Heroes & Villains, the Aston Villa fanzine
Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: brontebilly on June 17, 2011, 02:33:18 PM
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Now that Fergie has recommended a top manager to us, I guess its time to move on.
From our current squad of players - who do keep or who do we consider offers for
Guzan - I thought was out of contract. Nowhere near good enough. Get rid.
L Young - another I thought was out of contract. injury prone a bit at this stage of his career but played decent enough towards end of season. Id consider letting go.
Beye - once a very good right back for Newcastle. At 33, we might aswell payup and take a loss.
Dunne - Showed up in a disgraceful condition last season but imo once he got back in the side was our best defender. Has had injury problems and probably wont have too many years left at the top. Might get one last good season especially with Euro 2014 hopefully on the horizon for him. Id consider offers. Worth considering that with McLeish's 4-6-0 formation the likes of Dunne wont be exposed as much next season.
Collins - worse than Dunne last season in terms of performances. Younger though and as a result might be worth persevering though. Depends which James Collins shows up really, the one that was excellent in his first season or the joke player of last season.
Cuellar - quicker than the other two but not the oracle some on here think he is. Has never done enough to say he should be first choice centre back at AVFC but might get a chance now. Id say keep.
Clark - if we are linked with Dann then it wont look good for Clark as a centre back. Really good player on the ball but has no recovery speed which is a worry for a centre half. Which is why I think he will play a good bit in midfield this season.
Warnock - i'll be honest I never rated him at Blackburn but he did alright for MON initially. We still have a hole at left back. Thought he was disgraceful last season but unless someone comes in with 3m then we should consider a last chance.
Makoun - good game at Old Trafford but didnt settle initially. Hard to know what kind of midfielder he is. Good on the ball but seemingly with no presence. Anyway a good pre season under his belt will hopefully see the best out of him.
Petrov - a voice of reason in the dressing room which is why I think he will be kept by McLeish. But he isnt an option in a 442 anymore and for his wages I think we should be aiming to replace him.
Delph - huge season for him. Shit or bust time really.
Bannan - will find it hard to get game time under McLeish I reckon. A tidy footballer but not an option in a 442 anyway. Hopefully can be kept on as a squad option at a minimum and given games particularly at home.
Downing - euro 2014 will hopefully see him trying to impress. will definitely want out after McLeish coming in though.
Young - is defo off anyway. Best of luck ash.
Albrighton - fine season that tailed off. Still a fine crosser of the ball but will need to find more tricks for next season and hopefully be a bit more disciplined and stronger too.
Ireland - If McLeish gets him playing like he did 3 years ago then he will be halfway to getting Villa Park on side. Who knows
Bent - keep him fit and he will score. ashley young will be a loss though. We defo need to bring someone in creative.
Gabby - last season was a nightmare for him. if he comes back lighter and with a better attitude then he has a great chance. But cant see him being much use partnering Bent.
Heskey - can only hope McLeish gets rid. Cant see too many offers forthcoming though.
Fonz - I think the lad has something. He can score and might even be a more natural partner for Bent than Gabby. But can look lost at times too.
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At the moment i would keep all of them as we have already lost around 12 from last season
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Whichever ones Alex wants to keep.
I might not want Dunne, Warnock and Ireland to stay but if the manager feels he can get them delivering to a level they have done in the past then fine by me.
The question is whether some players like Cuellar, Downing and others want to stay.
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Although Beye and Ireland would have to learn how to play something approaching football to stay on the books for me since the last time they pulled on the C&B. Why are we sure that Downing wants to leave now McLeish is in?
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Looking at that list, and the squad definitely seems a bit thin. The whole situation is starting to feel like Summer 2006 again.
Five years on it seems that all we have gained is better catering, and a redecorated pub. And 2 weeks ago I regarded myself as one of the happy clappy brigade.
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At the moment i would keep all of them as we have already lost around 12 from last season
The only ones we've lost who I'd have liked to hold onto are Friedel and NRC. Most of the others were nowhere near the squad - Carew and Pires - ok. But then Salifou and Osbourne were the only ones I'd heard of amongst Berry, Deeny, Flanagan, Forrester and Halfhuid. Not exactly a big dent in the first team.
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Honestly, I'd keep everyone apart from Heskey and Beye. All others have a part to play.
Having said that I have a sneeking suspicion that Heskey could be a very good CB in his advancing years.
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Having said that I have a sneeking suspicion that Heskey could be a very good CB in his advancing years
He'd be no good, someone would lean into him and he'd fall on his arse
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Having said that I have a sneeking suspicion that Heskey could be a very good CB in his advancing years
He'd be no good, someone would lean into him and he'd fall on his arse
Oh, Ok. I'll just go Fuck myself. ;)
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Keep Heskey get rid of Dunne play Heskey at the back what a superb centre half he would make, if he can batter forwards like he can referees we are on a winner
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gabby wont play for a ex bluenose sell him and buy camaron doda from sty
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It looks like we are getting a little carried away because Dublin did ok at the back. Heskey won't tackle and hates getting knocked about.
As for the list, I would be happy to see NRC go. We have better players in Makoun and Delph. We do need a creative player in the middle or out wide though. Someone that can keep the ball. Downing is a good player but gives it away too easily. This is a great time for Bannan to make his mark. It looks like Adam is off to Liverpool but I would love to see him at VP. He gives the creativity thT Petrov first had
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It looks like we are getting a little carried away because Dublin did ok at the back. Heskey won't tackle and hates getting knocked about.
