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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: richardhubbard on June 11, 2011, 03:25:02 PM
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Within Villa's board who do they have who got experience of football networking?
The reason I ask this is that when Lerner walked into villa MON was already in place and Steve Stride was on board in a senior position.
Steve Stride retires and current senior team lead by Paul Faulkner came on board in recent years.
MON walks out and it takes 7 weeks to get GH on board .
GH becomes ill on 20th April and leaves 2 weeks ago and we dont seem to have plan B
Friedel walks away to Spurs, Ashley Young appears to have gone to Man United and we still dont seem to have any one lined up
Surely we need a Gary Cook (got forbid) style senior figure who well networked within football?
I not critising the guys who are on board, but Fulham appointed in Jol in 2 days, we missed out on Hughes last summer.
We just seem sloww to react
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Don't worry Richard, Gregnash is running the show.
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CD If he runs the show I becoming a Chelsea fan
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I put it down to the way we do things rather than the speed we react. Unless i mis-read it, whelan received a written letter in the post asking to speak to Martinez. wtf?! Is it 1950? Sorry, but if every other club is sounding out managers before they approach their clubs then thats what we should do, if only to save time and avoiding public knock-backs. It's one thing acting honourably, its another operating with one arm tied behind your back.
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My point exactly. Steve Stride was a footballing man, knew all there was to know about Villa, from the top to the bottom. Ive mentioned this on previous posts but I really think the appointment of Paul Faulker is a mistake that I think Doug would not of made.
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It's glaringly obvious that they're missing someone with football know-how (and we all know where they can find one) but to compare us to Fulham is misleading. All they had to do was ring Jol and say "Changed your mind?"
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What happened to make that Fitzgerald fellow leave? I'd forgotten about him.
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What happened to make that Fitzgerald fellow leave? I'd forgotten about him.
Fell out with O'Neill.
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What happened to make that Fitzgerald fellow leave? I'd forgotten about him.
Fell out with O'Neill.
How come we've got any staff left at Villa Park then?
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Friedel walks away to Spurs, Ashley Young appears to have gone to Man United and we still dont seem to have any one lined up
I don't see this sentence as relevant in the context of your question, Richard. Friedel was out of contract and the management and Board obviously decided that they couldn't offer what he wanted. AY - well, we know: he's now going to be paid £130k a week and will get Chumps Lge footie; we can't compete.
You other points are valid. tho'.
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I would add that I'm sure PF will have excellent networking skills: it'd be a key criterion of the job.
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I would add that I'm sure PF will have excellent networking skills: it'd be a key criterion of the job.
He must be either the worst or the unluckiest CEO of all time.The change in fortunes at the club since he took up the reins is astonishing.
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Maybe our new manager's been put in the post back to us. Just as soon as someone finds the 'while you were out' card, we can nip down the nearest Post Office and pick him up.
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I would add that I'm sure PF will have excellent networking skills: it'd be a key criterion of the job.
He must be either the worst or the unluckiest CEO of all time.The change in fortunes at the club since he took up the reins is astonishing.
Can't disagree!
What actually is his background? - doing a quick tinterweb search hasn't really thrown anything up that gives an insight into his background and experience.
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I would thought Des Bremner could be ideal for a footballing person on board. He work for PFA and got business expertise and won a cup in 1982 :)
Just a suggestion.
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The OP is a fair one.
I am 100% behind Randy, but the lack of "boots on the ground" football knowledge at Board level is frightening with Faulkner hoplessly out of his depth.
A David Dein, Peter kenyon, Brian Barwick figure to be the day to day face of the Club would make a huge difference.
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Doug was a wily old fox who, for all his name-dropping, did actually know the movers and shakers that mattered. Working for him was Steve Stride, who had been at Villa Park man-and-boy, so was immersed in the workings of the club and the football world and knew which levers to pull to get things done. .
We now have a mostly absentee Chairman, who is keen to do things the right way, which is laudable, but not how this particular line of business is known to work. The day-to-day running of club is with Paul Faulkner, who reminds me of a candidate on The Apprentice, whose CV is outwardly impressive, but doesn't quite seem to be able to transfer those skills into the situation that he has now been thrust and is melting down under the full glare of media exposure.
As much as I really appreciate much of what Randy has done, the lack of a more visceral understanding in the board room of the football world, I don't believe is doing us any favours.
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I would add that I'm sure PF will have excellent networking skills: it'd be a key criterion of the job.
