Heroes & Villains, the Aston Villa fanzine
Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: eastie on September 11, 2011, 07:53:32 AM
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I know its the mirror but would his ego allow him to drop a division although he would have millions to spend i guess-
Martin O誰eill is being lined up to make a sensational return to Leicester City.
There are serious concerns inside the ambitious Championship club that current boss Sven Goran Eriksson is not the man to inspire City痴 promotion push. The Thai investors, who masterminded their takeover last year, have shown they are prepared to invest in the team, but believe that there must be a immediate bolt for the top flight.
O誰eill is still revered in Leicester from his five years as boss from 1995. He guided the club to promotion to the Premier League and two League Cup finals, lifting the trophy in 2000.
O誰eill has been out of work since leaving Aston Villa 13 months ago and has so far rejected any new job offers.
If Eriksson can mastermind a run of victories, the former England manager may still hang onto his job.
But if the board decide a change must be made, then ex-Foxes boss O誰eill is the man they will turn to.
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O誰eill has been out of work since leaving Aston Villa 13 months ago and has so far rejected any new job offers.
Presumably they mean the debacle that was West Ham. Great spinning.
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I reckon he'll be joining Sunderland before too long.
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I reckon he'll be joining Sunderland before too long.
Interesting call, and the club he supported as a boy-stranger things have happened.
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MON linked to a club where he can throw money around like its going out of fashion, would you beleive it?
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If I were Leicester I would stick with Sven
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I half expected him to pitch up at Forest in the summer, but seeing how Steve McClaren has so quickly became embroiled in the same difficulties with those who hold the City Ground purse strings as dogged Billy Davies, perhaps not. MON is nothing if not cute when it comes to making sure that he really is the boss.
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He's not as universally popular in Leicester as the papers would have you believe although he undoubtedly has his fans here. The more casual fans tend to like him a lot more than those that are really knowledgeable about the game.
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I reckon he'll be joining Sunderland before too long.
Interesting call, and the club he supported as a boy-stranger things have happened.
He supported Sunderland as a boy-stranger?
Things have happened.
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He's not as universally popular in Leicester as the papers would have you believe although he undoubtedly has his fans here. The more casual fans tend to like him a lot more than those that are really knowledgeable about the game.
Haha, Ok then.
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He's not as universally popular in Leicester as the papers would have you believe although he undoubtedly has his fans here. The more casual fans tend to like him a lot more than those that are really knowledgeable about the game.
Haha, Ok then.
I'm not sure what that was supposed to mean, care to elaborate?
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The casual fans rate their greatest ever manager, but the really knowledgable ones aren't so keen? I'd have a look at who knows what if I were you.
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Was on a Sunderland fanzine last night they feel that both Bruce and Quinn will be out the door soon.
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The casual fans rate their greatest ever manager, but the really knowledgable ones aren't so keen? I'd have a look at who knows what if I were you.
Whatever they thought of him there can be be no doubt he achieved great success for them,and established them as a top 10 team as well as winning two wembley finals and taking them into europe-Mon may not be as likeable as some and his style of football can be frustrating to watch but his results record at Leicester was superb.
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I agree it's a strange situation given his record but it's still the truth in my experience. There are people I know here who loathe him, they're all season ticket holders. A large percentage of the season ticket holders I know are not pro/anti but most definitely don't consider him a legend. I'll conceed that some do.
His biggest fans tend to be the type of people who will try to strike up a football conversation with you and just regurgitate the story they read in the Sun last week. Once you challenge that view point or try to expand into other areas and get a good conversation going they really don't have a clue. They'll say he was a legend and then admit that they've been to 2 or 3 games in the last 20 years.
I'm stating what I've learnt from living and working here for over 10 years as well as attending the occasional Leicester game. My clothing is usually conspicuously Villa and it means I end up having lots of football related conversations with the people I meet. So I'm basing my opinion on conversations I've had with many, many people in that time.
As I said at the start of this reply, it's a strange situation and one that surprised me but that doesn't mean I'm talking shite.
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I agree it's a strange situation given his record but it's still the truth in my experience. There are people I know here who loathe him, they're all season ticket holders. A large percentage of the season ticket holders I know are not pro/anti but most definitely don't consider him a legend. I'll conceed that some do.
