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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: nico2708 on June 08, 2011, 09:09:51 AM

Title: king carlos
Post by: nico2708 on June 08, 2011, 09:09:51 AM
looks like another one wants too leave


CARLOS CUELLAR last night opened the door to a stunning return to Rangers by insisting he is "excited" by the prospect of signing for Ally McCoist.

 FULL STORY  (http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/football/spl/rangers/2011/06/08/rangers-target-carlos-cuellar-i-loved-my-time-at-ibrox-and-i-d-love-to-go-back-86908-23187560/)
Title: Re: king carlos
Post by: CJ on June 08, 2011, 09:27:06 AM
Transfer thread?  Anyway........ Real shame. Thought Cuellar was really hard done by under Houllier.  Regardless of how badly the chuckle brothers played Carlos never got a real look in.
Title: Re: king carlos
Post by: Mazrim on June 08, 2011, 09:27:11 AM
As if anybody is excited by the prospect of signing for Ally McCoist... or going to Scotland at all come to think of it.
Title: Re: king carlos
Post by: PaulTheVillan on June 08, 2011, 09:28:53 AM
Do Rangers have any money?

I think if he leaves it'll be for a Spanish club.
Title: Re: king carlos
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on June 08, 2011, 09:32:39 AM
This is why I take Bent's 'I love it at Villa' remarks with a mountain of salt.
It was only a few weeks ago that Carlos was beating himself off over the club and saying how happy he was.

Doesn't say a lot for him if he doesn't want to try and prove himself to the new Manager and play regularly in the most popular League in the world.

Maybe he just wants the easy life in Scotland.
Title: Re: king carlos
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on June 08, 2011, 09:33:55 AM
Do Rangers have any money?


Not a lot, but they have some transfer funds due to their recent takeover.
Title: Re: king carlos
Post by: Matt C on June 08, 2011, 09:34:05 AM
Out injured anyway for a few months isn't he? Can't imagine he'll be leaving this transfer window.
Title: Re: king carlos
Post by: Mazrim on June 08, 2011, 09:35:09 AM
He probably just wants to play in fairness. He was under used last season and under used as centre half at Villa full stop.
Title: Re: king carlos
Post by: *shellac* on June 08, 2011, 09:37:11 AM
I don't blame him.  If it's true.  But please, Rangers?
Title: Re: king carlos
Post by: TimTheVillain on June 08, 2011, 09:47:19 AM
£5 million and bye bye - he can't pass for toffee.

Title: Re: king carlos
Post by: The Adventurer on June 08, 2011, 09:53:22 AM
£5 million and bye bye - he can't pass for toffee.

So exactly why did we buy him??? I personally wish him all the best,obviously just wants to play football & it doesn't look like he's going to be doing that with us!! If people rate Dunne & Collins better than you then its definitely time to move on!!
Title: Re: king carlos
Post by: Ger Regan on June 08, 2011, 09:58:29 AM
He was only under-used if you assume he was fully fit for the season, which doesn't appear to have been the case.
Title: Re: king carlos
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 08, 2011, 10:05:02 AM
Another indicator of the enormous amount of work for the new manager to do at Villa this summer, and the need to start doing it quickly.

Things really are very, very messy at the moment.
Title: Re: king carlos
Post by: Simon Ward on June 08, 2011, 10:10:44 AM
The uncertainty is stalling any progress again!
Title: Re: king carlos
Post by: Can Gana Be Bettered!?!? on June 08, 2011, 10:35:46 AM
Personally, I'd rather Cuellar and Clark than Dunne and Collins. Cuellar has never had a fair crack as a centre-back, which is what we signed him on the back of.
Title: Re: king carlos
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on June 08, 2011, 10:36:41 AM
How long has he got left on his contract?

Disappointed but there we go
Title: Re: king carlos
Post by: UsualSuspect on June 08, 2011, 10:39:26 AM
Personally, I'd rather Cuellar and Clark than Dunne and Collins. Cuellar has never had a fair crack as a centre-back, which is what we signed him on the back of.

Agree 100%

that fat c*** Dunne should be first out of the door when our new manager is appointed. He is however yet another player we are going to lose millions on
Title: Re: king carlos
Post by: JJ-AV on June 08, 2011, 10:40:01 AM
He'll see this season out and go on a free next year, I reckon.

Another £8m wasted.
Title: Re: king carlos
Post by: Concrete John on June 08, 2011, 10:46:38 AM
Personally, I'd rather Cuellar and Clark than Dunne and Collins. Cuellar has never had a fair crack as a centre-back, which is what we signed him on the back of.

Agree 100%

that fat c*** Dunne should be first out of the door when our new manager is appointed. He is however yet another player we are going to lose millions on

In 2009/2010 he rightly wasn't playing at CB and Collins and Dunne were great together.  In 2010/2011 he should have been playing more due to their poor form.

I like him and want him to stay, but if he goes he goes and I don't think he'll be hugely hard to replace.
Title: Re: king carlos
Post by: Outcast2006 on June 08, 2011, 11:14:03 AM
Good player who should have appeared more than he did.  I think he was frustrated by Houllier and always performed well when picked IMO

Doubt he will go in the summer due to his injury but may very leave in January
Title: Re: king carlos
Post by: darren woolley on June 08, 2011, 11:27:56 AM
I would like Carlos to stay I think we need him more than we need Dunne or Collins I would be sad if he were to go.
Title: Re: king carlos
Post by: Mazrim on June 08, 2011, 11:30:31 AM
He was only under-used if you assume he was fully fit for the season, which doesn't appear to have been the case.