He must be either the worst or the unluckiest CEO of all time.The change in fortunes at the club since he took up the reins is astonishing.
Can't disagree!
What actually is his background? - doing a quick tinterweb search hasn't really thrown anything up that gives an insight into his background and experience.
Relationship Manager at MBNA.
There is a simple reason he is in charge IMO and that is that Randy needs a man on the ground who will do exactly what he wants.
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PF was basically Randy's Assistant wasn't he, it was also Faulkener who did all the research into which club to buy. A shortish career in "relationship management" doesn't seem to be the best qualification to be a CEO of a top Premiership football club though.
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I know a few bods who's business acumen I respect who have met Faulkner. They all say he's as bright as a button and none of them view him as the bumbling baffoon he's made out to be on here.
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I know a few bods who's business acumen I respect who have met Faulkner. They all say he's as bright as a button and none of them view him as the bumbling baffoon he's made out to be on here.
Don't think it's like that at all, more so, he isn't a football man.
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When things aren't going absolutely perfectly in football it used to be the chairman who got the blame. Now it's the CEO. That's the corporate world for you.
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I put it down to the way we do things rather than the speed we react. Unless i mis-read it, whelan received a written letter in the post asking to speak to Martinez. wtf?! Is it 1950? Sorry, but if every other club is sounding out managers before they approach their clubs then thats what we should do, if only to save time and avoiding public knock-backs. It's one thing acting honourably, its another operating with one arm tied behind your back.
I thought Whelan said he had received a request in writing. I must have missed the quote about it being received via Royal Mail. Do agree that we should not do everything by the book though and a little sounding out first wouldn't go a miss.
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I know a few bods who's business acumen I respect who have met Faulkner. They all say he's as bright as a button and none of them view him as the bumbling baffoon he's made out to be on here.
I don't for a minute doubt that he's anything other than a very good CEO from a business perspective. He's dropped one clanger though in that he should have a Stride type in place to assist him or at least to learn from.
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I put it down to the way we do things rather than the speed we react. Unless i mis-read it, whelan received a written letter in the post asking to speak to Martinez. wtf?! Is it 1950? Sorry, but if every other club is sounding out managers before they approach their clubs then thats what we should do, if only to save time and avoiding public knock-backs. It's one thing acting honourably, its another operating with one arm tied behind your back.
I thought Whelan said he had received a request in writing. I must have missed the quote about it being received via Royal Mail. Do agree that we should not do everything by the book though and a little sounding out first wouldn't go a miss.
Are you suggesting, Old Man Villa Fan, that a facsimile transmission apparatus may have been utilised?
Stuff and nonsense. Quill pen and envelope bearing the official seal are the instruments required for this important missive from the venerable institution of AVFC.
Shudda sorted it on Facebook innit. Or Skype.
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Or Twitta.
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I do think Villa are lacking some sort of ambassador who is recognised in the football world, a la Quinn at Sunderland rather than the fella at Man City.
What is Graham Taylor up to? He comes across as a pretty charming man when on TV and knows the game and club inside out.
If he is a bit old school and not SKY TV enough then I'd like to see Southgate given a role at the club. He has good media relations working as a pundit and journalist. He is currently at the FA in some sort of duel role as an ambassador between the FA and clubs trying to form better relationships whilst also working with Brooking strategically planning the youth set up. Basically ideal for Villa.
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I do think Villa are lacking some sort of ambassador who is recognised in the football world, a la Quinn at Sunderland rather than the fella at Man City.
What is Graham Taylor up to? He comes across as a pretty charming man when on TV and knows the game and club inside out.
If he is a bit old school and not SKY TV enough then I'd like to see Southgate given a role at the club. He has good media relations working as a pundit and journalist. He is currently at the FA in some sort of duel role as an ambassador between the FA and clubs trying to form better relationships whilst also working with Brooking strategically planning the youth set up. Basically ideal for Villa.
Sir Graham's Watford chairman. Southgate would be good.
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to be honest, after last years mess you would have thought we would have got this sorted
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I have a friend who knows Whelan very well. The impression I get is that he is the kind of man who, when asked via the new fangled telephonic communication system if we may speak to Bob Martins would reply irascibly "put it in writing".
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It's glaringly obvious that they're missing someone with football know-how
That might be unhelpful in a manager search. If we really approached Ancelotti and Benitez, I'd imagine that one of the first thoughts they'll have is: "Do these people know what they are talking about?" And if the answer isn't "yes", then they might not be too interested in the job.