His biggest fans tend to be the type of people who will try to strike up a football conversation with you and just regurgitate the story they read in the Sun last week. Once you challenge that view point or try to expand into other areas and get a good conversation going they really don't have a clue. They'll say he was a legend and then admit that they've been to 2 or 3 games in the last 20 years.
I'm stating what I've learnt from living and working here for over 10 years as well as attending the occasional Leicester game. My clothing is usually conspicuously Villa and it means I end up having lots of football related conversations with the people I meet. So I'm basing my opinion on conversations I've had with many, many people in that time.
As I said at the start of this reply, it's a strange situation and one that surprised me but that doesn't mean I'm talking shite.
I certainly am not doubting you for one minute , i know how he can divide opinion only too well from his time here and he can seem an arrogant and stubborn individual without doubt, with some players he undoubtedly proved a great motivator while others have slagged him off for ignoring them so i guess he is a complex character.
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I agree it's a strange situation given his record but it's still the truth in my experience. There are people I know here who loathe him, they're all season ticket holders. A large percentage of the season ticket holders I know are not pro/anti but most definitely don't consider him a legend. I'll conceed that some do.
His biggest fans tend to be the type of people who will try to strike up a football conversation with you and just regurgitate the story they read in the Sun last week. Once you challenge that view point or try to expand into other areas and get a good conversation going they really don't have a clue. They'll say he was a legend and then admit that they've been to 2 or 3 games in the last 20 years.
I'm stating what I've learnt from living and working here for over 10 years as well as attending the occasional Leicester game. My clothing is usually conspicuously Villa and it means I end up having lots of football related conversations with the people I meet. So I'm basing my opinion on conversations I've had with many, many people in that time.
As I said at the start of this reply, it's a strange situation and one that surprised me but that doesn't mean I'm talking shite.
Fair enough.
There are people who write on here about their genuine experiences with fans of particular clubs and firmly believe that they all share a personality type. They mean it, but that doesn't make them correct.
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Last month When Saturday Comes included their annual pre-season preview. The publication is marking the 25th anniversary of its launch and one of the questions it asked each of the contributors was for their personal favourite moment of following their club during the WSC years. Pointedly the Wycombe, Leicester and Celtic fans all referred to either the entirety of the MON reign at their club or an event that happened within it.
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I did notice when we played there in the League Cup that he got a good but not rapturous reception from their supporters.
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Just listening to Robbie Savage on 606 coming back in the car, and was asked who should take over if the position should become available at Leicester, well it don't take much guess work to realise the Leicester fan was calling for Mon to take over, Robbie Savage then turns around and says, good call, without doubt Martin is one of the top 5 managers in the country and has turned down many offers to manage clubs.
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MON linked to a club where he can throw money around like its going out of fashion, would you beleive it?
I don't really think of MON as a cheque book manager, more a manager who does well on limited resources, but not much better with unlimited resources.
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I expect he would get a mixed reception if he came back here with a new club but although i feel it was time for him to leave i would applaud him for doing a decent enough job here-he did ok but not great and wouldnt get the sort of welcome sir graham and big ron got in my view.
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Just listening to Robbie Savage on 606 coming back in the car, and was asked who should take over if the position should become available at Leicester, well it don't take much guess work to realise the Leicester fan was calling for Mon to take over, Robbie Savage then turns around and says, good call, without doubt Martin is one of the top 5 managers in the country and has turned down many offers to manage clubs.
By 'country' was Savage refering to Wales or Northern Ireland?
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Tell you what I did find strange, the comment was made that Leicester are now a rich club, implying they could easily afford the Premiership, and Mon would take them back there ans into being a major club.
So, where did they get all this money from when only a few years ago they where fighting bankruptcy.
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Tell you what I did find strange, the comment was made that Leicester are now a rich club, implying they could easily afford the Premiership, and Mon would take them back there ans into being a major club.
So, where did they get all this money from when only a few years ago they where fighting bankruptcy.
New billionaire owners!
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Tell you what I did find strange, the comment was made that Leicester are now a rich club, implying they could easily afford the Premiership, and Mon would take them back there ans into being a major club.
So, where did they get all this money from when only a few years ago they where fighting bankruptcy.
