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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: holtepaul on June 06, 2011, 06:22:30 PM
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Well as someone said on the managers thread - it seems the one thing everyone is unanimous on - so lets find out if that is the case.
FWIW - my vote goes to - I won't accept it.
I was all for giving up my ST going into May. The upturn in form, and the rumours of maybe better things have swayed me to probably renew at the moment. But if it is Mr McLaren - forget it, I will see it that the club has took the pee.
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Very let down.
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I would be bitterly disappointed. I would also question the logic of getting rid of Houllier.
We've had an awful season, we look set to lose our best player for the third consecutive year, morale is low and then we go out and appoint the most unpopular and uninspiring manager possible? Surely it can't happen.
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Do you really need to start another thread?
However, I'm not the sort of drama queen that needs to make a song and dance about buying a ticket.
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Thick, ignorant, laughing stock and not a very good managerial record.
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Wouldn't be at all happy but no way in the world would I not renew. I support the Villa through thick and - in the case of Wally's hairline - thin.
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In answer to "do we really need another thread"
My answer is quite obviously yes.
Do you know why.
Because the notion of employing Steve McLaren was so ridiculous a week ago, he isn't even in the original "who do you want" poll !!!
And as I said, its to see how everyone would feel if this "one guy" got the job. Not who they think is best, but if this one guy gets it, no matter what / who is available.
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If news of his appointment was on Midlands Today, i'd put my foot through the TV and send the bill to Randy Lerner!
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Deeply disappointed and devastated- with such options as Benitez and Hughes available it would send out a hugely negative message of lack of ambition.
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Don't really see the point in this thread, at all. We can discuss him in the other threads.
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To say 'I wouldn't renew' if McLaren is appointed is a joke.
We support the club first and foremost.
I'd hope he could make us eat our words and do a good job.
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I'm Villa til I die, not til it suits me.
I'd support him and give him a fair chance.
His managerial record isn't as bad as people keep saying, and although he'd be a completely uninspiring choice there is no way I'd turn my back on the club and him. He -could- do a good job here, but he'd need our support.
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I'd question the logic of Lerner and start to have doubts about the direction we would be going under the current board, but I'd ultimately give him a chance. It's not Mclaren's fault that we're all so underwhelmed by him.
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It would be interesting to hear what the Boro fans think of him. It could be the case that the press crucified him (just like they did a certain Graham Taylor) but that they still like him up there just as I still hold Graham Taylor in high regard.
That is only a thought mind. I don't like him myself
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I would buy my season ticket and not use it. Faithful unto death but not stupid.
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To add to this; if McClaren wasn't McClaren and was named Julio McExotic and had been assistant at Real Madrid, then managed a small side and won a cup, then managed a national side and failed - but then moved to Twente and won the league then there'd be less negativity. The negativity all stems from it being Steve McClaren, not his track record or his ability.
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As one of this site's eminent drama queens, I'd vomit into my Gucci handbag and stick my stiletto through a footman's eye socket.
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Sadly, the brolly and fake Dutch accent incidents have done him no favours at all.
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To add to this; if McClaren wasn't McClaren and was named Julio McExotic and had been assistant at Real Madrid, then managed a small side and won a cup, then managed a national side and failed - but then moved to Twente and won the league then there'd be less negativity. The negativity all stems from it being Steve McClaren, not his track record or his ability.
I think you're right, and that may be why he adopted the Dutch accent to become, drum roll................ Stevieo McExotico!!
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I'd be gutted, because we would be stuck in mid table mediocrity for years.
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Given the mass hysteria over his mere mention, I'd probably join the rest of you in a Guyanan jungle commune and then drink the 'happy juice'
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I honestly don't think it would be disastrous. Sure, I would much rather have an Ancelotti, Van Gaal or Rijkaard as i strongly believe anything other than a big european name could only consolidate us as the top 6/7 feeder club that we are. We need to start acting bigger than that. Hughes, Martinez, Jol etc would keep us as we are. If people are happy with that then fine. But i'd rather have a go and fail, than never give it a shot at all and just simply exist as we are. McLaren would be better than Hughes. Other than England his record really is quite good. Add to that the length of time he was number 2 to Alex Ferguson, and the experiences of managing internationally and abroad, he should be reasonably clued up by now....
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I would not be happy but would reluctantly back him.
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Given the mass hysteria over his mere mention, I'd probably join the rest of you in a Guyanan jungle commune and then drink the 'happy juice'
Um Bongo laced with Absinthe would be a perfectly acceptable alternative.
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Judging by the club's past 'let's go by whatever Villa fans say on the website' formula, we have no fears about him being appointed.
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This anti-McLaren bandwagon is almost as embarrassing as the March for Carlito movement
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I honestly don't think it would be disastrous. Sure, I would much rather have an Ancelotti, Van Gaal or Rijkaard as i strongly believe anything other than a big european name could only consolidate us as the top 6/7 feeder club that we are. We need to start acting bigger than that. Hughes, Martinez, Jol etc would keep us as we are. If people are happy with that then fine. But i'd rather have a go and fail, than never give it a shot at all and just simply exist as we are. McLaren would be better than Hughes. Other than England his record really is quite good. Add to that the length of time he was number 2 to Alex Ferguson, and the experiences of managing internationally and abroad, he should be reasonably clued up by now....
I don't think he'd be better than Hughes, Martinez or Jol myself. I think all 3 of those have their merits and would prefer any of them although I can see what you are saying.
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It would be disasterous. Before we had even played a game under him, we would have gone backwards. Fans would be waiting to pounce, players would see it as a negative step and the press would bill it as part of us reducing costs. I would fear for the man if he came in.
Luckily, our chairman is RL and I dont think there is a cat in hells chance of it happening. Randy knows who he wants and he will go and get him. Personally, I have a sneaky feeling it will be Moyes, but the dreamer in me says King Louis (Van Gaal).
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I think I'd prefer McClaren over Jol. I just have a bad feeling about Jol.
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Ooh, I'd probably burn my annuals and programme collection (going back to 1979 when I was 6), my replica tops going back to Mita 83/4, never visit Villa Park ever again and probably start supporting that nice team from down the road with the lovely blue kit.
Tch.
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Not happy - better out there , but I will give him time.
I think there is a good coach in there, he did very well in Holland.
He just made a total tit out of himself with the umbrella.
From his point of view, this would be an excellent chance to get back into the game.
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It was raining, he used an umbrella.. seems normal.
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This anti-McLaren bandwagon is almost as embarrassing as the March for Carlito movement
I'm going to walk around with a brolly tomorrow to show my displeasure. I'll even put it up if it rains.
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i personaly think McClaren is a better coach than Moyes and Hughes, as they are a couple of won nothing done nothings,
but theres no way Randy could appoint him as the backlash would be very damaging for Villa
i cant criticize the posters who wouldnt go to watch with Mclaren in charge, because i felt the same way in the new year when Allardyce was touted for the post.
i can honestly say i wouldnt bother going if we had anti football manager at VP like Big Sam or Pullis, i would take McClaren 10 times over than one of that pair of hoof merchants.
so i breath more easily now he's turned up at Weast Ham, but i trust in Randy 100% and i'm sure we have nothing to worry about
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If news of his appointment was on Midlands Today, i'd put my foot through the TV and send the bill to Randy Lerner!
Something along the lines of this. Criticising people for citing that they would no longer renew etc is all very well, but it is the most effective way to show dissatisfaction with a decision. I would not be at VP anyway next season much for financial reasons, but the incentive to save and go to selected games would be seriously diminished, and I can understand those that would not want to go and watch his side. We beat them 4-0 at their place. February 4 - Middlesbrough supporters call for McClaren to be sacked during 4-0 home defeat to Aston Villa. 3 months later he was appointed England boss. Baffling decision then, and even more baffling if we appoint him. Shit manager with 1 good season in Holland, clearly due to his ability to learn the language. Please. God. No.
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I would feel the wind through my hair after leaping off "hells mouth".
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This anti-McLaren bandwagon is almost as embarrassing as the March for Carlito movement
I'm going to walk around with a brolly tomorrow to show my displeasure. I'll even put it up if it rains.
Ik zal ook protest en zoals McClaren zal ik morgen alleen in het Nederlands spreken. Ik ben helemaal ontevreden. In feit zal ik maar woedend worden.
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It was raining, he used an umbrella.. seems normal.
Unfortunatly a lot of people are too stupid to realise this and therefore just go along with the backlash without much thought. I am not keen on him - just something about him that doesn't seem convincing - but I'd rather have him come in, have a go and see what happens than just reel off all the negative clichés without seeing what he's capable of. Not my first choice but rather him than Moyes.
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McLaren was a highly regarded coach at Derby and Manchester United, and that was some achievement to win the Dutch League with Twente. Balanced against that, his record at Middlesbrough given the financial backing he received was disappointing, and his spell as England manager is best forgotten.
Overall, I'm sorry but I'm shallow. I just don't like his smug face, his ridiculous hair or any of his accents.
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This anti-McLaren bandwagon is almost as embarrassing as the March for Carlito movement
I'm going to walk around with a brolly tomorrow to show my displeasure. I'll even put it up if it rains.
Ik zal ook protest en zoals McClaren zal ik morgen alleen in het Nederlands spreken. Ik ben helemaal ontevreden. In feit zal ik maar woedend worden.
What he said.
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I wouldn't be thrilled with the appointment but I would still support Villa and hope somebody came up to me at the end of the season and said "now don't you feel silly" as we hold aloft a trophy (and of course we are not relegated).
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It's the kind of appointment that would give everyone a good laugh. Unless you're a Villa fan that is. Hard to imagine a bigger disaster than appointing McClaren.
As for the post above. Call me stupid then. Because he looked an absolute baffoon stood there like a statue with a fucking umbrella while Slaven Billic kicked every ball on the touchline for his team. And they'd already qualified.
Does anyone genuinely want this joke of a man managing Aston Villa?
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Pissed off but hey that comes with following The Villa.
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The more I think about it, the more I believe Benitez will be appointed. Yes, he's eccentric, unpopular among some and not exactly media savvy. And past records aren't everything, but if you compare his CV with that of McClaren or Hughes, then it's a knockout, and it would be strange if the board didn't realize this.
It's a shame (if) we are excluding managers without PL experience. I agree that PL experience is an advantage, but a process that leads us to reject van Gaal automatically while seriously considering McClaren has a flaw somewhere.
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It's the kind of appointment that would give everyone a good laugh. Unless you're a Villa fan that is. Hard to imagine a bigger disaster than appointing McClaren.
As for the post above. Call me stupid then. Because he looked an absolute baffoon stood there like a statue with a fucking umbrella while Slaven Billic kicked every ball on the touchline for his team. And they'd already qualified.
