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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Legion on June 23, 2011, 12:33:48 PM
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Auntie (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/13872894.stm)
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He's got a fair chance of a regular place if he stays though.
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At £3m he'd be a bargain for most Premier League sides. I'd prefer he stayed with us rather than give him away at that price.
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He's our best defender and it would be ridiculous to sell him for any less than we paid for him.
And we shouldn't even do that, we should be putting him at centre-half.
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Letting Cuellar go is a mistake waiting to happen.
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Am surprised we are talking about letting him go without a replacement but that seems to sum Villa up at the moment.
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For me Cuellar and Clark should start at centre half
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Thought this warranted a new thread alright. I posted on the transfer thread:
Carlos Kickaball will cost a lot more than £1.5m or even £3m to replace, I'd rather keep hold of him. He's got his faults but his positioning is better than Collins, and he's not as exposed to pace as much as Dunne. Plus, his attitude is top-notch.
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He's our best defender and it would be ridiculous to sell him for any less than we paid for him.
And we shouldn't even do that, we should be putting him at centre-half.
Spot on.
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He's our best defender and it would be ridiculous to sell him for any less than we paid for him.
And we shouldn't even do that, we should be putting him at centre-half.
should be given a proper try as a center half that is for sure, at the very minimum he is a decent squad player.
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I don't think we should sell him, he's a quality player and we don't need to be replacing another position.
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Isn't it funny how after their first seasons everyone would have sold Downing & Cuellar, now everyone is hoping they stay.
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it would be disappointing to see him go that's for sure. He's a good player and by all accounts a good person. I don't think anyone can give a good reason why after the Wolves game where he was very good indeed he rarely saw action again. Especially given how poorly the Dunne/Collins partnership worked out for a good chunk of the season. Still, it's also easy to gloss over the fact that he had very poor distribution, and there has to be a very good reason why experienced managers like MON or GH didn't give him as much playing time as we thought he deserved, or played him out of his natural position.
He obviously has a lot of time for Rangers, and he was a massive success there. Again shame if he goes but understandable.
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Do you not get the impression he has told Eck he wants to go back to Rangers?
Woefully under used by successive management. Great bloke by the seems of it too.
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Do you not get the impression he has told Eck he wants to go back to Rangers?
Woefully under used by successive management. Great bloke by the seems of it too.
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One of Houllier's strangest decisions. Dunne had been unfit, and playing badly for weeks, then got himself injured. In comes Cuellar against Wolves, plays a blinder, then the next week when Dunne was fit again,finds himself back on the bench.
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One of Houllier's strangest decisions. Dunne had been unfit, and playing badly for weeks, then got himself injured. In comes Cuellar against Wolves, plays a blinder, then the next week when Dunne was fit again,finds himself back on the bench.
yep that I believe is number 8 on the my list of 'Why Houllier is fucking useless'.Oh and by that i'm not alleging he was taking Gary Mac up the marmite motorway
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Posted this in the transfer rumours thread ;
I actually think if McLeish can get Dunne back to consistent form he is prob the best tackler/stopper at the club. Pair him up with C.Clark who has more pace and comfortable on the ball and you could have a very good CB pairing there. Clark bringing out the ball from the back, Dunne making last ditch challenges and booting the ball away when under pressure could work very well. Wasnt it Dunne who tried persuade Clark to join ROI instead on England? Could help coach the kid into our future El Captain.
So IF we sell Cuellar, we'd still have Collins and Baker to come in. I would prefer to keep Carlos but he hasnt had the chance to make an impact here. For whatever reason every Villa manager weve had hasnt given him consistant games at CB so they must see something we cant.
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Noone tends to mention the Wolves home game in which he played and played poorly at centre half.
He was poor in his first season but he was kind of a strange signing anyway. Laursen, Davies even Knight was there. He wasnt really needed. He got shifted to right back by default.
