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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Rigadon on June 10, 2011, 12:41:00 PM
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I'm not one for 'the media are against us' style rants, but the reporting of our situation has been a farce and a disgrace in equal measures. I don't remember such a blood thirsty approach to a club looking for a new manager, nor such prevalent comment about a clubs fans having 'unrealistic' ambitions for their club.
I'm sick of hearing how we should be ok with being an also ran. I'm equally as sick of hearing that villa aren't a step up from fucking Wigan. Why do writers and broadcasters have such a condescending attitude towards Aston villa?
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We can prove the media wrong by approaching, and appointing, a manager of genuine repute. Ancelotti may not be feasible but I see no reason why we couldn't appoint a Rijkaard, Van Gaal, Kinky Flowers or such like.
If we end up with Hughes or equal non-entity we will prove the media assertion that we are a mid-ranking, boring club as they keep telling us we are.
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Birmingham/the Midlands might as well be Outer Mongolia to them.
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We don't help ourselves. We give the impression of stumbling from one candidate to another even though behind the scenes I'm sure that's not the case.
Our PR department do not do the club any favours in my opinion.
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Its even worse when you live outside the region. People laugh at me when I tell then Villa are a much bigger club than Spuds. When we look at any measure history, trophys, gates its true. FACT.
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As someone once said - too big to be patronised, not big enough to be powerful. If Blackburn were after a new manager the nationals wouldn't bother because nobody outside east Lancashire cares about them. If it was Manchester United there wouldn't be one word of criticism because everyone is afraid of offending them. Chelsea have been looking longer than us and are no nearer than we are but nothing's being said about that.
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We are starting to look like the guy who cant get a date for the Graduation ball.
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The general bed wetting hysteria of our own cyber support doesn't appear to help. Its more fuel for the media fire.
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Love the way its reported that Martinez turned us down when in fact we hadn't even met the man.
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garrr so angry at the media bullshit, I can't even come up with something coherent to say...
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The general bed wetting hysteria of our own cyber support doesn't appear to help. Its more fuel for the media fire.
Agree with this 100%. Where did the dramatists strut their stuff before the internet?
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Water off a duck's back for me these days, though I used to get very annoyed - it has gone on for as long as I can remember. Even when we won the league, we got the same sort of treatment meeted out to us about how Ipswich deserved it etc. What is important to me is that we stick together on here and hold our nerve through this period of uncertainty. I value everyone's input on here, not the idiotic ramblings of people like that fat div scouser, Micky Quinn and some eye bulging ape on SSN...
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Water off a duck's back for me these days, though I used to get very annoyed - it has gone on for as long as I can remember. Even when we won the league, we got the same sort of treatment meeted out to us about how Ipswich deserved it etc. What is important to me is that we stick together on here and hold our nerve through this period of uncertainty. I value everyone's input on here, not the idiotic ramblings of people like that fat div scouser, Micky Quinn and some eye bulging ape on SSN...
Couldn't agree more
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Copied from the manager thread:
It's a PR disaster precisely because we've kept a dignified silence.
This leaves the media with no choice but to make stuff up and, in the case of Aston Villa, this will almost always be the most derogatory stuff imaginable.
So they gleefully portray a situation where we offer the job to a string of decreasingly capable canidates, who all knock us back, before staggering blindly onto the next one down the list.
It's all bollocks of course, but it's bollocks that portrays us in the worst possible light. Surely we need to employ a media expert who can manage them and give them soundbites without compromising what we are doing behind the scenes?
My bruv always says 'fuck the media' but if you view Aston Villa as a business, which on one level it is, what company in any business can afford to ignore bad press in the media?
No company, because it damages their image and hampers their efforts to attract sponsorship, investment and top employees.
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Talk Shite and in particularly the fat fecker that is Micky Quinn have been particularly nasty in their vitriol...
empty seats, no-one wants the job, all the players are leaving, never been a success, Villa fans are living in a dream world, not a big club, etc, etc.
I know I shouldn't listen but we do seem to be giving out this image that we do everything by the book and send letters of request to managers we may be interested with a little wax seal and a big bow on presumably hand delivered by a courier who is a perfect English gentleman.