Does anyone genuinely want this joke of a man managing Aston Villa?
That umberella incident was one game. But it seems that it's the only thing a lot of people seem interested in... To me it seems bizarre that people can't get over it, that's all.
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I'm afraid he'd be dead-man walking straight away.
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The umbrella incident was only one game but his dire face and personality were at every game I remember in charge of England. I know a manager should not be judged on personality but it just does not fill me with confidence, I wonder if he could motivate a team who hit a bad patch of form or go 2 down during a game?
Especially if it was raining.
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I think I'd prefer McClaren over Jol. I just have a bad feeling about Jol.
Jol's Dutch accent is better that brollyman's, though.
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It's the kind of appointment that would give everyone a good laugh. Unless you're a Villa fan that is. Hard to imagine a bigger disaster than appointing McClaren.
As for the post above. Call me stupid then. Because he looked an absolute baffoon stood there like a statue with a fucking umbrella while Slaven Billic kicked every ball on the touchline for his team. And they'd already qualified.
Does anyone genuinely want this joke of a man managing Aston Villa?
That umberella incident was one game. But it seems that it's the only thing a lot of people seem interested in... To me it seems bizarre that people can't get over it, that's all.
I could never get over his inability to handle big players or organise teams to win football matches. That's my biggest problem with McClaren. What kind of players is he going to attract? How many of the present squad are going to take one look at him and and think 'Nah, I'm off'? He doesn't command respect from players and doesn't inspire supporter's confidence. I once heard him referred to as 'Sven-Lite'. A good summary IMO.
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Though umbrellas have been featured twice in Villa's history as far as I can recall. Charlie Athersmith held one up when playing in the 19th century and then there was that fan when Atkinson scored his wonder goal.
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My plan is to increase my season tickets from 2 to 3. I will still do that but feel embarrassed. It will confirm to our better players that we have moderate ambition just what the press are saying today.
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Good coach, rubbish manager syndrome.
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It was raining, he used an umbrella.. seems normal.
I saw TV footage of Ancelotti hiding from the rain under a towel the other day and thought how ironic it is that his actions are completely ignored whereas McLaren is hung out to err dry because he had the cheek to use an umbrella whilst it was raining.
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14 wetters have voted in this thread.
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(http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm227/avfcboy93/fuuuuuuumclaren.jpg)
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I would not be happy. I will doubtlessly inform others on here of that matter somewhat forcefully. It would be a substandard and unambitious appointment.
Then I will live with it. He would be Villa manager so I would support him. If I started supporting the Villa because I liked all the players and the manager I'd have stopped long before now.
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unhappy but he would be better than Curbs
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"Queasy" might be the best way of putting it.
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Disappointed, let down, deflated and slightly embarassed. But none of that is down to his coaching ability.
Unfortunately you need to be a good media-man to succeed in this league, and right now he's not got a chance. He needs more time abroad.
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(http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm227/avfcboy93/fuuuuuuumclaren.jpg)
At least Georgie on Sky News is doing her best to soften the blow.
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(http://cvj237.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/unhappy_starbucks_cake-1.jpg)
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I'd be disgusted. Randy wouldn't do that to us, would he? ???
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Just say no! (https://www.facebook.com/home.php?sk=group_225284370833090)
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Its not just the brolly thou , its those false white teeth he has done , as if , he is going into hollywood blockbuster films. Prick
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Its not just the brolly thou , its those false white teeth he has done , as if , he is going into hollywood blockbuster films. Prick
It's the smug puckable head on him that does it for me.
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very ill
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My dad aint well at the moment , he cant stand SM , this news will finish him off.. :-(
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Reading all of these replies there are many reasons Randolph wouldn't be that silly, would he ????
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(http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm227/avfcboy93/fuuuuuuumclaren.jpg)
I hope that's Mr. Lerner on Photoshop again.
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The psychologists say that the worst thing you can say to someone you care about is not that you hate them, don't trust or believe in them but:
"I am disappointed in you".
Randy - I will be.
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I think it would send out the message that Randy has given up any hope of taking this club back to the big time not only to the fans but to the players and that could lead to any number of our better players joining Ash in running for the exits. Despite that as others have said Villa are in my blood and no matter who they put in charge I think I'd still turn up.
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Just say no! (https://www.facebook.com/home.php?sk=group_225284370833090)
Cringe worthy.
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He needs more time abroad.
That gets my vote
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What I really hated was his sucking up to'Stevie Gee' and 'JT'. Please, please no...
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If it's either Hughes or McClaren, parting with my £520 quid will be a painful experience.
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"Queasy" might be the best way of putting it.
'Violated' would be another.
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About the same as I would feel if I dipped a pickaxe handle in a mixture of hot tar, broken glass and rusty nails and then rammed it up my ringpiece.
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If it's either Hughes or McClaren, parting with my £520 quid will be a painful experience.
If its either I will not be parting with my £500+
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Just say no! (https://www.facebook.com/home.php?sk=group_225284370833090)
Cringe worthy.
Why? I don't want him here and I'm yet to meet someone that does. Do you?
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I would not be at all happy but I'd give him and the team my support.
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I would not be at all happy but I'd give him and the team my support.
So would I.
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Just say no! (https://www.facebook.com/home.php?sk=group_225284370833090)
Cringe worthy.
Why? I don't want him here and I'm yet to meet someone that does. Do you?
I can think a few I'd prefer, so did you set that up?
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Just say no! (https://www.facebook.com/home.php?sk=group_225284370833090)
Cringe worthy.
Why? I don't want him here and I'm yet to meet someone that does. Do you?
I can think a few I'd prefer, so did you set that up?
I can think of quite a few more that I'd prefer aswell. Yes, it was me.
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V.good coach rubbish manager - jury is out on him but i'll support the team no matter who is in charge
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We're getting as bad as Newcastle fans.
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By the way, it's McClaren, not McLaren. Also, we wouldn't hire, we'd appoint. I'll amend the thread title.
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We're getting as bad as Newcastle fans.
Are you sitting there bare-chested!?
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I wouldn't be happy at all. He might be the greatest manager we've ever had, but it's another gamble that the club is taking.
He hasn't the profile of O'Neill even though he accomplised nearly as much (excluding championships in Scotland) and has managed England. But there is something about him that worries me. I'd reckon if he is appointed and Downing and Young go, Bent will be gone at Christmas.
We need a manager that will make players want to stay and attract a few reasonable players in, McClaren won't do that. A succesful ex Middlesboro and FC Twente manager are not what we need now. We need someone that galvanise will the club to a focus and that will frighten the shite out of dickhead milionaire players.
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Just say no! (https://www.facebook.com/home.php?sk=group_225284370833090)
Cringe worthy.
Why? I don't want him here and I'm yet to meet someone that does. Do you?
I think it's more the problem that Facebook groups for things like this are probably the most tedious thing on the internet.
It's the lazy version of Robathan rounding up a bunch of thickos with Italian flags and Ancelotti signs and marching off to an otherwise deserted Villa Park.
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We're getting as bad as Newcastle fans.
Are you sitting there bare-chested!?
Yes, eating a live pigeon.
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I'm starting a Facebook group.
VILLA PARK - SATURDAY 11/06/2011 3PM.
PROTEST MARCH AGAINST STEVE MCLAREN BEING LINKED WITH THE JOB.
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I would be disappointed. But at the end of the day we support Aston Villa, and if anything, I'll be rooting for him to prove every one of us wrong.
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I have renewed my season ticket but if Steve mclaren becomes our manager it will be going back.
That will put to an end to my 36 years of loyal support.
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I want what's best for the club. That includes signing the best players we can, avoiding negative publicity and being professional. It includes putting across to the world that we are the greatest club we can be, where ambition is limitless and we're the safest place for players to harness their potential. Sorry, but McClaren doesn't suggest any of that to me.
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I would be disappointed. But at the end of the day we support Aston Villa, and if anything, I'll be rooting for him to prove every one of us wrong.
Sensible.
What are you doing here?
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It would rain locusts from my backside if we end up with Shteeve MacLown. No way could I endure a whole season of piss poor mediocrity and sour resigned expressioned excuses from the brollied wally. I'd rather we signed Afonso Alves than have MacLaren as manager.
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We're getting as bad as Newcastle fans.
Over react much?
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I would be disappointed. But at the end of the day we support Aston Villa, and if anything, I'll be rooting for him to prove every one of us wrong.
I maintain that would be my stance. Still don't want him, though.
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i dont want him,
but i'm starting to warm to the idea after reading the utter shite on this thread
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After all the recent hype..conned would be a word that springs to mind..then the fans have been conned for quite a considerable..but, personally, I am not getting any more used to it!
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i dont want him,
but i'm starting to warm to the idea after reading the utter shite on this thread
Yes, that makes sense.
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Just say no! (https://www.facebook.com/home.php?sk=group_225284370833090)
Cringe worthy.
Why? I don't want him here and I'm yet to meet someone that does. Do you?
Yeah, and a Facebook bed-wetting party is just the way to show everyone.
Tha is "show everyone how sad Villa fans can be".
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Would you be happy with McClaren? Who would you like?
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Would you be happy with McClaren? Who would you like?
Dave Cooper or Schteeve...or maybe them as a couple...sorry i meant team.
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I'd like Ancellotti, but it looks like he's not coming.
After that most of the others mentioned and plausible targets are much of a muchness, including McClaren, I'd rate him above Hughes anyway, and I think he'd leave us in a better position than Benitez who would cost a fortune and probably leave us with a couple of gems and a load of other flotsam once he's done his dealing (a bit like MON really).
I just don't get the angst, and I certainly don't get Facebook protest groups!
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Would you be happy with McClaren?
Thinking that McClaren would be a disappointing choice of manager for us and that Facebook hate groups are an extremely childish thing aren't mutually exclusive ideas.
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"Villa till I die, I'm Villa... oh sorry scrub that, Villa till they pick a manager I don't like, I'm Villa till.."
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I would be disappointed. But at the end of the day we support Aston Villa, and if anything, I'll be rooting for him to prove every one of us wrong.
I maintain that would be my stance. Still don't want him, though.
This really but I could be worse if we actually appointed him!
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I would also have preferred Ancelotti. Next best for me would be Benitez. Hughes gets a big 'Meh!' and McClaren (for me) is a big no-no. It's just a personal opinion, Dave. The FB group merely reflects that. It has no influence in the greater scheme of things, but it sure makes me feel better!
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Can't we just get the players to figure out the tactics themselves? :(
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Would you be happy with McClaren?
Thinking that McClaren would be a disappointing choice of manager for us and that Facebook hate groups are an extremely childish thing aren't mutually exclusive ideas.
It's a 'hate group'? Seriously?
