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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Fergal on July 15, 2011, 07:29:25 AM
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A couple of questions about Emile.
1. How much has it cost per goal?
2. Why did MoN put him on such a high wage.
3. is there another Premiership club out there stupid enough to take him off our hands?
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Maybe someone will take him off our hands but only if we pay them.
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1. A bloody fortune
2. Because he put everyone he signed on high wages
3 Are you Joking?
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Controversial statement but I thought he was excellent up until he got injured last season. We'd get no fee for him and have already lost a lot of experience. I'd keep him unless we are clearing the way for a really top striker
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Controversial statement but I thought he was excellent up until he got injured last season. We'd get no fee for him and have already lost a lot of experience. I'd keep him unless we are clearing the way for a really top striker
As John mac once said 'you cannot be serious'.
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Controversial statement but I thought he was excellent up until he got injured last season. We'd get no fee for him and have already lost a lot of experience. I'd keep him unless we are clearing the way for a really top striker
As John mac once said 'you cannot be serious'.
i too thought he was excellent till he got injured, it was a shame it was for about 6 games and then back to the labouring lump he has been since coming here!
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No sell on fee maybe but we'd save £65000 a week on his wages making over £3m a year.
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What's happened to the Leicester interest, they can afford him now.
Maybe he isn't deemed good enough ?
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1. Probably A (daylight) Robbery (figure).
2. He was deployed as a defensive striker, an unique position in football.
3. Don't think so.
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He's been here 30 months.
He's scored 14 goals.
If he's on 65k a week, that is £288,600 a month when you factor in NI.
288,600 * 30 = £8,658,000
Throw on top of that his transfer fee of £3,500,000 and that makes his cost £12,158,000
This equates to £868,428 per goal.
In actual fact, those figures re the cost will lower than the actual figure as he'll no doubt have received signing on money, win bonuses etc etc etc.
Assuming he sits out the final year of his contract, peacefully grazing on a patch of grass at BMH, that will be another £3,463,000 in salary costs, which will bring his total cost to £15,621,200 plus whatever he has cost in other payments.
Amazing bit of business, that.
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Fuck. That is bad.
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He was 10 times better under Houllier than O'Neill, but kept getting injured last season.
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What's happened to the Leicester interest, they can afford him now.
Maybe he isn't deemed good enough ?
The problem is wages
If he's got 18 months left at 50k per week, why go to leicester for 20k
Same with beye
1 year left a 42K per week so that was 8 million well spent
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But he's great at holding the ball up.
Loved being at Molineux when he scored the winner.
(http://www.whoateallthepies.tv/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/PA-Photos_t_Best-Premier-League-photos-September-2010-2709v.jpg)
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Heskey was the man to fire us in to the Champions League, remember?
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Heskey is a blue nose fucking donkey. Always has been always will be.
We should have made Mon take him with
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What's happened to the Leicester interest, they can afford him now.
Maybe he isn't deemed good enough ?
The problem is wages
If he's got 18 months left at 50k per week, why go to leicester for 20k
The difference of £30k a week over 18 months is £2.34m, so that's what he'd lose out on. If we got say £1m for him and used that to give him a golden handshake, would he go for it?
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I dont reckon he would John
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if it was leicester maybe , as they are his hometown club and i think hed go back there -also i reckon they will be good bet for promotion although if he returns , maybe not.
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Then pay him the rest aswell. Net of the incoming fee we'd be paying £1.34m to see the back of him, but that's better than the £3.9m the remainder of his contract would cost us - a saving of around £2.5m.
Unless McLeish sees a use for him, why not?
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I remember when this place exploded when he did this............
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I dont reckon he would John
It depends what kind of contract they're offering him.
If it is 12 months, then of course he won't, hometown club or not, he won't spunk money away like that.
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if they offered him 2 seasons it would still probably be less than we he gets here.
16 million in total
Fuck me thanks for the memories ivanhoe
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He's been here 30 months.
He's scored 14 goals.
If he's on 65k a week, that is £288,600 a month when you factor in NI.
288,600 * 30 = £8,658,000
Throw on top of that his transfer fee of £3,500,000 and that makes his cost £12,158,000
This equates to £868,428 per goal.
In actual fact, those figures re the cost will lower than the actual figure as he'll no doubt have received signing on money, win bonuses etc etc etc.