New billionaire owners!
I'll take 2 please.
They are welcome to him. He'll probably give Muzzy Izzet ｣80,000 a week but on the plus side maybe this is how we'll eventually get Emule and Beye off the wage bill.
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I think he will hold out for the England Gig.
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He had his sniff at that one, he won't even be considered until he has a good spell at a decent sized club , we were it for him and he blew it. He won't get a bigger job any time soon.
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I think he will hold out for the England Gig.
And me, and you know, I reckon there is every chance, its not a job for most managers and if nothing else Mon can be very much the diplomat, you can't fault him on that.
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I think he will hold out for the England Gig.
Good call, but I could see him showing up at Sunderland - potatohead can't last much longer after his appalling transfer business.
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Just like after Sven, the pendulum will swing back from a foreign manager and the FA will appoint an English manager. A Northern Irishman who has happened to have spent most of his life in English football will still not be English enough. It will be 'Arry.
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I think he will hold out for the England Gig.
And me, and you know, I reckon there is every chance, its not a job for most managers and if nothing else Mon can be very much the diplomat, you can't fault him on that.
He managed half the team. there have been several changes at the FA since he last got interviewed. Between him and Arry, problem is Arry is waiting trial.
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I expect he would get a mixed reception if he came back here with a new club but although i feel it was time for him to leave i would applaud him for doing a decent enough job here-he did ok but not great and wouldnt get the sort of welcome sir graham and big ron got in my view.
A mixed reception!!!! You must be joking.
If / when it happens, the fcuker will be crucified, he's not fit to be mentioned in the same terms of BFR or GT.
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Strong rumours on wearside that bruce is close to the bullet-as a sunderland fan i think o neill might be tempted by the challenge, he has often recounted his love for sunderland as a kid and he would have cash available up there and good support.
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Strong rumours on wearside that bruce is close to the bullet-as a sunderland fan i think o neill might be tempted by the challenge, he has often recounted his love for sunderland as a kid and he would have cash available up there and good support.
I think that's wishful thinking on Sunderland fans part. Hasn't Bruce just spent all the available transfer kitty? So not sure where this available cash is coming from.
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I don't know who is responsible for MON's PR but they must be very good.
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Does anyone give a flying fuck what the traitorous ****** does next. I wish the fellow no ill will he did ok for us but its time we all moved on.
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Fuck him.
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Craig Gardner (lifelong Mackem) wil be waiting to greet him with open arms no doubt.
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I think he will hold out for the England Gig.
And me, and you know, I reckon there is every chance, its not a job for most managers and if nothing else Mon can be very much the diplomat, you can't fault him on that.
Count me in too. After the way England struggled against Argentina at the weekend, it's just a matter of time before he takes over the national side.
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Do you think clubs are put off managers who have taken out legal action against their former employers? (a sort of unofficial blacklist)
Curbishley and O'Neill have decent records but seem to be overlooked by clubs who would have jumped at the chance of hiring them in the past.
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Do you think clubs are put off managers who have taken out legal action against their former employers? (a sort of unofficial blacklist)
Curbishley and O'Neill have decent records but seem to be overlooked by clubs who would have jumped at the chance of hiring them in the past.
If I was a chairman thinking of hiring either of those, that'd be the least of my worries.
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If he did get the England job and it went tits up what would his fan club in the national press have to say about it ?
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Strong rumours on wearside that bruce is close to the bullet-as a sunderland fan i think o neill might be tempted by the challenge, he has often recounted his love for sunderland as a kid and he would have cash available up there and good support.
Ironically, he might find out that Bruce has spent all the money.
I see that Inter are looking for a new manager. I wonder if Martin will apply?
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The days of mon playing carlos at right back and that old lump heskey coming on after 80 minutes seem like heaven compared to our current situation -to think some of us (myself included) wanted mon out because we werent happy with 6 th place -now we can only dream of such heights.
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The days of mon playing carlos at right back and that old lump heskey coming on after 80 minutes seem like heaven compared to our current situation -to think some of us (myself included) wanted mon out because we werent happy with 6 th place -now we can only dream of such heights.