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Would you be happy with McClaren?
Thinking that McClaren would be a disappointing choice of manager for us and that Facebook hate groups are an extremely childish thing aren't mutually exclusive ideas.
It's a 'hate group'? Seriously?
Legion, you are in fact the devil himself.
Shame on you ;)
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I will support my Club of course. Every game. But don't think I will be excited, looking to the future, if we employ an easy choice. Forget Brolly. Moyes, Hughes OK I guess. But IMHO if we can afford it please give us a chance to move on.
We have a great youth set up and a super reserve team. Special youngsters but all appear to want to move on when made.
I want good youth players to want to join us for their future not just ours. Pro's that they are. I want our established players to stay and create a team of promise and winners. Not sell them.
Give us a big name Manager Randy. We are in a good position to move on. Convince them. Convince us. Convince our International players, and future stars that we are worth it.
Give us a Manager of STATUS
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None of us really know the conditions that our new manager will be asked to work under or the criteria that is being used to select the best candidate, only the board know that.
I thought Randy and Paul would be trusted to make the best choice of manager.
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None of us really know the conditions that our new manager will be asked to work under or the criteria that is being used to select the best candidate, only the board know that.
I thought Randy and Paul would be trusted to make the best choice of manager.
Well I would imagine they will because I don't think they'll be swayed by what is posted on here....but just in case....No to Schteeve.
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None of us really know the conditions that our new manager will be asked to work under or the criteria that is being used to select the best candidate, only the board know that.
I thought Randy and Paul would be trusted to make the best choice of manager.
Well I would imagine they will because I don't think they'll be swayed by what is posted on here....but just in case....No to Schteeve.
So it's just people pissing in the wind and making themselves a hostage to fortune?
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Thia apppointment would signal the end of the RL bright future era.
The bloke is a first class prat, he loves himself to the extent that he vainly attempts to cover his baldness. He spent loads at Boro and achieved next to fuck all, he screwed up the England job with as good a squad as we have produced for a generation. Wins a second rate feeder club league and his ego takes him to germany where he falls flat on his face again. There is absoloutely no reason why we should become the laughing stock by hireing this idiot. We will loose our best players and struggle to bring any quality in. It would be a disaster.
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"Villa till I die, I'm Villa... oh sorry scrub that, Villa till they pick a manager I don't like, I'm Villa till.."
Hmmm. I will roar on McCLaren's villa if it comes to that. I'd just rather roar on Ancelotti's villa (and Jol's villa, and Coyle's villa, and Benitez's villa. You get the drift). I don't happen to like Stephen Ireland, does that make me a second rate villa fan?
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He probably wouldn't be disastrous if given a proper chance by everybody but that's never going to happen. With that in mind it would be disastrous from a PR point of view. Things would start badly with no chance of it improving.
I wouldn't be averse to him being assistant manager / head coach or whatever as he's proven to be very good at that but no way should he get the top job, especially when there's better candidates out there.
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It would be bad initially, and then if results were good the mood would improve. The problem would be should we encounter a sticky patch, that it wouldn't take much at all for all of the good will that's been generated to be crushed very quickly. He wouldn't be given a chance.
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Brilliant
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Never liked his style of football much, even discounting he's rather a laughing stock among football fans. As an appointment it would be pretty uninspiring. Frankly if he's got the best managerial track record we can attract, i'd rather we took a chance on someone with potential like Martinez. Still hopeful Randy has better targets in his sights though.
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I remember him on the pitch at Selhurst Park celebrating that goal with Dalian.
Start the season with three straight wins and we'll all be taking umbrellas to game in tribute to our new saviour. "Singing in the Rain" will be the new anthem.
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I never rated him before the brolly and the dodgy Dutch lessons he took. He has a credibility problem that will haunt him. His best route back into this country is a championship club or a bottom six Prem side.
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I would be surprised and more than a little disappointed. That being said, if he does get the job I'll give him my unequivocal support
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It would be very underwhelming.
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I would be surprised and more than a little disappointed. That being said, if he does get the job I'll give him my unequivocal support
Which would be my take on it aswell.
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I don't think people like Curbishley & McClaren deserve to be on this 'interview list' - if there is one. We need to be looking at people with a good reputation in the game, like GH did, which worked in attracting players to the club in Jan. I'd rather have Jol, Moyes or Benitez trying to attract players to the club that McClaren or Curbishley.
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Can you imagine spending £200 million + of your own money and paying Steve Mclaren to run it?
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Why let the facts get in the way of a good debate?He never put on a dodgy Dutch accent, he tried to speak slowly and clearly to a foreign journalist.Winning a title in any league is acheivement-Ajax don't manage it every year for example.He got Boro a league cup and to the final of the UEFA cup, if he'd done this at Villa Park this would have made him the most successful Villa manager since Saunders.The England job is currently being made a hash of by Fabio Capello, who has one of the best club CVs around.Villa legend Graham Taylor also couldn't manager England.Steve Maclaren could do a good job at Villa, but unless he started well the fans would be on his back so intensely he'd probably fail anyway.The guy is no clown.
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That's a fantastic point, Malandro.
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He's a great number 2. Born to the role. Not for us.
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Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering. Suffering leads to me throwing the season ticket at him.
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He's a great number 2. Born to the role. Not for us.
That's it for me. He can suck up to players, play the 'good cop', but I can't see him being top man.
And this club is way too big for him, Boro, Twente and Wofsburg are comparitively small clubs in their own leagues.
It's all to easy to picture him standing in front of the dugouts under a blizzard of season tickets as Norwich go 3-0 up.
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For those who listen to Talk*****, they're talking Villa from 9am.
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I would be totally disappointed, Randy's not a mug so therefore he will not appoint him *fingers crossed emotion*
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A Young want's to leave as does Downing, If they do is Steve the man to get in quality replacements? Will he be able to convince players like Bent & Albrighton that thier future lies here?
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i bet all those posters running around flapping there arms in the air in a blind panic about McClaren coming are the same ones who were convinced we were doomed if we stuck with Houllier in Jan,
you know who you are, 'we are definitley going down if we stick with Houllier' remember, 'lets get Big Sam in NOW before its to late.
we didnt go down, and we aint getting McClaren,
have a bit of faith in Randy,
he's not stupid like some of you, who would be looking forward to a season with Allardyce in charge if you had had your way,
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I don't think it will be McClaren, but if it was then I would feel the same as i do about new manager - I'd get behind them and give them every chance to show what they're made of.
I'd be OK with Schteve, even if he is far from being my personal preference, and I'd try to look at the positive side of it; has he won stuff? Yes. Has he a good reputation as a coach? Yes. Has he taken a previously underperforming club and made them a strong side? Yes. Are his teeth suitably gleaming? Yes.
I know there's a bunch of negative stuff, too, but then that's true of any manager, isn't it?
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'Gutted' is the word.
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McLaren. Won the League Cup, UEFA Cup Final, 7th place finish with Boro.
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I haven't seen any real arguments whyneveryone would be gutted?? Why exactly?His record is decent
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I haven't seen any real arguments whyneveryone would be gutted?? Why exactly?His record is decent
Because Scott Carson had a shocker & he didn't want to get his hair wet.
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Was off the grid yesterday, but heard this morning he was now favourite. Best thing I can say about it is that he's not one of these managers who would be 'doing us a favour' by taking the job - he'll be desperate to prove a LOT of people wrong and be really hungry for the job.
That's not so much the best thing I can say about the idea of him as our manager - it's the ONLY good thing!
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Lerner jets in for McClaren talks??
http://tinyurl.com/6e432zv
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McLaren. Won the League Cup, UEFA Cup Final, 7th place finish with Boro.
Which would have made him a legendary Villa manager.I hope he gets the job now, this backlash against him is ridiculous
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McLaren. Won the League Cup, UEFA Cup Final, 7th place finish with Boro.
Which would have made him a legendary Villa manager.I hope he gets the job now, this backlash against him is ridiculous
But either side of that successful spell he got them 12th, 11th and 14th with good backing from Gibson. And fans didn't like him (season ticket thrown at him while losing at home to Villa IIRC). Still a big no for me.
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McLaren. Won the League Cup, UEFA Cup Final, 7th place finish with Boro.
Which would have made him a legendary Villa manager.I hope he gets the job now, this backlash against him is ridiculous
But either side of that successful spell he got them 12th, 11th and 14th with good backing from Gibson. And fans didn't like him (season ticket thrown at him while losing at home to Villa IIRC). Still a big no for me.
Was that the game where that valiant supporter decided to make a stand against what we was seeing by throwing the season ticket at him on the last game of the season? A very noble gesture.
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Yeah bit of an empty gesture but a gesture nevertheless
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I don't have a season ticket, living abroad, but think I would just give up if the board appoint McClaren. I predicted he would be a huge flop as England manager and I was right. He's about as average and mediocre as it gets and as a statement of intent it's akin to getting out the white flag and saying we'll be happy just to survive in the PL. It will also be a sure sign that the owners, for all their good intentions, don't really know enough about football to bring us success. Decent enough coach but never a manager in a million years.
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I'd have mixed emotions if I am being honest. Totally gutted about his appointment but vindicated in some doubts I have had regarding our ambitions. I know how that sounds but I am being totally honest. I want to be proven wrong with a top class managerial appointment the like of which we have not seen before and a budget of 50-60M to spend to take us on a level, but I just do not see it happening.
The gutted would outweigh the vinication though by some considerable distance.
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Lerner jets in for McClaren talks??
http://tinyurl.com/6e432zv
Thing is they say Lerner jets in for talks then they mention the other candidates like Moyes and Martinez. "Lerner Jetting in for Talks" is probably about as significant as "Ancelotti checks in Birmingham Hotel".
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I didn't like him at Boro, I was very unhappy when he was made England manager. The whole country was on a down with that appointment as it just showed a lack of imagination and inspiration. Same for me now, but worse!
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i bet all those posters running around flapping there arms in the air in a blind panic about McClaren coming are the same ones who were convinced we were doomed if we stuck with Houllier in Jan,
you know who you are, 'we are definitley going down if we stick with Houllier' remember, 'lets get Big Sam in NOW before its to late.
we didnt go down, and we aint getting McClaren,
have a bit of faith in Randy,
he's not stupid like some of you, who would be looking forward to a season with Allardyce in charge if you had had your way,
I like this post.
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It's peculiar that both Big Sam and Schteve have a real stigma attached to their names, yet both have relatively good track records.
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I'd rather have Allardyce than McClaren. I don't think "not going down" is much to get excited about.
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I'd rather have Allardyce than McClaren. I don't think "not going down" is much to get excited about.
Then surely you should prefer McClaren? Which trophies and European finals has Allardyce claimed?
