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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: andyaston on September 05, 2011, 11:10:11 AM
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Typically, in recent times we seem to be finishing matches at about 5 to 5 on a saturday. I know that probably don't mean much to most people but, when I first went to Villa Park in the 80s and we were winning by a goal in the later stages I, used to wish the clock on the Witton lane to hurry on to 20 to 5.
We seem to be spending longer at football games. Do you think officials are adding too long on during a game or,were refs too quick to blow for full time before the implentation of the time added on board?
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Havnt they extended the half time break ??
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Hmmmm, 90 mins plus 15 mins of half time, 15:00hrs Kick Off...
To be fair games tend to kick off a couple of minutes late, and say 1 min added at the end of the 1st half, and 3 at the end of the 2nd, that's 16:50....
So either games used to last less time or your memory is playing tricks on you...or did half time only last 10 mins?
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In the days of yore half time was only 10 mins and I don't think there was any set rule about time added on. I know refs used to gesture at their watch if time wasting was going on but very few if any added several minutes on to a game.
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I vividly remember in 1993 I'd left VP, walked to the Birchfield Road, boarded a crowded 51 bus to Walsall, queued through the Scott Arms as normal, then just as we crossed the M6 Manure scored that bloody shitty goal where Nigel Worthington stood on the line like a lemon. Still gets my goat now.
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In fairness, last season they finally seemed to start adding on the appropriate amount of added time. It used to only be Man United at the Theatre of Vomit who would get 5 minutes, and now everyone is getting about that amount quite regularly which, if you add it up during the game, is probably right.
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Sufficiently long in the tooth to remember, I recall that it was definitely a ten minute half time break in days of yore, added to the fact that any overtime was completely in the head of the ref, there being absolutely no indication of how much he may or may not have added on. Twenty to five was definitely the official end time of games (and they all used to be played on Saturdays and they all kicked off at 3pm, but maybe that's another thread).
Nowadays games can last a good ten minutes longer than that, given the fact that even the 15 minute half time is sometimes slightly extended, and a heft eight minutes or so is quite common to be added on to the actual playing time (2 or 3 minutes at half time is not uncommon, and another four or even five in the second half depending on subs, injuries and timewasting, although I think the last one still needs to be more rigorously punished.
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They never used to add 30 seconds for each substitution, players never rolled around in agony for ages either.
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I vividly remember in 1993 I'd left VP, walked to the Birchfield Road, boarded a crowded 51 bus to Walsall, queued through the Scott Arms as normal, then just as we crossed the M6 Manure scored that bloody shitty goal where Nigel Worthington stood on the line like a lemon. Still gets my goat now.
8 minutes added time.
I also remember the 4.40 final whistle, hear the announcement of the Rags defeat, big cheer followed by the walk back to Tame Road, car radio on and all in good time to hear magical sound of Sports Report.
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That's the changing face of football you never know when you are leaving.
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Hmmmm, 90 mins plus 15 mins of half time, 15:00hrs Kick Off...
To be fair games tend to kick off a couple of minutes late, and say 1 min added at the end of the 1st half, and 3 at the end of the 2nd, that's 16:50....
So either games used to last less time or your memory is playing tricks on you...or did half time only last 10 mins?
Yes I remember the 10 minute half times and players coming back on at 3.55. But, 5 minutes would not account for games finishing as late as many do at present.
I think the refs performances are under the microscope more today and they are adding on more time than they used to.
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Sufficiently long in the tooth to remember, I recall that it was definitely a ten minute half time break in days of yore, added to the fact that any overtime was completely in the head of the ref, there being absolutely no indication of how much he may or may not have added on. Twenty to five was definitely the official end time of games (and they all used to be played on Saturdays and they all kicked off at 3pm, but maybe that's another thread).
Nowadays games can last a good ten minutes longer than that, given the fact that even the 15 minute half time is sometimes slightly extended, and a heft eight minutes or so is quite common to be added on to the actual playing time (2 or 3 minutes at half time is not uncommon, and another four or even five in the second half depending on subs, injuries and timewasting, although I think the last one still needs to be more rigorously punished.
Yes, thats what I think, refs just used to play it by ear come the 90 minutes. A goal kick and a little passage of play later and that would be full time.
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also why is it that there tends to be much more time added on at the end of the second half that at the end of the first half?
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I usually find it's 1 minute in the first half and 4 in the second unless your Man U and then its 3 in the first half and 9 in the second unless they are winning of course
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also why is it that there tends to be much more time added on at the end of the second half that at the end of the first half?
Its normally 30 seconds per sub and 30 seconds per goal or something similar
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I usually find it's 1 minute in the first half and 4 in the second
exactly, but why?
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I usually find it's 1 minute in the first half and 4 in the second
exactly, but why?
30 seconds is added for each substitution, there's usually about 4 per game and the ref's are wised up to time wasting.
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Don't forget that when we won the league (for example) the notion of 3 subs, tactical substitutions in the last minute to take the sting out of the game, rolling around for 20 seconds after each foul were not known. In addition, we were only allowed one sub per game so in all there probably really were only 1-2 minutes added on per game.
I used to count on being back at the Crown & Cushion for 5pm on Saturdays, 9.30pm for midweek games.
As for today's games and the different amount of stoppage time in the second half compared to the first, I think that as players tire and defend a result close to full time then there are more mistimed tackles and professional fouls leading to treatment (justified or not) and cards. Plus those pointless last minute substitutions - Mellberg v the Blues in 2008 being a very rare exception, of course.
