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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: N'ZMAV on June 20, 2011, 12:27:14 PM
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Villa compensation bill reaches £7m (http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/aston-villa-fc/2011/06/20/villa-compensation-bill-reaches-7m/?)
The compensation bill at Villa will hit £7million with the club forced to splash the cash on three managers in the last month.
And the claret and blues could have to pay more to fill the gap left by assistant boss Gary McAllister after his exit over the weekend.
Alex McLeish will be unveiled as the club’s new manager today, with Villa still locked in a cash row with Birmingham over how much the Scot will cost.
The former Glasgow Rangers chief made the controversial switch to Villa Park on Friday and Blues are still demanding the £5.4million they believe they are owed because of McLeish’s exit clause.
It’s likely they will settle for nearer £3million, but Villa will still be forced to shell out on managerial compensation for a third time.
Former manager Gerard Houllier left with a £2.5million pay-out following his departure with health problems three weeks ago, while Villa coughed up £1.5million to Martin O’Neill following a tribunal in May.
Villa will be keen to ensure costs over McLeish’s appointment don’t spiral out of control but they could pay Blues more should the Scot bring his backroom staff with him.
Coach Peter Grant and goalkeeping coach Dave Watson could follow McLeish to Villa Park after McAllister’s departure.
The former Liverpool and Leeds midfielder was drafted in by Houllier – who he played under at Anfield – but has followed the Frenchman out of the club after less than a year.
French conditioning coach Robert Duverne has handed in his resignation but first-team coach Gordon Cowans and goalkeeping coach Rafa Gonzalez are staying.
Cowans will remain in his role but Gonzalez could return to the academy should Watson join.
And Cowans, who won the European Cup with Villa in 1982, is keen to work with McLeish.
He said: “I’ve spoken to Alex. That was one of the first things he did when he came to the training ground on his first day at the club and I’m looking forward to working with him.
“He’s a good man, a good manager and the players will all be looking forward to working with him, as I know he is about working with them.
“I know everyone at the club will give him their full support because he’s a man who commands that level of respect.”
Read more: http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/aston-villa-fc/2011/06/20/villa-compensation-bill-reaches-7m/#ixzz1PoZPfFOs
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I'd heard that we had to pay O'Neill much more than £1.5m.
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And Cowans, who won the European Cup with Villa in 1982, is keen to work with McLeish.
He said: “I’ve spoken to Alex. That was one of the first things he did when he came to the training ground on his first day at the club and I’m looking forward to working with him.
“He’s a good man, a good manager and the players will all be looking forward to working with him, as I know he is about working with them.
“I know everyone at the club will give him their full support because he’s a man who commands that level of respect.”
This is interesting. I get the feeling McLeish would be a good motivator with the pompus bollocks that O'Neill had.
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What a huge amount of money to pay out, to end up with such a poor choice of manager.
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I'd heard that we had to pay O'Neill much more than £1.5m.
I heard that too, along with his backroom staff it was well over £5m.
So if Blues get £5m for Mcleish, its basically all the Ashley Young money gone.
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Are the club not looking for an insurance pay out on GH? He's not fit for work so why not try for it?
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What a huge amount of money to pay out, to end up with such a poor choice of manager.
I like RL but to say he is meant to be this fantastic businessman he doesn't half spunk away his money.
Add to this compensation:
NRC - Bought 8 Million got rid of for nothing
Salifou - 4 years at say 10k per week = 2 million
Habib Beye - Cost of transfer and wages = 8 million
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Are the club not looking for an insurance pay out on GH? He's not fit for work so why not try for it?
Didn't he get a clean bill of health? Isn't that why we've had to pay him off, as we've effectively got rid of him without a good reason.
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Lerners dad was the great business man.
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What a huge amount of money to pay out, to end up with such a poor choice of manager.
I like RL but to say he is meant to be this fantastic businessman he doesn't half spunk away his money.
Add to this compensation:
NRC - Bought 8 Million got rid of for nothing
Salifou - 4 years at say 10k per week = 2 million
Habib Beye - Cost of transfer and wages = 8 million
Think you'll find O'Neill spunked that money away.
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What a huge amount of money to pay out, to end up with such a poor choice of manager.
I like RL but to say he is meant to be this fantastic businessman he doesn't half spunk away his money.
Add to this compensation:
NRC - Bought 8 Million got rid of for nothing
Salifou - 4 years at say 10k per week = 2 million
Habib Beye - Cost of transfer and wages = 8 million
Think you'll find O'Neill spunked that money away.
He could only do so if Lerner allowed him to.
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O'Neill had pretty much total control over who he bought and the wages he dished out at the time. Ridiculously foolish of Lerner - and a clear example of why we need a football brain on the board to oversee these things, but it was O'Neill doing the spunking.
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Isn't this all speculation though?
The MON settlement has been kept very quiet, which is more likely due to the circumstances than the money involved. And unlees we are proven to have tapped up Mcleish, which I sincerely doubt happened, we've just employed an unemployed manager nd that case is further strengthened by his case against them for constructive dismissal.
Gezza will have been paid a tidy penny, though.
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We should be able to see in the next set of accounts what the O'Neill and Houllier payouts were.
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Are the club not looking for an insurance pay out on GH? He's not fit for work so why not try for it?
Didn't he get a clean bill of health? Isn't that why we've had to pay him off, as we've effectively got rid of him without a good reason.
