Post by: TheSandman on September 12, 2011, 05:52:14 PM
Excellent piece Dave. Agreed with all of it. In particular the hope that now that we seem to have a solid foundation and belief within the squad we can start to be more adventurous.

I had my reservations over the length of Given's contract but his form has gone a long way towards dispelling them.
Title: Re: Pressing On
Post by: cheltenhamlion on September 12, 2011, 07:04:52 PM
Did you nick your headline based on mine for my latest article?
Title: Re: Pressing On
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 12, 2011, 07:11:13 PM
Excellent piece Dave. Agreed with all of it. In particular the hope that now that we seem to have a solid foundation and belief within the squad we can start to be more adventurous.

I had my reservations over the length of Given's contract but his form has gone a long way towards dispelling them.

I imagine Arsenal fans are beside themselves that we have Given. As Dave pointed out in the article clubs have no issue paying stupid money for proven forwards/midfielders etc, but they seem to be hesitant when it comes to keepers. Arsenal went and lashed out 12m or whatever it was on a 17yr prospect yet didn't want to pay for Schwarzer last summer, or even what we paid for Given. Madness.
Title: Re: Pressing On
Post by: VillaAlways on September 12, 2011, 10:09:54 PM
I'm sure I read that ARsenal were interested in Given but ManC would not sell to a direct competitor
Title: Re: Pressing On
Post by: CJ on September 13, 2011, 03:42:59 PM
Nice article. Also liked your review of the Inbetweeners film!
Title: Re: Pressing On
Post by: Gervilla81 on September 13, 2011, 03:57:43 PM
A good piece Dave, my concern is Eck is making us difficult to beat but we seem to be drawing a lot and may struggle to score...like Blues last season.

Becoming harder to beat is a good thing and hopefully Bent and Gabby will get the goals that will turn potential draws into wins, I think our Squad is better equipped than the blues of last season in forward department
Title: Re: Pressing On
Post by: Lowendbehold on September 13, 2011, 07:33:08 PM
A good piece Dave, my concern is Eck is making us difficult to beat but we seem to be drawing a lot and may struggle to score...like Blues last season.

Becoming harder to beat is a good thing and hopefully Bent and Gabby will get the goals that will turn potential draws into wins, I think our Squad is better equipped than the blues of last season in forward department

We are not the attacking force we were last season, or at least once we got into gear last season.  So we need to be hard to beat.  Keep a clean sheet and you only have to score once.
Title: Re: Pressing On
Post by: Villanation on September 13, 2011, 07:39:34 PM
Good report, proper notoriety for Shay Given's start at the club and further mention of Bannan's and Dunne's performances for there respective countries and of course bang on about Gabby, when in form and at full flight, he's right up there with the best no question, a real handful and isn't it about time local press started getting behind some of the midland's top stars as they do in London and the North West/East etc, its almost as if we are embarrassed to have a top player.
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