I wish we wouldn't do everything by the book and just go out and get the bloke we all want, whatever it takes, by fair means or foul.
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The general bed wetting hysteria of our own cyber support doesn't appear to help. Its more fuel for the media fire.
Agree with this 100%. Where did the dramatists strut their stuff before the internet?
Holding those 'End Of The World Is Nigh' signs.
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Talk Shite and in particularly the fat fecker that is Micky Quinn have been particularly nasty in their vitriol...
empty seats, no-one wants the job, all the players are leaving, never been a success, Villa fans are living in a dream world, not a big club, etc, etc.
I know I shouldn't listen but we do seem to be giving out this image that we do everything by the book and send letters of request to managers we may be interested with a little wax seal and a big bow on presumably hand delivered by a courier who is a perfect English gentleman.
I wish we wouldn't do everything by the book and just go out and get the bloke we all want, whatever it takes, by fair means or foul.
The day we become Chelsea, I shall give it all up. And no, I don't even envy them the success they have had....
I love listening to Talkawholelottashite just to remind myself of the idiots who work in the football media these days
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I bet Martin Swain couldnt wait to get this printed.
http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/aston-villa-fc/2011/06/10/swains-take-on-martinezs-villa-snub/
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Seriously reconsidering my aspirations to get into the football media now. Will I turn into an ill-informed douche-bag too? On the other hand, looks like Villa need more media people on their side...
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I enjoy listening to talk sport but have become annoyed about the way some of their presenters talk about villa. Its an absolute disgrace IMO. People like mickey Quinn are all excitied just because Liverpool got King Kenny back and have suddenly splashed a few bob on some players. He knows nothing about villa and what we are about.
Its only June, not 1 week before the season starts. The media obviously never help with their made up and over exaggerated trash which people read into and make up their own interpretations of it.
I agree that Villa need to sort out the their media department and the moment some rubiish is printed, they need to come out and deny it or clarify it. The Metro have now made Mark Hughes favourite again after Martinez opted against coming to villa, instead to be loyal to Wigan and Dave Whelan which, IMO, is a good thing. At least we know there are still come loyal people in the game.
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As far as I can see, whelan came out yesterday and said he'd be holding Martinez to the extra year but that it was ok for villa to speak to him because they'd acted properly. WTF. So villa asked to speak to him about the possibility of an interview, found out that there wasn't any point and that is now widely being reported as Martinez turning us down. What utter, utter filth that rally is.
Sorry, the very idea that he's 'above' the villa job is quite frankly absurd, but in this alternative universe it's quite understandable.
We have mo money.
We as fans are deluded.
We are midtable and boring.
Martin o neill was our last and only hope if ever being a big club.
Is there anybody out there writing a positive peace free of lies and condescending bollocks?
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Nice guys never win anything or so the saying goes. Aston Villa whatever it is,seem to do everything by the book and are made to look foolish quite often. I did not want RM but to see Whelan get one over us and make it look as if he knew all along the guy was staying has just made us look small time. Is phil Mepham back in charge? Our pr is dreadful.
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The fact that he even bottled the interview showed that he just didn't have the bollocks to take the job on.
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As a club we have not helped ourselves at all in the last 18 months and any fan not recognising that, blaming the media, saying it is PR, that everyone is all against us and not recognising some key things about Villa currently is basically deluding themselves and unwilling to see the obvious.
Until that changes we will not move forward as a club.
Martinez did turn us down regardless of whether we met with him or not. He knew we were interested in talking to him, but he said no to us or else we would have met with him, ergo he turned us down.
Constantly trying to spin that (badly IMO) or ignoring where we are as a club is absolutely adding to the problems.
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We are starting to look like the guy who cant get a date for the Graduation ball.
This. We have lined up candidates and in some of these cases we seem to have been knocked back.
Besides we don't know if the media are right or not about some of their comments. They may have good sources close to the managers we have interviewed who have given them information in private. Just because we are keeping a 'dignified silence' doesn't mean they are.
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I bet Martin Swain couldnt wait to get this printed.
http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/aston-villa-fc/2011/06/10/swains-take-on-martinezs-villa-snub/
Not much , if anything, I disagree with in there.
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I think someone hit the nail on the head the other night.
