Heroes & Villains, the Aston Villa fanzine
Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: IFWaters on July 28, 2011, 09:47:12 PM
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This post is going to seem like a 2008 throwback but what would you do about the North Stand ?
I think its an embarrassment, a carbuncle on the face of an ol friend if you like. I would personally prefer us to knock it down and build a 'corners filled in' cheap as chips single decker with a capacity about 5,000 higher than now and make it a cheap as chips stand for families, bargain basement and local residents (within 2 miles of the stadium). All season tickets under £400. A new club shop and Villa Museum under it. It doesnt have to be fancy just not ugly like now. I know you'll all say "but we cant fill the current one" but I think we are missing loads of opportunity to sell cheap seats.
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Give the back of it a bloody good scrub and leave the development for another day when we've got money to spunk on a new stand. Would much rather see the money go on Scott Parker instead.
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Knock it down into a big sloping pile, terrace it albeit with seats to comply with current regulations. But put a load of soil along the top at the back behind the seats, maybe get a pile of turf from B & Q garden centre and just let it grow.
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I was on the Villa Park Tour the other week (belated 40th birthday treat) and they mentioned that there could be some development of the North Stand at the end of this season.
They cited this as one of the reasons why we aren't hosting any football matches in the Olympics as we couldn't guarantee the Olympic Committee that the pitch/stadium would be ready
Not sure how much truth there is in this but thought it worth sharing
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Swap it for Scott Dann and ship it brick by brick to the Sty.
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It's been 11 summers since the destruction of the Trinity...the longest period of inactivity in modernising Villa Park?
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I think we should knock it down and build a bigger version of Holte End with extra facilitates like museum, as there is no road cutting through the corner. Then it could be awesome.
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I think we should knock it down and build a bigger version of Holte End with extra facilitates like museum, as there is no road cutting through the corner. Then it could be awesome.
And bankrupt us.
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It's been 11 summers since the destruction of the Trinity...the longest period of inactivity in modernising Villa Park?
Hasn't there been a lot of work done in modernising the restaurants and the Holte pub? And BM of course, but just at VP there's been a fair amount of upgrading.
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Only do it when time and budget is available. Not today.
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B&Q ,paint brushes,few cans Of Dulux job done!!!
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lick of paint for the back as it looks crap but leave it alone otherwise.
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Swap it for Scott Dann and ship it brick by brick to the Sty.
Why would a football club that will be unable to fulfill all their fixtures next season want another stand? Maybe we could go to the bankrupcy auction and see if we could make one half decent stand out of their four instead?
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If the plan is still to develop it in the near future, now is the time to do it. A lot of builders/construction companies scratching around for work.
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Only do it when time and budget is available. Not today.
never then.
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Let's get it right on the pitch first and once we fill our ground often enough then think about expansion.
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I like it. It's all that's left of the Villa Park that I first knew in the late 1970's. That said it does need replacing but not yet. As others have already posted, we need to get matters right on the pitch first.
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I don't care what they do to it as long as they put the screen back between the North Stand and the Witton Lane Stand.
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Let's get it right on the pitch first and once we fill our ground often enough then think about expansion.
I agree.
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I don't want the corners filled in, I think its great the way it is personally.
Get the team right, i'd rather see the money spent on players. we cant fill the ground anyway!
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We don't fill the normal seats, we don't fill the corporate seats, we are selling players to fund the day to day operations of the club, so spending millions on a new stand might not be the best idea at the moment.
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I sit in the North Stand and it's okay.
Think we have more pressing issues to worry about plus what's the point in increasing the capacity when we sold out once last season?
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Let's get it right on the pitch first and once we fill our ground often enough then think about expansion.
I agree.
How long will we be waiting to "get it right on the pitch"???
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Probably the ugliest stand in the league and if it wasn't for the club offices being there I'm sure Randy would have had it bulldozed by now.
Reducing it to a pile of rubble and letting grass and weeds grow on top of the mound would at least improve it for the time being until we win the Champions League and can afford to put something decent there.