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I guess the second half thing is down to more subs and more goals.
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There are plenty of reasons why games finish later now.
If the game's televised, they will often start a couple of minutes late to squeeze in an extra advert or two. We have fifteen rather than ten minutes at half-time. There are lots more substitutions than there used to be. The game is more stop-start now as many free-kicks are awarded that wouldn't have been classed as fouls years ago. Plus there are more bookings now and each yellow card is met with at least sixty seconds of histrionics. The backpass rule probably adds on time too. While in the old days teams would tediously pass the ball back the ball would still be "in play". Now, probably about half of all passbacks end up with the keeper slicing the ball into the stand which means extra stoppages. Injuries, especially head injuries, are taken a lot more seriously now. And of course there is the rule that whenever Manure aren't winning, an extra three hours must be added.
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There are plenty of reasons why games finish later now.
If the game's televised, they will often start a couple of minutes late to squeeze in an extra advert or two. We have fifteen rather than ten minutes at half-time. There are lots more substitutions than there used to be. The game is more stop-start now as many free-kicks are awarded that wouldn't have been classed as fouls years ago. Plus there are more bookings now and each yellow card is met with at least sixty seconds of histrionics. The backpass rule probably adds on time too. While in the old days teams would tediously pass the ball back the ball would still be "in play". Now, probably about half of all passbacks end up with the keeper slicing the ball into the stand which means extra stoppages. Injuries, especially head injuries, are taken a lot more seriously now. And of course there is the rule that whenever Manure aren't winning, an extra three hours must be added.
Excellent post......very good and all good points
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You're too kind. :-)
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I would have the first half set at 45 mins, and then add all the first and second half added time to the end of the 2nd half.
That way both halfs will kick off at the same time and make the en of the game a bit mor exciting
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I would have the first half set at 45 mins, and then add all the first and second half added time to the end of the 2nd half.
That way both halfs will kick off at the same time and make the en of the game a bit mor exciting
That's the last thing Villa want. We very rarely finish a game on top. Anyway, it would be slightly unfair, especially at very low levels. If it was blowing a gale or the pitch sloped in one direction the team kicking with the wind or down the slope in the second half would have a massive advantage.
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Yes it was always at 4.40 finish, and for night games it would be a 9.10 finish and I'd be home for "Sportsnight with Coleman" at 10.
That's until the Premier League started and it was realised that 15 minute half-time intervals meant more money being spent on food and drink.
Time only used to be added for injuries back in the day - but even with a serious injury it would only be about a minute before the player was dragged over the touchline out the way so the game could carry on!
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I would have the first half set at 45 mins, and then add all the first and second half added time to the end of the 2nd half.
That way both halfs will kick off at the same time and make the en of the game a bit mor exciting
That's the last thing Villa want. We very rarely finish a game on top. Anyway, it would be slightly unfair, especially at very low levels. If it was blowing a gale or the pitch sloped in one direction the team kicking with the wind or down the slope in the second half would have a massive advantage.
Thats about right. Why is it that Villa are always crap in the last 10 mintes of a match?
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I would have the first half set at 45 mins, and then add all the first and second half added time to the end of the 2nd half.
That way both halfs will kick off at the same time and make the en of the game a bit mor exciting
One minor point you are missing here, and that is both halves must be 45mins, if you idea was implimented, then the 2nd half would be longer!
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I would have the first half set at 45 mins, and then add all the first and second half added time to the end of the 2nd half.
That way both halfs will kick off at the same time and make the en of the game a bit mor exciting
That's the last thing Villa want. We very rarely finish a game on top. Anyway, it would be slightly unfair, especially at very low levels. If it was blowing a gale or the pitch sloped in one direction the team kicking with the wind or down the slope in the second half would have a massive advantage.
Thats about right. Why is it that Villa are always crap in the last 10 mintes of a match?
A small squad means we tire. We also rarely rotate meaning the subs are worse than the first team and we don't have "impact" subs. Plus we have no bottle when teams like Manure start going for us. You can see the fear in the players' (and fans') eyes.
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That's the changing face of football you never know when you are leaving.
...and you never know when they are starting ..
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I usually find it's 1 minute in the first half and 4 in the second unless your Man U and then its 3 in the first half and 9 in the second unless they are winning of course
No however long it takes them to score an equaliser or winner.
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Games kick off about a minute late at 3.01 due to TV company requirement somewhere in the world. There is usually 2 minutes added at the end of first half. That means halftime whistle is at 3.48. 15 minutes og HT break and another minutes delay in kick off takes us to 4.04. 45 mins of second half and 4 mins of injury time takes us to 5.53. All PL games now end between 4.50 and 4.55.
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Games kick off about a minute late at 3.01 due to TV company requirement somewhere in the world. There is usually 2 minutes added at the end of first half. That means halftime whistle is at 3.48. 15 minutes og HT break and another minutes delay in kick off takes us to 4.04. 45 mins of second half and 4 mins of injury time takes us to 5.53. All PL games now end between 4.50 and 4.55.
You forgot, that only applies at Old Trafford.
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I can never understand why the refs always wait for a free kick to be taken before they blow up. It was always the case, and I don't think it's changed, that time is not added on for free-kicks, throw-ins etc (unless deliberate time-wasting is involved) apart from for a penaltyy