Really? He seemed to be available to play for most of the season but didn't. Where are you are you getting the unfit thing from?
Title: Re: king carlos
Post by: paul_e on June 08, 2011, 11:37:26 AM
Well the fact that he had an operation that had been on hold for a couple of months within a few days of the season finishing suggests he wasn't fully fit.

Also from reading this I don't think there is anything to suggest he's going.  Reads to me like he was asked 'would you come back to rangers if villa agreed to sell?' and he replied by saying yes and then gushing about how much he enjoyed being there before.
Title: Re: king carlos
Post by: Mazrim on June 08, 2011, 11:40:33 AM
He could have played more games than he did. A lot of players have operations for long term niggles but they can still play.
Why have him on the bench so often if he wasn't available to play?
The truth is he was behind Collins and Dunne in the pecking order. Probably harshly at times.
Title: Re: king carlos
Post by: Ger Regan on June 08, 2011, 11:40:55 AM
Really? He seemed to be available to play for most of the season but didn't. Where are you are you getting the unfit thing from?
The fact that he put off surgery until the end of the season to cover for other injured centre backs. Granted I'm speculating, but I don't think it's too wild an assumption that the injury wasn't bad enough to rule him out completely (and thereby providing cover in emergencies), but was bad enough for him not to be considered a first choice starter. I just find that theory more believable than GH not rating him at all. It could also be somewhere in the middle.
Title: Re: king carlos
Post by: TimTheVillain on June 08, 2011, 12:07:41 PM
MON's oppression with 'bargains' from north of the border backfired.

Cuellar isn't a really bad player, but he sure isn't that good either.

I want to see our centre backs being able to integrate with the midfield - being Spanish you'd have thought Carlos' passing would have been better, but it's too 'anywhere will do' or just plain inaccurate for my liking.

Title: Re: king carlos
Post by: Chipsticks on June 08, 2011, 12:38:26 PM
A fantastic player that I've always thought should've been in our first team over Dunne/Collins, can't blame him for leaving but I sincerely believe he could do better than a return to Ibrox.
Title: Re: king carlos
Post by: pooligan on June 08, 2011, 01:26:12 PM
Hope he stays as i think he is a decent player and felt he was unfairly treated last season,but as with any player,if he is not happy at the club let him go ,we will find someone to take his place
Title: Re: king carlos
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 08, 2011, 01:37:57 PM
This is why I take Bent's 'I love it at Villa' remarks with a mountain of salt.
It was only a few weeks ago that Carlos was beating himself off over the club and saying how happy he was.

Doesn't say a lot for him if he doesn't want to try and prove himself to the new Manager and play regularly in the most popular League in the world.

Maybe he just wants the easy life in Scotland.

I think that's very unfair on Carlos, Fletch. The bloke loves it at the Villa, just as he loved his time at Rangers. He has no idea what's going on and until we have a manager it will stay that way. He's been nothing but a model pro during his time here and today is no different. He's obviously just answered questions from the Scottish press.
Title: Re: king carlos
Post by: usav on June 08, 2011, 01:40:11 PM
Anyway........ Real shame. Thought Cuellar was really hard done by under Houllier. 

O'Neill never played him either and he was the one who bought him!
Title: Re: king carlos
Post by: MoetVillan on June 08, 2011, 04:16:46 PM
ONeill never played him?  What?  Maybe not as a CB but he was an "invincible" at RB under MON
Title: Re: king carlos
Post by: TheSandman on June 08, 2011, 04:44:49 PM
Do we really blame him for wanting out?

Title: Re: king carlos
Post by: TaxDodger on June 08, 2011, 04:50:42 PM
In my opinion he's our best centre half. It would be silly to sell him now, the new manager may well like him.
Title: Re: king carlos
Post by: The Left Side on June 08, 2011, 04:55:28 PM
Looks like his head has been turned as well, I suppose the appeal of Champions League will do that.
Title: Re: king carlos
Post by: l_mckay on June 08, 2011, 05:19:09 PM
maybe he will stay if we get Rafa in as manager!
Title: Re: king carlos
Post by: eamonn on June 08, 2011, 06:33:39 PM
The reason he still can't speak much English is the poor fucker didn't have a clue what was being said when he arrived in Glasgow from Spain.
Title: Re: king carlos
Post by: Ray Graydon on June 08, 2011, 10:19:53 PM
I agree with a couple of the posts he has been a model pro at Villa & been badly under used when we have needed to drop Dunne to improve our back four.

I just hope the new manager persuades him to stay & gives him a fair run in the first team at centre half, but if things don't work out then Carlos can definately do better than Rangers
Title: Re: king carlos
Post by: madirishvillain on June 09, 2011, 11:05:47 PM
rangers have no money, even after the takeover (the fakeover as both Celtic and a lot of rangers fans over here are calling it)

they have a big tax case decision coming soon, so they will be selling rather than buying

i think that cheeky chappy mccoist wants Cueller on a loan deal  ;D
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