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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Louzie0 on July 06, 2011, 10:53:58 PM
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We've been saying that the new manager needs time to assess what he's got. What if he decides, in this transfer window anyway, that he has everybody that he needs? Including the academy players and including a goalkeeper? There's a maximum for a PL squad but is there a minimum? Can we last till christmas? Oooh!
Just time to do this one till the team come back for pre season!
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What if ............oh just lots of things
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What shirt shall I wear to work tomorrow, hmmmmm.
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Slightly misleading topic there, it makes it looks like he's actually said that, rather than you wondering what we'd do if he did.
Do you want to change it?
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ok - how about
'What if' before Alex etc.
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Change it before we have several dozen coronaries on our hands.
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ok - how about
'What if' before Alex etc.
Well, i would think that'd be a good start.
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No idea how to do it though. Needs a more IT literate intervention.
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I've done it for you.
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Thanks Paulie
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If that happens, then he's a bigger idiot than I thought he was...
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When the players come back to pre-season training, after seeing them and working with them, what if McL decides he doesn't have to buy anybody? They are a superb bunch.
Hold on to S Downing till the end of august anyway but hopefully beyond. Goalkeeper? who knows what our perennial reserves can do. Buy if we absolutely have to.
Wasters - find the pluses in Warnock and Ireland or get rid in January.
Shouldn't there be another generation of players in different positions coming through from the Academy? Can't we use those who were on loan last season in this coming season? And loan others out to get experience?
I think Villa has lots of potential and that our new manager is well placed to find it.
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does anyone really think that is going to happen? I don't. Once McLeish has had a chance to see what he's got, and who's mind is where, he'll start making transfer moves.
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I agree with toronto villa up to a point. Although there are a lot of ifs buts and maybes at the moment I truly believe that things aren't quite as gloomy as some seem to think. Given + N'Zogbia in plus fit and motivated Dunne, Warnock & Ireland for example combined with Albrighton, Delph, Bannan, Clark & Gardner stepping up to the plate then it starts to look a whole lot more positive. I'm not suggesting we'll be pushing for a CL place but I dont think a top 6 finish is out of the question either
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We just flirted with relegation and have sold A Young. The existing squad as it stands will be fighting it out with Blackburn and Fulham to avoid another relegation scrap.
We still have plenty of deadwood to clear out and a need to sort out the defence which is not fit for purpose.
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We just flirted with relegation and have sold A Young. The existing squad as it stands will be fighting it out with Blackburn and Fulham to avoid another relegation scrap.
We still have plenty of deadwood to clear out and a need to sort out the defence which is not fit for purpose.
N'Zogbia for Young. Given imo a better keeper than Friedel. Ireland , ( a big gamble granted), a very talented footballer who can potentially fill the Milner void, so essentially the same squad that got to wembley twice and finished 7th, with the addition of some very promising young players who gained valuable experience last season. Oh and the defence which is not fit for purpose, is that the same defence that was regarded as among the best in the league the season before last? I fail to see how we're condemned to fighting it out with relegation strugglers. I know last season was shite but most of that can be put down to circumstances and all this 'we're doomed ' nonsense is getting old
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We just flirted with relegation and have sold A Young. The existing squad as it stands will be fighting it out with Blackburn and Fulham to avoid another relegation scrap.
We still have plenty of deadwood to clear out and a need to sort out the defence which is not fit for purpose.
Agree with this. Trouble is no manager is going to be able to sort it all out in one Summer; usually takes 3-4 years.
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He will bring some players in the thats for sure players don't report back to training untill friday he has got to look at them then decide what he needs dont panic he will be active in the transfer market soon.
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What if McCleish decided to resign 5 days before the opening day of the season ?
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It will be a ridiculous thing to do and if it did happen then he's an idiot
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I think we will sign a decent keeper but all the talk of us going for Dann, Nzogbia, Enrique etc etc I just cannot see happening.
I don't think Dunne should be given another chance, Collins is in the last chance saloon and thinking that ireland is miraculously going to get his head together is pie in the sky.
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What if McCleish decided to resign 5 days before the opening day of the season ?
What sort of self-serving, egotistical arse would do that?
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What if Randy said here is £1 Billion and we signed Xavi, Iniesta, Messi, Villa and Ronaldo !!!!
Can't believe anyone thinks we won't sign a single player, we may not sign 7 or 8 but we do need 3 or 4
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What if McCleish decided to resign 5 days before the opening day of the season ?
What sort of self-serving, egotistical arse would do that?
hehehe
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What if McCleish decided to resign 5 days before the opening day of the season ?