Villa have been superb in this - haven't leaked a drop - very professional.
Sky make a hell of a lot of money via Sky bet - and Talk Sport via their association with Paddy Power - by reporting this the way they are doing, is earning them a fortune.
But the truth is - they know sod all !
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I bet Martin Swain couldnt wait to get this printed.
http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/aston-villa-fc/2011/06/10/swains-take-on-martinezs-villa-snub/
Not much , if anything, I disagree with in there.
Yet more sloppy journalism showing little understanding of what is happening in B6. RM was not offered the job merely the opportunity to be interviewed. This information was circulated by his Chairman and out of loyalty or perhaps an intelligent understanding of his own capabilities he declined this opportunity.
Sniping is something we get used to especially from the London centric media but when such articles are written on our doorstep it appears a litter more sinister and maybe hiding a more parochial anti Villa agenda!
I would wager Villa will begin next season in better order than you might imagine. 9th when in turmoil is a better achievement than the ‘messiah’ had achieved previously.
I cant understand why our fans buy into nonsense like that article!
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They know we asked Wigan to talk to Martinez.
They know that Martinez knew that as well
They also know that Martinez then said he wanted to stop at Wigan
What more is there to know? That is what they are reporting and looking to blame them for those facts is ignoring a few issues at the club.
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Nice guys never win anything or so the saying goes. Aston Villa whatever it is,seem to do everything by the book and are made to look foolish quite often. I did not want RM but to see Whelan get one over us and make it look as if he knew all along the guy was staying has just made us look small time. Is phil Mepham back in charge? Our pr is dreadful.
You see that's just the point - where are we made to look foolish?
The controlling arm of AVFC have done everything above board in all major decisions since they arrived.
The vitriol expressed by the media is an extension of a load of people who believe the only way to do business and suceed is to be an utter shit and not give a toss about anyone else.
Me, I prefer a little dignity and applaud AVFC for continuing to that trend - bollocks to the media, they know f**k all.
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I bet Martin Swain couldnt wait to get this printed.
http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/aston-villa-fc/2011/06/10/swains-take-on-martinezs-villa-snub/
Not much , if anything, I disagree with in there.
Yeah sure...Martinez actually said 'thanks but no thanks' did he?
It's a shit article, Liverpool disappearing over the horizon are they? No mention of how well we managed to salvage 9th spot when landed in such shit.
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I bet Martin Swain couldnt wait to get this printed.
http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/aston-villa-fc/2011/06/10/swains-take-on-martinezs-villa-snub/
Not much , if anything, I disagree with in there.
Yet more sloppy journalism showing little understanding of what is happening in B6. RM was not offered the job merely the opportunity to be interviewed. This information was circulated by his Chairman and out of loyalty or perhaps an intelligent understanding of his own capabilities he declined this opportunity.
Sniping is something we get used to especially from the London centric media but when such articles are written on our doorstep it appears a litter more sinister and maybe hiding a more parochial anti Villa agenda!
I would wager Villa will begin next season in better order than you might imagine. 9th when in turmoil is a better achievement than the ‘messiah’ had achieved previously.
I cant understand why our fans buy into nonsense like that article!
Well said. Some of the over-reactions on here and other forums is slightly embarrassing.
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I think someone hit the nail on the head the other night.
Villa have been superb in this - haven't leaked a drop - very professional.
Sky make a hell of a lot of money via Sky bet - and Talk Sport via their association with Paddy Power - by reporting this the way they are doing, is earning them a fortune.
But the truth is - they know sod all !
Spot on
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That manager will be a second choice and he and the players will know it.
Although he raises some interesting points, that is just the media twist on it and nothing else.
What I generally don;t like is the idea that one bad season in 5 is anything other than just that.
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We did have good PR previously, with the Acorns partnership and the generally picking British players thing. Ever since O'Neill walked a lot of that good grace from the media went down the swanny, with journalists only too eager to stick the boot in.
Coincidence?
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I know i shouldnt listen to the station,and i shouldnt let him annoy me,but when the rumour first broke about him staying at Wigan, Mick Quinn said its because' he can hold out and get a bigger job'. Bigger job??