Assuming he sits out the final year of his contract, peacefully grazing on a patch of grass at BMH, that will be another £3,463,000 in salary costs, which will bring his total cost to £15,621,200 plus whatever he has cost in other payments.
Amazing bit of business, that.
Doug would never have allowed it.
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He's been here 30 months.
He's scored 14 goals.
If he's on 65k a week, that is £288,600 a month when you factor in NI.
288,600 * 30 = £8,658,000
Throw on top of that his transfer fee of £3,500,000 and that makes his cost £12,158,000
This equates to £868,428 per goal.
In actual fact, those figures re the cost will lower than the actual figure as he'll no doubt have received signing on money, win bonuses etc etc etc.
Assuming he sits out the final year of his contract, peacefully grazing on a patch of grass at BMH, that will be another £3,463,000 in salary costs, which will bring his total cost to £15,621,200 plus whatever he has cost in other payments.
Amazing bit of business, that.
Doug would never have allowed it.
Part of me wants to shout at Randy for allowing it, as the person who signs the cheques, but the fact is, if he had not allowed it, had he said "not at that age and those wages", at that time he'd have been slaughtered for not supporting the manager.
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Baffling purchase at the time, still baffling now. I can only think he was a panic buy as no rational person would be searching for a guy to score the goals to fire us into the CL and end up at Heskey's door. Mebbe MON knew as much about centre forwards as he did about centre halfs.
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Part of me wants to shout at Randy for allowing it, as the person who signs the cheques, but the fact is, if he had not allowed it, had he said "not at that age and those wages", at that time he'd have been slaughtered for not supporting the manager.
If it was any other player, and Randy had said no, then it's possible another Juninho-type scenario may have occurred, but this is Emile Heskey we're talking about - nobody wanted him.
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Baffling purchase at the time, still baffling now. I can only think he was a panic buy as no rational person would be searching for a guy to score the goals to fire us into the CL and end up at Heskey's door. Mebbe MON knew as much about centre forwards as he did about centre halfs.
I thought maybe it'd maybe, *maybe* make sense if we needed back up for Carew, in terms of a "similar" (ie physically powerful) player.
Those sort of wages to a player that old on that long a contract, though. Christ.
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Part of me wants to shout at Randy for allowing it, as the person who signs the cheques, but the fact is, if he had not allowed it, had he said "not at that age and those wages", at that time he'd have been slaughtered for not supporting the manager.
If it was any other player, and Randy had said no, then it's possible another Juninho-type scenario may have occurred, but this is Emile Heskey we're talking about - nobody wanted him.
Except the manager.
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Baffling purchase at the time, still baffling now. I can only think he was a panic buy as no rational person would be searching for a guy to score the goals to fire us into the CL and end up at Heskey's door. Mebbe MON knew as much about centre forwards as he did about centre halfs.
MON really did make some awful choices when it came to signing players; god knows how we ever ended up getting Ashley Young.
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Part of me wants to shout at Randy for allowing it, as the person who signs the cheques, but the fact is, if he had not allowed it, had he said "not at that age and those wages", at that time he'd have been slaughtered for not supporting the manager.
If it was any other player, and Randy had said no, then it's possible another Juninho-type scenario may have occurred, but this is Emile Heskey we're talking about - nobody wanted him.
Except the manager.
Well that much is obvious., and it's apparent that the same manager had little regard for the long term cost to the club of his bizarre transfer/salary policy. My view is that Randy called a halt to the indiscriminate spending about 18 months late.
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Joe Cole (Free, £100k wags, 2 goals), Jovanovic (Free,90k, 0), Aquilani(£20m, 80k, 2), Konchesky (£3m, £50k, 0), Poulson(£4.5m, £50k, 0)
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Baffling purchase at the time, still baffling now. I can only think he was a panic buy as no rational person would be searching for a guy to score the goals to fire us into the CL and end up at Heskey's door. Mebbe MON knew as much about centre forwards as he did about centre halfs.
I thought maybe it'd maybe, *maybe* make sense if we needed back up for Carew, in terms of a "similar" (ie physically powerful) player.
Those sort of wages to a player that old on that long a contract, though. Christ.
mebbe but at the time most people seemd to think we needed a striker who was gonna come in and keeps us ahead of Arsenal. They got arseshaving, we got Heskey and the rest as they say is history...
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Quite. Bent would have guaranteed us Champions League at that stage. What a shame.