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I do think Villa are lacking some sort of ambassador who is recognised in the football world, a la Quinn at Sunderland rather than the fella at Man City.
What is Graham Taylor up to? He comes across as a pretty charming man when on TV and knows the game and club inside out.
If he is a bit old school and not SKY TV enough then I'd like to see Southgate given a role at the club. He has good media relations working as a pundit and journalist. He is currently at the FA in some sort of duel role as an ambassador between the FA and clubs trying to form better relationships whilst also working with Brooking strategically planning the youth set up. Basically ideal for Villa.
sunderland are doing great arent they?? just because niall quinn sounds good on the telly and radio doesnt mean he has the business acumen that is required to be the best at his job!
I know how long randy had been metting mon to sort out the running of the club, i can therefore understand his due dilligence in appointing houllier. this due dilligence in appointing a new manager who fits our club will serve us right in the long term.
regards Niall Quinn. I have total admiration for him as a man, in fact my second boy is named after him due to my late irish mothers reverence of him! no personal slagging off there!
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Sorry. Fed up with this debate.
Mostly fed up with the constant critical attacck on the Club and its management considering the position we find ourselves in.
It takes time to make the corrrect decision. It takes time to resolve the massive problem management is confronted with.
How many of us have either suffered an interview or interviewed candidates for a job. We never know if we made the right decision until the next financial year. And then have to make a decision on whether the shortfall if any is short term. Or success the same. What, and blame their problem if any on the person WE employed?!
Let them get on with it. Forget the Press and their scantily clad opinions.
I have personally, (which means nothing) certain opinions but they are based on no knowledge whatsoever pertaining to the contracts, meetings and decisions that the Club are attempting to make.
I have, as a supporter, plenty of opinions but no powers. Love the debate for fun. But will leave the owners to their decision. I say : Ignore the Press except when necessary to protect the Club. Make progress against the short list.
They have done this and quickly.
And I trust them to do the job. After forty years of certain management at Aston Villa - with this lot- I actually do. I Trust them. Do what you feel is right is my message to this particular management group.
If certain members of this site consider that pejoritive to the doubters. Put your money in and buy the place. Or simply support those that did. Or more simply still - offer mature opinions.
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What is all this 'approaching a manager' and 'interview process' nonesense?
Surely for such a position Aston Villa should be HEADHUNTING potential managers? - It's simple.
Choose your Number 1 target, approach that club. By all means do it properly, but be a little more aggressive about it. If No1 target is then not availabe, you approach the next on your list.
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Paul, you are right. But isn't that what we are doing?
I mean Aston Villa must be one of the top twenty at least, managerial positions on the planet.
Take the German league, Spanish, Italian in fact all European and add the South American clubs. Then add financial return and cudos. Premier league is the aim.
Top Four so called- Alex aside, top six. Aston Villa won f... all for many years but but Christ we are ready. Stadium, support etc. We should be a special Club. Not a Man U but special for a manager. ( Who would want to take over from Sir Alex?). Special for a manager to give us the success we feel we deserve. A great opportunity.
I honestly do trust current management to solve this but simply cannot understand why we are not inundated with applications. Not because we are, or have been recently massively successful but because there is nothing to stop us being so. Ok Financials I agree but that is a case of creating the happy spiral. I mean what manager has anything to lose here? Any success is a bonus.
Why are we such a poisened chalice.? Paul- much as we like to think so, we are not one of the Golden Clubs and cannot attract the Jose's of the World but I am sure we will become one of them. Soon. With the right Manager.And correct management.
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I do think Villa are lacking some sort of ambassador who is recognised in the football world, a la Quinn at Sunderland rather than the fella at Man City.
What is Graham Taylor up to? He comes across as a pretty charming man when on TV and knows the game and club inside out.
If he is a bit old school and not SKY TV enough then I'd like to see Southgate given a role at the club. He has good media relations working as a pundit and journalist. He is currently at the FA in some sort of duel role as an ambassador between the FA and clubs trying to form better relationships whilst also working with Brooking strategically planning the youth set up. Basically ideal for Villa.
Sir Graham's Watford chairman. Southgate would be good.
Does it even need to be a Villa man? David Dein is doing nothing.
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Is David Dein actually a football man or has he just worked in football for a long time. As a replacement for Faulkner definitely yes, but personally I haven't a clue whether faulkner is good, or bad or whatever.
