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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: pedro25 on June 22, 2011, 12:52:50 PM
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I am struggling to find a suitable candidate, maybe L Young at a push, but he's not ideal.
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Are you ALex McLeish??
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I think Petrov will keep it as club captain, but he won't play as much, so someone else will also share the duties - bit like Robson and Fistface in 92/93. I'll go for Collins or a new signing as the 'deputy captain'.
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Nigel Reo Coker.
Haven't you heard..?
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Are you ALex McLeish??
Haha.
Seriously it does show we lack leaders at the club. Really thought when Dunne came to the club he would be our future captain, especially after the 1st season. Ive voted for Other/New signing although can a new signing realistically expect to be the captain of a new club?
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Maybe give it to Scott Dann as an incentive to join ?
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Hoping to get rid of Dunne (and keep Cuellar), but who knows.
Out of that lot I'd say Petrov.
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Charlie Adam.
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Gardner
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Clark should IMO start the season as first choice centre half and also be given the captaincy.The kid is a natural leader and his age isn't an issue to me both Bobby moore and Tony Adams led their clubs at younger ages and it didn't faze them
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There isn't an outstanding candidate. Petrov isn't good enough to play every game,maybe Collins if he can get some consistancey back,then again having the arm band could effect his form,so fcuk knows.
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Our captain for next season will be Jermaine Jenas.
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Gabby
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Gabby? I honestly don't expect to see Gabby as a regular in the starting 11.
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He's our longest serving player and certainly talks the talk in terms of loyalty. Personally I'd like to see him and Bent together up front next year (unless we sign someone better in summer)
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Needs to be a regular team member. If we sign Shay I would like Given it to him.
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I'm not saying it should be Petrov but it will be i'm pretty sure.
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Gabby? I honestly don't expect to see Gabby as a regular in the starting 11.
You seriously must be joking, the threat Gabby poses is immense, that threat was missing for the entire season, Villa attack looked like a drink of water, and to a some part IMO, Gabby and the threat he carries and that being missing, his link play with Ashley Young not being there is one reason why we ended up where we did.
I just don't get why Villa fans underestimate a Gabby Agbonlahor in full flight and at his best, in fact if I was Man Utd i would purchase the pair, because as I remember Gabby and Ash where probably one of the most potent double acts in the Premiership.
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Bent is better than Gabby and we need 3 in the middle so we don't get overrun so I see Gabby as an impact player next season and not a starter.
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Bent is better than Gabby and we need 3 in the middle so we don't get overrun so I see Gabby as an impact player next season and not a starter.
Bent is very good providing he receives ball to feet and he's got a great gaping goal right in front of him, reference the England game, and that's not a swipe at Darren Bent, and i certainly wouldn't rest on my laurels expecting a 20 goal session from him next season, Gabby is a different animal altogether, Bent is the classic old style goal poacher, brilliant with good instinct for the goal, right place at the right time, excellent, anything more and i'd expect more talent out of a Morris 1000, but that my opinion only. We shall see in the passage of time.
Gabby Agbonlahor is like an express train, he can be completely unpredictable, i wouldn't mind betting if you took an opinion poll of the Premierships top defenders like Vidic or Ferdinand, John Terry or Gallas all of who Agbonlahor has obliterated with consummate ease they would have no problem in telling you which one they would prefer to face on match day.
I wouldn't make Gabby a Captain, he would without a doubt be one of my first names up on the squad team sheet. No problem.
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Bent is better than Gabby and we need 3 in the middle so we don't get overrun so I see Gabby as an impact player next season and not a starter.
Bent is very good providing he receives ball to feet and he's got a great gaping goal right in front of him, reference the England game, and that's not a swipe at Darren Bent, and i certainly wouldn't rest on my laurels expecting a 20 goal session from him next season, Gabby is a different animal altogether, Bent is the classic old style goal poacher, brilliant with good instinct for the goal, right place at the right time, excellent, anything more and i'd expect more talent out of a Morris 1000, but that my opinion only. We shall see in the passage of time.
Gabby Agbonlahor is like an express train, he can be completely unpredictable, i wouldn't mind betting if you took an opinion poll of the Premierships top defenders like Vidic or Ferdinand, John Terry or Gallas all of who Agbonlahor has obliterated with consummate ease they would have no problem in telling you which one they would prefer to face on match day.
I wouldn't make Gabby a Captain, he would without a doubt be one of my first names up on the squad team sheet. No problem.