He was given the go ahead to start work from September which, if we were so inclined, I'm sure we could use to argue the toss.
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A lot of money to pay for a git that left us in the lurch, a bloke who was doing some good things and could have probably have carried on doing those good things, and for a manager that very few seem to rate or want at the club (SAF excluded). I'm struggling to understand why we decided to ditch GH if he would have been fit to work in September, just as he was about to have the chance to put his stamp on the squad with his first full transfer window. He could have given Faulkner instructions on who to sign, and Cowans and MacAllister instructions on pre-season preparation until then. Instead we fork out millions to get rid, and millions to replace him with an inferior version. Barmy.
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What a huge amount of money to pay out, to end up with such a poor choice of manager.
I like RL but to say he is meant to be this fantastic businessman he doesn't half spunk away his money.
Add to this compensation:
NRC - Bought 8 Million got rid of for nothing
Salifou - 4 years at say 10k per week = 2 million
Habib Beye - Cost of transfer and wages = 8 million
Think you'll find O'Neill spunked that money away.
MON spunked it but it was RL who kept going into his pocket. When MON was asking for money to replace players that he had bought and on ridiculous he should have been on the ball.
The blame for the GH compensation you have to lie squarely a RL's door
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Oh, definitely. But it's a necessary payout. He couldn't continue in the job, he had to go.
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I'm struggling to understand why we decided to ditch GH if he would have been fit to work in September
No matter how badly GH wanted to return and no matter how much in denial he was, he was never going to be able to return to Premier League management, not now, not September, not ever.
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It's a lot of money to pay out in compensation all that money we paid out could have brought a decent player.
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Can anyone explain why we have to pay out compensation for a man who walked out of his previous club because of the way he was treated. Surely its between Small Heath and Big Eck
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Can anyone explain why we have to pay out compensation for a man who walked out of his previous club because of the way he was treated. Surely its between Small Heath and Big Eck
Because we tapped him up. If we were completely innocent, i don't think we would just hand out 2m.
I would like Paul Faulkner to answer the question though.
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One would imagine that we gave MoN such a large payout because his constructive dismissal claim was somewhat more compelling than we would think.
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In fact i would like to see Paul Faulkner give explanations for handing out all 3 payments. A well run company would not get their fingers burnt 3 times, the way we have been.
Added to the Nike fiasco, and the lack of shirt sponsors, if i was Randy i would asking some serious questions of my chief executive.
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Can anyone explain why we have to pay out compensation for a man who walked out of his previous club because of the way he was treated. Surely its between Small Heath and Big Eck
Because we tapped him up. If we were completely innocent, i don't think we would just hand out 2m.
I would like Paul Faulkner to answer the question though.
Sorry if I've missed it, but where has it been said we've paid them £2m?
I simply don't believe that after conducting ourselves above board for every other managerial approach we then decided to abandon that as it was SHA.
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It's most likely bollocks John - why people pay so much attention to numbers and the press is conufsing to me.
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And why do we get so wrapped up with money anyway. My personal financial exposure to AVFC is the cost of my season ticket.makes no odds to me how much we get for Ash, how much we give to blues. After Sep 1 I bet we're among the top half dozen spenders again
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All this waste of money and it is waste of money goes back to the Newcastle game last season.
We had just beaten West Ham comfortably in our opening fixture which we could have won eight nil and everybody I spoke to after the game was content that KMac deserved a proper run in charge while we looked for a decent manager in a very poor field at a very difficult time of the season.
For a quarter of an hour things looked fine, even with three up front away from home. We got a penalty. Carew blasted it into the Gallowgate End and from then on we crumbled. I believe sincerely that if we had gone a goal up at that point it would have been a much closer game. As it turned out our board went into headless chicken mode and a very scratch list of managerial candidates was drawn up.
We selected a man of advanced years in footballing terms and with a serious record of heart disease. I believe any chief executive worthy of his salary and position would have consulted the actuarial statistics regarding the recurrence of heart malfunctions in acutely stressful jobs but I can only assume he did not.
If I were the owner of the club I would expect the board to stay with interim management until the correct calibre of applicants could be found. The old axiom about marrying in haste and repenting at leisure comes to mind.
I do not think KMac would have done any worse than GH. The sudden flurry of six points from the last two games made our season look much more comfortable than it actually was.
As someone just said, all of the millions thrown away on all this compensation could have bought us a good player.
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I bloody knew it was John Carew's fault!
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Not my money so don't care unless.... it comes out of the transfer budget. Whether it does or not is speculation. But, my opinion on the managers is........
MON spunked money and was allowed to but also came reasonably close to getting us the holy grail of champions league which would justify the spend. He didn't, RL realised he wouldn't and he left. £2m payout (?) is far far far less than he would have spunked on other average to shit players so an understandable 'write off'.
Houllier - I understand where he was going and if he had stayed fit for 3 years it might just have worked. He wasn't fit and couldn't continue with any sense of 'calm' for playing staff or fans so a write off again - call it a goodwill gesture?!? He would insist he was fit, we would insist he wasn't. Do we want 6 months of hearings and medical reports or do we want to move on.
McLeish, he thinks he has the right man and has paid for the privilege of having him. We'll find out. If it works it is worth so much more than the compo that it's a no brainer. We don't know yet whether it will work or not but until it doesn't this figure is irrelevent.
Just my opinion.