Second season he had some very good games at centre half but I couldnt blame MON for having Dunne/Collins as first choice as they were the best partnership. Moving him to right back was a typical MON fudge and weakened the team somewhat
Last season he was very unlucky not to hold his place after the Wolves away game in which he gave his best display in a Villa shirt. But he did get chances under Houllier when he was fit. He suffered with injuries too last season to be fair to Houllier.
We need to cut a centre half. 3m seems far too low and he is capable of playing at a much better club than Glasgow Rangers. But Id consider letting him go too if the price was right.
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He would need replacing if sold, 3 centre halves would not be enough.
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One of Houllier's strangest decisions. Dunne had been unfit, and playing badly for weeks, then got himself injured. In comes Cuellar against Wolves, plays a blinder, then the next week when Dunne was fit again,finds himself back on the bench.
I'll never understand that either.
Carlos has never let us down, on or off the pitch.
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Eck wants to do Rangers a favour by selling them back their former player of the year.
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One of Houllier's strangest decisions. Dunne had been unfit, and playing badly for weeks, then got himself injured. In comes Cuellar against Wolves, plays a blinder, then the next week when Dunne was fit again,finds himself back on the bench.
yeh, massive head scratcher that. And especially after he'd gone out of his way to compliment his display publicly. It wouldn't suprise me if Carlos has had a quiet word and said if the opportunity arose he'd go back to Rangers, or Spain as another option. I don't think he'd go to a different English club.
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To get someone of equal or better quality that CC is going to cost a hell of a lot more money than we will get for him.
It seems a stupid decison to sell, particularly if doesn't really want to go.
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Each place you finish higher up the table is worth over approximately £500,000 at the end of the season.
There's nothing to be gained by letting a player leave for peanuts then have to replace him for possibly more money. Carlos is a good bloke to have in the squad and has always appeared happy to be so.
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He's our best defender and it would be ridiculous to sell him for any less than we paid for him.
And we shouldn't even do that, we should be putting him at centre-half.
What he said.
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One of Houllier's strangest decisions. Dunne had been unfit, and playing badly for weeks, then got himself injured. In comes Cuellar against Wolves, plays a blinder, then the next week when Dunne was fit again,finds himself back on the bench.
yep that I believe is number 8 on the my list of 'Why Houllier is fucking useless'.Oh and by that i'm not alleging he was taking Gary Mac up the marmite motorway
he really wasn't "fucking usless" though was he? Just because he makes a decision that we don't agree with, doesn't make a manager of very good standing within the game a write off. In fact, by the end of the season you could see real signs the club was going in the right direction.
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We need to keep Cuellar, Carlos and Clark would also be my first choice pairing next season with baker and either Dunne or Collins has back up.
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£1.5 million offered?! Rumours we'd accept £3 million??!! Absolute nonsense!! Keep him and get the best out of him
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I'd only sell if we got back £6m. If he's sold it'll take at least £8m to replace him. He's a top class, last ditch 'meat and potatoes' type defender. They don't come cheap so why sell him at a bargain price. this makes no sense.
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keep him and put him at centre back..Simples
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Dunne is the one we need to sell, wonder if rangers would by interested !
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I wonder if Villa managers don't like him because he runs like a girl?
I love him regardless, he's been massively under used here and don't blame him for wanting out tbh. Hopefully he can be persuaded to stay and get more games in next season.
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We should keep him and play him as we should have done last season.
That said, and whilst he is too nice a guy to say it publically, I think he has had enough following last season and is leaving come what may hence why Rangers are trying to (and probably will) get him on the cheap.
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if he was not going to be 1st choice centre back at start of season , which he would be as coming back from another injury then think it is right in selling him
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Carlos is a good defender who lacks pace and can't play football unfortunately.For me i would rather keep Carlos than Dunne or Collins, but if we want to improve we need to have better players in than CC.
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Rejected 1.5M guess as looking for 3M its reported
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A decent player but another example of MONs crazy policies, was he really a £7 million pound player?