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Quite. Bent would have guaranteed us Champions League at that stage. What a shame.
Bent wasn't **censored** with Potatohead's daughter back then though.
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My view is that they came to the club without a clue about the game, and found themselves fortunate to have a highly regarded manager waiting to take over.
When said manager came in, he proved to be the type that runs everything from top to bottom, and for Lerner and co this was very much appreciated, as they themselves were pretty naive.
The flip side of that was that the manager asked them for lots of money to spend on players, and as they'd put their trust in him to run the club, and the whole world was telling them he was a great manager, they thought "well, why wouldn't we trust him", so did.
This happens even when, in 2008-9, he buys an entire defence (25m), then one year later, buys another entire defence (20m) because he's decided he doesn't like the one he bought the year before.
Oh, and in this same period that we're buying two defences, we sign Emile Heskey for 3.5m whilst Darren Bent goes to Sunderland for 10m. Still, they are still being told MON is a great manager and should be trusted, so they do so, hence why they we can't really pin the blame on them.
Fast forward a couple of years, and we've achieved decent results, but they're starting to notice that some of these contracts are somewhat generous, and that 88 percent of our turnover was going on wages. So, they ask said manager "can you please do some wheeling and dealing, move some players on, work on managing the wage bill a little".
Manager agrees, then does nothing about it. Gets asked again, realises that he's not going to be able to move some of them on quite so easily, realises that he's going to struggle to finish sixth again, realises that this is going to tarnish his own CV, changes his mind, abruptly fucks off.
Fast forward to now, and we're still spending over 100,000 pounds a week on salary just for Messrs Heskey and Beye, and we will continue to do so for the next 12 months.
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That's pretty much my view too. Shame the board let it carry on as long as it did though.
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That's pretty much my view too. Shame the board let it carry on as long as it did though.
Yes, but the entire world was telling them O'Neill was a genius. Much of the media are STILL telling all and sundry that O'Neill is a genius. It's easy to see why.
Since then, I think they've learned a lot about putting all your eggs in one basket as they did with him. The pity is that they don't really seem to have learned a great deal about the day to day management of a football club, which is why we seem to lurch around so amateurishly so frequently.
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He was 10 times better under Houllier than O'Neill, but kept getting injured last season.
He was spectaculary shit under Houllier so just think what levels of ineptitude and fuckwittery he displayed previously.
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That's pretty much my view too. Shame the board let it carry on as long as it did though.
Yes, but the entire world was telling them O'Neill was a genius. Much of the media are STILL telling all and sundry that O'Neill is a genius. It's easy to see why.
Since then, I think they've learned a lot about putting all your eggs in one basket as they did with him. The pity is that they don't really seem to have learned a great deal about the day to day management of a football club, which is why we seem to lurch around so amateurishly so frequently.
the entire world? I've told you a million times: don't exaggerate.
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Quite. Bent would have guaranteed us Champions League at that stage. What a shame.
Bent wasn't **censored** with Potatohead's daughter back then though.
No, but he was depressed and not getting a game at Spurs wasn't he?
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Quite. Bent would have guaranteed us Champions League at that stage. What a shame.
Overstating things possibly, and I'm not blaming Heskey himself, but his signing was the watershed moment that sent everything tits up. We needed goals, he didn't supply them, and his signing was probably the best example of paying a crap, old player far more than he was worth. I seem to remember that there was talk about Lerner wanting O'Neill to sell him before making any more money available, so he was also one of the causes of the breakdown between Lerner and O'Neill.
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Didn't Paul Faulkner take over responsibility for conducting transfer deals when he was appointed CEO?
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Be fair. Surely his assists would mitigate that £868k figure? Maybe get it down to about £850k...?
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Didn't Paul Faulkner take over responsibility for conducting transfer deals when he was appointed CEO?
To be fair, I think that's something you're convinced of, but for which we've no factual evidence.
Leaving that aside, I think there are enough sticks to beat him with anyway.
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Didn't Paul Faulkner take over responsibility for conducting transfer deals when he was appointed CEO?
To be fair, I think that's something you're convinced of, but for which we've no factual evidence.
Leaving that aside, I think there are enough sticks to beat him with anyway.
If I were convinced it would have been a statement rather than a question. It is something that was said at the start of last summer following his appointment but I've seen no convincing evidence either way.
If you don't know either, why are you posting this?