Hate to be a complete U turner (as i was one that abcked Lerner 1000% when MON threw his toys out) But boy do i agree with your comment
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The days of mon playing carlos at right back and that old lump heskey coming on after 80 minutes seem like heaven compared to our current situation -to think some of us (myself included) wanted mon out because we werent happy with 6 th place -now we can only dream of such heights.
Hate to be a complete U turner (as i was one that abcked Lerner 1000% when MON threw his toys out) But boy do i agree with your comment
He also helped with the mess we have got ourselves into ..
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The days of mon playing carlos at right back and that old lump heskey coming on after 80 minutes seem like heaven compared to our current situation -to think some of us (myself included) wanted mon out because we werent happy with 6 th place -now we can only dream of such heights.
Hate to be a complete U turner (as i was one that abcked Lerner 1000% when MON threw his toys out) But boy do i agree with your comment
He also helped with the mess we have got ourselves into ..
True he helped get us in the mess but he also bought milner, downing and ash to the club who were not only great players to watch at their best but gained the club a huge profit in transfer fees-it wasnt all bad under mon and the bad things then look nothing to the situation we are in now.
The players performed for him in the main and id take top 6 now anyday compared to the position we face at present.
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True eastie and alot of shite which balances itself in the end , in the red in fact ..
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I thought MON won the Tribunal
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I wonder what kind of reference Randy would give him.
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The days of mon playing carlos at right back and that old lump heskey coming on after 80 minutes seem like heaven compared to our current situation -to think some of us (myself included) wanted mon out because we werent happy with 6 th place -now we can only dream of such heights.
Hate to be a complete U turner (as i was one that abcked Lerner 1000% when MON threw his toys out) But boy do i agree with your comment
He also helped with the mess we have got ourselves into ..
True he helped get us in the mess but he also bought milner, downing and ash to the club who were not only great players to watch at their best but gained the club a huge profit in transfer fees-
He spent a fair wedge to buy all three aswell, credit to Lerner for giving him those funds when many owners would have baulked. A pity he gave MON carte blanche to sign who he wanted and signed-off on wage demands for Beye and Heskey among other dross which have now left.
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The days of mon playing carlos at right back and that old lump heskey coming on after 80 minutes seem like heaven compared to our current situation -to think some of us (myself included) wanted mon out because we werent happy with 6 th place -now we can only dream of such heights.
Hate to be a complete U turner (as i was one that abcked Lerner 1000% when MON threw his toys out) But boy do i agree with your comment
There is no indication that McLeish has any of the nasty vindictiveness of the Poison Dwarf. Give him that credit at least.
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A lot of this can be said for almost every manager out there, signing players that are nothing but 2nd rate bench warmers, look at Mancini at Man City, yes you could use a spurious argument that Man City can afford it, but can they they way things are going in this world.
I thought MON's downfall was his inability in the transfer market, I also felt his lack of awareness in scouting talent was a problem, this aversion of not looking at anything beyond Dover, his refusal to take on a proper No 2 IMO was a very poor approach to the game and modern football.
Other than that good luck to him, I have no problem in what he achieved with Villa.
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I think he will struggle for a decent job to be honest. He definitely didn't realize how good he had it at Villa. His enormous ego clouding an ability to learn from his mistakes. Still a far better manager than the 3 that have followed him.
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The days of mon playing carlos at right back and that old lump heskey coming on after 80 minutes seem like heaven compared to our current situation -to think some of us (myself included) wanted mon out because we werent happy with 6 th place -now we can only dream of such heights.
Hate to be a complete U turner (as i was one that abcked Lerner 1000% when MON threw his toys out) But boy do i agree with your comment
He also helped with the mess we have got ourselves into ..
True he helped get us in the mess but he also bought milner, downing and ash to the club who were not only great players to watch at their best but gained the club a huge profit in transfer fees-it wasnt all bad under mon and the bad things then look nothing to the situation we are in now.
The players performed for him in the main and id take top 6 now anyday compared to the position we face at present.
If we carried on with Mon's system of management we would have gone bankrupt. He wasted a huge amount of money, Harewood, Routledge, Maloney, Beye, NRC, and served up ugly football with a team that cost premium prices plus extortionate wages for pretty much average players. He was a crap manager,as well as being an over hyped, egotistical self centred prat. I would be suprised if he ever works again, an average manager who was found out.