If it wasn't for the last day of the season and West Ham being useless he'd be a Championship manager right now. I'm not having a go at Martinez,he seems a decent bloke,an its nice to see some loyalty still in the game. I dont like to use this anti villa line,but Quinn is,some of the things he said about GH were completely out of order.
Then on twitter,Darren Lewis was bringing up the old line about lack of funds for O'Neill. Can the tube not count.
Rant over.
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I know the media doesn't like us. Have it always be like that. What it is like in the 50s or before WWII.
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I bet Martin Swain couldnt wait to get this printed.
http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/aston-villa-fc/2011/06/10/swains-take-on-martinezs-villa-snub/
Not much , if anything, I disagree with in there.
Pretty accurate summary I reckon.
He does say we have had 50 days to try and get someone in, which obviously isnt true as we didnt know the extent of GH's healthe problems til recently.
But, you would have thought that a contingency plan would have been in place to be ready should he not be able to continue and accordingly not waste too much time getting a man in. Doesnt seem to be the case.
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Just do what the Americans and Jews do - label all criticism of the Villa as "anti-Midlands" or "anti-Birmingham" sentiment.
It should also be illegal for journalists to deny the European Cup win of 1982. League champion deniers should be tried in The Fort...
Too controversial?
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It's not hysterical and I'm not 'blaming the media' for what's happening. We don't know what's happening and neither do they (and above all else 'they' HATE that). That's the damn point!!
I'm commenting on the joyous but ultimately baseless ridicule currently being levelled at us as a club and as fans of the club.
It's beyond a joke now. National media outlets are all presenting Villa as some bumbling idiot of a club blindly bungling their way through an ever decreasing list of candidates who don't want the job. When, in actual fact, all they did was to seek permission to speak to Martinez to discuss it (ie interview him and see what he's made of). The Wigan chairman has played it all out in the press for some reason..... I wonder why. I guess it makes them look good.
Whoever we now end up with it will be reported that they were 10th choice and that we are a small time club with nothing going for it. I've read and heard commentators saying with a straight face that Villa aren't a step up from Wigan Athletic. I mean, that's really discreditable guff but it goes unopposed and unchallenged. Indeed, some Villa fans parrot it having lapped it up from agenda-driven journalists. As Dave mentions, Chelsea haven't employed anybody yet, are they in 'crisis'? No, apparently not.
I really do hope Villa surprise everyone, like they did with the Bent signing, and employ a manager of repute just to read the revisionism. Remember the whole Bent was a 'panic buy' while Carroll (£35m) was a masterstroke. It's just not fair is it?
Villa need to get somebody in who is irrefutably somebody a bizarrely hostile media didn't think we could get.
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Just laugh at it - when we appoint the manager - people will call them taking the pee - the same as in January when Micky "I am a big fat slob who lived in Hill End" Quinn said we had no money and had to sell players the day before we bought a 24m quid striker !
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Just laugh at it - when we appoint the manager - people will call them taking the pee - the same as in January when Micky "I am a big fat slob who lived in Hill End" Quinn said we had no money and had to sell players the day before we bought a 24m quid striker !
As Morrissey once sang, That joke's not funny any more.
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I know i shouldnt listen to the station,and i shouldnt let him annoy me,but when the rumour first broke about him staying at Wigan, Mick Quinn said its because' he can hold out and get a bigger job'. Bigger job??
If it wasn't for the last day of the season and West Ham being useless he'd be a Championship manager right now. I'm not having a go at Martinez,he seems a decent bloke,an its nice to see some loyalty still in the game. I dont like to use this anti villa line,but Quinn is,some of the things he said about GH were completely out of order.
Then on twitter,Darren Lewis was bringing up the old line about lack of funds for O'Neill. Can the tube not count.
Rant over.
He can't even blow his nose, never mind count...
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Imagine the back page headline:
"Villa quietly going about their business in a respectable manner to appoint a new manager."
Your just not going to see it, it's not what sells papers or creates attention. Much better then to print gossip, rumour and speculation about doom, gloom, trouble, strife and rejection. Much better then to make fact out of fiction and mountains out of molehills of truth. The problem is, people lap it up.
It's not particular to the Villa either, it happens to every club, really it's just a sad reflection of the state of much of our media these days, which in a way is a relection of society in general and those that support such media.