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I have actually voted for not happy at all - as in my heart of hearts I know I will still go and renew my ST , but I cannot stress in strong enough terms just how much I do not want him to be our manager
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I'd rather have Allardyce than McClaren. I don't think "not going down" is much to get excited about.
which is why i'm glad your not in charge,
you were one of the doomongerers, you were so convinced of our impending downfall you put money on us going down,
you lost, you were totaly wrong on that one,
you would have been totaly wrong with Allardyce.
i'm just glad we have Randy and not someone who loses his money backing his wrong judgements
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I would be ok with McClaren.
He could try and get Bryan Ruiz to replace Ash too if he likes!
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I predicted he would be a huge flop as England manager and I was right.
In all fairness, I don't think there is a Manager in the world today that could turn England into a Trophy winning team, the players are really not that commited, they still lag behind other teams in terms of technical abilty and whilst the Premier League and it's £££ looms large, the national team will always be an unsuccessful sideshow.
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On the Facebook thing, personally I think it is more constructive to start a protest group, have a bit of a moan and get it off your chest, then back whoever is appointed than cancel your season ticket after 30 odd years as some have threatened to.
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I'd rather have Allardyce than McClaren. I don't think "not going down" is much to get excited about.
which is why i'm glad your not in charge,
you were one of the doomongerers, you were so convinced of our impending downfall you put money on us going down,
you lost, you were totaly wrong on that one,
you would have been totaly wrong with Allardyce.
i'm just glad we have Randy and not someone who loses his money backing his wrong judgements
But GH wasn't in charge for the final games, we were still flirting with relegation till he got taken ill!
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I'd rather have Allardyce than McClaren. I don't think "not going down" is much to get excited about.
which is why i'm glad your not in charge,
you were one of the doomongerers, you were so convinced of our impending downfall you put money on us going down,
you lost, you were totaly wrong on that one,
you would have been totaly wrong with Allardyce.
i'm just glad we have Randy and not someone who loses his money backing his wrong judgements
But GH wasn't in charge for the final games, we were still flirting with relegation till he got taken ill!
The way the other results went we were actually safe after our victory at West Ham, the last game GH was in charge.
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The more I see it pisses people off and the hysterics of posters on here and Twitter, the more I want McClaren to take over.
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I don't want him to take over, but if he does I'll fully support him of course.
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His odds are drifting very quickly with more money against him this morning. Gone from 6/4 to nearly 3/1 now.
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His odds are drifting very quickly with more money against him this morning. Gone from 6/4 to nearly 3/1 now.
Good...stick another couple of digits in front of that 3 and I'll be happier.
Is making me chuckle that the press, bookies, and pretty much everyone else hasn't a scooby what's going on inside VP. Personally, I like it that way.
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I'd rather have Allardyce than McClaren. I don't think "not going down" is much to get excited about.
which is why i'm glad your not in charge,
you were one of the doomongerers, you were so convinced of our impending downfall you put money on us going down,
you lost, you were totaly wrong on that one,
you would have been totaly wrong with Allardyce.
i'm just glad we have Randy and not someone who loses his money backing his wrong judgements
And you don't think Randy has lost money on bad judgements?! You naive fool, go and grab yourself a set of the accounts, look at the huge losses, and then ask yourself about the wonderful judgement that led to giving the likes of Harewood, Heskey, Shorey and Beye mega money deals.
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As John M says, Schteve would not be a bad appointment on paper (decent enough record, international experience, grasp of the European game, seems to be liked by players). But as we all know the problem would be the bad PR it would create as he is so tainted after his England tenure. It might not be fair on him, but all the same it could potentially do more damage to our already tarnished image. So I think Randy's decisions will say a lot about his ability to read the mind of the fans and the importance of this in his decision making (and/or to make unpopular choices without listening to daft sentiment, if you prefer).
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His odds are drifting very quickly with more money against him this morning. Gone from 6/4 to nearly 3/1 now.
Good...stick another couple of digits in front of that 3 and I'll be happier.
003/1?
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His odds are drifting very quickly with more money against him this morning. Gone from 6/4 to nearly 3/1 now.
Good...stick another couple of digits in front of that 3 and I'll be happier.
003/1?
Yikes! I'd need a Rooney-type hair transplant
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I'd rather have Allardyce than McClaren. I don't think "not going down" is much to get excited about.
which is why i'm glad your not in charge,
you were one of the doomongerers, you were so convinced of our impending downfall you put money on us going down,
you lost, you were totaly wrong on that one,
you would have been totaly wrong with Allardyce.
i'm just glad we have Randy and not someone who loses his money backing his wrong judgements
And you don't think Randy has lost money on bad judgements?! You naive fool, go and grab yourself a set of the accounts, look at the huge losses, and then ask yourself about the wonderful judgement that led to giving the likes of Harewood, Heskey, Shorey and Beye mega money deals.
surely that was a case of backing the manager at the time, something i would expect him to do with the next one,
i agree they were a waste of money, but i would blame MON for that
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Correct. Randy effectively backed MON's judgment on cost vs value, to a fault. You can see why he did, and I hope he does the same with the next bloke, within reason.
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Really hope we dont go for him...my choice would have been jol, but now he's gone to fulham not many others out there
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Really hope we dont go for him...my choice would have been jol, but now he's gone to fulham not many others out there
really? How do you know?
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I'd rather have Allardyce than McClaren. I don't think "not going down" is much to get excited about.
which is why i'm glad your not in charge,
you were one of the doomongerers, you were so convinced of our impending downfall you put money on us going down,
you lost, you were totaly wrong on that one,
you would have been totaly wrong with Allardyce.
i'm just glad we have Randy and not someone who loses his money backing his wrong judgements
And you don't think Randy has lost money on bad judgements?! You naive fool, go and grab yourself a set of the accounts, look at the huge losses, and then ask yourself about the wonderful judgement that led to giving the likes of Harewood, Heskey, Shorey and Beye mega money deals.
surely that was a case of backing the manager at the time, something i would expect him to do with the next one,
i agree they were a waste of money, but i would blame MON for that
Randy's judgement was to back the manager. That judgement involved, amongst other expensive mistakes, giveing players over the age of 30 £40K plus a week on 3 year contracts. Players like Habib Beye. Randy's judgements have been wrong, and expensive, time and time again.
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His odds are drifting very quickly with more money against him this morning. Gone from 6/4 to nearly 3/1 now.
Good...stick another couple of digits in front of that 3 and I'll be happier.
003/1?
Smart Arse...;-)
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Rather him than Steve Staunton (as per the rumour I've heard) is the only positive spin I can think of.
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Rather him than Steve Staunton (as per the rumour I've heard) is the only positive spin I can think of.
Ah, somebody on my FB mentioned a former player but didn't name him. Interesting.
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Lest we forget
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I see Mclaren and I think Graham Turner
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McClaren has (or had) some innovative ideas as coach, first at Derby and then at Man U. I think he was one of, if not the first to use prozone to assess players performances and his stock was high when he got the Boro job in 2001.
You would think on the back of getting Boro to a Euro final and winning a cup, managing his country and having a degree of success aboard it would be even higher. But it isn't.
He was seen as something of a joke figure by players as far back as his Derby days (despite decent work there) according to McGrath. He was largely unpopular throughout his time at Boro, with fans and players. His England stint was mostly woeful. Even if it was somewhat of a poisoned chalice, being the worst England manager for over 20 years takes some doing. He had an infinitely better calibre of player available to him than Graham Taylor had too. Yet he seemed to be more concerned with being one of the lads, referring to 'Lamps' 'Stevie G' and all the other abbreviated muppets as if they were his mates.
This, the OTT England press conferences when he desperately tried to get the media onside, the comedy Dutch/ German accents and all the rest of it paint a picture of a people pleaser, someone always trying to fit in and be liked. Probably a nice enough guy. But weak. And players can see that.
He might still have enough to offer working for a smaller club abroad, or maybe one of the promoted sides if they lose a manager at some stage of the season. Any decent sized club that values it's reputation and doesn't want to be seen as a joke should give him the swerve though.
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How would. i feel.....uninspired and disappointed.
Technically a good coach, but for me not a good manager
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Rather him than Steve Staunton (as per the rumour I've heard) is the only positive spin I can think of.
It really is silly season now. If you are looking for a former player then Simon Grayson possibly springs to mind, but would be a risky appointment and doesnt tick the managed in the PL box.
If the Board does appoint McClaren then I wont like it but will have to put up with him, give him the benefit etc. They would have to realise of course that he will have absolutely no honeymoon period.
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I see Mclaren and I think Graham Turner
I think it would be our worst appointment since Turner. Huge credibility problem with the media, Villa fans and fans in general. I am in the majority of totally against it but would have to put up with it unless your prepared to turn your back on the Villa. He had started to rebuild his reputation in Holland then went back to square one in Germany. He's probably better off staying abroad, he will never get the benefit of the doubt over here.
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Underwhelmed
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Feck... I'd somehow managed to miss his German accent. Ugh.
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Feck... I'd somehow managed to miss his German accent. Ugh.
Not forgetting his Cockney phase:
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So, he's decent with youth - we could hire him to sing to Marc Albrighton and Andreas Wiemann?
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Let down. Wasted opportunity. Statement of non-intent.
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On the Facebook thing, personally I think it is more constructive to start a protest group, have a bit of a moan and get it off your chest, then back whoever is appointed than cancel your season ticket after 30 odd years as some have threatened to.
Which is how it should have been put across. A little apology for last night. A combination of alcohol and boredom which caused a rush of blood to the head with regards to the McClaren group formation and subsequent multiple adding of people. Very sorry indeed.
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On the Facebook thing, personally I think it is more constructive to start a protest group, have a bit of a moan and get it off your chest, then back whoever is appointed than cancel your season ticket after 30 odd years as some have threatened to.
Which is how it should have been put across. A little apology for last night. A combination of alcohol and boredom which caused a rush of blood to the head with regards to the McClaren group formation and subsequent multiple adding of people. Very sorry indeed.
Well I asked to join so no worries.
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Like I had lost my million pound lotto ticket ..
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Legion - I have said this time and time again, and your stance I am now finding disrespectful. I cannot see why you just cannot get this fact. So I am going to have to spell this out to you (apologies to everyeone for the long post coming up)
In this economic climate there is more that I need to spend my money on than Aston Villa.
I am 40 - I have had a season ticket since I was 12 ! - now to put that another way, my first game as a season ticket holder was Didier Six's debut !. I then left school and got a job and at that stage Aston Villa was my be all and end all. I travelled to every away game. Spending my entire budget on the Villa.
Prices went up, but I still went.
Then kids came. And away games had to be knocked on the head. I couldn't justify spending £100 going to Blackburn when my wife earnt £55 a week maternity pay.