"...So, they ask said manager "can you please do some wheeling and dealing, move some players on, work on managing the wage bill a little".
Manager agrees, then does nothing about it. Gets asked again, realises that he's not going to be able to move some of them on quite so easily, realises that he's going to struggle to finish sixth again, realises that this is going to tarnish his own CV, changes his mind, abruptly fucks off."
Leaving that aside and the rest of your post is a typical "ooh look at the big numbers" without reference or comparison to any other club.
I posted a list of 5 players for whom Liverpool paid the best part of £30m, cost almost £20m per year in wages and have contributed 4 goals in total. Have Liverpool adopted a slash and burn strategy? No. Their new owners paid £300m to buy the club in October and have already invested approx. £50m net in transfer fees, which is as much as Randy Lerners investment in the squad since he got here.
Every team has players who don't contribute as much as was hoped, Heskey is one of ours.
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Run me through the Harewood deal.
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Didn't Paul Faulkner take over responsibility for conducting transfer deals when he was appointed CEO?
To be fair, I think that's something you're convinced of, but for which we've no factual evidence.
Leaving that aside, I think there are enough sticks to beat him with anyway.
If I were convinced it would have been a statement rather than a question. It is something that was said at the start of last summer following his appointment but I've seen no convincing evidence either way.
If you don't know either, why are you posting this?
You clearly missed the bit where I started the post by saying "My view is that ...."
You're right, it was something that was said at the start of last summer and since then too. By you.
And the reason I didn't refer to any other club, or any other player, is because I don't give a shit about other clubs, and the thread is about Emile Heskey.
Only you could manage to weigh into a thread and start suggesting that spunking those sums of money on a player as demonstrably shit (which could have turned out to be otherwise, but did not) and of that age (and even you'd accept he couldn't get any younger) is somehow "par for the course".
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It's interestingh how people start talking about MON's spending and then 5 minutes later Villadawg shows up. He must have a telephone that lights up when the thread starts like Batman in the TV series.
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A dreadful signing. Probably the worst of MON's reign as he was just the player we didn't need at the time. Changed the formation to 442 to fit him in with disastrous consequences. Typically unimaginative and lazy signing. Has nothing to add to AVFC now and same as Beye should be just paid off to leave
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Holy pisspants Batman, dont you see the plan? He is our new CB. Big guy, great in the air, can pass (much better than Cuellar) and there is absolutley no chance of him scoring an own goal. Plus he will finish the job and take Hendersons head clean off in December when we finish with 9 victorious playes in a 2-1 win against Liverpool in December. Warnocks career threatening injury will be well worth it seeing as Dowing ended up in the upper Holte.
In Heskeys defence, he is not MONs worst signing. At least he has scored goals. I have seen nothing to convince me that Sundaymondayhabibbeye even knows the basic principles of offside, tackling or tracking back
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I was really hoping Leicester and Sven would make a bid for him considering they're signing loads of other players but looks like we'll be lumbered with him for another season on the bench.
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Thank god someone made this thread. I have been waiting for years for someone to make a thread so we can all moan about what a bad signing he is and how he doesn't score goals.
Finally this important topic gets the airing it deserves.
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It's interestingh how people start talking about MON's spending and then 5 minutes later Villadawg shows up. He must have a telephone that lights up when the thread starts like Batman in the TV series.
My Bat Phone tends to be activated when people are talking bollocks about our finances. It just so happens to be that it is almost invariably cloaked in an illogical assessment of one or more aspects of O'Neill's tenure.
"Heskey hasn't been a good signing."
"True. All clubs have them, good clubs factor them in. "
"Yeah but it shows that O'Neill's a ****** and Lerner/Faulkner have done all that could possibly have been done...blah blah blah."
"No it doesn't and here are some examples of other clubs having the same issue but on a grander scale"
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A couple of questions about Emile.
1. How much has it cost per goal?
2. Why did MoN put him on such a high wage.
3. is there another Premiership club out there stupid enough to take him off our hands?
4. Why did we give him a three and a half year contract that will see him at Villa Park until he's 34?
As I pointed out yesterday, we were stupidly giving aging players very attractive, long term deals that would make it very hard to move them on, not to mention zero sell-on value. Only Everton seem to do likewise and we all know what a financial mess they are in.
Randy Lerner and Martin O'Neill need to hold their hands up for this mess. What were they thinking? Now Faulkner has to clear it up.