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really hope we have something up our sleeves regarding this new manager
i know people are having a go about the media and how they are reporting things but it cant all be the media's fault
some of the blame for this circus has to lie at our own door
i live in northern ireland and the papers over here dont excactly paint us in a great light over this and what axe would they have to grind with an English football club?
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The media in general have been a disgrace over the last week, but that fat fuck Quinn cannot hide his bitterness towards us, a hangover of having to play in our shadow at Coventry no doubt and his posh bumboy mate is no better.
Anyone calling today who wasn't hysterical and wishing to stick the knife in their own club, was patronised and cut off quick sharp so the smelly horse abuser could continue denigrating us.
Fucking pair of arseholes.
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just laugh at it all.
You can see it coming next week. If, which is probable, we unveil a manager we all (or vast majority) will be happy with - a top euro coach, an Ancelotti, a Moyes etc...
They will STILL have a go at us (taking Moyes for example) you can hear it now "Why on earth has he left Everton for Villa , sideways move, left one club without money who holds onto players for a club without money who sells players."
Just laugh - they are winning, they are winding Villa fans up to get them to call in , thus making them a fortune
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I normally would, but driving from Brum down to Wimborne, and then onto Poole, and then back home today, held up by Derek and Doris pulling caravans with a bastard Honda Jazz, and having power issues with the piece of crap I drive, I found my patience wearing thin.
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Love the way its reported that Martinez turned us down when in fact we hadn't even met the man.
Agree, but it's construed that way, Whelan made us look like eeejuts, not Martinez.
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Love the way its reported that Martinez turned us down when in fact we hadn't even met the man.
Agree, but it's construed that way, Whelan made us look like eeejuts, not Martinez.
Perhaps it was a smokescreen for appointing Hughes. If we just went ahead and got him after he resigned from Fulham we would be accused of tapping him up. This way, we go for Martinez, Whelan looks good for allowing him to speak to us, Martinez looks good for staying loyal to Wigan and we sign Hughes claiming that we weren't after Hughes because we went for Martinez first, and in the correct manner, which Dave Whelan made a point of stating. Everyone's a winner.
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The media in general have been a disgrace over the last week, but that fat fuck Quinn cannot hide his bitterness towards us, a hangover of having to play in our shadow at Coventry no doubt and his posh bumboy mate is no better.
Anyone calling today who wasn't hysterical and wishing to stick the knife in their own club, was patronised and cut off quick sharp so the smelly horse abuser could continue denigrating us.
Fucking pair of arseholes.
Was listening to that tosser Durham and brain dead Goughie on the way home what a load of bollocks but lets not let the truth get in the way of a good story.
When Durham was saying we could be relegation candidates next season I was so tempted to call in and bet him £50 with the proceeds going to the Acorns but what is the point we are just feeding their drivel by responding.
The ultimate response will be the appointment of the next Villa Manager and anyone who has got £200m invested is going to give that very thorough and careful consideration!
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Someone needs to remove Adrian Durham from TalkSport... actually no he doesn't, he needs to be removed from the radio all together.
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Love the way its reported that Martinez turned us down when in fact we hadn't even met the man.
Agree, but it's construed that way, Whelan made us look like eeejuts, not Martinez.
Perhaps it was a smokescreen for appointing Hughes. If we just went ahead and got him after he resigned from Fulham we would be accused of tapping him up. This way, we go for Martinez, Whelan looks good for allowing him to speak to us, Martinez looks good for staying loyal to Wigan and we sign Hughes claiming that we weren't after Hughes because we went for Martinez first, and in the correct manner, which Dave Whelan made a point of stating. Everyone's a winner.
Fuck me, what's in that San Mig you're drinking ??
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I normally have it on in my van , but Quinn was getting on my tits today .. he has a problem with Villa.. fook him and hes pies.. I even had shitty Radio 1 on instead ..
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Love the way its reported that Martinez turned us down when in fact we hadn't even met the man.
Agree, but it's construed that way, Whelan made us look like eeejuts, not Martinez.