I suggested Southgate to complement Faulkner's skills rather than replace him. Plus the added bonus that he could assist with some footballing aspects.
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The Independent's take on why we're looking for a manager on the cheap (http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/why-villa-are-forced-to-look-for-their-new-boss-on-the-cheap-2296408.html)
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The Independent's take on why we're looking for a manager on the cheap (http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/why-villa-are-forced-to-look-for-their-new-boss-on-the-cheap-2296408.html)
Everything in the press and a lot written on here is pure speculation. What is annoying is so much is written as if they know.
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The Independent's take on why we're looking for a manager on the cheap (http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/why-villa-are-forced-to-look-for-their-new-boss-on-the-cheap-2296408.html)
I always look at the comments after such pieces, love this one, very clever:
"but ye, if da aston villa villainz want da team on da cheap den mark hugh aint dat man!!! it seem 2 Kstand dat him and him welshly mateys walk out da cottage finking dat da villa fellas say 'hugh!!! u got da nicey suit wiv da snmart trouser, come and manage da villainz and stand lookin smart in dem trouser in da villainz dugout!!' but no, dem say 'ye, u got da nicey trouser, but u also got da foolish mateys and u useless'. now hugh dont hav no job coz him da deludey fella, lol."
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Risso, u bin down wiv de boyz?
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Someone on here suggested Southgate, is that the same Southgate who left us for the mighty Middlesborough because we wernt good enough, no thank you.
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The Independent's take on why we're looking for a manager on the cheap (http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/why-villa-are-forced-to-look-for-their-new-boss-on-the-cheap-2296408.html)
I admit, that's the way I was thinking about last seasons summer transfer window, but the signings of Bent and Makoun for 30M kind of blows that theory out of the water. I think we all know our spending will be more conservative, Anyway, who really thinks 55m on Carroll and Henderson is going to give a better return on investment than Bent and Makoun. that article is telling us what we already know. So we won't have the transfer budget of citeh, Chelsea or manure. I still think Randy wants the same as us, we just have to get it the old fashioned way, by having a good manager.
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Steve Stride? Did he not help form the MK Dons?
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Steve Stride was a member of the three-man Football Association commission who in 2002 voted for Wimbledon F.C. to be allowed to relocate to Milton Keynes.
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Steve Stride? Did he not help form the MK Dons?
Being part of the three-man FA commission that made the decision that allowed Wimbledon to relocate to Milton Keynes is indeed a big blot on his copybook, but the fact that he was invited to be part of the process also says a great deal about his standing within the wider football community.
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The Independent's take on why we're looking for a manager on the cheap (http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/why-villa-are-forced-to-look-for-their-new-boss-on-the-cheap-2296408.html)
Oh no! It says Spurs have got a wage bill £20m higher than ours!
I think we were really unlucky not to make it to the Champions League under MON. A lot is made (and it's a fair point) of the injury crisis GH had to contend with. But IMO the injuries of Laursen and Bouma started the tailspin that did for O'Neill. Even Davies looked promising alongside Laursen before his achilles injury at Arsenal. All the money spent trying to replace them had a massive effect on both the transfer budget and the wage bill, and probably indirectly on the thinking of Barry and Milner too. Were it not for circumstances beyond our control (injuries and Man City) and one big mistake by MON, we could have lined up the last two seasons mostly thus:
Friedel
Cuellar
Laursen
Cahill
Bouma
Downing
Barry
Milner
A. Young
Gabby
Carew
Plus whoever else we'd have spent the money on that would not have been spent on Dunne, Collins, Shorey and Warnock.
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I do think Villa are lacking some sort of ambassador who is recognised in the football world, a la Quinn at Sunderland rather than the fella at Man City.
What is Graham Taylor up to? He comes across as a pretty charming man when on TV and knows the game and club inside out.
If he is a bit old school and not SKY TV enough then I'd like to see Southgate given a role at the club. He has good media relations working as a pundit and journalist. He is currently at the FA in some sort of duel role as an ambassador between the FA and clubs trying to form better relationships whilst also working with Brooking strategically planning the youth set up. Basically ideal for Villa.
Sir Graham's Watford chairman. Southgate would be good.
Ian Taylor works in an ambassadorial role for the club. Not sure if that's related to basic corporate meet and greet type stuff but he was out in Hong Kong at the youths tournament lately so he must spend a decent amount of time in this role.