As for Heskey, it's very simple. We should never have signed him, at least not on those conditions. The same same goes for Beye. The same can be said for the extended contract of Petrov that will see him at the club for another two seasons. A combination of buying loyalty and utter naivity have left us in this situation.
AS I said yesterday, it's stupid contracts like these that restrict us from getting better players in, thus keeping our best players because we can't shift the deadwood.
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Thank god someone made this thread. I have been waiting for years for someone to make a thread so we can all moan about what a bad signing he is and how he doesn't score goals.
Finally this important topic gets the airing it deserves.
Could you possibly start a subject on something Villa related that hasn't been done to death then? Other than for a new signing, I think you'll struggle.
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What about something original like,
Was MON good for Villa??
I'll get me replica shirt......
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Spurs' wagebill. That's something we've never discussed.
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Dreadful, dreadful signing.
I agree with Pauliebentnuts posts on the previous page. They were until things really got out of hand wages wise reluctant to challenge MoN. A catch 22 for them.
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Cant we compare our wage bill against Liverpool? Fuck me, we think we have some deadwood to shift, take a look at the players on their books, and what some of them must be raking in (sorry "earning"). Deadwood?, its like Sherwood forest the day after Friar Tuck fell asleep instead of keeping an eye on his mead still.
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Apparently the problems left behind by MON ran much deeper than the wage bill (which the board must take the blame for anyway). By all accounts Houllier expected to enter a relatively healthy enviroment when he accepted the Villa job, but was shocked to discover a squad which he believed was rotten to the core: unprofessional seniors on excessive wages, some guaranteed a place in the starting eleven regardless of form or performance, others were barely used to training and had no interest in developing their game or improving their habits.
Depending on your views, maybe Houllier went to far in his desire to run a tight ship, but as time went by he became increasingly convinced that his number one priority -- apart from avoiding relegation -- had to be to change the philosophy at the club completely.
It'll be interesting to see what McLeish's take on things will be. I honestly don't know whether he's similar to MON or Houllier (but guessing that he's somewhere inbetween.
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Thank god someone made this thread. I have been waiting for years for someone to make a thread so we can all moan about what a bad signing he is and how he doesn't score goals.
Finally this important topic gets the airing it deserves.
If you really don't want to discuss it then don't get involved.
I was talking to a work mate on the way into the office this morning when he bought up the subject of Heskey. We were trying to work out the cost per goal of a few players, I remember him taking the piss out of me when MoN signed him.
How would his cost per goal stack up against Carew or even Bent, in the short time he has been with us?
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Thank god someone made this thread. I have been waiting for years for someone to make a thread so we can all moan about what a bad signing he is and how he doesn't score goals.
Finally this important topic gets the airing it deserves.
If you really don't want to discuss it then don't get involved.
I was talking to a work mate on the way into the office this morning when he bought up the subject of Heskey. We were trying to work out the cost per goal of a few players, I remember him taking the piss out of me when MoN signed him.
How would his cost per goal stack up against Carew or even Bent, in the short time he has been with us?
But it has been discussed to death, putting numbers and figures on it doesnt change much.
Als, it's not as if the Aston Villa signing of Emile Heskey was some sort of unique disaster in football transfers. It happens every club every season, where a player is signed for big bucks, put on big bucks and turns out a flop. Amount of money per goals tells you nothing you dont know already.
I wouldnt be surprised if Eck finds a use for him in the squad.
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I think Paulie's summary early in his thread is a clear and accurate assessment with such hard information as mere supporters are allowed to have. I would go further and say that it is my view that the Heskey debacle encapsulates the core of O'Neill's weakness and the glass ceiling which is sixth place in the Premiership is O'Neill's not Villa's.
As for Liverpool being used as a yardstick of probity their current spend is like the man in the wine bar buying champagne all round before going home to a letter box full of county court judgements. Liverpool are gambling wildly and recklessly in my opinion and if next tuesday Barack Obama cannot cobble a deal together with republicans to extend the limits on US borrowing and the United States defaults, US funding, our own included will be in very serious trouble. As one commentator put it it would make the 2008 banking crisis look like forgetting to pay the milkman.
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Thank god someone made this thread. I have been waiting for years for someone to make a thread so we can all moan about what a bad signing he is and how he doesn't score goals.
Finally this important topic gets the airing it deserves.
If you really don't want to discuss it then don't get involved.