Perhaps it was a smokescreen for appointing Hughes. If we just went ahead and got him after he resigned from Fulham we would be accused of tapping him up. This way, we go for Martinez, Whelan looks good for allowing him to speak to us, Martinez looks good for staying loyal to Wigan and we sign Hughes claiming that we weren't after Hughes because we went for Martinez first, and in the correct manner, which Dave Whelan made a point of stating. Everyone's a winner.
Fuck me, what's in that San Mig you're drinking ??
I'm sure there's a chat up line in there somewhere............
EDIT: I am actually drinking San Miguel at this very moment......Good guess. ;)
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I normally have it on in my van , but Quinn was getting on my tits today .. he has a problem with Villa.. fook him and hes pies.. I even had shitty Radio 1 on instead ..
Luckily, Fearn Cotton was off today or else I may have just thought "fuck it" and driven of a cliff.
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I normally have it on in my van , but Quinn was getting on my tits today .. he has a problem with Villa.. fook him and hes pies.. I even had shitty Radio 1 on instead ..
Luckily, Fearn Cotton was off today or else I may have just thought "fuck it" and driven of a cliff.
maybe shes gone for the Villa job ?
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:o
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The Club web-site is a disgrace. You'd never know, looking at it, that Villa had any sort of problem vis-a-vis its managership. All it seems to be interested in is selling its bloody season tickets - which I''m not buying, for one, anyway. Soddem.
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The Club web-site is a disgrace. You'd never know, looking at it, that Villa had any sort of problem vis-a-vis its managership. All it seems to be interested in is selling its bloody season tickets - which I''m not buying, for one, anyway. Soddem.
So maybe a front page splash of "It's All Gone To Shit, You'll Be Better Off Down The Bescot" would be better?
For fuck's sake stop panicking.
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The Club web-site is a disgrace. You'd never know, looking at it, that Villa had any sort of problem vis-a-vis its managership. All it seems to be interested in is selling its bloody season tickets - which I''m not buying, for one, anyway. Soddem.
So maybe a front page splash of "It's All Gone To Shit, You'll Be Better Off Down The Bescot" would be better?
For fuck's sake stop panicking.
Couldn't agree more. The club's position is spot on, they've calmly and clearly said what happened. They spoke to Whelan and they have not spoken to Martinez. It is not the club's job to run around like headless chickens responding to any old drama some bored journo dreams up.
What is highly irritating is Martinez being interviewed on SSN and being asked a number of times if he's spoken to Villa, and rather than saying he's not spoken, rattles on trying to create the impression he's a serious cookie. Twat.
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All it seems to be interested in is selling its bloody season tickets - which I''m not buying, for one, anyway. Soddem.
Funny, that, for a football cub in the close season.
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The Club web-site is a disgrace. You'd never know, looking at it, that Villa had any sort of problem vis-a-vis its managership. All it seems to be interested in is selling its bloody season tickets - which I''m not buying, for one, anyway. Soddem.
Do you realise that the "Official site" is so named because it runs "official" news. (Of which there is none). Do you expect them to lead with Kendrick's latest tweet or "where is mysteryman when you need him"?
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The Club web-site is a disgrace. You'd never know, looking at it, that Villa had any sort of problem vis-a-vis its managership. All it seems to be interested in is selling its bloody season tickets - which I''m not buying, for one, anyway. Soddem.
So maybe a front page splash of "It's All Gone To Shit, You'll Be Better Off Down The Bescot" would be better?
For fuck's sake stop panicking.
Couldn't agree more. The club's position is spot on, they've calmly and clearly said what happened. They spoke to Whelan and they have not spoken to Martinez. It is not the club's job to run around like headless chickens responding to any old drama some bored journo dreams up.
What is highly irritating is Martinez being interviewed on SSN and being asked a number of times if he's spoken to Villa, and rather than saying he's not spoken, rattles on trying to create the impression he's a serious cookie. Twat.
I saw that and got the impression that maybe he had spoken to us but didn't want to say?
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The Club web-site is a disgrace. You'd never know, looking at it, that Villa had any sort of problem vis-a-vis its managership. All it seems to be interested in is selling its bloody season tickets - which I''m not buying, for one, anyway. Soddem.
So maybe a front page splash of "It's All Gone To Shit, You'll Be Better Off Down The Bescot" would be better?