What sort of self-serving, egotistical arse would do that?
:D :D :D
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That's pretty much what MON decided last summer wasn't it?? :-)
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That's pretty much what MON decided last summer wasn't it?? :-)
Some fell on stoney ground
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I would be expecting this or near to it, I think McLeish has been appointed because he fits into the way That Randy see's the direction of the club going.
On a budget in short.
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I would be expecting this or near to it, I think McLeish has been appointed because he fits into the way That Randy see's the direction of the club going.
On a budget in short.
What other way would you recommend bearing in mind all our financial circumstances?
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We just flirted with relegation and have sold A Young. The existing squad as it stands will be fighting it out with Blackburn and Fulham to avoid another relegation scrap.
We still have plenty of deadwood to clear out and a need to sort out the defence which is not fit for purpose.
Plenty of deadwood doesn't begin to describe the turmoil that imbacile O'neill left us with.
And no matter how many people try and convince me Stuart Downing should be kept hold of, if someone offered what we paid for him, I'd ship him off with a first class stamp to that location (that'd be the only first class thing about him!)
Deadwood to remove;
Guzan,
Warnock,
Beye,
Downing,
Heskey,
Dunne?
So, for us to be anything other than midtable fodder, we're looking at needing to recruit 6th players PLUS another 6. Otherwise, hello to another 10/11th place.
Please Leicester - buy Heskey back!
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Big if and he surely wouldn''t be mad enough to even contemplate it. We struggled last season and have since lost Friedel, NRC, Walker, Young, and possibly about to lose Downing. Also Carew. We need to sign at least four just to stand still, even if Warnock and Ireland can be rehabilitated. The priority must be a new keeper, because we don't have anyone of proven PL pedigree. If we don't get at least that I think we will be in deep shit by Christmas.
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Why are we pinning our hopes on Beye and Ireland! After all they both said they havent settled in the midlands and wanted away last season and Warnock! Big time charlies after a big pay day.
If we dont sign a decent goalkeeper, right back and attacking midfielder we will go this season. Any blues players you can forget it!!!
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no what ifs about it
mcleish has taken on the job after being told he wasnt getting any money to buy anybody
Young and Downings sales cover the outlay on Bent with a bit of profit thrown in
instead we are getting drip fed shite like - "everyone starts with a clean slate", "Ireland will get chance to show what he can do" and "its time Delph showed why we spent a few quid on him" etc etc
we are being taken for mugs - and the papers (that during the manager debacle, were always wrong, and dont believe what they write ::)) are loving every second of it
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I think we'll end up with a goalkeeper, a replacement for Ash and a couple more.
We'll definatley bring players in, anyone who thinks we won't is mad.
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Given imo a better keeper than Friedel
And no matter how many people try and convince me Stuart Downing should be kept hold of, if someone offered what we paid for him, I'd ship him off with a first class stamp to that location (that'd be the only first class thing about him!)
mcleish has taken on the job after being told he wasnt getting any money to buy anybody
I thought it was worth quoting three of the more mental statements we've had on the site in recent weeks.
Hopefully you'll all wake up in the morning and realise your folly.
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Is there any chance that McLeish has spoken to Houllier about current players/potential signings that Houllier had lined-up that we may still go for? The ones that Dave Woodhall heard were going to get us into the top four?!
As an aside...in his first interview on Pravda, it was interesting to hear AM talk about Borussia Dortmund's success in Germany last season...I can't remember what the context was, it was just a bit surprising/refreshing to hear him talk about the surprise success of a team in a different country.
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Isn't the average age of the Dortmund squad about 23 years old?
I'd be quite excited if villa took such a bold approach of playing some more youngsters. Let's face it we haven't got the £200m to buy our way to the top four so we may as well try something else.
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Given imo a better keeper than Friedel
And no matter how many people try and convince me Stuart Downing should be kept hold of, if someone offered what we paid for him, I'd ship him off with a first class stamp to that location (that'd be the only first class thing about him!)
mcleish has taken on the job after being told he wasnt getting any money to buy anybody
I thought it was worth quoting three of the more mental statements we've had on the site in recent weeks.
Hopefully you'll all wake up in the morning and realise your folly.
Sorry oh great fountain of wisdom, I'll go and stand in the corner :)
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no what ifs about it
mcleish has taken on the job after being told he wasnt getting any money to buy anybody
Young and Downings sales cover the outlay on Bent with a bit of profit thrown in
And you know all this as 'fact' do you?
Bloody hell man, cheer up, we haven't even played the first friendly and you're already panicking and shivering like a shitting dog.