I was talking to a work mate on the way into the office this morning when he bought up the subject of Heskey. We were trying to work out the cost per goal of a few players, I remember him taking the piss out of me when MoN signed him.
How would his cost per goal stack up against Carew or even Bent, in the short time he has been with us?
But it has been discussed to death, putting numbers and figures on it doesnt change much.
Als, it's not as if the Aston Villa signing of Emile Heskey was some sort of unique disaster in football transfers. It happens every club every season, where a player is signed for big bucks, put on big bucks and turns out a flop. Amount of money per goals tells you nothing you dont know already.
I wouldnt be surprised if Eck finds a use for him in the squad.
Not posted for a while but feel the need here, this is Heskey that is being discussed the entire planet was aware that he was exactly the kind of player we did not need, 'turns out to be flop' :-)
Google Emile Heskey's career.
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I think Paulie's summary early in his thread is a clear and accurate assessment with such hard information as mere supporters are allowed to have. I would go further and say that it is my view that the Heskey debacle encapsulates the core of O'Neill's weakness and the glass ceiling which is sixth place in the Premiership is O'Neill's not Villa's.
As for Liverpool being used as a yardstick of probity their current spend is like the man in the wine bar buying champagne all round before going home to a letter box full of county court judgements. Liverpool are gambling wildly and recklessly in my opinion and if next tuesday Barack Obama cannot cobble a deal together with republicans to extend the limits on US borrowing and the United States defaults, US funding, our own included will be in very serious trouble. As one commentator put it it would make the 2008 banking crisis look like forgetting to pay the milkman.
All of my life I have been hearing that the other big clubs who are spending more than this big club are reckless and will go bust.
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re spending, what if the money isn't there?
An Everton situation, if you like, they just don't have the money to spend. What should Kenwright do in that situation? Throw all his personal wealth at it? Borrow?
There must always be a point at which the well runs dry.
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I think Paulie's summary early in his thread is a clear and accurate assessment with such hard information as mere supporters are allowed to have. I would go further and say that it is my view that the Heskey debacle encapsulates the core of O'Neill's weakness and the glass ceiling which is sixth place in the Premiership is O'Neill's not Villa's.
As for Liverpool being used as a yardstick of probity their current spend is like the man in the wine bar buying champagne all round before going home to a letter box full of county court judgements. Liverpool are gambling wildly and recklessly in my opinion and if next tuesday Barack Obama cannot cobble a deal together with republicans to extend the limits on US borrowing and the United States defaults, US funding, our own included will be in very serious trouble. As one commentator put it it would make the 2008 banking crisis look like forgetting to pay the milkman.
All of my life I have been hearing that the other big clubs who are spending more than this big club are reckless and will go bust.
The thing is Dawg if your going to spend money and be reckless!! Why spend it on a player that has proven over an entire career to not be very good?
We could have taken a chace on younger player for £3.5m and put him on an 10th of the wages and he would have made just as much of an impact, anyone would have done to be fair.
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Cant we compare our wage bill against Liverpool? Fuck me, we think we have some deadwood to shift, take a look at the players on their books, and what some of them must be raking in (sorry "earning"). Deadwood?, its like Sherwood forest the day after Friar Tuck fell asleep instead of keeping an eye on his mead still.
Someone mentioned that Jovanovic is on 120k a week.
I genuinely had never heard of him until he went there. In fact, even now, if he turned up in my living room, wearing a Liverpool kit, I'd struggle to identify him.
Yes, all teams make really poor financial decisions. This one, though, is of extra significance to us because it is *our* poor financial decision and we're currently in an environment where the impact of such decisions is starting to be felt.
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I have been hearing since Rupert Murdoch bought the News of the World that he is a shit and will one day get his comeuppance. In the van was Private Eye who christened him the Dirty Digger.
A major football club and that does not include Small Heath will go bust within the next two seasons. I work as a ramper for a major betting firm. That is not casual speculation.
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I don't think we can blame the board for wanting maximum return on their investment. There's no denying that we have invested in and are still suffering huge costs from players who add very little to the team. But that's one of the reasons why it's legitimate to question the appointment of McLeish (allthough I can understand posters who are tired of the debate on want to move on to other issues), because hiring a top manager is in my opinion the best way to get the most out of the clubs resources.