For fuck's sake stop panicking.
Couldn't agree more. The club's position is spot on, they've calmly and clearly said what happened. They spoke to Whelan and they have not spoken to Martinez. It is not the club's job to run around like headless chickens responding to any old drama some bored journo dreams up.
What is highly irritating is Martinez being interviewed on SSN and being asked a number of times if he's spoken to Villa, and rather than saying he's not spoken, rattles on trying to create the impression he's a serious cookie. Twat.
I saw that and got the impression that maybe he had spoken to us but didn't want to say?
Well, who gives a shit ?
Crisis, what crisis ??
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I don't watch Sky or listen to TalkShite or R5L during the close season and I just get my stuff from on here.
Is there are as much talk about the Chelsea job on them? I get the sensation from here that there is a lot about us but not a lot about them.
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The club have been quiet until they've needed something to say and that's the right thing to do.
I was wondering earlier though if maybe taking advice from or maybe having on board an old, wise head like Steve Stride would have been a good idea?
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I think there is a similarity between our position and that of the FA in its dealing with FIFA.
You try to retain some sort of correctness in your approach to the circumstances and the media attack you for not giving them the dumbed down sensation they crave.
They love individuals like Redknapp because his mouth fills the media mill race which turns the wheel of circulation. The fact that he is a man for whom the expression dodgy geezer could well have been coined is unimportant.
Villa attracts all this hostility the way a respectable woman in a street full of prostitutes does.
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i live in northern ireland and the papers over here dont excactly paint us in a great light over this and what axe would they have to grind with an English football club?
Northern Ireland.....MON
I believe I can see a reason, even if you can't
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I think there is a similarity between our position and that of the FA in its dealing with FIFA.
You try to retain some sort of correctness in your approach to the circumstances and the media attack you for not giving them the dumbed down sensation they crave.
They love individuals like Redknapp because his mouth fills the media mill race which turns the wheel of circulation. The fact that he is a man for whom the expression dodgy geezer could well have been coined is unimportant.
Villa attracts all this hostility the way a respectable woman in a street full of prostitutes does.
Applause. In fact, standing ovation.
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i cant wait till villa assign new manager and we can informsky and talk bolox how wrong they were!!!
i may even ring up those dicks at talk bollox as they really were putting the boot in from what i heard to day especially those fcuk wits durham and that cricket idiot.. insulting !!
and as for sky they proved yet again (like with transfer dealings) they know f all whats going on .. its embrassing for them really they have no idea and make stuff up
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Which ever way we spin it we have made ourselves look right muppets in this so called Martinez approach. Headlines are that Villa's number 1 choice turns down the job to stay at Wigan yes Wigan. Both Martinez and Whelan have less than truthful and gained as much as they possibly can out of this sordid episode.
The fact is that Martinez is a spineless character who was overwhelmed by challenge of the AV task and couldn't step up.
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Martinez turned it down because he's not stupid. It would have been a disaster for someone with no clout to come into our club and he's done us and himself a favour. Lerner should have realised that it was never on and the only embarrassment was he approached wigan in the first place.
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Martinez turned it down because he's not stupid. It would have been a disaster for someone with no clout to come into our club and he's done us and himself a favour. Lerner should have realised that it was never on and the only embarrassment was he approached wigan in the first place.
Sounds about right to me.
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yep the new manager has got to deal with Dunne, Collins Beye Warnock Ireland and the vacume of Young and maybe Downing going, not a job for the faint hearted
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i live in northern ireland and the papers over here dont excactly paint us in a great light over this and what axe would they have to grind with an English football club?
Northern Ireland.....MON
I believe I can see a reason, even if you can't
yip that would be right, everybody in northern ireland loves MON
i believe i can see a big hole in your argument, do you know anything about the history of this country?
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Villa attracts all this hostility the way a respectable woman in a street full of prostitutes does.
Well said Brian however I would like Villajk to confirm if she has ever been in this position and suffered the hostility as you mentioned?
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The club can't win.
If Hughes is to be our man, we (and the media) will have to wait till July to even approach him and, however much they wanted to, they can't comment before then. Hughes went out of his way to say that no-one had approached him- as is right and proper. Whelan fucked-up the Martinez business for us.