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I loved the football during MON's era. It was the first time since the early 90s that we actually had decent wingers.
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True he helped get us in the mess but he also bought milner, downing and ash to the club who were not only great players to watch at their best but gained the club a huge profit in transfer fees.
Unfortunately he also bought Beye, Davies, Cuellar, Shorey, Sidwell, Reo-Coker and Harewood for a combined ｣40m. These same players were sold (or for sale in Beye's and Cuellar's case) for approximately ｣5m, a net loss that more than eroded the profit we made on his good buys.
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His hit rate was pretty poor, and then the ages of some of the players compounded that.
As for the style of play, it was infuriating, and we often came away from games at home lamenting our inability to break teams down.
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well for all those who reckon he did such an ace job, it doesn't seem like many other chairman agree. 12 months, and all he's been offered is the west ham madhouse and a rumour of the Leicester job? Not much in a career progression there. Still think he'll end up north of the border at celtic again once he realises he's not as highly rated as he thinks he is, but who knows, he might still be hoping for the Liverpool job.
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The days of mon playing carlos at right back and that old lump heskey coming on after 80 minutes seem like heaven compared to our current situation -to think some of us (myself included) wanted mon out because we werent happy with 6 th place -now we can only dream of such heights.
Hate to be a complete U turner (as i was one that abcked Lerner 1000% when MON threw his toys out) But boy do i agree with your comment
He also helped with the mess we have got ourselves into ..
True he helped get us in the mess but he also bought milner, downing and ash to the club who were not only great players to watch at their best but gained the club a huge profit in transfer fees-it wasnt all bad under mon and the bad things then look nothing to the situation we are in now.
The players performed for him in the main and id take top 6 now anyday compared to the position we face at present.
If we carried on with Mon's system of management we would have gone bankrupt. He wasted a huge amount of money, Harewood, Routledge, Maloney, Beye, NRC, and served up ugly football with a team that cost premium prices plus extortionate wages for pretty much average players. He was a crap manager,as well as being an over hyped, egotistical self centred prat. I would be suprised if he ever works again, an average manager who was found out.
Spot on.
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None of the big 4/5 will touch MON with a bargepole
nearly bankrupted us and got us to errr 6th
About a year ago someone asked on a man ure forum what they thought of MON as their next manager
The nicest response was that they were going to burn their season tickets
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As someone who has thought for ages that we didn't ever play that well or attractively under MON with a few notable exceptions and whose brand of football I found singularly unappealing a lot of the time (though the results meant I conveniently also didn't mind a lot of the time), I don't see such a huge difference between how we play now (first half yesterday excepted) and how we often played before. There is a difference, I don't deny that, but it isn't a yawning chasm. Coouple of seasons ago, we might have won a game like the one yesterday based on having a bit more individual flare but I can't truthfully say the overall pattern of the game would have been that different....
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well for all those who reckon he did such an ace job, it doesn't seem like many other chairman agree. 12 months, and all he's been offered is the west ham madhouse and a rumour of the Leicester job? Not much in a career progression there. Still think he'll end up north of the border at celtic again once he realises he's not as highly rated as he thinks he is, but who knows, he might still be hoping for the Liverpool job.
That has to be the 'proof of the pudding' so to speak...
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I don't blame O Neill for the current financial mess. He's not the one responsible for signing the cheques and balancing the books. Granted he signed dross like Beye and Sidwell, but Randy's complete lack of footballing knowledge and how to run a club has contributed to the situation now. With better people working with him and better management of cash to perhaps bankroll O Neills targets more selectively, then we might have more in the pot currently for McLeish. As it is he gave O Neill a level of control only a select few managers have, and in some cases (Fergie) have taken years to earn and spunked away more money than this club should have been outlaying. Now we've sold Milner, Downing and Young for a lot of money to cover the cost of Martins outleighs as well as Houlliers one big extravagance in Bent. In truth the threat of the cost of relegation was probably the major factor in signing Bent for Randy. Spend 24mill to keep us up, or potentially go under in the championship.
Despite the circumstances of his leaving and some dire football (though Barca-esque to what we play at the moment and last season), I miss O Neill. Apart from anything else we overachieved and we actually threatened the big boys, which is largely to his credit.