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Bent vs Gabby as centre forward? No contest....goals talk. Could be pretty potent as a two up front though. Gabby is no winger though and it could be another tough year for him if we go one up front.
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Yer asking Vidic, Rio etc who they prefer to face has very little to do with the quality of the forward, I bet 10 yrs ago centre halves would rather wake up knowing they were facing Michael Owen than Duncan Ferguson for example. So what little Owen is a better player and will probably score, at least they wont have their jaw broken by an animal like Ferguson. I'm sure they don't like trying to chase Gabby round the pitch, but that doesn't mean he is anywhere near as effective a striker for us than Bent is, because he is not.
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Lee Bowyer
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Gardner
Gary is a little inexperienced right now but it may be him in a couple of years.
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Liam Ridgewell
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It should be A N Other.
It will be S Petrov
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Scott Dann
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Our new captain will be a big new signing. My money's on Adam.
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Of current players Petrov by an absolute mile.
That said I hope we get a new signing capable of the job.
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think it should be petrov as captain and gabby as vice captain
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Can't vote, I don't really agree with any of them and don't know who he's going to get in, there's a few players in the team that are loud, no one is the complete captain to me though
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Gabby? I honestly don't expect to see Gabby as a regular in the starting 11.
You seriously must be joking, the threat Gabby poses is immense, that threat was missing for the entire season, Villa attack looked like a drink of water, and to a some part IMO, Gabby and the threat he carries and that being missing, his link play with Ashley Young not being there is one reason why we ended up where we did.
I just don't get why Villa fans underestimate a Gabby Agbonlahor in full flight and at his best, in fact if I was Man Utd i would purchase the pair, because as I remember Gabby and Ash where probably one of the most potent double acts in the Premiership.
HAHAHAHA! Crap first touch and one dimensional! He had one really good season then he was found out! That's why he hasnt been a threat because defenders know how to mark him now! though he will always have a special place in my heart for scoring against the b-lose!
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I still think Gabby has a role and is good enough, but he's not a captain, hope we see more of him next season...
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Scott Parker ;-0
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My choice is Cuellar. Stick him back in the side, in the position where he's supposed to be and give him the good run in the team he deserves.
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Downing :)
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Nobody in the squad stands out as captain material for me- maybe one of the new signings will fit the bill?
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Delph.
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Coker.
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Lionel Messi.
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Lionel Messi.
Meh we can do better, ill chain myself to the north stand gates if we dared to show this unambition
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Yer asking Vidic, Rio etc who they prefer to face has very little to do with the quality of the forward, I bet 10 yrs ago centre halves would rather wake up knowing they were facing Michael Owen than Duncan Ferguson for example. So what little Owen is a better player and will probably score, at least they wont have their jaw broken by an animal like Ferguson. I'm sure they don't like trying to chase Gabby round the pitch, but that doesn't mean he is anywhere near as effective a striker for us than Bent is, because he is not.
Missing the point, No I'm not asking Vidic or Terry or Gallas in respect of playing against Gabby, they've all gone on record saying just that, direct quote from John Terry saying "Every defender in the Premiership knows Gabby is a nightmare to play against", Gabby is or was a lot more influential within the Villa side than a lot of Villa fans recognize, and its not just his ability to use his pace to run past player, at times his shown some very deft touches, but the main point is, there is no comparison between him and Bent, however, Bent hasn't been at the club long enough to wipe his bum yet, when he's led the line as long as Gabby did on his own, and having to craft goals out of what in the main was a poor midfield feeding him his chances and still getting his goals, then i'll sit up and listen.
My feeling is this time next year providing he hasn't up and left Villa, Bent will probably have a goals tally for the season of something like 16/17 goals as a guestimate, marginally better than Gabby, Gabby cost naf all and Bent as cost a fortune, IMO for that he needs to be into 20+ goals a season to show he's worth that.
Pleased to have Darren Bent in the side, but there is no way it should be either or where Gabby is concerned, I've seen way to much excellent footballing moments from Gabby such as the late winner v the scum, where he cleared of the line one end, sprinted the full length of the pitch to meet Ash's cross and head in the other end for an excellent goal when most of the team where utterly knackered, the fantastic way he turned Vidic in the area in the League cup final, when Vidic crapped himself and fouled him giving us a brilliant penalty, the fantastic hat trick v Man City, the little side step knock in v Man Utd.