Other candidates have ruled themselves out (Moyes, Ancelotti) at least in public, so any deals must happen in secret, so again "No comment".
The fact is that it's silly-season where football's concerned and the media will print/broadcast/tweet absolutely ANY speculation as fact.
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Lets face facts! The club is in crisis! Irrespective of spending heavily on a proven striker we had a poor season by our standards and finished without any degree of tangible sucess. We are millions and millions in debt with spiralling wage costs putting our future in jeopardy, in fact without the billionaire owner we might be in administration already. Many of our players are past their prime and those who are not are being linked with moves away from the club! Our best player is probably leaving and we have STILL not confirmed a new manager whilst many of the big players in the league are spending heavily. We have been linked to managers of a similar ilk to those we are used to so its unlikely that we are going to really improve on recent seasons.
Depending on perspective and just how brainless or sensationalist I want to make the article I could be speaking about Villa or Chelsea in the usually sloppy generalised terms of most of the sporting media. They are creating the story as the club have not said a great deal and there isnt a lot else to write about.
We will get a manager commensury with the position / club. We will finish between 6th and 10th hopefully a cup run with a side comprising some new signings playing decent football with many players coming from our academy.
This may not be an exciting prediction but it can be backed up by much of our recent history.
Crisis! What crisis? Ignore the media, they are c£$%" who invariably peddle ignorant nonsense.
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Randy has been absolutley slaughted in the Daily Star this morning and let off lightly in The Sun i thought. We're not coming across that well at the moment, not that it matters that much, although if Randy was to pull a pleasant surprise out of the hat, it would be very nice.
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the meeja know fuck all, and they dont like it so invent shit to spoonfeed the moronic braindead general public zombies who cant think for themselves and then regurgitate the meejas nonsense as their own gospel latest opinion...
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Lets face facts! The club is in crisis!
Sorry but i fail to see how the few "facts" that you go on to state add up to the club being in crisis, without that is adding a large dose of negative supposition and whipping yourself into a self induced hysteria.
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Lets face facts! The club is in crisis!
Sorry but i fail to see how the few "facts" that you go on to state add up to the club being in crisis, without that is adding a large dose of negative supposition and whipping yourself into a self induced hysteria.
Read the whole post. It's a spoof.
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Lets face facts! The club is in crisis!
Sorry but i fail to see how the few "facts" that you go on to state add up to the club being in crisis, without that is adding a large dose of negative supposition and whipping yourself into a self induced hysteria.
Read the whole post. It's a spoof.
Erm, my post was a post ironic spoof on a spoof then! :-[
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The media throw a name in as the man we want and when it doesn't happen within 24 hours they then report that he's turned us down. The only thing we know for a fact is Martinez declined to speak to us and we only know that because his boss decided to make it public to suit his own agenda. As for Martinez decision showing us in a negative light, do you not think it was more to do with the fact that he guessed he wasn't favourite/first choice so didn't want to ruin his relationship with Wigan fans by kicking off next season as the man who went for another job and failed to get it.
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Lets face facts! The club is in crisis!
Sorry but i fail to see how the few "facts" that you go on to state add up to the club being in crisis, without that is adding a large dose of negative supposition and whipping yourself into a self induced hysteria.
Read the whole post. It's a spoof.
Erm, my post was a post ironic spoof on a spoof then! :-[
Quality :)
The media throw a name in as the man we want and when it doesn't happen within 24 hours they then report that he's turned us down. The only thing we know for a fact is Martinez declined to speak to us and we only know that because his boss decided to make it public to suit his own agenda. As for Martinez decision showing us in a negative light, do you not think it was more to do with the fact that he guessed he wasn't favourite/first choice so didn't want to ruin his relationship with Wigan fans by kicking off next season as the man who went for another job and failed to get it.
I think RM has made the right decision. He might go on to become a quality manager but at the moment he is better off staying at a club where he has excellent working relationships and learning his trade properly. The hysteria is media driven.
He could take the Villa job, fail and cost himself similar or better opportunities in the future. He is a young man and I am yet to read anywhere (from the club) that he was our first choice. I think we conducted 5 interviews last time then went for GH. I am sure the process will be similar this time.