Whenever we do replace it we have to name it the Witton End again.
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Give the back of it a bloody good scrub and leave the development for another day.
I'd go for this. Rename it the Witton End aswell.
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Let's get it right on the pitch first and once we fill our ground often enough then think about expansion.
I agree.
Build it now. If we wait till we "get it right on the pitch", it'll never be built.
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It's been 11 summers since the destruction of the Trinity...the longest period of inactivity in modernising Villa Park?
I meant specific to the seating/capacity.
Hasn't there been a lot of work done in modernising the restaurants and the Holte pub? And BM of course, but just at VP there's been a fair amount of upgrading.
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It's been 11 summers since the destruction of the Trinity...the longest period of inactivity in modernising Villa Park?
I meant specific to the seating/capacity.
Hasn't there been a lot of work done in modernising the restaurants and the Holte pub? And BM of course, but just at VP there's been a fair amount of upgrading.
But in the grand scheme of things a pub means nothing. Re-building the North Stand would be a statement of intent.
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Give the back of it a bloody good scrub and leave the development for another day when we've got money to spunk on a new stand. Would much rather see the money go on Scott Parker instead.
What he said, Im a season ticket holder in the North stand and I know people moan about the facilites but for me i get to sit/stand watching the villa and a pint at half-time im not really fussed what its like unless we had money to burn which we dont
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Give the back of it a bloody good scrub and leave the development for another day when we've got money to spunk on a new stand. Would much rather see the money go on Scott Parker instead.
What he said, Im a season ticket holder in the North stand and I know people moan about the facilites but for me i get to sit/stand watching the villa and a pint at half-time im not really fussed what its like unless we had money to burn which we dont
With respect mate if we all thought like that we'd still be treated like cattle whilst watch the match without a roof over our heads.
We have to move with the times. The North Stand needs to be re-built.
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im sensing some negativity here
we could just knock it down and fill the rest of the ground.
then build a Tescos on it
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im sensing some negativity here
we could just knock it down and fill the rest of the ground.
then build a Tescos on it
or a Casino
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I think we should knock it down and build a bigger version of Holte End with extra facilitates like museum, as there is no road cutting through the corner. Then it could be awesome.
That's what I reckon. Long range vision: The North Stand is a mirror image of the Holte End and Witton Lane is a mirror image of the Trinity.
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On another forum the General said that they were still mulling over designs and were even thinking of laying a practice pitch on the spare land at the north end of the ground. Whatever we do, surely we could get Genting to get involved and help us to work on revenue streams the new facility could generate?
Compared to the likes of Liverpool, Spurs, Everton, etc. we are in an incredibly fortunate position in that we don't need to relocate/completely rebuild in order to significantly increase our capacity. My view would be that we get started now on rebuilding that end and making our facilities top notch, it would be a real statement of intent and it would give us a head start on those clubs around us.
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Give the back of it a bloody good scrub and leave the development for another day.
I'd go for this. Rename it the Witton End aswell.
Ron Saunders stand ?
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Have an open day when villa fans can bring a tin of paint to do it up ;D
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Each time I see it on TV it looks horrendous, it's far too old and we need a new stand built.
Maybe we could build just a 1-tier stand and have the corners filled in around the Doug Ellis Stand and Trinity Road Stand... that would look good and would probably make the atmosphere better.
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The North Stand used to look so impressive when I first started following villa just before the development of the new Holte End. But it looks hideous next to the new Trinity and it would be great to replace it with something that pays tribute to Villa Park's heritage.
However, would we fill it? Could we afford it? A rebuild could be a catalyst for a new era with cheap tickets and full stadium or it could see us stagnate as transfer funds are directed to the stand's construction. Tough call.
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North Stand does need at least a lick of paint, but I'm sure RL must be thinking why invest in the North Stand when we dont fill the ground at the moment anyway. Wouldnt surprise me if this put on the back burner for a few seasons, so the least they could do is give us our screen back.
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im sensing some negativity here
we could just knock it down and fill the rest of the ground.
then build a Tescos on it
There is tesco with 3 minutes walking distance. So it is not needed.