Still think that this is priceless tho, probably seen by all but still a good chuckle http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7XTBG7XFmQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7XTBG7XFmQ)
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A decent player but another example of MONs crazy policies, was he really a £7 million pound player?
Very much so.
It Arsenal are being quoted £12m for Chris Samba and Blues are looking for £14m for Roger Johnson then Cuellar is worth £7m and a lot more besides.
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One of Houllier's strangest decisions. Dunne had been unfit, and playing badly for weeks, then got himself injured. In comes Cuellar against Wolves, plays a blinder, then the next week when Dunne was fit again,finds himself back on the bench.
yep that I believe is number 8 on the my list of 'Why Houllier is fucking useless'.Oh and by that i'm not alleging he was taking Gary Mac up the marmite motorway
he really wasn't "fucking usless" though was he? Just because he makes a decision that we don't agree with, doesn't make a manager of very good standing within the game a write off. In fact, by the end of the season you could see real signs the club was going in the right direction.
Well in my opinion he is the worst manager to lead us since Mcneill.As long as i've got a hole in my arse i'll disagree with the opinion that he was taking the club in the right direction, though i respect your right to your opinion.Even if you are wrong ;)
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To sell Carlos for 3 million would be ridiculous.
We should be keeping him and actually playing the guy in the position that we bought him to play in.
Stupid decision IMHO if he is sold.
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I'm in the "Keep Carlos & play him at centre half with Clark" camp!!! £3million is an absolute steal if he goes!!!
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Would we get a better player as a replacement for 1.5 or even 3m? Would be very difficult.
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Another one who should have been signed up yonks ago. What with this deal and bradley being cancelled it looks like the ginger ninja is scrabbling around for money. Also read today that he's turning to the youth as well. Think we're in for a long season.
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Did he play under Mcleish at Rangers?
Can't see the point of selling him for 3m and you'd think eck would like this type of centre half.
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Definately keep and play with Clark. Give them the 4 and 5 shirts while we're at it too.
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As above, just with the 5 and 6 shirts.
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IMO He still give the right balance on the right side and central defender. Since we have Luke Young, Collin, Dunne, Warnock as a senior and still have Clark, Lichaj and Baker.
But if we can lure K.Walker back as permanent, we can sell both him and L.Young.
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Cuellar is back in training and to let him go for £3m is a no go. Would like him with Collins at the back and Clarke as back up. PS Walker has not yet signed a new contract ? ......
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Why sell him for £3 million? It's going to cost more than that to replace him. Unless we think we can get by with one youth player as our back up at centre back.
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sportinglife.com
CUELLAR TOO EXPENSIVE
Ally McCoist has confirmed he is "very keen" to bring Carlos Cuellar back to Rangers, but is unlikely to meet Aston Villa's £3million asking price.
Cuellar left Ibrox to join Villa in 2008 and he has made over 100 appearances during his time with the Premier League club.
However, his future at Villa Park is uncertain following former Gers boss Alex McLeish's appointment as manager and an offer of £1.5million has already been rejected.
Reports suggest Villa want double that amount to sanction Cuellar's sale, but McCoist doubts Rangers will offer that sum for the Spaniard.
"Gordon Smith (director of football) has been talking to Aston Villa about Carlos," said McCoist in the Daily Record.
"I'm very keen for that deal to go through, but I don't think we'd be going as far as £3million to make it happen."
Christophe Berra has been mooted as an alternative option to Cuellar, but McCoist says Gers will not be following up an interest in Wolves' former Hearts centre-half.
The Rangers boss added: "He was a player we looked at but won't be pursuing."
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Did McLeish bring Carlos to Rangers or did he at least play under him?
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You'd have thought Carlos would be exactly the type of player McCleish would want in his defence. I hope he stays.
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Did McLeish bring Carlos to Rangers or did he at least play under him?
I think McLeish did buy him.
Rangers can fuck off, he's worth at least double their ludicrous £1.5m offer. I don't want him to go anyway.
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Did McLeish bring Carlos to Rangers or did he at least play under him?