Bent v Gabby, well put simply, for me Gabby has paid his dues, time served, and he's provided some great incident, when Bent has done the same for a couple of seasons and actually has a track record fair enough, Gabby is Aston Villa, which is why they've just marched him out to comment on the "give Alex a chance".
Fact is its not either or it should be both.
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Nigel Reo Coker hopefully if he re-signs!
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The only player that stands out to me is Collins! Dunne is a lose cannon and Petrov's legs have all but gone, he's captain at Wales now so lets see his leadership styles......best way is to pick and choose throughout pre-season and then make final decision just before start!
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Obviously has to continue to be Petrov; did no one notice the difference he made to the team when he came back in towards the end of the season? Well, perhaps 14 others did!
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Whilst I admire your loyalty to Gabby and much as I love him as a player, he is no where near the class that Bent is as a centre forward (IMO). Bent's goal record in the Prem is second only to Rooney, by one goal, isn't it? Unbelievable record having played for unfashionable clubs and a stint at Spudz. His movement in the box is just brilliant.
Gabby is still improving and has quite a step up to go IMO. Can't help feeling that he's been "found out" a bit now the pace element of surprise has been seen. Like to see the pair of them up top in full flow though.
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Whilst I admire your loyalty to Gabby and much as I love him as a player, he is no where near the class that Bent is as a centre forward (IMO). Bent's goal record in the Prem is second only to Rooney, by one goal, isn't it? Unbelievable record having played for unfashionable clubs and a stint at Spudz. His movement in the box is just brilliant.
Gabby is still improving and has quite a step up to go IMO. Can't help feeling that he's been "found out" a bit now the pace element of surprise has been seen. Like to see the pair of them up top in full flow though.
Well put, the only thing that i would add to that is if Darren Bent proves to be nowhere near as effective for Villa as he was for Sunderland, not so much Spurs, then i very much doubt there will be very many Villa fans thinking he's in any class to speak of, despite his stats.
For me Darren Bent has joined the club at a time when probably it hasn't worked in his favour, be interesting to see how he deals with it and how far his sense of loyalty goes.
Anyway good point but i won't comment further because its all a bit of thread ;)
So Captain, actually I think Villa have needed for a long time and still do a real midfield playmaker, a midfield general, someone that has the ability to stand in front of the back 4 taking the pressure of but has the passing ability and nounce to get forward and support and direct attack, a real midfied dynamo.
So he would be my Captain, in short buy one.
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Give Downing the captain's armband and let him know he is an integral part of the team we are trying to build, I can see him thriving on the responsibility and really stepping up
Dunne, Collins, Petrov and Luke Young all lucky to be first team regulars for me never mind captain...
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No player.
The Holte End will be the captain. Tactical instructions will be pass down from there to Sid who will relay to the players. McLeish has the coin tossing duty.
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The Holte End? Another not very vocal captain then.
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Craig Gardner
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Give Downing the captain's armband and let him know he is an integral part of the team we are trying to build, I can see him thriving on the responsibility and really stepping up
Dunne, Collins, Petrov and Luke Young all lucky to be first team regulars for me never mind captain...
:o - I'd rather eat my own earwax!
Give it to someone who may actually show some committment to the club... or leave it with Stan, vice captain Bent.
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Barry Ferguson
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Good question and thread and thankfully devoid of childish insults.
I have no idea - suppose Petrov as Club Captain but if he comes back then NRC is better than any of the other candidates
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I've gone for other / new signing. No idea who though. Probably Dann when he arrives.
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No point rocking the boat.
Petrov for as long as he's in the side. I wouldn't mind Luke Young getting the gig though if circumstances dictate. Generally pretty consistent when he's in the side, has a bit of fire to his game and not afraid to dish out bollockings if required.
Dunne will hopefully be plying his trade elsewhere next season. Collins may be worth persisting with, at least as a squad player. But never captain material for me.
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It will be one of two....
Nigel Reo-Coker or,
Barry Ferguson
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Neither.
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I'd say Petrov if he had the legs. I think he's brilliant at what he does and we are a better team with a fit Petrov. Unfortunately he probably hasn't got the stamina anymore.
Because of this I'm at a loss and would not chose one until some new faces come in.
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Hopefully McLeish will continue Houllier's work in improving the discipline in the squad, but I doubt he'll be picking any unnecessary fights in the beginning. That means sticking with Petrov.
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Stan for me. I hope he gets a regular game too.