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I would be expecting this or near to it, I think McLeish has been appointed because he fits into the way That Randy see's the direction of the club going.
On a budget in short.
What other way would you recommend bearing in mind all our financial circumstances?
Name of the game, everybody in the Premiership is facing the same problem, everybody in the UK is facing the same problem, in fact they should rename the UK, Rising Costs, and corruption of course, but hey ho!, that's another thread.
Point is we are either going to show some metal and give Mcliesh a level playing field to start with, allow him to at least introduce his own plan and players, or the bloke has been taken on with the remit, this is what you've got, live with it, and if that's the case we have a very tough season ahead.
We have this far lost Ashley Young, Brad Friedal, Reo Coker, looks to me like Downing is on his way, that's a massive void in a squad the size of Aston Villa's.
Financial problems or not, frankly i don't see we have any choice but to get deeper in and go for it, it isn't as though we have a dearth of talent waiting in the wings, 1 or 2 younger players like Albrighton, but we don't have enough.
As I say if you look at the pattern of the appointment surrounding McLiesh he seems to me to be the right man to put in charge if you are going down the road of austerity and possibly another relegation battle, possibly even relegation, lets face it in that case a bloke as thick skinned as he obviously is, you couldn't want better, put another way, if you wanted to win things in this next season you probably wouldn't go for appointing our Alex would you.
Remember our chairman is by nature a banker, he's not covering his tail for today or tomorrow he's thinking end of season and what IF!!!!!. IMO.
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Given imo a better keeper than Friedel
And no matter how many people try and convince me Stuart Downing should be kept hold of, if someone offered what we paid for him, I'd ship him off with a first class stamp to that location (that'd be the only first class thing about him!)
mcleish has taken on the job after being told he wasnt getting any money to buy anybody
I thought it was worth quoting three of the more mental statements we've had on the site in recent weeks.
Hopefully you'll all wake up in the morning and realise your folly.
Ah I see... I've woken up this morning and seen you're right because you say so. I'm wrong again...
I base my opinion on Downing on what I saw last season and half a season before and his pig ignorant attitude towards us this summer.
He's a half arsed player, who's scared of getting injured, bottles challenges, can't cross for beans.
Being voted player of the season last year really isn't an acheivement.
But like i said, sorry Dave - I'm wrong :-)
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Right now the issue with Downing is not how much he's worth, but how much we can get for him given the way Liverpool are spunking money on players right now.
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Right now the issue with Downing is not how much he's worth, but how much we can get for him given the way Liverpool are spunking money on players right now.
True. We need to be covered in at least as much spunk as the other teams Liverpool have bought from recently.
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no what ifs about it
mcleish has taken on the job after being told he wasnt getting any money to buy anybody
Young and Downings sales cover the outlay on Bent with a bit of profit thrown in
And you know all this as 'fact' do you?
Bloody hell man, cheer up, we haven't even played the first friendly and you're already panicking and shivering like a shitting dog.
Does this thread come to a crashing halt as soon as we buy one player? Will Madirishvillain implode at the same time?
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If we spend £20m received from Downing on Given £4m, N'Zogbia £9m and Parker £7m and don't touch the Ash cash we will be in decent shape. Then we can assess Ireland and Warnock, if they're not up to it, ship them out with Heskey and Beye for say a combined £10m, and sign say Kranjcar and Hutton nr the end of the window for £10 - 12m combined. We would not have spent a penny net, yet be £15-17 m up and have a better squad to start the new season with. I suppose I'm trying to make the point it doesn't really matter what we have to spend or not it's what we do with it that counts.
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The man himself
http://yfrog.com/kktcwgsj
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He looks every bit a a Villa man you know!
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I think it's clear Dunne, Collins, Warnock and Ireland are all gonna be in his plans. I imagine the first three will form 3/4's of our defence.
I think we'll get a 'keeper and N'Zogbia and that'll be it.
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I think it's clear Dunne, Collins, Warnock and Ireland are all gonna be in his plans. I imagine the first three will form 3/4's of our defence.
I think we'll get a 'keeper and N'Zogbia and that'll be it.
Should Downing stay that might be enough.
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I think it's clear Dunne, Collins, Warnock and Ireland are all gonna be in his plans. I imagine the first three will form 3/4's of our defence.
I think we'll get a 'keeper and N'Zogbia and that'll be it.
Based on comments from players and others in football, he seems like a manager who players like and will play for. So, as they did for MON, hopefully Dunne and Collins will benefit from this, and, who knows, maybe he can get the best out of Warnock and Ireland, unless they're already too far gone.