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However, would we fill it? Could we afford it? A rebuild could be a catalyst for a new era with cheap tickets and full stadium or it could see us stagnate as transfer funds are directed to the stand's construction. Tough call.
It isn't really though, we just need to go back 30-odd years and look at what happened the last time we built a stand that we couldn't afford (even though redeveloping back then was a necessity, unlike today). We paid the price a few years later and the team suffered as a result.
I think we'd be mad to knock it down personally. Besides, I really like it.
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It's tired, it's had it's day and I'll be glad to see the back of it.
The entrance is an eye sore, like something you'd expect to see in Poland or the old East Germany. Anytime interviews or vox pops are conducted with that (or the equally hideous Villa Village) as a backdrop I cringe.
I'd be all for ripping it down yesterday -and whatever form the replacement takes, I hope they learn from the mistakes of that stand. It looked dated after about 20 years - the Trinity still looked impeccable after 80.
I'm just not sure we can justify the cost or any real notions of expansion at present. If ever they were going to do it, it would have been when we looked like we were on the up around 2007/08. A lot of water has passed under the bridge since then.
Of course, the likes of Citeh and Slumberland boosted capacity when they weren't regularly selling out at the time (though in their case it was via completely new venues) so there is that argument. And building costs will most likely be cheaper now than say in 5/10+ years.
But given a choice, I'd rather see money invested in the team. I know it shouldn't necessarily be one or t'other. But it usually is.
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Does anyone know whether our corporate facilities are sold out on match days?
Whilst a bigger total attendance might not be viable an extra restaurant/museum and shop could generate enough cash to make the redevelopment viable.
Just moving the villa village would free up enough space sell off/lease that area of our land to a tesco/pertol station or whatever.
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I probably still have the drawings gathering dust and mouse shit in my loft of the scheme the firm I worked for prepared for the site. I have mentioned before that it was a low budget hotel on the side facing away from the pitch and seating on the pitch side.
When it gets done it will almost certainly be multi use and in my opinion it could work well. A developer would need a much more bullish economy than that which we are going through presently to get such a project built so I think the make over option for now is the wise move with a big push when the economic pendulum swings back to the position which has the money men rushing forward not running away.
In passing, a spur road giving direct access to the motorway system would very substantially increase the land value. In Randy's position I would be quietly buying any bits of land between VP and the motorway or alternatively swapping a share of the action for the available land.
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im sensing some negativity here
we could just knock it down and fill the rest of the ground.
then build a Tescos on it
There is tesco with 3 minutes walking distance. So it is not needed.
Sainsbury's ?
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im sensing some negativity here
we could just knock it down and fill the rest of the ground.
then build a Tescos on it
There is tesco with 3 minutes walking distance. So it is not needed.
Sainsbury's ?
In Aston? Maybe a Lidl.
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I probably still have the drawings gathering dust and mouse shit in my loft of the scheme the firm I worked for prepared for the site. I have mentioned before that it was a low budget hotel on the side facing away from the pitch and seating on the pitch side.
When it gets done it will almost certainly be multi use and in my opinion it could work well. A developer would need a much more bullish economy than that which we are going through presently to get such a project built so I think the make over option for now is the wise move with a big push when the economic pendulum swings back to the position which has the money men rushing forward not running away.
In passing, a spur road giving direct access to the motorway system would very substantially increase the land value. In Randy's position I would be quietly buying any bits of land between VP and the motorway or alternatively swapping a share of the action for the available land.
A hotel at Villa Park? I'll have to take my wife. I've always wanted to score at Villa Park ;-)
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I don't care what they do to it as long as they put the screen back between the North Stand and the Witton Lane Stand.
What she said!
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I don't care what they do to it as long as they put the screen back between the North Stand and the Witton Lane Stand.
Ditto.
Well, for the foreseeable future anyway.
What she said!
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knock down the log flu..i mean the trinity and rebuild it like it was orginally going to be. Knock down the Ellis, knock down the north stand. Its a start......