Then as a loyal fan, I introduced my kids to Villa - and started to take them. Then I bought them a ST to share, then they both wanted one. At the time, kids ST's were £60 so I bought two.
But my ST started to rise and rise - and the kids rose and rose and rose. It will now cost me £900 to buy the three tickets this year.
I have lots I have to spend money on. I had to stop my sons drums lessons (£20 a week) and my daughters guitar lessons (£20 a week) last year to pay for the tickets - a fact they understood as I have good kids, but I didnt like doing it.
We then had the season we had, and I still believed in the dream - coz I believed the stuff the general came out with about O'Neill and thought "Keep the faith " we were told "Randy wants the best - we will get there" - and I believed (in fact, I believe them).
It was then my daughters birthday and instead of inviting all her friends to a party - she wanted to go to an away game - so Man City in the cup it was - and the Villa DESTROYED my daughters birthday. She is 12 - even she can take losing, but she knows when she has been taken for a mug - and she was !.
But I STILL thought the club cared - and believed it when the General said The board knew how the fans felt.
So here we are - up to date.
I have £900 in my bank awaiting the clubs decision. If we get someone who shows the club "still want to get there" I will still back them and will pay it, knowing, even if it goes wrong (as it can, look at Scholari at Chelsea) at least they tried to give the fans what we crave.
IF IT IS MCLAREN - IT WILL SHOW THE CLUB HAVE NOT ONLY TOOK THE PEE OUT OF THE FANS NOW, THEY HAVE DONE FOR THE PAST FEW YEARS SPINNING THESE LINES
and THAT is why I will not renew my ST - do you know why - because instead of spending £900 - I will make a stand - which is the only way things will change (not just Vila but football) - and I will instead take my kids to our other passion. The Monaco Grand Prix , and the Valencia Grand Prix with the money.
However,saying all that - I am pretty sure this will never happen, because I trust what the owners have said to us - they want the bext for Villa - and therefore I trust them that the only McLaren they are considering is a company car for the new manager !
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How on earth can you consider my stance to be disrespectful? The fact that I support Aston Villa and will give our new manager my full backing, even if it is McClaren who I do not want? I'm so sorry I do not agree with your point of view.
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Very passionate and admirable post Holtepaul
EDIT - Whilst not disagreeing with Legion in any way either. Both make very valid points and can understand both views.
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Legion - it is the attitude you portray (and have basically said to the General) that fans who won't renew "cant be fans as fans support the club through thick and thin, and I (meaning you) are an Aston Villa fan and will back the club whoever they appoint"
Well sorry, I have backed the club through mistake (Turner) through mistake (McNeill) through mistake (Venglos) through mistake (OLeary) as well as other things. But even though these were mistakes I could see on every occasion why Ellis did what he did (and I bloody hate Ellis !)
Turner - up and coming manager , out to prove he would take his chance (read Martinez now !)
McNeill - worked wonders at his old club, a passionate football man (read Houllier)
Venglos - went wrong but I think now, in hindsight, he was 5 yrs too early
O'Leary - young manager, already been successful at a club who demanded success (read Beniitez)
But McLaren - sorry, I can not see ANY reason, and I mean NONE to support him even being considered as manager. And if he has, the reason that it is will not be for the best of the Villa. So as they say in Dragons den "I'm out".
And (this is why I find it disrespectful) when I feel this - all I get is the "you are not as good a fan as me" response.
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Legion - it is the attitude you portray (and have basically said to the General) that fans who won't renew "cant be fans as fans support the club through thick and thin, and I (meaning you) are an Aston Villa fan and will back the club whoever they appoint"
Well sorry, I have backed the club through mistake (Turner) through mistake (McNeill) through mistake (Venglos) through mistake (OLeary) as well as other things. But even though these were mistakes I could see on every occasion why Ellis did what he did (and I bloody hate Ellis !)
Turner - up and coming manager , out to prove he would take his chance (read Martinez now !)
McNeill - worked wonders at his old club, a passionate football man (read Houllier)
Venglos - went wrong but I think now, in hindsight, he was 5 yrs too early
O'Leary - young manager, already been successful at a club who demanded success (read Beniitez)
But McLaren - sorry, I can not see ANY reason, and I mean NONE to support him even being considered as manager. And if he has, the reason that it is will not be for the best of the Villa. So as they say in Dragons den "I'm out".
And (this is why I find it disrespectful) when I feel this - all I get is the "you are not as good a fan as me" response.
Please find somewhere where I've ever said that. Utter rubbish.
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Don't let the door hit you on your way out Paul. I mean, McLaren would be a long way from my first choice of manager, but he took a team like Boro to a European final, as well as getting them to 7th and winning a cup. He's a bit of a comedy figure I realise, but that doesn't mean he's a bad manager. Certainly not bad enough to turn your back on the club over.
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Legion - it is the attitude you portray (and have basically said to the General) that fans who won't renew "cant be fans as fans support the club through thick and thin, and I (meaning you) are an Aston Villa fan and will back the club whoever they appoint"
Well sorry, I have backed the club through mistake (Turner) through mistake (McNeill) through mistake (Venglos) through mistake (OLeary) as well as other things. But even though these were mistakes I could see on every occasion why Ellis did what he did (and I bloody hate Ellis !)
Turner - up and coming manager , out to prove he would take his chance (read Martinez now !)
McNeill - worked wonders at his old club, a passionate football man (read Houllier)
Venglos - went wrong but I think now, in hindsight, he was 5 yrs too early
O'Leary - young manager, already been successful at a club who demanded success (read Beniitez)
But McLaren - sorry, I can not see ANY reason, and I mean NONE to support him even being considered as manager. And if he has, the reason that it is will not be for the best of the Villa. So as they say in Dragons den "I'm out".
And (this is why I find it disrespectful) when I feel this - all I get is the "you are not as good a fan as me" response.
you better let us have your address mate,
just incase they do appoint McClaren and we can send someone round on suicide watch
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Legion - it is the attitude you portray (and have basically said to the General) that fans who won't renew "cant be fans as fans support the club through thick and thin, and I (meaning you) are an Aston Villa fan and will back the club whoever they appoint"
Well sorry, I have backed the club through mistake (Turner) through mistake (McNeill) through mistake (Venglos) through mistake (OLeary) as well as other things. But even though these were mistakes I could see on every occasion why Ellis did what he did (and I bloody hate Ellis !)
Turner - up and coming manager , out to prove he would take his chance (read Martinez now !)
McNeill - worked wonders at his old club, a passionate football man (read Houllier)
Venglos - went wrong but I think now, in hindsight, he was 5 yrs too early
O'Leary - young manager, already been successful at a club who demanded success (read Beniitez)
But McLaren - sorry, I can not see ANY reason, and I mean NONE to support him even being considered as manager. And if he has, the reason that it is will not be for the best of the Villa. So as they say in Dragons den "I'm out".
And (this is why I find it disrespectful) when I feel this - all I get is the "you are not as good a fan as me" response.
And so you proceed to give a ''You are not as good a fan as me" response yourself.
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Don't let the door hit you on your way out Paul. I mean, McLaren would be a long way from my first choice of manager, but he took a team like Boro to a European final, as well as getting them to 7th and winning a cup. He's a bit of a comedy figure I realise, but that doesn't mean he's a bad manager. Certainly not bad enough to turn your back on the club over.
and I can always remember that Boro fan throwing his season ticket at him ...
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Don't let the door hit you on your way out Paul. I mean, McLaren would be a long way from my first choice of manager, but he took a team like Boro to a European final, as well as getting them to 7th and winning a cup. He's a bit of a comedy figure I realise, but that doesn't mean he's a bad manager. Certainly not bad enough to turn your back on the club over.
Errrrrrrrrrrrrrr = and how did he do it - read McLarens boro - read man City !!!
George Boateng - I want to win trophies (or shall I go to a club paying the highest wages ?)
Southgate - I want to play for a club with ambition (or shall I go to a club who pays the highest wages ?)
Ugo - ditto (or shall I go to a club who pays highest wages ?)
Jimmy Floyd Hasslebank - er- ditto
Mark Viduka - er - ditto
HE BLOODY SPENT A FORTUNE, BANKRUPTING THE CLUB
And his record - great that was, just read Wiki
Played 250 win 97 draw 60 lost 93 - win percentage 38.8%
I mean, I know this is only wikipedia so is open to debate but just read the last paragraph - does this sound like someone RL wants
McClaren was accused by rival managers as having a "pot of gold" provided by Gibson to buy players, giving him an advantage over other teams when signing players.[34] Despite this, towards the latter end of his tenure McClaren was criticised by supporters of using negative tactics and earning Middlesbrough the tag of a "dull" side.[27][35] Some observers attributed Middlesbrough's success to the senior, experienced players in the side rather than McClaren's managerial ability.[27]
Sorry - no way in this world would I back that appointment - and I dont feel guilty about it. In fact, if people want to waste money in this day in age just to show "what a great fan I am" then bloody more fool them
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Legion - it is the attitude you portray (and have basically said to the General) that fans who won't renew "cant be fans as fans support the club through thick and thin, and I (meaning you) are an Aston Villa fan and will back the club whoever they appoint"
Well sorry, I have backed the club through mistake (Turner) through mistake (McNeill) through mistake (Venglos) through mistake (OLeary) as well as other things. But even though these were mistakes I could see on every occasion why Ellis did what he did (and I bloody hate Ellis !)
Turner - up and coming manager , out to prove he would take his chance (read Martinez now !)
McNeill - worked wonders at his old club, a passionate football man (read Houllier)
Venglos - went wrong but I think now, in hindsight, he was 5 yrs too early
O'Leary - young manager, already been successful at a club who demanded success (read Beniitez)
But McLaren - sorry, I can not see ANY reason, and I mean NONE to support him even being considered as manager. And if he has, the reason that it is will not be for the best of the Villa. So as they say in Dragons den "I'm out".
And (this is why I find it disrespectful) when I feel this - all I get is the "you are not as good a fan as me" response.
Please find somewhere where I've ever said that. Utter rubbish.
How about this bit - page 12 generals thread - response to my post, which without going over it again says what I say above
"Sorry to interject here, but as much as I do not want McClaren to be appointed I would never do that. I support Aston Villa, no matter what."
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I want to spend my money to watch Aston Villa. Nothing more, nothing less.
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Legion - it is the attitude you portray (and have basically said to the General) that fans who won't renew "cant be fans as fans support the club through thick and thin, and I (meaning you) are an Aston Villa fan and will back the club whoever they appoint"
Well sorry, I have backed the club through mistake (Turner) through mistake (McNeill) through mistake (Venglos) through mistake (OLeary) as well as other things. But even though these were mistakes I could see on every occasion why Ellis did what he did (and I bloody hate Ellis !)