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Then we can assess Ireland and Warnock, if they're not up to it, ship them out with Heskey and Beye for say a combined £10m,
If McLeish got 10m for that lot he'd deserve a knighthood.
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He looks every bit a a Villa man you know!
Ginger?
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I think it's clear Dunne, Collins, Warnock and Ireland are all gonna be in his plans. I imagine the first three will form 3/4's of our defence.
I think we'll get a 'keeper and N'Zogbia and that'll be it.
Should Downing stay that might be enough.
We need more in midfield surely. Reo-Coker needs to be replaced.
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I think it's clear Dunne, Collins, Warnock and Ireland are all gonna be in his plans. I imagine the first three will form 3/4's of our defence.
I think we'll get a 'keeper and N'Zogbia and that'll be it.
Should Downing stay that might be enough.
We need more in midfield surely. Reo-Coker needs to be replaced.
Delph to step in for NRC.
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I think it's clear Dunne, Collins, Warnock and Ireland are all gonna be in his plans. I imagine the first three will form 3/4's of our defence.
I think we'll get a 'keeper and N'Zogbia and that'll be it.
Should Downing stay that might be enough.
We need more in midfield surely. Reo-Coker needs to be replaced.
Yes and I'd expect him to be (Parker, please). I was just pointing out that the transactions mentioned above would take us a long way towards where we need to be.
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I think it's clear Dunne, Collins, Warnock and Ireland are all gonna be in his plans. I imagine the first three will form 3/4's of our defence.
I think we'll get a 'keeper and N'Zogbia and that'll be it.
J
I would bet on us getting a keeper and then tatting around in the bargain basket
We've already been primed with them gems:
"Youth given a chance"
"All players have a clean slate"
"I might not have all the AY money"
be afraid....
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no what ifs about it
mcleish has taken on the job after being told he wasnt getting any money to buy anybody
Young and Downings sales cover the outlay on Bent with a bit of profit thrown in
And you know all this as 'fact' do you?
Bloody hell man, cheer up, we haven't even played the first friendly and you're already panicking and shivering like a shitting dog.
Does this thread come to a crashing halt as soon as we buy one player? Will Madirishvillain implode at the same time?
oh its only the 1 player we need then Toronto?
ah well we have another 6 weeks to go to find this 1 player
panic over, nothing to see here now
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oh its only the 1 player we need then Toronto?
ah well we have another 6 weeks to go to find this 1 player
panic over, nothing to see here now
You said nobody was coming in, Toronto was merely pointing out that your post will be seen for the bullshit that it is (surprise surprise) once a player is signed, not that only one will be signed.
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Villa aren't actually short of numbers as things stand (a squad of around 22), with the exception of the goalkeeping position, and that should be rectified soon if reports Given is coming are to be believed. As most agree, the big IF is if McLeish can get Beye, Warnock, Dunne, Downing and Ireland on board. We could start the season with an experienced defence of internationals, ie, Given, Young, Collins, Dunne and Warnock, with Beye, Clark and Cuellar able to fill in when necessary. That's a decent defensive unit if McLeish has the man management skills to get the players in his corner.
It's certainly prudent to look at the players he has before offloading them. If McLeish tightens up our defence, which is something he's reknown for, we still have plenty of attacking options that can score us goals. As I say, it's a big IF...
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i will be more than happy to see us sign players
and we will sign 1 or 2
wether or not, we are downsizing or not remains to be seen
for example Given instead of Foster because it saves us 4-5million
::)
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oh its only the 1 player we need then Toronto?
ah well we have another 6 weeks to go to find this 1 player
panic over, nothing to see here now
You said nobody was coming in, Toronto was merely pointing out that your post will be seen for the bullshit that it is (surprise surprise) once a player is signed, not that only one will be signed.
cheers Ger, you saved me the trouble of pointing out his lack of intelligence.
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oh its only the 1 player we need then Toronto?
ah well we have another 6 weeks to go to find this 1 player
panic over, nothing to see here now
You said nobody was coming in, Toronto was merely pointing out that your post will be seen for the bullshit that it is (surprise surprise) once a player is signed, not that only one will be signed.
cheers Ger, you saved me the trouble of pointing out his lack of intelligence.
::)
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I don't know why people are so intent on Given coming here, other than he is a keeper with Prem experience. He flaps at corners and crosses and is always injured. 35-36 years old. If we pay £4-5m for him I'd be very disappointed, it's a ridiculous figure for a 'keeper that has been on the wane for the last 2-3 seasons.