I think McLeish did buy him.
Rangers can fuck off, he's worth at least double their ludicrous £1.5m offer. I don't want him to go anyway.
I have no idea how they think that £1.5 million is a reasonable bid - it seems borderline derisory to me! I hope he stays, too, he's a good centre back and, possibly uniquely in that position, a good professional too!
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Did McLeish bring Carlos to Rangers or did he at least play under him?
I think McLeish did buy him.
Rangers can fuck off, he's worth at least double their ludicrous £1.5m offer. I don't want him to go anyway.
I have no idea how they think that £1.5 million is a reasonable bid - it seems borderline derisory to me! I hope he stays, too, he's a good centre back and, possibly uniquely in that position, a good professional too!
Their Drybread ways are legendary.
They've just offered derisory amounts for Goodwillie from Dundee Utd (£2m) and Lee Wallace from Hearts (£300,000). Wallace is a Scottish international.
They're well known for taking the piss.
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Did McLeish bring Carlos to Rangers or did he at least play under him?
I think McLeish did buy him.
Rangers can fuck off, he's worth at least double their ludicrous £1.5m offer. I don't want him to go anyway.
It was Walter Smith who signed him.
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Did McLeish bring Carlos to Rangers or did he at least play under him?
I think McLeish did buy him.
Rangers can fuck off, he's worth at least double their ludicrous £1.5m offer. I don't want him to go anyway.
It was Walter Smith who signed him.
Ah fuck him.
His chops are shit anyway.
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Did McLeish bring Carlos to Rangers or did he at least play under him?
I think McLeish did buy him.
Rangers can fuck off, he's worth at least double their ludicrous £1.5m offer. I don't want him to go anyway.
It was Walter Smith who signed him.
Ah fuck him.
His chops are shit anyway.
Did'nt know you had a beef with Walter Smith?
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You really need to be from round these parts to get that joke! Walter Smith is a butcher.
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Yes. Beef!
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Straight swap deal for McGregor and he's theirs.
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Did McLeish bring Carlos to Rangers or did he at least play under him?
I think McLeish did buy him.
Rangers can fuck off, he's worth at least double their ludicrous £1.5m offer. I don't want him to go anyway.
Walter Smith signed Carlos Cuellar for us long after McLeish had left mate.
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Did McLeish bring Carlos to Rangers or did he at least play under him?
I think McLeish did buy him.
Rangers can fuck off, he's worth at least double their ludicrous £1.5m offer. I don't want him to go anyway.
Walter Smith signed Carlos Cuellar for us long after McLeish had left mate.
A few weeks?
Anyhow, 1.5 million for a guy you sold for 8 3 years back is the biggest piss take of an offer since 'The Mighty Reds YNWA' offered 8 for Barry. 3 million would be a bargain still. Worth 5 still minimum, and unless he hands in a request I hope we keep him.
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Can't see it being Foster, its all getting to acrimonious, which of course is nothing but wishful thinking by the noses, who other then a right Muppet would tap up a Blouses manager.
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Did McLeish bring Carlos to Rangers or did he at least play under him?
I think McLeish did buy him.
Rangers can fuck off, he's worth at least double their ludicrous £1.5m offer. I don't want him to go anyway.
Walter Smith signed Carlos Cuellar for us long after McLeish had left mate.
A few weeks?
Anyhow, 1.5 million for a guy you sold for 8 3 years back is the biggest piss take of an offer since 'The Mighty Reds YNWA' offered 8 for Barry. 3 million would be a bargain still. Worth 5 still minimum, and unless he hands in a request I hope we keep him.
Paul Le Guen replaced McLeish, Smith took over from him and signed Cuellar 5-6month after returning mate.
not going to argue with you over price I think £3m for him would be a bargain to, but think our new owner is just testing water at moment with low bids. Ultimately though i think it will be down to whether or not Carlos asks to move
If he stays at Villa Park I think he will seek assurances he gets a central role playing full back he isn't doing himself any justice