Turner - up and coming manager , out to prove he would take his chance (read Martinez now !)
McNeill - worked wonders at his old club, a passionate football man (read Houllier)
Venglos - went wrong but I think now, in hindsight, he was 5 yrs too early
O'Leary - young manager, already been successful at a club who demanded success (read Beniitez)
But McLaren - sorry, I can not see ANY reason, and I mean NONE to support him even being considered as manager. And if he has, the reason that it is will not be for the best of the Villa. So as they say in Dragons den "I'm out".
And (this is why I find it disrespectful) when I feel this - all I get is the "you are not as good a fan as me" response.
Please find somewhere where I've ever said that. Utter rubbish.
How about this bit - page 12 generals thread - response to my post, which without going over it again says what I say above
"Sorry to interject here, but as much as I do not want McClaren to be appointed I would never do that. I support Aston Villa, no matter what."
I don't want McClaren but I wouldn't give up my Season Ticket because of it. It's my money, my choice. Just as it is yours. It does not imply any 'greater fan' issue.
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I can't be arsed to check the figures but i'm fairly certain Bryan Robson was given a pot of gold which eventually lead to relegation and Terry sodding Venables being called in to help out. McClaren on the other hand oversaw the very succesful youth set up, won Boro their first ever trophy, got them into a European final and helped turn Downing and Johnson into the International footballers they are now. When he left they were in a lot stronger position than when he took over.
They were then relegated under the next manager.
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No - you just called me a liar
I posted and you replied "I would never do that"
Now THAT meant what I read - followed by "I support Aston Villa no matter what" - implyin dont.
And the last few posts are just showing I HAVE backed the Villa no matter what.
I bloody love this club - so much so that do you know what I called my son.............................McGrath !!!!!
But I - even I - a guy who when people think of me say "Oh he's the Villa fan"
Even I will have had enough if we appoint McLaren.
And sorry Legion, I don't feel guilty about it in the slightest.
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I've called you a liar? Where?
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I hesitate to get involved in all this "if we appoint X, then I'm off" because I don't go to very many games at all. But I'm not sure that some people realise how privileged they are to be able to go to Villa Park. I'd give my right arm (no, make that my left) to a) live within reasonable distance, and b) be able to afford it. And if I did, I certainly wouldn't be giving it up because the board appointed a manager I wasn't keen on. There are a lot of us on H&V who don't get to many games and to hear some of those who do saying they won't go if a certain manager is appointed is really galling. Each to their own and all that but come on.
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I have renewed my season ticket for next season and have said that it will go back if that clown becomes our next manager. From my point of view that is a huge sacrifice I a wheelchair user and if I give me place up I may never get it back. There is a waiting list for disabled places.
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I'm with you there Hilts. I had a season many moons ago when I had an injury so couldn't play myself, no mrs, no kids and plenty of money to use so I spent most Saturdays travelling up the M5 to see Villa. It was great, even though Villa started terrible. It was Collymore's first season.
I wouldn't want McClaren here but I wouldn't give up on the Villa, you would have to give him a chance. I would feel a right tit if he I was proved wrong and he turned out to be a great manager.
If he does becomes our manager I hope I have totally mis-judged him and I would be so glad I looked a fool in not wanting him.
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I hesitate to get involved in all this "if we appoint X, then I'm off" because I don't go to very many games at all. But I'm not sure that some people realise how privileged they are to be able to go to Villa Park. I'd give my right arm (no, make that my left) to a) live within reasonable distance, and b) be able to afford it. And if I did, I certainly wouldn't be giving it up because the board appointed a manager I wasn't keen on. There are a lot of us on H&V who don't get to many games and to hear some of those who do saying they won't go if a certain manager is appointed is really galling. Each to their own and all that but come on.
i always felt like you until today. i sat here and counted my pennys out and decided i can afford a st for me and wifey, i sat trying to decied ok holte upper or north lower decided on k5 holte upper and went all the way to the confirmation screen, i just couldnt click proceed, to part with my 900 quid (wifeys only 19) without knowing what to expect. i will reasses after the managerial situation is solved incase the worse happens and we appoint curbishly lol. i'll still go up regardless but certainly not to enough games to justify the season ticket purchace, i went to 10 games between league cup and ill fated europa league matches in 09/10 in 10/11 that dropped to 5 partly due to another ill-fated europa league match then uncertaintys i had over gh. i just want stabillity and entertainment and a promise no more weakened teams at home in europe by having a manager who would belive we can win it
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HoltePaul, if McClaren is named manager and you don't want to re-new on the back of that, then that's fine, it's your choice and your money. We really don't need to read how many managers you've sat through and what you've named your son to enable you to justify your decision.
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Christ, if we can't have Hughes then it must be Moyes (well, Moyes would have been a first choice, but I didn't think he'd be available).
Not Steve Maclaren though, please. Nor Rafa. Jol might have been OK but that's water under the bridge now.
We need a manager that is going to build over a few years. There's a lot of work to do.
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There was a very good debate on Villa with Danny Kelly on TS. He and his guest Harry Harris reckoned we are nailed on for Hughes and they talked up McClaren as a superb coach and than mentioned the fact that during Croatia game his biggest error was not the brolly but that he didn't do anything to close out the game at 2-2 despite having a fully fit Hargreaves sitting on the bench.
So not a superb coach than!
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There was a very good debate on Villa with Danny Kelly on TS. He and his guest Harry Harris reckoned we are nailed on for Hughes and they talked up McClaren as a superb coach and than mentioned the fact that during Croatia game his biggest error was not the brolly but that he didn't do anything to close out the game at 2-2 despite having a fully fit Hargreaves sitting on the bench.
So not a superb coach than!
if there was a like button i'd have clicked it lol. thats the media all over contradiction after contradiction. he does not have what it takes to be top 4 and thats where we have to aim. hughes might have but it remains to be seen, i feel we have to go for a manager who has achieved top 4 in the prem or someone who is consistanly close i.e top 7 or 8.
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There was a very good debate on Villa with Danny Kelly on TS. He and his guest Harry Harris reckoned we are nailed on for Hughes and they talked up McClaren as a superb coach and than mentioned the fact that during Croatia game his biggest error was not the brolly but that he didn't do anything to close out the game at 2-2 despite having a fully fit Hargreaves sitting on the bench.
So not a superb coach than!
He also sat motionless next to Sven as we surrendered to Brazil in the WC QF.
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I would be happy if we appointed McClaren.
Maybe I would rather have Ancelotti in order to keep my star players.
Maybe I would prefer Benitez or Hughes to play some defence and hard tackling football.
But there are four reasons I would be happy with McClaren.
- He did an outstanding job at Boro. We all know it, we all saw it. A league cup title and a Uefa Cup final. No manager could have done better with the squad he had. And that is exactly what Villa want, some silverware to get the moral and confidence up.
- If anyone believed what he achieved at Boro was by luck. He proved eveybody wrong. He took a no name Dutch team and he went and won the domestic championship. He actually built the team that won that championship. And we are talking about a league that every year for the last half century the title goes to Ajax, PSV or Feyenoord.
- He failed as the England manager. Actually his fail was epic. And know it is time for him to come back to Britain and restore his reputation. It will be tough. But he is very motivated and will be well prepared and careful. He knows the league, he knows what it takes. Lerner can give him the budget he wants. Its perfect for him. His ambition and Villa's ambition are hand to hand. And he is coming back more experienced and with a lot of knowledge and connections with European players.
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oh dear Tommy Boy are you related to Shtevie?
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no, i am form Greece actually. Just pointing out the positives
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RL is not stupid, after the PR disasters that GH made last season he is not going to make such a divisive appointment. Mclaren is one of the most unpopular mangers in England, he is a laughing stock, they need to sell season tickets and attract top players Mclaren wont help this.
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and THAT is why I will not renew my ST - do you know why - because instead of spending £900 - I will make a stand - which is the only way things will change (not just Vila but football) - and I will instead take my kids to our other passion. The Monaco Grand Prix , and the Valencia Grand Prix with the money.
Just fucking do it, for Christ's sake, and stop telling us about it every ten shitting minutes.
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4 peole to The Monaco and Valencia Grand Prix for £900, thats a pretty tight budget unless you are hitch hiking and camping.
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In answer to the thread title. Initial feeling of being pissed off would very quickly replaced by a complete volte-face and a let's see what he does attitude, whilst reserving the right to be critical if necessary.
It's probably something to do with my bolshy gene, even if I empathise with certain opinions, once people tell me I must agree with them, the temptation to deliberately disagree is sometimes too great to resist - I like to encourage debate...............
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If McClaren was appointed I would lead a protest march to Sherlock Street!
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I don't get how people are saying his time at Middlesbrough was a success.
Yes he won the league cup beating Bolton in the final. The only other team they met in the top half of the table (arguably) were Arsenals kids in the semi over 2 legs. The league however doesnt lie, 5 years spending an absolute fortune and only 1 top 10 finish to show for it, the backing was huge so I'd consider it a bit of a let down.
Hows that success? especially when you look at the strength of the squad he had. We finished 9th and felt it was a dissapointing season, he only managed a top10 finish once!
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The disappointing thing for me is that we are even discussing the posibility he could become manager. I still thing his name has been banded about because any other appointment will be greeted with a combined sigh of relief.
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Irrespective of his merits as a manager I do find it incredible that 21% of respondents claim they will give up their season tickets or not go if he is appointed. Really??
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I hesitate to get involved in all this "if we appoint X, then I'm off" because I don't go to very many games at all. But I'm not sure that some people realise how privileged they are to be able to go to Villa Park. I'd give my right arm (no, make that my left) to a) live within reasonable distance, and b) be able to afford it. And if I did, I certainly wouldn't be giving it up because the board appointed a manager I wasn't keen on. There are a lot of us on H&V who don't get to many games and to hear some of those who do saying they won't go if a certain manager is appointed is really galling. Each to their own and all that but come on.
I know we haven't always agreed on everything in the past, but you've nailed my feelings perfectly with that post hilts. The club has given me untold pleasure over the years, as well as royally pissing me off and breaking my heart on more than a few occasions. It's like a drug, that I should give up, but it don't half feel good in my veins. It gives us all an outlet from the everyday bollocks we all have to deal with. I'm certainly not about to give it up based on a managerial appointment. I hope it isn't McClaren only because I'm convinced there are better options available. But if it happens, I'll get behind him and pray he proves us all wrong and does the business.
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I'd feel a huge sense of anti-climax,disappointment,anger,despondancy etc,etc if we get McClaren but at the end of the day its Aston Villa,I'll keep going & keep everything crossed that he's a success!!!