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I think Paulie's summary early in his thread is a clear and accurate assessment with such hard information as mere supporters are allowed to have. I would go further and say that it is my view that the Heskey debacle encapsulates the core of O'Neill's weakness and the glass ceiling which is sixth place in the Premiership is O'Neill's not Villa's.
As for Liverpool being used as a yardstick of probity their current spend is like the man in the wine bar buying champagne all round before going home to a letter box full of county court judgements. Liverpool are gambling wildly and recklessly in my opinion and if next tuesday Barack Obama cannot cobble a deal together with republicans to extend the limits on US borrowing and the United States defaults, US funding, our own included will be in very serious trouble. As one commentator put it it would make the 2008 banking crisis look like forgetting to pay the milkman.
All of my life I have been hearing that the other big clubs who are spending more than this big club are reckless and will go bust.
The thing is Dawg if your going to spend money and be reckless!! Why spend it on a player that has proven over an entire career to not be very good?
We could have taken a chace on younger player for £3.5m and put him on an 10th of the wages and he would have made just as much of an impact, anyone would have done to be fair.
It's fair to say that he hasn't worked out, as is the case with many players at all clubs. It isn't fair to say that there was no possibility of it working out. How many players have scored more goals than Heskey during his Career? I bet there are even higher priced players who haven't scored as many goals as Heskey has whilst at the Villa.
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To return briefly to the problem of sovereign debt which is relevant to a thread which is about excessive and possibly unjustified expenditure. Italy has passed through its Senate a bill making 47 billions of euros of austerity measures, it will almost certainly be approved by the lower chamber on monday. Spain is also struggling to sell its bonds and appears to be as financially distressed as Italy.
I mention this because Tevez's agent (did I say agent) thinks he can bounce City by threatening a move by his star to Italy or Spain. Brer Rabbit may be planning a jump into the wrong briar patch.
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NEVER EVER a goal scorer, but a great target man! Never had a goalscorer to play with him though.
Rooney and Owen said he was the best strike partner they had played with and thats why they scored goals with him.
He's a big awkward nuisance upfront and every time he played for us the 2 opposing centre halves always had trouble marking him, leaving space for a goal scorer.
Got a good footballing brain (if not he wouldnt have played over 600 games) I would like to see heskey and Bent play together, think Bent would score 20+ goals easy.
Overpaid he definateley is, but when we signed him he was Wigans main forward and still in the England Squad. So he was probably on 40-45k a week at Wigan?
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To return briefly to the problem of sovereign debt which is relevant to a thread which is about excessive and possibly unjustified expenditure. Italy has passed through its Senate a bill making 47 billions of euros of austerity measures, it will almost certainly be approved by the lower chamber on monday. Spain is also struggling to sell its bonds and appears to be as financially distressed as Italy.
I mention this because Tevez's agent (did I say agent) thinks he can bounce City by threatening a move by his star to Italy or Spain. Brer Rabbit may be planning a jump into the wrong briar patch.
Damon you are wasted on here, we have an off topic thread about the credit crisis, be good to see your opinions
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Leicester agreed £600 000. struggling with his wages though..
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MON played Heskey in a different position to the one where he has had the most impact he is not a prolific goal scorer. In the right set up and fit and motivated he can be effective but thats it. He is a player that you would say if you were playing against him, give him some stick, he will either over react or dissapear.
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To return briefly to the problem of sovereign debt which is relevant to a thread which is about excessive and possibly unjustified expenditure. Italy has passed through its Senate a bill making 47 billions of euros of austerity measures, it will almost certainly be approved by the lower chamber on monday. Spain is also struggling to sell its bonds and appears to be as financially distressed as Italy.
I mention this because Tevez's agent (did I say agent) thinks he can bounce City by threatening a move by his star to Italy or Spain. Brer Rabbit may be planning a jump into the wrong briar patch.
Damon you are wasted on here, we have an off topic thread about the credit crisis, be good to see your opinions
Damon's daddy, you mean.
Agreed, thought I thought a ramper would be someone in charge of speed-bumps.
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Its well known i'm no fan of Heskey. Absolute Crap. He cant score goals and he is most certainly not a good target man. So many times do we see the long or searching ball up to Heskey with those fairy type air jumps nowhere near the ball. So easily pushed off the ball by defenders, tumbling all over the park like a child. Shockingly bad in the penalty area, and what will we remember him for when he eventually f***ks off.....probably the miserable night at home against Sunderland( what a twat he was that night) and also the match at home to Wigan. If hes a good player in anyones book, god help us.