As for the list, I would be happy to see NRC go. We have better players in Makoun and Delph. We do need a creative player in the middle or out wide though. Someone that can keep the ball. Downing is a good player but gives it away too easily. This is a great time for Bannan to make his mark. It looks like Adam is off to Liverpool but I would love to see him at VP. He gives the creativity thT Petrov first had
Keeping your finger on the pulse I see.
Did you know MON's left?
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Yeah it's on the pulse!! I should have said 'I am happy to see NRC go'. Better?
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From our squad
Beye, Warnock, Heskey need to go. Ireland is up to the manager.
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Can't understand why you'd think our better players will want to go now AM has been appointed? Is this the reason Young is off? Or is it that he's been tapped up by Man Utd?
With Downing, does anybody really think had Martin Jol for example walked in rather than AM that he'd suddenly sign a new 4 year deal?? I'd say that's off the mark. If Liverpool or one of the other 'top 4' bats their eyelids he'll be off if he can, regardless.
Players go when they think they can improve their money and chance of recognition. It's simple really, until we regularly qualify for the Champions League we will always struggle to keep our better players, who, by definition we will have being a best of the rest style team along with Spurs, Everton, Sunderland and whoever has a good year from the tire below (Bolton etc etc).
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I think half of Richard Dunne should stay the other half needs shedding!
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We only need one striker with the 6-3-1 formation
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Yes Jerome and sell bent for £35m.
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Get rid of: beye, warnock, dunne
Keep guzan unless we get a better back up keeper.
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Luke Young should stay IMO.
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I would get rid of Guzan, Dunne, Beye, Warnock, Ireland and Heskey. With Young a certainty to go, we could probably get about 30 million to add to the transfer budget. With the others that have already been realised, thats the dead wood gone, and a fresh start all round.
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Whats the chances of AM working some kind of small miracle with Ireland? Slim to none I guess, but would be quite a prospect to see an on form Ireland working with Bent.
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......................Marshall........................
Young.....Dunne......Collins...Warnock
.............Makoun.......Petrov................
Albrighton.........Ireland........Downing
........................Bent..........................
Our side as it currently stands. Heskey, Fonz, Gabby, Delph, Clark, Parish, Lichaj, Bannan, Cuellar on the bench or in the squad. For me, we need to replace one of the centre backs, the keeper, possibly the left back, unless he pulls his finger out of his arse, Petrov needs replacing, we also need a third winger. Ireland out, for Adam. N'Zogbia in as the third winger. I'd like Luke Young to stay, Clark, Bent, Downing, Albrighton, Delph, Makoun all to stay. The rest can be replaced over the next two years or so in my opinion.
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Heskey and Beye obviously. We should be looking to build a team around them. Re-sign Osbourne and Salifou as the spine of the team and get Harewood back to provide that little sparkle of "magic". Doug's Your Uncle! Top Four!
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Heskey and Beye obviously. We should be looking to build a team around them. Re-sign Osbourne and Salifou as the spine of the team and get Harewood back to provide that little sparkle of "magic". Doug's Your Uncle! Top Four!
Doug is my Uncle? Excellent. I hope he leaves me some money in his will. Thanks for letting me know!
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Guzan -has shown potential at very limited time.
L Young -i would like him as a rotation right back or left back, i rate him very highly
Dunne -although he is inconsistent, he is our best defender
Collins -just love his determination
Cuellar- like him very much, but he probably would want more playing time
Beye -hasn't proven he has value for the club for 2 years, big salary, he should be already out
Warnock -it depends on McLeish, can he get the best out of him? if yes, definitely keep him
Ireland -last chance this year, would be difficult to offload
Petrov -has value to the team, but should have a more limited part this season
Heskey -was very impressive when Houllier arrived, if he can do anything near to that, then keep him
all the other players should definitely stay. we also need
- starting Goalkeeper (Given)
- starting Right Back (Walker)
- third Winger (N'Zogbia, Larsson)
- energy,box to box Midfielder (Milner)
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......................Marshall........................
Young.....Dunne......Collins...Warnock
.............Makoun.......Petrov................
Albrighton.........Ireland........Downing
........................Bent..........................
Our side as it currently stands. Heskey, Fonz, Gabby, Delph, Clark, Parish, Lichaj, Bannan, Cuellar on the bench or in the squad. For me, we need to replace one of the centre backs, the keeper, possibly the left back, unless he pulls his finger out of his arse, Petrov needs replacing, we also need a third winger. Ireland out, for Adam. N'Zogbia in as the third winger. I'd like Luke Young to stay, Clark, Bent, Downing, Albrighton, Delph, Makoun all to stay. The rest can be replaced over the next two years or so in my opinion.
When you put it like that you kind of realise how much shit we could be in unless a large investment or very shrewd signings are made.
NEED:
Goalkeeper
Centre back
Left back
Right back
2 x midfield
Winger
...and god help us if Bent gets injured.
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I actually think it'd be worth re-signing Carew for a year. I think McLeish is very much like O Neill as a manager and could get the best out of him. Get him playing at his best as often as MON managed to coax and you've got yourself 15 goals extra next season IMO. On his day he could be a hell of a foil for Bent too.
In terms of getting rid. Heskey should go because his wages are too high and he's too old now. Beye should go too. Other than that, I'd keep the rest and see how they do under McLeish. If only because our squad is so small anyway. We need 4-5 in just to make a decent 25 man squad.