Aaaargh time for my medication!!
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I am now in the mode that ANY manager that is not him and to show you how much that is affecting me I would even have Rafa over Mclaren
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Mclaren may have been a convenient sop in that regard. A case of it could have been him so the fans will now be happy wth anyone
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Here's another perspective (maybe not; I haven't read the rest of the postings!): imagine that SM is appointed and he does well for us - he brings in the right players, removes the duds, sets us up and wins games. We make the top 4; we win some silverware; we play attractive football.
How much more satisfying would that be than bringing in someone with a massive reputation who does okay-ish ....
Another point: how many of the 21% qho claim they'd pack up the ST are planning to do so anyway?!
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If the wally with the brolly is appointed i will feel my club have no ambition at all.
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We have short memories. We all went to Boro away when fans were chucking their season tickets at him - less than a year later he was England manager.
I am very, very indifferent towards this. We should be more ambitious. It is the easy option.
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There are a number of managers that I would genuinely hate to see at Villa, and McLaren is not one of those, so I'd put up with it and hope it turned out OK.
Carlton Palmer is probably available.
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McClaren is a fraud in my opinion. It annoys me that people believe it was the England job that damaged his credibility as a manager, which is not true IMO.
At Boro he spent a lot of money on players and delivered very little in return for his total spend. His league results and final league positioning indicated he was not very successful at the helm.
McClaren's youth development is a myth. I can only think of two individuals who have come through that can be considered as successful.
I pray to McGrath that Randy will not appoint this man.
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His odds have gone from 3.2 to 12.5 on Betfair in the last 10 minutes. Combined with lay bets of 980 I think we can confidently rule the Wolly out now ;)
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If the wally with the brolly is appointed i will feel my club have no ambition at all.
I think this has all snowballed since Sir Graham Taylor gave an interview to Sky earlier this week where he was simply sticking up for a fellow manager who had been chewed up and spat out by the England management system. I think there is a less than zero chance of Villa appointing McClaren.
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Not so sure the chances are less than zero at this stage. I would say not very high but he is still a possibility especially if other targets are getting jittery due to players leaving us
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If players are leaving us it means more money for the new manager to spend and a wider scope to bring in his own players.
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I would, ow you say, er feel, for sure, like, a little er disappointed. hurdy gurdy burdy
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Gutted!
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Radio 5 reporting that Lerner will NOT appoint Mclaren.
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Radio 5 reporting that Lerner will NOT appoint Mclaren.
...with them quoting 'unrest from the fans' were we to do so.
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MM mentioned Bent style meltdown. Initially, I took it to mean something positive. Then being a miserable Brummie got the better of me and now that McClaren's seemingly being rules, I'm thinking it's one of Bryan Robson, Peter Reid, Joe Royle or Gary Megson.
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MM mentioned Bent style meltdown. Initially, I took it to mean something positive. Then being a miserable Brummie got the better of me and now that McClaren's seemingly being rules, I'm thinking it's one of Bryan Robson, Peter Reid, Joe Royle or Gary Megson.
All of whom are preferable to Mclaren!
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Radio 5 reporting that Lerner will NOT appoint Mclaren.
...with them quoting 'unrest from the fans' were we to do so.
Good work Legion.
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Villa fan forums 1 McClaren 0
but I am really sorry his interview tomorrow has been cancelled...honestly
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I would like to thank each and every one of you! Well, nearly.
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I wonder whether The Sun and all that drama about Brollies has much to do with how we view McClaren over here - he has a decent reputation on the continent.
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Let him stay on the continent, then.
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Let him stay on the continent, then.
What I'm saying is he is a proven manager, whereas I would say Martinez had not reached the same levels. And being a proven manager is clearly important to The Board, as well as those on here (Laursen is unproven, etc.)
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like killing a cat
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But the problem is his image, which will be dredged up to suit every angle the press want to create. It'd be like shooting fish in a barrel. Far, far too much baggage.
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MM mentioned Bent style meltdown. Initially, I took it to mean something positive. Then being a miserable Brummie got the better of me and now that McClaren's seemingly being rules, I'm thinking it's one of Bryan Robson, Peter Reid, Joe Royle or Gary Megson.
How dare you mention them names and the great name of Aston Villa. Shame on you TV. God help us.
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MM mentioned Bent style meltdown. Initially, I took it to mean something positive. Then being a miserable Brummie got the better of me and now that McClaren's seemingly being rules, I'm thinking it's one of Bryan Robson, Peter Reid, Joe Royle or Gary Megson.
How dare you mention them names and the great name of Aston Villa. Shame on you TV. God help us.
I think I'm going into meltdown myself Ian.
Speaking of which, I have got a football match at 7pm here. It's 42 Celsius outside right now, and expected to be around 40 at kick off. I might never find out who the new gaffer is.
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MM mentioned Bent style meltdown. Initially, I took it to mean something positive. Then being a miserable Brummie got the better of me and now that McClaren's seemingly being rules, I'm thinking it's one of Bryan Robson, Peter Reid, Joe Royle or Gary Megson.
How dare you mention them names and the great name of Aston Villa. Shame on you TV. God help us.
I think I'm going into meltdown myself Ian.
Speaking of which, I have got a football match at 7pm here. It's 42 Celsius outside right now, and expected to be around 40 at kick off. I might never find out who the new gaffer is.
The way this is going I wouldn't be surprised to see John Blackwell's name mentioned in the Sky Sports Ticker Bar.
Enjoy the game tonight TV and the heat and you just never know, something may happen....or not?
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Sick, suicidal and drop a bottle of scotch to soothe the pain.
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Okay, given the way things are now going, can we re-title this "How would you feel if we appointed Steve McClaren or someone *worse* ?" and re-run the poll ?
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Looks like he is now in talks with Vitesse Arnhem (http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2885/europe/2011/06/09/2524608/steve-mcclaren-in-talks-to-become-new-manager-of-vitesse) in Netherlands about taking over there.
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Looks like he is now in talks with Vitesse Arnhem (http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2885/europe/2011/06/09/2524608/steve-mcclaren-in-talks-to-become-new-manager-of-vitesse) in Netherlands about taking over there.
Thanks God for that.
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Looks like he is now in talks with Vitesse Arnhem (http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2885/europe/2011/06/09/2524608/steve-mcclaren-in-talks-to-become-new-manager-of-vitesse) in Netherlands about taking over there.
Thanks God for that.
His agent was on SSN about half an hour ago saying he had 3 offers, two in northern Europe and one in the South of the continent, but he would prefer a gig in back in the Prem.
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I will never forget the 4-0 hammering we gave them and the season ticket thrower.Comedy Gold! ;D
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I will never forget the 4-0 hammering we gave them and the season ticket thrower.Comedy Gold! ;D
I always remember Kevin Phillips pissing himself laughing at Cattermole who had been reduced to tears.
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Forgetting the Villa stuff now, as it is 100% clear he isnt coming here, McLaren has to accept he will never manage in top flight England again. Look at Taylor, he never ever got over it, he went to Wolves and it was a none starter from the start.
The saving grace for SGT was that there were two clubs that thought (think) he was a hero - and the only two jobs he got after this was back at those clubs.
McLaren hasnt got a club that hold him in that regard - he is finished in England, and the sooner he realises it, the better it will be for him.
I bet he ends up in Thailand - taking Robsons job.
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Haven't you fucked off to Valencia yet?
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No - Tuesday 21st June , but thanks for asking ! staying for one week and taking in the Grand Prix - cost £210
I'll send you a postcard !
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£210 for 1 week in Valencia and a ticket for the Grand Prix?
Chinny rec-on
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Er = dont you feel silly.
It is when you own an apartment there, have got ryanair flights from Bham for 28 quid return and the tickets for 160 euro.
the rest is on car hire
Oh - take that mister !!
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No I don't feel silly.
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No I don't feel silly.
Ok no worries- but tell you what -
I feel smug ! :)
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Congratulations.
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I am from Greece, so maybe that's why I don't understand why McClaren is so unpopular among English fans.
I mean he had huge success with Middlesbrough and Twente.
Yes he screwed up with England, but I can't remember one manager in the past that had success with England. I think it's all about the pressure the media put on the England boss. No England team played good football as far as I'm concerned.
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Ask me again in a week's time... can we have a new poll then!
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If the board are paying attention to these threads can I point out that a lack of Premier League experience shouldn't rule a manager out of the job
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If the board are paying attention to these threads can I point out that a lack of Premier League experience shouldn't rule a manager out of the job
Ooooh you're bold!
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The way things have gone this week - I would be both disappointed and relieved!!
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i would feel embarrassed
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I mean he had huge success with Middlesbrough and Twente.
. That isn't important to many on this forum, it's far more important to focus on being one of a long line of England failures, and talking in a slow, clear way to a foreign journalist which apparently is a Dutch accent
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I mean he had huge success with Middlesbrough and Twente.
. That isn't important to many on this forum, it's far more important to focus on being one of a long line of England failures, and talking in a slow, clear way to a foreign journalist which apparently is a Dutch accent
No, it was a terrible Dutch accent. MacLaren's a Yorkshireman and sounds absolutely nothing like that normally. That's why he has the piss ripped out of him over here - probably just as much for the brolly incident.
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No, it was a terrible Dutch accent. MacLaren's a Yorkshireman and sounds absolutely nothing like that normally. That's why he has the piss ripped out of him over here - probably just as much
It really wasn't. If you speak to people who are non native speakers of English, you have to speak slowly and clearly-that is what he did. It also sounds nothing like a Dutch accent - I hear both nearly every working day. This doesn't make such a good story though, Graham Taylor wasn't actually a Turnip either. It's just great fun to knock the guy-he is a good manager. Boro in the UEFA cup final?? I wish I could have seen Villa get there.
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It was a comedy Dutch accent.
It probably sounds nothing like an authentic Amsterdam brogue with all it's subtle nuances, true. That's why it's a comedy Dutch accent. In the same way that Rene out of Allo Allo doesn't really sound like a French native.
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It was a comedy Dutch accent.
It probably sounds nothing like an authentic Amsterdam brogue with all it's subtle nuances, true. That's why it's a comedy Dutch accent. In the same way that Rene out of Allo Allo doesn't really sound like a French native.
Precisely, and he's a moron for even attempting it. There's nothing wrong with modulating your voice to make it easier to understand, but that was completely mental.
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I have lived in Holland.
It was a terrible attempt at a comedy Dutch accent.
Cringe-worthy in the extreme.
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I have lived in Holland.
It was a terrible attempt at a comedy Dutch accent.
Cringe-worthy in the extreme.