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Good player.
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Hope he fucks off to Leicester. I rather we showed faith in weimann and Nathan
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Its well known i'm no fan of Heskey. Absolute Crap. He cant score goals and he is most certainly not a good target man. So many times do we see the long or searching ball up to Heskey with those fairy type air jumps nowhere near the ball. So easily pushed off the ball by defenders, tumbling all over the park like a child. Shockingly bad in the penalty area, and what will we remember him for when he eventually f***ks off.....probably the miserable night at home against Sunderland( what a twat he was that night) and also the match at home to Wigan. If hes a good player in anyones book, god help us.
Well you might not rate him mate but you ask Wayne Rooney, Michael Owen, etc who is the best frontman they have played with for England and the answer is Emile Heskey
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Well you might not rate him mate but you ask Wayne Rooney, Michael Owen, etc who is the best frontman they have played with for England and the answer is Emile Heskey
I reckon they only say that because he makes them look better than they actually are.
Nobody will ever convince me that Heskey is any better than crap or possibly spectaculary inept, maybe funny at a push. File under striking version of Titus Bramble.
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Its well known i'm no fan of Heskey. Absolute Crap. He cant score goals and he is most certainly not a good target man. So many times do we see the long or searching ball up to Heskey with those fairy type air jumps nowhere near the ball. So easily pushed off the ball by defenders, tumbling all over the park like a child. Shockingly bad in the penalty area, and what will we remember him for when he eventually f***ks off.....probably the miserable night at home against Sunderland( what a twat he was that night) and also the match at home to Wigan. If hes a good player in anyones book, god help us.
Well you might not rate him mate but you ask Wayne Rooney, Michael Owen, etc who is the best frontman they have played with for England and the answer is Emile Heskey
not sure if thats a good thing or not if I`m honest
I just know he was a useless sack of sh!t when he "played" for us
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Controversial statement but I thought he was excellent up until he got injured last season. We'd get no fee for him and have already lost a lot of experience. I'd keep him unless we are clearing the way for a really top striker
does a lot more than people realise!
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Controversial statement but I thought he was excellent up until he got injured last season. We'd get no fee for him and have already lost a lot of experience. I'd keep him unless we are clearing the way for a really top striker
does a lot more than people realise!
I agree he is a much underated player who if he goes will leave us very "lightweight" up front
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If we can get money for him, FFS get him sold soon as
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A dreadful signing. Probably the worst of MON's reign as he was just the player we didn't need at the time. Changed the formation to 442 to fit him in with disastrous consequences. Typically unimaginative and lazy signing. Has nothing to add to AVFC now and same as Beye should be just paid off to leave
This
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Controversial statement but I thought he was excellent up until he got injured last season. We'd get no fee for him and have already lost a lot of experience. I'd keep him unless we are clearing the way for a really top striker
does a lot more than people realise!
Agree with you both, the only problem for me is which Emile Heskey will turn up? He really only started showing his worth last season under GH, who's to say he can do it again with AM. If we can get him off the wage bill, we should. If we can get some money for him, even better.
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Let him go, we need that, he without doubt needs that, the man's at the end of his career anyway, he needs to get as many games as possible now before he hangs up his boots and the reality is if he's getting those games at Villa we're desperate.
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Get rid of the fucker as soon as!!
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Get rid of the fucker as soon as!!
As above.
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If Heskey earns as much as people reckon, upwards of 60k per week or over 3 mill per season, just let him go for nothing. Perhaps Sven might want to take Beye with him?
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Its well known i'm no fan of Heskey. Absolute Crap. He cant score goals and he is most certainly not a good target man. So many times do we see the long or searching ball up to Heskey with those fairy type air jumps nowhere near the ball. So easily pushed off the ball by defenders, tumbling all over the park like a child. Shockingly bad in the penalty area, and what will we remember him for when he eventually f***ks off.....probably the miserable night at home against Sunderland( what a twat he was that night) and also the match at home to Wigan. If hes a good player in anyones book, god help us.
Like it.
I remember him watching him against Blackburn I think and when a high ball was played to him him was about ten yards away from their centre half and jumped about 10 minutes before the ball came
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The problem with Heskey was giving him a 3 and a half year deal when we signed him at 31. So that's the problem of him lingering here along with Beye who also got a 3 year deal.