Agree to differ then-I've watched it again and still think it's an easy way to have a dig at him.Why would anyone imitate an accent-especially a comedy one? Was the interviewer even Dutch? There's no benefit that I can see, but anyway he's still more likely to be the next Villa manager than David Moyes in my view.
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To be perfectly honest I would be gutted if we did appoint him. Saying that the are in charge and we have to trust their judgement and whoever takes the job needs the support from everyone, fans, playesr, backroom etc.
You never know (what do we know ;) ) they might just turn out to be damn good?
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I'm not sure I'd want him but he learned his trade from the best manager this country has seen and followed it up by taking a small club to silverwear and the UEFA cup final.
He then won the league in another country with an unfashionable team.
It's a good record that was blighted by the England job, ring any bells?
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when i heard, i didn't want him but then again i was a numpty that wanted MON to leave so be careful what you wish for, ok his brolly and his double dutch have been mistakes, but thats nothing new for us what about our last three managers all have screwed up sometime, and if he turns out useless we can always turn on learner
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On the back of the General's recent comments i can see it being McClaren. Putting aside the image thing, i don't think he would be a bad manager, just not one of my first choices. Possibly the club's philosophy too.
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As I posted yesterday on the Who Should Be...? thread, I've actually come round to thinking that if you look past the prejudice engendered by his time as England manager (and the Dutch accent thing is part of the hangover from that), you actually have a very strong candidate who in many ways would be a good fit.
I think we can do far worse - and that isn't meant to be damning him with faint praise.
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No, it was a terrible Dutch accent. MacLaren's a Yorkshireman and sounds absolutely nothing like that normally. That's why he has the piss ripped out of him over here - probably just as much
It really wasn't. If you speak to people who are non native speakers of English, you have to speak slowly and clearly-that is what he did. It also sounds nothing like a Dutch accent - I hear both nearly every working day. This doesn't make such a good story though, Graham Taylor wasn't actually a Turnip either. It's just great fun to knock the guy-he is a good manager. Boro in the UEFA cup final?? I wish I could have seen Villa get there.
The Dutch journalist he was speaking to spoke perfect English though. He wasn't just speaking slowly, he was saying stuff like, "it is, how do you say, "important""! Watch it again.
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The fact is that if Steve Mclaren started doing a reasonable job the jibes would fade. If we got as high as say, MON got us in February 2009 and 2010 then the talk would be "would Villa choke again" but Mclaren would by now be taken seriously as perhaps the guy who could take Villa that extra mile that MON could not.
I think the problem is we're tired of supporting the side that signs Marlon Harewood, Emile Heskey et al. We don't want another episode of this with Mclaren.
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The Dutch journalist he was speaking to spoke perfect English though. He wasn't just speaking slowly, he was saying stuff like, "it is, how do you say, "important""! Watch it again.
I did-I still think it's the effect of talking to people who aren't native speakers.I had three months in Thailand once, I came back a bit the same-didn't last long.
He has a lot of baggage from being in the England job. I have a feeling he'd do a decent job at Villa, but a bit like Houllier he'd never be a popular appointment. The Wolfsburg period casts the biggest doubt for me, but I seem to remember he tried to change the whole style of play and it didn't go down well (also sounds familiar).
The Generals comments give me the impression that he is at least a serious contender.
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It's a shame, but McClaren is, unfortunately, a bit of a laughing stock. Strangely, though, the events (imagined or otherwise) of this week may well have done him a favour. Given the apparent outrage amongst the press people that us mean old Villa fans mocked him, he may well find that they go easier on him in that regard.
From a fans point of view, the trouble is that as soon as we hit a bad patch the same old 'wally' comments would no doubt come back from a portion of the support.
Personally, I'd be reasonably happy if he took over. I couldn't really give a shit if he did a comedy accent or whatever, if he does a good job for us and gets us winning then he can talk like Kermit the Frog and have an umbrella up each sleeve which both open each time we score a goal for all I care.
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An Arsenal fan I work with made a very good point about employing McLaren - he reckons Villa fans are simply scared that they will have a wave of micky-taking from rivals they cannot respond to until he achieves something.
The majority of comments here are about the accent and umbrella thing - his footballing record seems secondary to the argument so maybe the Gooner has something?
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i agree, the plonkers last week on talksport had a go at Villa fans for not wanting him, then started to take the piss out of him for his antics !!!!!!!!!!!!
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If you exclude the England episode, his record is reasonable. He's a good coach & will come with a point to prove. He would need to get off to a good start otherwise the pressure from the press & fans would be on.
His attempt at a ridiculous Dutch accent or his brolly episode obviously have no bearing on whether or not he's a good manager. I would hope that those at VP pulling the strings would only judge him on his record and any possible interview and not on the media's perception. If not then we have the wrong people pulling the strings.
Would put him way ahead of McLeish, Coyle et al... I have thought since May that McClaren would end up as our manager.
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An Arsenal fan I work with made a very good point about employing McLaren - he reckons Villa fans are simply scared that they will have a wave of micky-taking from rivals they cannot respond to until he achieves something.
The majority of comments here are about the accent and umbrella thing - his footballing record seems secondary to the argument so maybe the Gooner has something?
I would say he probably does.
McClarens managerial record, then, is very hit and miss. The triumph in Holland shouldn't be overlooked, and neither should the League Cup and Uefa Final - in fact I would say they're quite impressive, really. I don't know much about the Wolfsburg situation beyond the general perception that he made a tart of it, but perhaps wasn't afforded much time there. That's a chunk of experience for a manager there, which you would hope has served to make him wiser.
Then there is Middlesborough's league performance. I don't recall it being overly impressive at all, and of course we can all recall the season ticket being hurled at him. They were always a passing team under him, I think, and he did have some good players, albeit at a considerable cost.
It's a mixed bag, but there is enough there to make him worth considering (assuming he is against the likes of Hughes, Moyes, Martinez etc).
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I've just been outside and there are lots of grown men walking round under umbrellas. That's not to say I want him though.
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If England had done well then the umbrella would have been a fashion symbol just like Mourinho's coat.
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An Arsenal fan I work with made a very good point about employing McLaren - he reckons Villa fans are simply scared that they will have a wave of micky-taking from rivals they cannot respond to until he achieves something.
The majority of comments here are about the accent and umbrella thing - his footballing record seems secondary to the argument so maybe the Gooner has something?
Theres a lot in this I feel and I think that he is just an easy target before he even potentially starts to manage the Villa.
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Whatever his record - he is still and experienced manager and coach. If he is keen to prove himself again in the Premiership and learn from the mistakes he has made in the past, then he might be worth a try. There does not seem to be a long queue offering their services.
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I might be alone, but were I ever in the situation where I was wearing an expensive suit and it was pissing down with rain, I too would put up an umbrella.
It can only be the money-is-no-object world of top professional football that not wanting to ruin hundreds of pounds worth of Armani tailoring is considered worthy of derision.
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An Arsenal fan I work with made a very good point about employing McLaren - he reckons Villa fans are simply scared that they will have a wave of micky-taking from rivals they cannot respond to until he achieves something.
The majority of comments here are about the accent and umbrella thing - his footballing record seems secondary to the argument so maybe the Gooner has something?
Theres a lot in this I feel and I think that he is just an easy target before he even potentially starts to manage the Villa.
That's partly the problem though, McLaren has such a poor reputation in this country, rightly or wrongly, that he isn't the strong, uniting figure we probably need right now. There are going to be a sizeable minority of fans who are against him from day one so he'd really need to hit the ground running to get people off his back. This doesn't do anyone any good, it just ratchets up the pressure. Think of previous appointments, BFR, MON, Sir Brian, even DOL to an extent, broadly popular (at the time of getting the job) which means they were given the benefit of the doubt for longer than Houllier, for example. I think McLaren would be given even shorter shrift than Gerard if things don't go well immediately.
Of course whether owners should take this into consideration and make more informed decisions looking at a longer term view than emotional fans is another matter entirely.
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I think Achilles makes a good point. I don't want SM because I don't feel he has the right credentials for the job. There are loads of comments and threads on H&V today about the raw deal we are currently getting from the media re the managers job. Lots of people are saying that we should ignore the biased coverage and they're probably right. So that makes the press right about SM but wrong about us does it. I don't reckon we can have it both ways folks.
PS:- I'm just about to take the dog for a walk now where's that brolly..................
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No more need to be concerned.
He's going to Forest.
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I wonder what all the forum-dwellers who reportedly put RL off hiring McClaren think now McLeish is very short odds for the job?
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How would I feel if we got McLaren ? A damn sight better then if we got McLeish.
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How would I feel if we got McLaren ? A damn sight better then if we got McLeish.
My thoughts exactly!
He's looking more appealing by the day!
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I wonder what all the forum-dwellers who reportedly put RL off hiring McClaren think now McLeish is very short odds for the job?
That is being utterly ridiculous, NOBODY could be that stupid!
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I wonder what all the forum-dwellers who reportedly put RL off hiring McClaren think now McLeish is very short odds for the job?
That is being utterly ridiculous, NOBODY could be that stupid.
Time will tell.
If I'm not being utterly ridiculous I'll expect lines from you - 100 "Somebody CAN be that stupid", should suffice ;)
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I wonder what all the forum-dwellers who reportedly put RL off hiring McClaren think now McLeish is very short odds for the job?
That is being utterly ridiculous, NOBODY could be that stupid.
Time will tell.
If I'm not being utterly ridiculous I'll expect lines from you - 100 "Somebody CAN be that stupid", should suffice ;)
If and if that happens I will send your request onto the general! :'(
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Billy Hill's online now saying 1/5 on for McLeish.
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... and has now lengthened to variously 1/2 on and 4/9 on.
Christ knows what going on. I'll be renewing the ST tomorrow regardless though.
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Right now, absolutely fucking delighted.
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Ecstatic! Stevie Macs, Claret and Blue Army!
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Sign him up!
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welcome steve what a great manager if fact i will even have dave o'dreary back now !!!!!!!
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Yep, I'm for Steve.
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who would his assistant be if he got the job
Taylor had Harrison, BFR Gray, Little had Gregory and MON had Robertson
our better managers had a decent assistant
I'd rather have McLaren than Benitez, Martinez or anyone else ending in eish
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Come on down all is forgiven
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if we want him we will have to hurry as he is gonna be talking to forest soon
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He is now the new Forest manager.
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He is now the new Forest manager.
Thats about his level now!
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Right now I would be hugely, hugely relieved.
If McLeish is appointed, then I shall hold holtepaul personally responsible for the consequences.
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Bring back Billy McNeill.
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I thought he was great in the Magnificent Seven, and Bullit he was good in that too!
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over the moon now...any one but ECK
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I hope we don't look back at this as an opportunity missed.
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In answer to the original threat title question. 'Absolutely over the fucking moon.'